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recxjake
08-23-2008, 08:50 PM
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Ultra Peanut
08-23-2008, 09:06 PM
GOLLY, THAT BASELESS TALKING POINT HASN'T BEEN USED BEFORE

Infidel Goat
08-23-2008, 09:16 PM
Somehow I think people won't care about that when they remember that McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time...

Ultra Peanut
08-23-2008, 09:24 PM
Baseless? How do you figure?Oh, I dunno. The fact that the National Journal itself (http://www.nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2004/0830nj_liberalratings.htm) was calling bullshit on the Republicans' use of their rankings in 2004 may be part of it, though.

If the past several months are any guide, more than a handful of convention speakers will mount the stage at Madison Square Garden this week and label John Kerry the most liberal member of the United States Senate.

Some will go on to say that Kerry's running mate, John Edwards, is the fourth-most-liberal senator, and they will describe the Kerry-Edwards ticket as the most liberal presidential ticket of all time.

As for their source, the speakers will cite one publication: the (take your pick) nonpartisan, nonideological, or authoritative National Journal -- the weekly magazine that is producing the newspaper you're reading now.

President Bush has cited National Journal's ranking of Kerry. So have Vice President Cheney and his wife, Lynne. Newt Gingrich mentions us all the time. So does Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie. We've even been discussed on Comedy Central's Daily Show With Jon Stewart.

In short, our magazine -- or, more precisely, our annual congressional vote ratings edition -- has become a Republican talking point in the 2004 presidential campaign. And that's been a fascinating, and disconcerting, experience. Fascinating because we're more used to being cited in congressional hearings than on the Today show. Disconcerting because the shorthand used to describe our ratings of Kerry and Edwards is sometimes misleading -- or just plain wrong.

And yes, they are a dream come true.

bango
08-23-2008, 09:36 PM
Is anyone going to name who the second most liberal person in the Senate was?

Frankie
08-23-2008, 09:45 PM
4 years ago John Kerry was the most liberal. Now it's Obama. Amazingly somehow the Dem's nominee is always the "Most Liberal." :hmmm:

HolmeZz
08-23-2008, 09:47 PM
Is this really the route you want to go down? Voting record? Because it's not going to be pretty for John McCain, who's voted with Bush about 98% of the time over the past two years.

mlyonsd
08-24-2008, 11:21 AM
I think Biden was a great pick. I've always liked him and wish he had won the primary.

VAChief
08-24-2008, 11:34 AM
Jake Umbridge?

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Direckshun
08-24-2008, 11:36 AM
Yeah this is a vacuous talking point. It worked pretty well for them in 2004, though.

patteeu
08-24-2008, 03:36 PM
Vacuous? I don't agree. These ratings aren't determinative, but they are indicative. Some people don't want liberals running the country.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 03:39 PM
Is this anything like Madden rankings?

If so how does BO's dumbass rating compare to George McCain?

patteeu
08-24-2008, 03:51 PM
Is this anything like Madden rankings?

If so how does BO's dumbass rating compare to George McCain?

It's in line with George McGovern, if that helps.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 03:54 PM
It's in line with George McGovern, if that helps.

which should be a 1/4 of Bush's

NewChief
08-24-2008, 03:57 PM
How can Obama even have a score? According to GOP talking point, he's never even voted on anything that matters.