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banyon
08-24-2008, 02:01 PM
I was just watching CNN and they said that during the DNC, even though traditionally the opposing party's candidate will rest, McCain will be out all week campaigning and "getting out his message".


I just thought to myself, what is that?

Programmer
08-24-2008, 02:04 PM
I was just watching CNN and they said that during the DNC, even though traditionally the opposing party's candidate will rest, McCain will be out al week campaigning and "getting out his message".


I just thought to myself, what is that?

Your comment is totally without merit. You hammer those here that don't like Obama by saying nice little things like "did you even watch the video"?

You obviously haven't listened to what McCains stand is on anything. What is his message? How about listening to the man talk instead of allowing your hatred of all things conservative lead the way?

HolmeZz
08-24-2008, 02:05 PM
I was just watching CNN and they said that during the DNC, even though traditionally the opposing party's candidate will rest, McCain will be out al week campaigning and "getting out his message".


I just thought to myself, what is that?

That Obama is the anti-christ.

banyon
08-24-2008, 02:08 PM
Your comment is totally without merit. You hammer those here that don't like Obama by saying nice little things like "did you even watch the video"?

You obviously haven't listened to what McCains stand is on anything. What is his message? How about listening to the man talk instead of allowing your hatred of all things conservative lead the way?

I guess you can't answer the question then. It should be pretty simple.

irishjayhawk
08-24-2008, 02:17 PM
I guess you can't answer the question then. It should be pretty simple.

Your comment is totally without merit.


Come to think of it, I think we should have a "Talk like Tom" day or thread. It would be fun to do all the projecting, dressing up of language, and the other quirks that give us so much entertainment.

VAChief
08-24-2008, 02:19 PM
It is a simple message really.

Four more years!

DaKCMan AP
08-24-2008, 02:19 PM
McCain's message: FOUR MORE YEARS!

DaKCMan AP
08-24-2008, 02:19 PM
It is a simple message really.

Four more years!

just beat me to it :p

banyon
08-24-2008, 02:20 PM
Your comment is totally without merit.


Come to think of it, I think we should have a "Talk like Tom" day or thread. It would be fun to do all the projecting, dressing up of language, and the other quirks that give us so much entertainment.

Sadly, it wasn't even a "comment". It was a question.

DaKCMan AP
08-24-2008, 02:21 PM
Sadly, it wasn't even a "comment". It was a question.

YOUR QUESTION WAS WITHOUT MERIT DON'T YOU GET IT!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?>LJFLJFOIWJEF)J@)JRF)@UJROJF


I CAN NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTION WHICH I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER BY DECLARING THAT IT HAS NO MERT! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE<hjf)hj></hjf)hj>

ROYC75
08-24-2008, 02:24 PM
I guess you can't answer the question then. It should be pretty simple.


Come on, you are smarter than this, turning a blind eye and a deaf ear gets you nowhere.

MCCain's plan is out there , has been for a long time, in turns it's a quicker course of action for the immediate relief than the Obama plan. Obama does go deeper into things with more social programs for helping the poor and the lazy Americans that will take advantage of it.

Obama wants ALL Americans to make sacrifices, wait for the new energy plan to become operational. Meaning, the poor and middle class will suffer longer. His tax breaks and credits will not compensate the continual rising cost of living expenses.

If you do not bring the cost of oil down soon, Americans are going to become in worst shape than they are now.

McCains is more simple, a quicker solution , NOW, but like Obama's, the future is something we just don't know about. Both are relying on exploring new ideas to ease Americas dependency on oil is a priority. We are currently using biofuels, wind, solar, etc.

DaKCMan AP
08-24-2008, 02:26 PM
Come on, you are smarter than this, turning a blind eye and a deaf ear gets you nowhere.

MCCain's plan is out there , has been for a long time, in turns it's a quicker course of action for the immediate relief than the Obama plan. Obama does go deeper into things with more social programs for helping the poor and the lazy Americans that will take advantage of it.

Obama wants ALL Americans to make sacrifices, wait for the new energy plan to become operational. Meaning, the poor and middle class will suffer longer. His tax breaks and credits will not compensate the continual rising cost of living expenses.

If you do not bring the cost of oil down soon, Americans are going to become in worst shape than they are now.

McCains is more simple, a quicker solution , NOW, but like Obama's, the future is something we just don't know about. Both are relying on exploring new ideas to ease Americas dependency on oil is a priority. We are currently using biofuels, wind, solar, etc.

I suppose you're dumb enough to believe that drivel.

banyon
08-24-2008, 02:27 PM
Come on, you are smarter than this, turning a blind eye and a deaf ear gets you nowhere.

MCCain's plan is out there , has been for a long time, in turns it's a quicker course of action for the immediate relief than the Obama plan. Obama does go deeper into things with more social programs for helping the poor and the lazy Americans that will take advantage of it.

Obama wants ALL Americans to make sacrifices, wait for the new energy plan to become operational. Meaning, the poor and middle class will suffer longer. His tax breaks and credits will not compensate the continual rising cost of living expenses.

If you do not bring the cost of oil down soon, Americans are going to become in worst shape than they are now.

McCains is more simple, a quicker solution , NOW, but like Obama's, the future is something we just don't know about. Both are relying on exploring new ideas to ease Americas dependency on oil is a priority. We are currently using biofuels, wind, solar, etc.

So it's pretty much "Tear down Obama" + reversed position on offshore drilling?

Is that it?

I'm not playing Donger here, it just occurred to me that most campaigns are about a message and a narrative and I had difficulty trying to succinctly and coherently summarize what McCain's candidacy is about. You had trouble too without bringing up what's wrong with Obama three times.

banyon
08-24-2008, 02:30 PM
A google search turns up a similar article.

Where's McCain's message?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/zito/s_580699.html

By Salena Zito
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, August 3, 2008

An old political adage says, "He who sets the debate wins the election."
If the presidential election was held tomorrow, it would be hello President Barack Obama because, so far, John McCain is handing him a victory.

McCain is better than the campaign he has run so far. Most people admit that McCain is an inspirational figure -- even Obama has admitted that -- so why isn't McCain telling voters where he wants to lead them?

Instead, his campaign is all about his opponent.

"He himself is reinforcing that this campaign is all about Obama," says Democrat strategist Mark Siegel. "His ads and his message are all negatives. The problem with that is, it is driving his own negatives up as well."
GOP strategist David Carney disagrees; he says the McCain campaign has no choice but to do what it can to bring down Obama by constantly introducing him to voters through his flaws. "There is no positive that will help McCain," he insists.

Obama's critics say there is no substance behind his rhetoric -- but McCain's critics and supporters alike are wondering where is the rhetoric and the substance?

They know McCain is bigger than the campaign he is running, and wonder why he is acting so small.

Siegel points to Bob Dole's campaign against Bill Clinton in 1996, when "the message that Dole was running on against Clinton was, 'Where is the outrage?'

"Dole had nothing positive to say," he adds. "He came across as a snarling, angry old man and, frankly, McCain is looking snarlier, angrier and older than Dole."

McCain is very smart; his political instincts generally are very good when he is confident and on firm ground. But they are terrible when he feels things are out of control and when he loses faith in himself or the people around him.

Today's close opinion polls have everything to do with Obama. He has not pulled ahead of McCain because he still is an unknown, he's black -- and pollsters have not expanded their universes to include the baseline of the new black and youth voters.

Another reason the polling should offer little comfort to Republicans is that the numbers mirror 1980's closeness between Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan.

That race was not about Carter in the same way this race is not about McCain. Reagan's biggest hurdle was passing the commander-in-chief test; while remaining tied with Carter, Reagan went the entire summer and into the fall passing threshold after threshold. By the end of October, it all broke Reagan's way.

This race has that same feel to it for Obama.

Most of the game of a presidential election is mental; it is, literally, all inside a campaign's head. To remain competitive, the McCain campaign should set the agenda, stop reacting to what Obama does -- and let McCain be the bigger guy.

Hard as this is to implement, the McCain campaign should ignore the polls and allow a McCain narrative, with his kind of message, to run its course. Traditionally, campaigns that are ahead in the polls can't help but be smug. Once McCain actually has a message that is about him, it will force Obama to react to it and to McCain's core values.

What the McCainiacs should stop doing is using their man as a prop in a supermarket, as if he is somebody's grandfather in a suit and tie shopping for groceries. That is not who John McCain is to Americans.

And McCain just looks plain uncomfortable attacking Obama day in and day out. Isn't that what a surrogate should be doing?

For his own good, he should stop talking about Obama. It's like the first rule of Fight Club: Never talk about Fight Club.

As Democrat Siegel says, all that accomplishes is to trivialize the campaign.

McCain must get back to talking about reforming Washington and how that applies to average Americans and how he will lead the way.

McCain Reform can trump Obama Change. In fact, reform means change with stability attached to it, and stability is the one thing that can undercut change.

The choice right now is change with a guy who is running through the forest followed by bluebirds and unicorns -- and with a grumpy old man shouting at him.

Sort of like a Grimm's fairy tale on steroids

irishjayhawk
08-24-2008, 02:30 PM
Come on, you are smarter than this, turning a blind eye and a deaf ear gets you nowhere.

MCCain's plan is out there , has been for a long time, in turns it's a quicker course of action for the immediate relief than the Obama plan. Obama does go deeper into things with more social programs for helping the poor and the lazy Americans that will take advantage of it.

I'm so glad you can state it.

So far I gather his plan is out there and it's better for the American people and it'll be quicker results and Obama will let the lazy Americans exploit it.

By the numbers:
2 abstracts (out there, long time)
1 100% concecture (quicker course of action for immediate relief)
1 plus for Obama
1 minus for Obama

No where do I see McCain's message.

Obama wants ALL Americans to make sacrifices, wait for the new energy plan to become operational. Meaning, the poor and middle class will suffer longer. His tax breaks and credits will not compensate the continual rising cost of living expenses.

McCain's message, yet I keep hearing about Obama. Coincidence?


If you do not bring the cost of oil down soon, Americans are going to become in worst shape than they are now.

Way to state the obvious, Roy! It's too bad that McCain's energy policy contains the most flipfloppity of any of his policies.


McCains is more simple, a quicker solution , NOW, but like Obama's, the future is something we just don't know about. Both are relying on exploring new ideas to ease Americas dependency on oil is a priority. We are currently using biofuels, wind, solar, etc.

By the numbers:
2 abstracts (simple, quicker)
1 captain obvious (future is something we just don't know about)
1 joint agreement (both agree American dependency on oil is a priority)
1 fact (we are currently using biofuels etc.)


Man, it's hard to miss how Obama has a lack of substance and McCain (or Roy, or both) don't.

WilliamTheIrish
08-24-2008, 02:32 PM
What is McCain's message

It goes something like this: I lived in a cage for 5 1/2 years. But don't ask me about interfering with S&L regulators on behalf of Charles Keating because I didn't have an atm at the Hanoi Hilton so it was impossible for me to interfere while I was in the cage for 5 1/2 years".

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 02:32 PM
The RNC's message is the same as memy's: NOBAMA:

http://www.rnc.org/

Look at that page. There is no mention of McCain whatsoever. The entire page is devoted to bashing Obama. It is pretty much identical to what you see from the hardcore GOPers on chiefsplanet. They aren't interested in their own candidate. They know the only path to victory is destroying their opponent.

irishjayhawk
08-24-2008, 02:33 PM
The RNC's message is the same as memy's: NOBAMA:

http://www.rnc.org/

Look at that page. There is no mention of McCain whatsoever. The entire page is devoted to bashing Obama. It is pretty much identical to what you see from the hardcore GOPers on this page. They aren't interested in their own candidate. They know the only path to victory is destroying their opponent.

Wow! :eek:
ROFL

tiptap
08-24-2008, 03:06 PM
There can't be coordination between the RNC and maverdick's campaign. So it makes sense to have the RNC be the attack dog and let maverdick talk from a Honoi prison.

patteeu
08-24-2008, 03:23 PM
I don't know if he's got a one-word slogan that sums up his entire platform without ambiguity like "HOPE" or "CHANGE", but McCain's message is one of restrained spending, low taxes, a strong defense that Americans can be proud of, and the status quo on social issues. He's also emphasizing a more broadbased approach to America's energy challenges than his opponent which includes nuclear, renewable alternatives, and expanded oil and gas exploration.

Maybe his one word slogan ought to be "BETTER".

DaKCMan AP
08-24-2008, 03:25 PM
I don't know if he's got a one-word slogan that sums up his entire platform without ambiguity like "HOPE" or "CHANGE", but McCain's message is one of restrained spending, low taxes, a strong defense that Americans can be proud of, and the status quo on social issues. He's also emphasizing a more broadbased approach to America's energy challenges than his opponent which includes nuclear, renewable alternatives, and expanded oil and gas exploration.

Maybe his one word slogan ought to be "BETTER".

A more fitting one word slogan would be "SAME".

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 03:26 PM
I guess you can't answer the question then. It should be pretty simple.

Lower taxes, lower gas prices, win the war, drill now, pro life and it's not above his pay grade to say it, is that enough.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 03:27 PM
I don't know if he's got a one-word slogan that sums up his entire platform without ambiguity like "HOPE" or "CHANGE", but McCain's message is one of restrained spending, low taxes, a strong defense that Americans can be proud of, and the status quo on social issues. He's also emphasizing a more broadbased approach to America's energy challenges than his opponent which includes nuclear, renewable alternatives, and expanded oil and gas exploration.

Maybe his one word slogan ought to be "BETTER".

Word from the McCain camp is that the slogan being unveiled at the Republican Convention is "A POW You Can Believe In."

DaKCMan AP
08-24-2008, 03:29 PM
Lower taxes (for mega-corporations and the rich), lower gas prices (not during his term), win the war (stay the course, set timetable, we're doing great, we're getting out, make up your damn mind you senile goon), drill now (produce later), pro life (flippity-flop) and it's not above his pay grade to say it, is that enough.

FYP

banyon
08-24-2008, 03:31 PM
I don't know if he's got a one-word slogan that sums up his entire platform without ambiguity like "HOPE" or "CHANGE", but McCain's message is one of restrained spending, low taxes, a strong defense that Americans can be proud of, and the status quo on social issues. He's also emphasizing a more broadbased approach to America's energy challenges than his opponent which includes nuclear, renewable alternatives, and expanded oil and gas exploration.

Maybe his one word slogan ought to be "BETTER".

I think "Four more years" was already posted. ;)

He's also got a one-phrase slogan right there on his website "Country First", which isn't vague or ambiguous at all on what goals he has for our country. :shake:

irishjayhawk
08-24-2008, 03:36 PM
So, Roy, what's McCain's message? I was hoping to get a clear picture.

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 03:37 PM
Word from the McCain camp is that the slogan being unveiled at the Republican Convention is "A POW You Can Believe In."

That's better than "A Muslim That Wont Admit It"

irishjayhawk
08-24-2008, 03:38 PM
That's better than "A Muslim That Wont Admit It"

Oh, you're one of those people.

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 03:39 PM
Oh, you're one of those people.
:thumb:

DeezNutz
08-24-2008, 03:40 PM
Pro-Cancer and Aids? At least, thanks to the Planet, that's what I've learned that Republicans support...

In all seriousness and fairness, however, I don't know McCain's campaign slogan. Everyone beside the mall zombies knows Obama's, and this is saying something...

Still, given a declining economy and unpopular war, it's not surprising that the party currently in power is spending more time and effort chiding the other side.

This SHOULD be an election that is almost impossible for a Republican to win...

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 03:42 PM
That's better than "A Muslim That Wont Admit It"

Did you know that the name Barack is just a variation of the Hebrew name Baruch? Could Obama be a secret, radical, black, Muslim, communist, Christian, socialist, Jew? Fox News, in association with chain e-mails forwarded to you by your crazy grandma, has the verdict, fair and balanced. After commercial.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 03:42 PM
:thumb:


why don't you sit on that thumb?

hehe

:D

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 03:42 PM
That's better than "A Muslim That Wont Admit It"

Obama isn't even his real last name.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 03:43 PM
Pro-Cancer and Aids? At least, thanks to the Planet, that's what I've learned that Republicans support...

In all seriousness and fairness, however, I don't know McCain's campaign slogan. Everyone beside the mall zombies knows Obama's, and this is saying something...

Still, given a declining economy and unpopular war, it's not surprising that the party currently in power is spending more time and effort chiding the other side.

This SHOULD be an election that is almost impossible for a Republican to win...

The Republicans are extremely good at convincing people that elections are just verdicts on their opponents, and that their candidate might as well not even exist. Go to www.rnc.org and see how they are handling this election.

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 03:44 PM
Did you know that the name Barack is just a variation of the Hebrew name Baruch? Could Obama be a secret, radical, black, Muslim, communist, Christian, socialist, Jew? Fox News, in association with chain e-mails forwarded to you by your crazy grandma, has the verdict, fair and balanced. After commercial.

Notice how Biden said that he was raised by a single mom with no mention of his father at all, wonder why.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 03:44 PM
Barry Dunham: Welfare trash.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 03:45 PM
Barry Dunham: Welfare trash.

shiteater: our forum's representative from the powerful shortbus voting block.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 03:46 PM
Notice how Biden said that he was raised by a single mom with no mention of his father at all, wonder why.


Seriously?

He might just be the only boy raised by his momma, EVER.

youre on to something

You must be a beat reporter for the National Enquirer

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 03:47 PM
shiteater: our forum's representative from the powerful shortbus voting block.

Our? No, this isn't "our" forum, butt bacon. This is my forum. You are just the help.

:thumb:

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 03:48 PM
Our? No, this isn't "our" forum, butt bacon. This is my forum. You are just the help.

:thumb:


butt bacon and shitsprayer in the same sentence

u r a homo

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 03:49 PM
Our? No, this isn't "our" forum, butt bacon. This is my forum. You are just the help.

:thumb:

fail

DeezNutz
08-24-2008, 03:50 PM
The Republicans are extremely good at convincing people that elections are just verdicts on their opponents, and that their candidate might as well not even exist. Go to www.rnc.org and see how they are handling this election.

I don't deny that there's truth to this in this particular election season, and, yes, the front page of the RNC is great support for this claim.

Where you're wrong is when you say, "This is what Republicans do..." More accurately, "This is what politicians do..." Especially those operating from a position of weakness.

The Dems are not immune from such practices. No Kool-Aid drinking.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 03:52 PM
butt bacon and shitsprayer in the same sentence

u r a homo


Are you a homophobe? That's not very patient and tolerant of your lilly white liberal ass.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 03:52 PM
fail


Wishing it doesn't make it so, Butt Bacon. Get your ass in the kitchen, boy.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 03:53 PM
I don't deny that there's truth to this in this particular election season, and, yes, the front page of the RNC is great support for this claim.

Where you're wrong is when you say, "This is what Republicans do..." More accurately, "This is what politicians do..." Especially those operating from a position of weakness.

The Dems are not immune from such practices. No Kool-Aid drinking.

It would have been more accurate to say that in recent history this is what Republicans have done. I do think the Republicans have much more likely to do this then Democrats ever since Nixon.

banyon
08-24-2008, 03:53 PM
Man, SHTSPRAYER has been spraying McCain's message all over the place in this thread.

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 03:53 PM
Did you know that the name Barack is just a variation of the Hebrew name Baruch? Could Obama be a secret, radical, black, Muslim, communist, Christian, socialist, Jew? Fox News, in association with chain e-mails forwarded to you by your crazy grandma, has the verdict, fair and balanced. After commercial.


Did you know this,


Many months ago, readers began asking me whether Barack Obama is Muslim. Since he identifies as a Christian, I said, "no," and responded that he was not raised by his Kenyan father.
But, then, I decided to look further into Obama's background. His full name--as by now you have probably heard--is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Hussein is a Muslim name, which comes from the name of Ali's son--Hussein Ibn Ali. And Obama is named after his late Kenyan father, the late Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., apparently a Muslim.
And while Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 03:54 PM
Wishing it doesn't make it so, Butt Bacon. Get your ass in the kitchen, boy.

Strike two.

banyon
08-24-2008, 03:54 PM
It would have been more accurate to say that in recent history this is what Republicans have done. I do think the Republicans have much more likely to do this then Democrats ever since Nixon.

Yep. Where's the Democratic Willie Horton Ad or Swiftboat Campaign?

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 03:55 PM
Man, SHTSPRAYER has been spraying McCain's message all over the place in this thread.


ROFL:thumb:

NewChief
08-24-2008, 03:55 PM
Did you know this,


Many months ago, readers began asking me whether Barack Obama is Muslim. Since he identifies as a Christian, I said, "no," and responded that he was not raised by his Kenyan father.
But, then, I decided to look further into Obama's background. His full name--as by now you have probably heard--is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Hussein is a Muslim name, which comes from the name of Ali's son--Hussein Ibn Ali. And Obama is named after his late Kenyan father, the late Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., apparently a Muslim.
And while Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html

Great! Once we have someone they see as a muslim as president, maybe they'll stop seeing us as the great satan.

DeezNutz
08-24-2008, 03:56 PM
Yep. Where's the Democratic Willie Horton Ad or Swiftboat Campaign?

Perhaps MoveOn.org and the Huffington Post eliminate the need for more focused efforts?

Dems: "We're the nice guys."

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 03:58 PM
Did you know this,


Many months ago, readers began asking me whether Barack Obama is Muslim. Since he identifies as a Christian, I said, "no," and responded that he was not raised by his Kenyan father.
But, then, I decided to look further into Obama's background. His full name--as by now you have probably heard--is Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. Hussein is a Muslim name, which comes from the name of Ali's son--Hussein Ibn Ali. And Obama is named after his late Kenyan father, the late Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., apparently a Muslim.
And while Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/12/barack_hussein.html

There was a thread on here about this. My response is who cares if they think he's a muslim

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 03:58 PM
There was a thread on here about this. My response is who cares if they think he's a muslim

You should care.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 03:58 PM
Boy, the moonbats are really frothing at the mouth in here. I think they are starting to realize it's all over for B.O. and... and... I forget his name already.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 03:59 PM
Oh yeah, Joe Biden.

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 03:59 PM
Boy, the moonbats are really frothing at the mouth in here. I think they are starting to realize it's all over for B.O. and... and... I forget his name already.

Bin Biden.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 03:59 PM
There was a thread on here about this. My response is who cares if they think he's a muslim

Seriously. Fundies having crazy beliefs should not have a large impact on our elections. Unless you really want to conform to the demands of fundamentalist Islam.

patteeu
08-24-2008, 04:00 PM
The Republicans are extremely good at convincing people that elections are just verdicts on their opponents, and that their candidate might as well not even exist. Go to www.rnc.org and see how they are handling this election.

Holy cow, what an ironic complaint. As opposed to the innovative approach of the Obama campaign who are trying to convince people that this election is a verdict on the guy who is leaving office no matter what and at the same time trying to convince people that his actual opponent is a clone of that guy.

NewChief
08-24-2008, 04:01 PM
Holy cow, what an ironic complaint. As opposed to the innovative approach of the Obama campaign who are trying to convince people that this election is a verdict on the guy who is leaving office no matter what and at the same time trying to convince people that his actual opponent is a clone of that guy.

Not an exact clone. He's only 95% identical. Get it straight.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:01 PM
You should care.

why should I care about the deranged opinion of a deranged people

I think my exwife should still give my a blowjob

Neither her or her current husband agree.

Same thing, keep fishing.

Furthermore, I don't hate all Muslims. Just the ones who want to kill me.

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 04:02 PM
Seriously. Fundies having crazy beliefs should not have a large impact on our elections. Unless you really want to conform to the demands of fundamentalist Islam.

Atta fit in real well with his neighbors including babysitting their children, but he flew that plane into the tower and didnt even bat an eye.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 04:02 PM
why should I care about the deranged opinion of a deranged people

I think my exwife should still give my a blowjob

Neither her or her current husband agree.

Same thing, keep fishing.

Furthermore, I don't hate all Muslims. Just the ones who want to kill me.

If you just think real hard that she is giving you a blowjob, it will become true.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 04:03 PM
Atta fit in real well with his neighbors including babysitting their children, but he flew that plane into the tower and didnt even bat an eye.

What the **** are you talking about?

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:03 PM
If you just think real hard that she is giving you a blowjob, it will become true.


lol

I could become an undie fundie

NewChief
08-24-2008, 04:03 PM
What the **** are you talking about?

He might just moonlight as a guest columnist for American Thinker.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:04 PM
What the **** are you talking about?


I think this guy is Ross Perot

"if a mule starts a fire with peanut butter, it shouldn't eat licorice"

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 04:05 PM
Some fundamentalists in the Islamic world think America should convert to Islam or perish. Better start dying guys.

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 04:06 PM
What the **** are you talking about?

The pilot that flew the plane into the tower, he laid low and fit in with his neighbors until he did his job, everyone thought he was a nice guy and bought into him just like...........

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 04:07 PM
The pilot that flew the plane into the tower, he laid low and fit in with his neighbors until he did his job, everyone thought he was a nice guy and bought into him just like...........

Welcome to drug school?

VAChief
08-24-2008, 04:08 PM
Atta fit in real well with his neighbors including babysitting their children, but he flew that plane into the tower and didnt even bat an eye.

McVeigh probably blended in fairly well too.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 04:08 PM
The pilot that flew the plane into the tower, he laid low and fit in with his neighbors until he did his job, everyone thought he was a nice guy and bought into him just like...........

Sorry about nonsensical reply, but I am having trouble convincing myself that you actually exist.

Messier
08-24-2008, 04:09 PM
The pilot that flew the plane into the tower, he laid low and fit in with his neighbors until he did his job, everyone thought he was a nice guy and bought into him just like...........

He was the quite type...a loner....kept to himself...seemed nice enough....

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 04:11 PM
He was the quite type...a loner....kept to himself...seemed nice enough....

His neighbors were on TV right after it happened saying how he babysitted their children, so he wasnt a loner.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:12 PM
If you just think real hard that she is giving you a blowjob, it will become true.


Sounds like you have plenty of experience.

ROFL

Messier
08-24-2008, 04:13 PM
His neighbors were on TV right after it happened saying how he babysitted their children, so he wasnt a loner.

He was the quite type...friendly....he even babysitted our children...dependable....

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:15 PM
Boy, the moonbats are really frothing at the mouth in here. I think they are starting to realize it's all over for B.O. and... and... I forget his name already.

More from SHTSPRAYER "on message". :thumb:

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:16 PM
His neighbors were on TV right after it happened saying how he babysitted their children, so he wasnt a loner.

When did people mumbling to themselves on street corners get internet access?

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:16 PM
He was the quite type...friendly....he even babysitted our children...dependable....


are you for real?

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:16 PM
More from SHTSPRAYER "on message". :thumb:


What is B.O.'s message? Change and hope?

ROFL

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:18 PM
What is B.O.'s message? Change and hope?

ROFL

beats whatever MCCain's throwing out

including his hip

Messier
08-24-2008, 04:19 PM
What is B.O.'s message? Change and hope?

ROFL


Isn't that what McCain is pushing as well...well...except for the hope part?

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:20 PM
What is B.O.'s message? Change and hope?

ROFL

It's pretty easy to summarize: End our involvement in the wasteful war in Iraq, eliminate America's dependence on oil, provide affordable health care to all Americans, clean up the influence of corporate lobbyists in Washington, end corporate welfare and the tax breaks for the wealthy, restore America's credibility among other nations of the world.

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:21 PM
Isn't that what McCain is pushing as well...well...except for the hope part?

Not really the change either.

McCain: Less hope, not so much change.

Messier
08-24-2008, 04:22 PM
Not really the change either.

McCain: Less hope, not so much change.



I think that's the winner for him!

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 04:23 PM
It's pretty easy to summarize: End our involvement in the wasteful war in Iraq, eliminate America's dependence on oil, provide affordable health care to all Americans, clean up the influence of corporate lobbyists in Washington, end corporate welfare and the tax breaks for the wealthy, restore America's credibility among other nations of the world.

If were not credible with other nations, why do they have no problem taking our money since it should be considered blood money since they hate us.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:24 PM
Not really the change either.

McCain: Less hope, not so much change.


you forget the I'M A POW

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 04:25 PM
you forget the I'M A POW

John McCain: A POW you can believe in.

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:27 PM
If were not credible with other nations, why do they have no problem taking our money since it should be considered blood money since they hate us.

What?

Are you talking about the Chinese buying our debt?

This is what I'm talking about:

http://pewglobal.org/commentary/images/1019-1.gif

http://pewglobal.org/commentary/display.php?AnalysisID=1019

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:27 PM
If were not credible with other nations, why do they have no problem taking our money since it should be considered blood money since they hate us.


that's contradictory. Yes they take our money it's what their economy is built on and unfortunately is a staple of our life

see the part where it says ending the dependence on oil

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:28 PM
John McCain: A POW you can believe in.


POWer to the people

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:30 PM
SHTSPRAYER, I didn't see the part where you posted McCain's message, I had pretty much no trouble doing that for Obama.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:30 PM
end our involvement in the wasteful war in Iraq


And he's going to do that with the same Congress that approved of it?


eliminate America's dependence on oil

By waving his magic wand?


provide affordable health care to all Americans

I have a stomach ache. I'm going to call the government ambulance. Gee, it's been 3 hours, where are they?

clean up the influence of corporate lobbyists in Washington

He is? Even the one's on his team?

end corporate welfare and the tax breaks for the wealthy

Great! More corporations going overseas! More overseas bank accounts!

restore America's credibility among other nations of the world

What nations do we need the approval of? Name the countries that our credibility has been so compromised that the agitator from south Chicago will be able to restore it?

Bonus question:
Do you ever get tired of talking through your asshole?

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 04:33 PM
And he's going to do that with the same Congress that approved of it?


eliminate America's dependence on oil

By waving his magic wand?


provide affordable health care to all Americans

I have a stomach ache. I'm going to call the government ambulance. Gee, it's been 3 hours, where are they?

clean up the influence of corporate lobbyists in Washington

He is? Even the one's on his team?

end corporate welfare and the tax breaks for the wealthy

Great! More corporations going overseas! More overseas bank accounts!

restore America's credibility among other nations of the world

What nations do we need the approval of? Name the countries that our credibility has been so compromised that the agitator from south Chicago will be able to restore it?

Bonus question:
Do you ever get tired of talking through your asshole?


Obama doesnt want to drill for oil because it wont help solve the problem now, someone needs to tell Kay Barnes that because she is running ads on the radio saying that it will.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 04:34 PM
Obama doesnt want to drill for oil because it wont help solve the proplem now, someone need to tell Kay Barnes that because she is running ads on the radio saying that it will.

NCarlsCorner2, continuing his policy of "Someone said it so it must be true."

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:35 PM
And he's going to do that with the same Congress that approved of it?


eliminate America's dependence on oil

By waving his magic wand?


provide affordable health care to all Americans

I have a stomach ache. I'm going to call the government ambulance. Gee, it's been 3 hours, where are they?

clean up the influence of corporate lobbyists in Washington

He is? Even the one's on his team?

end corporate welfare and the tax breaks for the wealthy

Great! More corporations going overseas! More overseas bank accounts!

restore America's credibility among other nations of the world

What nations do we need the approval of? Name the countries that our credibility has been so compromised that the agitator from south Chicago will be able to restore it?

Bonus question:
Do you ever get tired of talking through your asshole?

See I thought you were just an ignorant racist. Now I'm inclined to believe you are the smartest ostrich on the planet. You can type, yes, but you've definitely had your head in the sand

BTW, making cutesy ignorant remarks about Obamas message doesn't equal showing us McCains

DeezNutz
08-24-2008, 04:35 PM
I don't know if he's got a one-word slogan that sums up his entire platform without ambiguity like "HOPE" or "CHANGE", but McCain's message is one of restrained spending, low taxes, a strong defense that Americans can be proud of, and the status quo on social issues. He's also emphasizing a more broadbased approach to America's energy challenges than his opponent which includes nuclear, renewable alternatives, and expanded oil and gas exploration.

Maybe his one word slogan ought to be "BETTER".

SHTSPRAYER, I didn't see the part where you posted McCain's message, I had pretty much no trouble doing that for Obama.

It seems like pat already tried to do this...

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:36 PM
NCarlsCorner2, continuing his policy of "Someone said it so it must be true."

it's like playing the rumor game in school

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 04:39 PM
NCarlsCorner2, continuing his policy of "Someone said it so it must be true."

No it's a case of Obama saying one thing and someone else in his party not agreeing with him until he sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing and then he will change his mind.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:40 PM
No it's a case of Obama saying one thing and someone else in his party not agreeing with him until he sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing and then he will change his mind.
you really don't want to go down this road

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:40 PM
See I thought you were just an ignorant racist. Now I'm inclined to believe you are the smartest ostrich on the planet. You can type, yes, but you've definitely had your head in the sand

BTW, making cutesy ignorant remarks about Obamas message doesn't equal showing us McCains


Moonbat response: Call me a raythitht.

ROFL

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 04:42 PM
No it's a case of Obama saying one thing and someone else in his party not agreeing with him until he sticks his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing and then he will change his mind.

It is actually the case that research, even research done by the Bush Administration, has shown that more offshore oil drilling will take years to give us any oil, and that said oil would not noticeably increase our independence from foreign oil. It is the case that even John McCain, up until a few months, had taken the above stance for years, and McCain then changed his stance in the middle of this campaign for political reasons.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:43 PM
Moonbat response: Call me a raythitht.

ROFL

when you refer to people as "blackie" that makes you a racist


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banyon
08-24-2008, 04:45 PM
And he's going to do that with the same Congress that approved of it?

What? The Congress that authorized war was controlled by Republicans. Are you on crack?


eliminate America's dependence on oil

By waving his magic wand?

No, he's got a pretty detailed (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf)policy proposal, not that you're interested.

provide affordable health care to all Americans

I have a stomach ache. I'm going to call the government ambulance. Gee, it's been 3 hours, where are they?

@70% of Americans want universal care to be implemented just like it is in the rest of the industrialized world. Your "I got mine so f*ck everyone else" attitude is not going to help most people who have real health care needs that are going unaddressed.

clean up the influence of corporate lobbyists in Washington

He is? Even the one's on his team?

Obama hasn't taken major lobbyist campaign money, which is the main thing that distinguished him from Hillary. As such, he is not going to be beholden to them. McCain 1.0 used to believe in this stuff too, before he became McCain 2.0.

end corporate welfare and the tax breaks for the wealthy

Great! More corporations going overseas! More overseas bank accounts!

Under Bush, there has been the most rapid outsourcing in the history of our economy and McCain says he wants to embrace those policies. I guess you think they're working great too.

Obama's plan seeks to incentive the tax code so that companies will keep operations here instead of giving them a break when they outsource, which is just bass-ackward.

restore America's credibility among other nations of the world

What nations do we need the approval of? Name the countries that our credibility has been so compromised that the agitator from south Chicago will be able to restore it?

Yeah, we can see how effective America was without help in Georgia. The French had to step in and do everything because we couldn't offer any criticisms without people asking "but didn't you do that". I posted the Pew poll above, it's a pretty good sample that holds for most countries. I did forget Poland though.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:46 PM
B.O.'s resume: Went to college for ten years. Agitated welfare trash in Rezko's Chicago slums after delivering 14 million of taxpayer money to Rezko.

The American people are not going to vote for this guy. Being a jerkoff to me isn't going to change that fact. But if it helps your moonbat self-esteem, keep it coming. I'm having fun here.

Messier
08-24-2008, 04:46 PM
when you refer to people as "blackie" that makes you a racist


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Typical moonbat, defining racism.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:47 PM
when you refer to people as "blackie" that makes you a racist


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The Blackie-O thing got you all hot and bothered. Good.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:47 PM
Typical moonbat, defining racism.

It's raythithm.

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:49 PM
It's raythithm.

Whatever you do, make sure you don't accidentally post anything about McCain's message.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:50 PM
Typical moonbat, defining racism.



I combat ignorance with education

wingnut

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:50 PM
Whatever you do, make sure you don't accidentally post anything about McCain's message.

I don't give a shit what his message is. I just love bashing B.O. and his moonbat followers.

This forum is like running into a bunch of Hare Krishna's at the airport.

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:51 PM
It seems like pat already tried to do this...

I remember that, because I replied and asked if it was any different than Bush. No one addressed that, so I guess the answer must be yes.

BTW, I haven't seen any speeches or appearances where McCain has been touting the themes suggested in patteeu's answer.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:51 PM
The Blackie-O thing got you all hot and bothered. Good.


I'm sitting here with a smile on my face there is nothing you could say or do to change that wingnut

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:52 PM
I don't give a shit what his message is. I just love bashing B.O. and his moonbat followers.

This forum is like running into a bunch of Hare Krishna's at the airport.

Well I give this post the award for "Most honest SHTSPRAYER post to date".

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:52 PM
I don't give a shit what his message is. I just love bashing B.O. and his moonbat followers.

This forum is like running into a bunch of Hare Krishna's at the airport.

you call what you're doing bashing

it's like you're hitting us with jello

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:52 PM
I combat ignorance with education

wingnut


You mean re-education? As in camps? Not here, not now, moonbat. We still have a first and second amendment.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:54 PM
you call what you're doing bashing

it's like you're hitting us with jello

Oh please. This thread is like I just wacked a hornets nest with a big stick and ran away without getting stung. You moonbats are all up in a tizzy.

BigMeatballDave
08-24-2008, 04:55 PM
What is McCain's message?I'm an incompetent assbag, but I'm a better candidate than BHO.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 04:57 PM
I'm an incompetent assbag, but I'm a better candidate than BHO.


He's got my vote.

banyon
08-24-2008, 04:57 PM
Oh please. This thread is like I just wacked a hornets nest with a big stick and ran away without getting stung. You moonbats are all up in a tizzy.

More like you swung at the hornet's nest, missed, and whacked yourself in the back of the head with the stick.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 04:59 PM
You mean re-education? As in camps? Not here, not now, moonbat. We still have a first and second amendment.


lol

grade school redirection

impressive bag of tricks


sorry you had to be educated (obviously not very well) at gun point

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 05:00 PM
More like you swung at the hornet's nest, missed, and whacked yourself in the back of the head with the stick.

and he should feel good, cause if that was McCain it'd have killed him

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 05:00 PM
I'm an incompetent assbag, but I'm a better candidate than BHO.

typical politician
first half true last half lie

DeezNutz
08-24-2008, 05:01 PM
BTW, I haven't seen any speeches or appearances where McCain has been touting the themes suggested in patteeu's answer.

Well, for one, he's talked a lot recently about energy issues and off-shore drilling, but I realize that this, though a policy point, gets dismissed as a flip-flop.

I understand the Obama crowd's wish to paint McCain as the next coming of Bush (no sexual pun intended), but possibly the greatest difference would be in his criticism of the President's handling of the war pre-surge. This is big.

McCain's also not in harmony on issues of immigration and conservation, the same reasons why he's had so much trouble securing the base.

But all of this doesn't fit nicely into the comfy phrase of "four more years" so I can understand the confusion.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 05:04 PM
Well, for one, he's talked a lot recently about energy issues and off-shore drilling, but I realize that this, though a policy point, gets dismissed as a flip-flop.

I understand the Obama crowd's wish to paint McCain as the next coming of Bush (no sexual pun intended), but possibly the greatest difference would be in his criticism of the President's handling of the war pre-surge. This is big.

McCain's also not in harmony on issues of immigration and conservation, the same reasons why he's had so much trouble securing the base.

But all of this doesn't fit nicely into the comfy phrase of "four more years" so I can understand the confusion.

give him time
he'll move more into line

DeezNutz
08-24-2008, 05:05 PM
give him time
he'll move more into line

Would this be "change you can believe in"? This is a powerful phrase, of course...

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 05:06 PM
What? The Congress that authorized war was controlled by Republicans. Are you on crack?



What Democrats voted against it? Cynthia McKinney and Dick Durbin?





No, he's got a pretty detailed (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf)policy proposal, not that you're interested.

Ah, the ol' moonbat faithful! Post a link to B.O.'s website! The answers are all there!!! :LOL:

It's a bunch of pap, and you know it.




70% of Americans want universal care to be implemented just like it is in the rest of the industrialized world. Your "I got mine so f*ck everyone else" attitude is not going to help most people who have real health care needs that are going unaddressed.

70%? Who?


Obama hasn't taken major lobbyist campaign money, which is the main thing that distinguished him from Hillary. As such, he is not going to be beholden to them. McCain 1.0 used to believe in this stuff too, before he became McCain 2.0.

He's not neck deep in the ethanol industry? Pull your head from your ass.



Under Bush, there has been the most rapid outsourcing in the history of our economy and McCain says he wants to embrace those policies. I guess you think they're working great too.

Obama's plan seeks to incentive the tax code so that companies will keep operations here instead of giving them a break when they outsource, which is just bass-ackward.

Complete lie. If B.O. wins, there will be more industry splitting town.



Yeah, we can see how effective America was without help in Georgia. The French had to step in and do everything because we couldn't offer any criticisms without people asking "but didn't you do that". I posted the Pew poll above, it's a pretty good sample that holds for most countries. I did forget Poland though

More BS and obfuscation from the left.

If Putin is using Bush for a patsy, what the hell would he do to B.O.? Give me a break with your BS already.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 05:08 PM
What Democrats voted against it? Cynthia McKinney and Dick Durbin?





No, he's got a pretty detailed (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf)policy proposal, not that you're interested.

Ah, the ol' moonbat faithful! Post a link to B.O.'s website! The answers are all there!!! :LOL:

It's a bunch of pap, and you know it.




70% of Americans want universal care to be implemented just like it is in the rest of the industrialized world. Your "I got mine so f*ck everyone else" attitude is not going to help most people who have real health care needs that are going unaddressed.

70%? Who?


Obama hasn't taken major lobbyist campaign money, which is the main thing that distinguished him from Hillary. As such, he is not going to be beholden to them. McCain 1.0 used to believe in this stuff too, before he became McCain 2.0.

He's not neck deep in the ethanol industry? Pull your head from your ass.



Under Bush, there has been the most rapid outsourcing in the history of our economy and McCain says he wants to embrace those policies. I guess you think they're working great too.

Obama's plan seeks to incentive the tax code so that companies will keep operations here instead of giving them a break when they outsource, which is just bass-ackward.

Complete lie. If B.O. wins, there will be more industry splitting town.



Yeah, we can see how effective America was without help in Georgia. The French had to step in and do everything because we couldn't offer any criticisms without people asking "but didn't you do that". I posted the Pew poll above, it's a pretty good sample that holds for most countries. I did forget Poland though

More BS and obfuscation from the left.

If Putin is using Bush for a patsy, what the hell would he do to B.O.? Give me a break with your BS already.


you're braindamaged

Donger
08-24-2008, 05:10 PM
I would imagine that John McCain has a website. I would imagine that website lists his proposals and "messages" rather thoroughly.

banyon
08-24-2008, 05:24 PM
What Democrats voted against it? Cynthia McKinney and Dick Durbin?

If they were going to withdraw, then there probably wouldn't be a dedicated group of the people in the Administration attempting to deceive them into false intelligence about why they shouldn't withdraw.Those falsehoods have been exposed, and most Democrats don't have this stubborn "I never make mistakes" attitude that people on the right sometimes mistake for leadership.





No, he's got a pretty detailed (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf)policy proposal, not that you're interested.

Ah, the ol' moonbat faithful! Post a link to B.O.'s website! The answers are all there!!! :LOL:

It's a bunch of pap, and you know it

I'll take this as "I have nothing to respond with so I'll pretend it doesn't exist."




70% of Americans want universal care to be implemented just like it is in the rest of the industrialized world. Your "I got mine so f*ck everyone else" attitude is not going to help most people who have real health care needs that are going unaddressed.

70%? Who?

Regular Americans, you know, the people the election is supposed to be about?


ABC News/Washington Post Poll. June 12-15, 2008. N=1,125 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS. .

"Which of these do you think is more important: providing health care coverage for all Americans, even if it means raising taxes, OR, holding down taxes, even if it means some Americans do not have health care coverage?"

http://www.pollingreport.com/health3.htm
Coverage
For All Holding
Down Taxes Unsure
% % %
6/12-15/08 66 31 3
10/9-13/03 79 17 4
12/99 71 26 3



Obama hasn't taken major lobbyist campaign money, which is the main thing that distinguished him from Hillary. As such, he is not going to be beholden to them. McCain 1.0 used to believe in this stuff too, before he became McCain 2.0.

He's not neck deep in the ethanol industry? Pull your head from your ass.

Obama hasn't emphasized ethanol as the central component of his energy plan, and like I said, he hasn't taken lobbyist contributions. I guess I'd also ask "proof?", but we know how futile that would be.

Under Bush, there has been the most rapid outsourcing in the history of our economy and McCain says he wants to embrace those policies. I guess you think they're working great too.

Obama's plan seeks to incentive the tax code so that companies will keep operations here instead of giving them a break when they outsource, which is just bass-ackward.

Complete lie. If B.O. wins, there will be more industry splitting town.

Clinton and Bush were both dedicated free traders, and McCain has said he's "the biggest free trader out there". Now when did jobs atart getting outsourced in this country, was it when we raised the rate in 1949 and 1968, or was it after we became part of NAFTA, the WTO and started to form the FTAA?

I suppose your dismissal of the efficacy of incentivizing corporations to stay is equally without foundation.

Yeah, we can see how effective America was without help in Georgia. The French had to step in and do everything because we couldn't offer any criticisms without people asking "but didn't you do that". I posted the Pew poll above, it's a pretty good sample that holds for most countries. I did forget Poland though

More BS and obfuscation from the left.

If Putin is using Bush for a patsy, what the hell would he do to B.O.? Give me a break with your BS already.

It'd be harder to be more ineffective than Bush was. Obama would be in a better position to threaten the use of force because he wouldn't have overextended our military in ventures not critical to our national security.

Ever heard the phrase "disagree without being disagreeable"? In any event, other than protest very loudly, you've really done nothing to refute any of the claims I made at all.

banyon
08-24-2008, 05:26 PM
I would imagine that John McCain has a website. I would imagine that website lists his proposals and "messages" rather thoroughly.

I didn't say he didn't have policy proposals, even Dennis Kucinich had those. I meant what's his candidacy about. What's most important to him and what will he lead us to accomplish?

Donger
08-24-2008, 05:30 PM
I didn't say he didn't have policy proposals, even Dennis Kucinich had those. I meant what's his candidacy about. What's most important to him and what will he lead us to accomplish?

Huh? You mean does McCain have a catch-phrase? Like "hope" or "change"?

banyon
08-24-2008, 05:30 PM
Huh? You mean does McCain have a catch-phrase? Like "hope" or "change"?

No. What's important to him, what does he want to accomplish as president?

Donger
08-24-2008, 05:31 PM
No. What's important to him, what does he want to accomplish as president?

Here: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/

banyon
08-24-2008, 05:33 PM
Here: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/

Yeah, I read his website before I started this thread. I still can't answer the question that I just posed to you though, and I bet you can't either.

Donger
08-24-2008, 05:34 PM
Yeah, I read his website before I started this thread. I still can't answer the question that I just posed to you though, and I bet you can't either.

"What's important to him, what does he want to accomplish as president?"

I would say all of them. Or, as many as he can accomplish.

kstater
08-24-2008, 05:35 PM
Here: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/

Thanks for the link. His stance on abortion:

During more than five years as a POW in Vietnam, John McCain experienced the worst assaults on human dignity imaginable. Yet each day he also saw in his fellow prisoners the power of human compassion and the will to prevail against unimaginable evil. It is this experience, and a life dedicated to public service, that has imbued in John McCain a fundamental commitment to the protection of human dignity that will shape his presidency.

banyon
08-24-2008, 05:36 PM
"What's important to him, what does he want to accomplish as president?"

I would say all of them. Or, as many as he can accomplish.

Are you starting to see how that's not a message?

Donger
08-24-2008, 05:38 PM
Are you starting to see how that's not a message?

No, I don't. Does Barack Hussein have "a message"?

banyon
08-24-2008, 05:44 PM
No, I don't. Does Barack Hussein have "a message"?

I posted Obama's message earlier. It's pretty easy to know what he thinks is important, because he talks about it (and not just his opponent).

Donger
08-24-2008, 06:13 PM
I posted Obama's message earlier. It's pretty easy to know what he thinks is important, because he talks about it (and not just his opponent).

This?

"It's pretty easy to summarize: End our involvement in the wasteful war in Iraq, eliminate America's dependence on oil, provide affordable health care to all Americans, clean up the influence of corporate lobbyists in Washington, end corporate welfare and the tax breaks for the wealthy, restore America's credibility among other nations of the world."

If so, one could just cut and paste from the McCain website as follows:

"It's pretty easy to summarize: A pro-growth, pro-jobs strategy to get our economy back on track, break our nation's strategic dependence on foreign sources of energy and will ensure our economic prosperity by meeting tomorrow's demands for a clean portfolio, unrivaled experience to command the United States armed forces and adapt our nation's defenses to the demands of a changing and dangerous world, bringing costs under control is the only way to stop the erosion of affordable health insurance, support the Government of Iraq to become capable of governing itself and safeguarding its people..."

And so on.

banyon
08-24-2008, 06:25 PM
This?

"It's pretty easy to summarize: End our involvement in the wasteful war in Iraq, eliminate America's dependence on oil, provide affordable health care to all Americans, clean up the influence of corporate lobbyists in Washington, end corporate welfare and the tax breaks for the wealthy, restore America's credibility among other nations of the world."

If so, one could just cut and paste from the McCain website as follows:

"It's pretty easy to summarize: A pro-growth, pro-jobs strategy to get our economy back on track, break our nation's strategic dependence on foreign sources of energy and will ensure our economic prosperity by meeting tomorrow's demands for a clean portfolio, unrivaled experience to command the United States armed forces and adapt our nation's defenses to the demands of a changing and dangerous world, bringing costs under control is the only way to stop the erosion of affordable health insurance, support the Government of Iraq to become capable of governing itself and safeguarding its people..."

And so on.

You could cut and paste those things, but they aren't the things that McCain is focusing on or talking about, nor any of his followers in this forum. I mean how many McCain supporters have a clue what his stance is on health care? ("stopping the erosion of affordable health care insurance") how many times has he talked about that, if ever?

BTW, who's not "pro-growth" and "pro-jobs"? In his economic plan (http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/Issues/JobsforAmerica/briefing.pdf), that appears to just be code for "cut taxes".

Donger
08-24-2008, 06:32 PM
You could cut and paste those things, but they aren't the things that McCain is focusing on or talking about, nor any of his followers in this forum.

BTW, who's not "pro-growth" and "pro-jobs"? In his economic plan (http://www.johnmccain.com/Images/Issues/JobsforAmerica/briefing.pdf), that appears to just be code for "cut taxes".

Ah, I see. Your actual question is "Why isn't McCain focusing on his message?"

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 06:36 PM
Ah, I see. Your actual question is "Why isn't McCain focusing on his message?"

His message is what he focuses on. A message must be communicated to an audience. McCain's message so far has centered around claims that Obama is not ready nor worthy for the Presidency.

banyon
08-24-2008, 06:36 PM
Ah, I see. Your actual question is "Why isn't McCain focusing on his message?"

No, I meant what is it, since he has focused on it (or any of the sub topics you cut and pasted from) so infrequently to date that I hadn't yet heard it.

Donger
08-24-2008, 06:41 PM
No, I meant what is it, since he has focused on it (or any of the sub topics you cut and pasted from) so infrequently to date that I hadn't yet heard it.

Perhaps you haven't been playing close enough attention or aren't in an area where the "message" ad s are being played? I've seen plenty of McCain ads here in Colorado that focus on his "message."

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 06:43 PM
Perhaps you haven't been playing close enough attention or aren't in an area where the "message" ad s are being played? I've seen plenty of McCain ads here in Colorado that focus on his "message."

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of McCain's ad buys. He has been running that "Washington is Broken" commercial a bit lately, but he is still running the Celebrity one too. The Celebrity ads were all I saw here in KC for a while.

Donger
08-24-2008, 06:45 PM
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of McCain's ad buys. He has been running that "Washington is Broken" commercial a bit lately, but he is still running the Celebrity one too. The Celebrity ads were all I saw here in KC for a while.

It's politics. He was down, so I guess they made a strategic decision to go after Barack Hussein.

Of course McCain has a message. I suppose it could be argued that it went on the back burner for a while in order to combat Barack Hussein's gains.

Donger
08-24-2008, 06:46 PM
It is pretty cool living in a "battleground" state, too. Growing up in Kansas, well...

banyon
08-24-2008, 06:46 PM
Perhaps you haven't been playing close enough attention or aren't in an area where the "message" ad s are being played? I've seen plenty of McCain ads here in Colorado that focus on his "message."

Well to be fair I'm in Kansas and that's pretty much been written off.

But I've been paying pretty close attention online and haven't seen many positive ads that promote anything other than the fact he was a POW.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 06:48 PM
Obama hasn't emphasized ethanol as the central component of his energy plan, and like I said, he hasn't taken lobbyist contributions. I guess I'd also ask "proof?", but we know how futile that would be.


Oh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/us/politics/23ethanol.html?ex=1371960000&en=99cda34eea075353&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink


Ever heard the phrase "disagree without being disagreeable"?

Au contrair, mon frere, I think it is you who's being just a bit to testy towards me.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 06:48 PM
It's politics. He was down, so I guess they made a strategic decision to go after Barack Hussein.

Of course McCain has a message. I suppose it could be argued that it went on the back burner for a while in order to combat Barack Hussein's gains.

I think McCain's policies will be on the back burner for most of the election. To add a little meat to my post, I think this because the GOP has ran that type of campaign successfully in the recent past, and the guy running McCain's campaign, Steve Schmidt, is from the Rove school of politics.

banyon
08-24-2008, 06:58 PM
Oh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/us/politics/23ethanol.html?ex=1371960000&en=99cda34eea075353&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Nowadays, when Mr. Obama travels in farm country, he is sometimes accompanied by his friend Tom Daschle, the former Senate majority leader from South Dakota. Mr. Daschle now serves on the boards of three ethanol companies and works at a Washington law firm where, according to his online job description, “he spends a substantial amount of time providing strategic and policy advice to clients in renewable energy.”

Mr. Obama’s lead advisor on energy and environmental issues, Jason Grumet, came to the campaign from the National Commission on Energy Policy, a bipartisan initiative associated with Mr. Daschle and Bob Dole, the Kansas Republican who is also a former Senate majority leader and a big ethanol backer who had close ties to the agribusiness giant Archer Daniels Midland.

To summarize: 1) Obama has been seen with a guy who is on the board of ethanol companies, but who has no role in his campaign. 2) Obama's lead energy advisor was on a bipartisan board that included Bob Dole who used to have ties to ADM.

So, now, everyone who has been in the same room with Bob Dole or talked to him is deep in the pocket of Ethanol! John McCain, John Stewart, all of us. Hell, I live just 100 miles from his hometown, I'm probably deep in the hip pocket of ADM too!

Ever heard the phrase "disagree without being disagreeable"?

Au contrair, mon frere, I think it is you who's being just a bit to testy towards me.

I believe you were the first to toss around insults and get hostile:


Bonus question:
Do you ever get tired of talking through your asshole?

Programmer
08-24-2008, 07:03 PM
I guess you can't answer the question then. It should be pretty simple.

You haven't listened to him speak so anything said is going to be rejected by your "greater intellect".

Read what he has to say on his website. I doubt that you can decipher the message, but you should at least try.

Programmer
08-24-2008, 07:07 PM
Sadly, it wasn't even a "comment". It was a question.

It wasn't a valid question you moron. Everything he has to say has been on the news and on the internet. Your inability to read and understand what his direction is just shows that you have blinders on to all things conservative.

You can throw jabs at me all you want, but I don't feel it's my job to tell you what is already out there in black and white.

You've wasted years of your life not getting an education.

Programmer
08-24-2008, 07:07 PM
YOUR QUESTION WAS WITHOUT MERIT DON'T YOU GET IT!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?>LJFLJFOIWJEF)J@)JRF)@UJROJF


I CAN NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTION WHICH I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER BY DECLARING THAT IT HAS NO MERT! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE<HJF)HJ></HJF)HJ>

Your whole life is without merit.

You are just another bandwagon rider.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 07:09 PM
To summarize: 1) Obama has been seen with a guy who is on the board of ethanol companies, but who has no role in blah blah blah

B.O. emerged from the bowels of the Daley machine in south Chicago-- the standard bearer of all that is honest and decent in Democrat party politics.


I believe you were the first to toss around insults and get hostile

I think it was a legitimate question, but what do I know.

banyon
08-24-2008, 07:16 PM
Your whole life is without merit.

You are just another bandwagon rider.

Sadly, you have become a caricature of yourself, see other thread.

banyon
08-24-2008, 07:18 PM
B.O. emerged from the bowels of the Daley machine in south Chicago-- the standard bearer of all that is honest and decent in Democrat party politics.

Does this mean that you don't have any other proof that he's in "the pocket of big oil"?


I believe you were the first to toss around insults and get hostile

I think it was a legitimate question, but what do I know.

Not exactly Dale Carnegie material, there.

Programmer
08-24-2008, 07:21 PM
Sadly, you have become a caricature of yourself, see other thread.

If it weren't for me posting on this board you wouldn't have anything to do with your pathetic life.

You've spent your whole weekend searching for me to post so you could be nasty and rude.

Think about it, do you really think your opinion is that important to the world?

I know you can't figure the answer to the question so I'll tell you this one.

NO.

Cntrygal
08-24-2008, 07:23 PM
I was just watching CNN and they said that during the DNC, even though traditionally the opposing party's candidate will rest, McCain will be out all week campaigning and "getting out his message".


I just thought to myself, what is that?

My friends....

I once didn't have a kitchen table.....

My friends....

banyon
08-24-2008, 07:23 PM
If it weren't for me posting on this board you wouldn't have anything to do with your pathetic life.

You've spent your whole weekend searching for me to post so you could be nasty and rude.

Think about it, do you really think your opinion is that important to the world?

I know you can't figure the answer to the question so I'll tell you this one.

NO.

Er, no. Actually I was out of town on Friday and most of Saturday and have posted while watching television for a few hours today. Thanks for your concern though.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 07:25 PM
Does this mean that you don't have any other proof that he's in "the pocket of big oil"?

Right, B.O. is clean as the day is long. :rolleyes:

He can do no wrong.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 07:26 PM
My friends....

I once didn't have a kitchen table.....

My friends....

Touche.

ROFL

banyon
08-24-2008, 07:26 PM
Right, B.O. is clean as the day is long. :rolleyes:

He can do no wrong.

Ok, then. Is this another example of "your thrashing of the moonbats"?

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 07:27 PM
Ok, then. Is this another example of "your thrashing of the moonbats"?


He's B.O.

The politician who is above politics.

Logical
08-24-2008, 07:27 PM
I posted Obama's message earlier. It's pretty easy to know what he thinks is important, because he talks about it (and not just his opponent).
Well that and he has written 2 books that are on message Audacity of Hope (already available) and his about to be released book.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 07:29 PM
Well that and he has written 2 books that are on message Audacity of Hope (already available) and his about to be released book.

Be honest, did you actually read those books? I flipped through a few pages at the library, and I've experienced more stimulation watching grass grow.

irishjayhawk
08-24-2008, 07:32 PM
If it weren't for me posting on this board you wouldn't have anything to do with your pathetic life.

You've spent your whole weekend searching for me to post so you could be nasty and rude.

Think about it, do you really think your opinion is that important to the world?

I know you can't figure the answer to the question so I'll tell you this one.

NO.

ROFL @ Cross thread humor.

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 07:52 PM
Be honest, did you actually read those books? I flipped through a few pages at the library, and I've experienced more stimulation watching grass grow.

that's probably the extent your racist right wing nut job pea sized brain can process information

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 07:54 PM
that's probably the extent your racist right wing nut job pea sized brain can process information

Did you read his books?

J Diddy
08-24-2008, 08:06 PM
Did you read his books?



nope

I never learned how to read

patteeu
08-24-2008, 09:32 PM
This forum is like running into a bunch of Hare Krishna's at the airport.

LMAO

Logical
08-24-2008, 09:35 PM
Be honest, did you actually read those books? I flipped through a few pages at the library, and I've experienced more stimulation watching grass grow.
Yes I read Audacity of Hope (own it have it on my desk at work for others to read if they want to). The other book is not released yet so of course I have not read it yet.

patteeu
08-24-2008, 09:37 PM
I remember that, because I replied and asked if it was any different than Bush. No one addressed that, so I guess the answer must be yes.

BTW, I haven't seen any speeches or appearances where McCain has been touting the themes suggested in patteeu's answer.

To be accurate, you replied by suggesting that it was no different than Bush rather than asking the question. If you'd have asked, I would have pointed out that Bush didn't restrain spending so they are pretty different on that count. And on foreign policy, McCain would be less liberal with his use of harsh interrogation techniques than Bush has been and he would have shifted to a surge strategy in Iraq earlier too.

CHANGE to McCain. He's BETTER than HOPE. ;)

banyon
08-24-2008, 09:43 PM
To be accurate, you replied by suggesting that it was no different than Bush rather than asking the question. If you'd have asked, I would have pointed out that Bush didn't restrain spending so they are pretty different on that count. And on foreign policy, McCain would be less liberal with his use of harsh interrogation techniques than Bush has been.

CHANGE to McCain. He's BETTER than HOPE. ;)

Bush SAID that he was for restraining spending and small government, he just ignored all that when he got into office. Their policies are the same, and McCain voted for them 95% of the time.

I agree that McCain would be less bloodthirsty on the torture and human rights, but again, these aren't really things McCain is bringing up with any regularity.

patteeu
08-24-2008, 09:52 PM
Bush SAID that he was for restraining spending and small government, he just ignored all that when he got into office. Their policies are the same, and McCain voted for them 95% of the time.

I agree that McCain would be less bloodthirsty on the torture and human rights, but again, these aren't really things McCain is bringing up with any regularity.

Uh, we don't agree if you think either of these men is bloodthirsty, pro-torture, or a violator of human rights.

Bush said he was a uniter too, does that mean that Barack is Bush?

The only candidate in this race who can possibly deliver spending restraint is John McCain. Barack Obama will not veto his democrat Congress when it decides to spend extravagantly after it passes his tax increases.

banyon
08-24-2008, 10:01 PM
Uh, we don't agree if you think either of these men is bloodthirsty, pro-torture, or a violator of human rights.


McCain thought it was torture, and he said as much pretty vociferously.

“Anyone who knows what waterboarding is could not be unsure. It is a horrible torture technique used by Pol Pot and being used on Buddhist monks as we speak,” said McCain after a campaign stop at Dordt College here.

“People who have worn the uniform and had the experience know that this is a terrible and odious practice and should never be condoned in the U.S. We are a better nation than that.”

irishjayhawk
08-24-2008, 10:06 PM
I see Roy hasn't been able to give me McCain's message.

patteeu
08-25-2008, 06:50 AM
McCain thought it was torture, and he said as much pretty vociferously.

“Anyone who knows what waterboarding is could not be unsure. It is a horrible torture technique used by Pol Pot and being used on Buddhist monks as we speak,” said McCain after a campaign stop at Dordt College here.

“People who have worn the uniform and had the experience know that this is a terrible and odious practice and should never be condoned in the U.S. We are a better nation than that.”

There are lots of things I don't agree with McCain on.

patteeu
08-25-2008, 06:55 AM
I see Roy hasn't been able to give me McCain's message.

What is it with you and banyon? I posted McCain's message at the beginning of this thread.

According to some Obama supporters (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189642) (see posts 45 & 46), we won't really know Obama's true message until after he gets through with his dirty campaign tactics that require him to obscure his real message.

tiptap
08-25-2008, 08:11 AM
Oh, you're one of those people.

I find it interesting the Bush II conversion redeemed him from alcoholism (and cocaine use) but the same Grace is insufficient to redeem someone who comes to Christianity with youthful exposure to a wide range of competing ideas.

God's Grace is insufficient.

Messier
08-25-2008, 08:39 AM
What is it with you and banyon? I posted McCain's message at the beginning of this thread.

According to some Obama supporters (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189642) (see posts 45 & 46), we won't really know Obama's true message until after he gets through with his dirty campaign tactics that require him to obscure his real message.

No, I get his message in his campaign ads. Most do not mention McCain at all. I haven't seen a McCain ad yet that hasn't mentioned Obama. I'm sure there are some, I guess they just don't run them much.

Messier
08-25-2008, 08:50 AM
There are lots of things I don't agree with McCain on.

Well then, don't vote for him.

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 09:12 AM
What is it with you and banyon? I posted McCain's message at the beginning of this thread.

According to some Obama supporters (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189642) (see posts 45 & 46), we won't really know Obama's true message until after he gets through with his dirty campaign tactics that require him to obscure his real message.

It seems only one McCain person knows what it is.

And, I might add, that I don't believe your summary is accurate. Especially the "restrained spending" part. It's hard to believe that part after Bush.

patteeu
08-25-2008, 11:29 AM
No, I get his message in his campaign ads. Most do not mention McCain at all. I haven't seen a McCain ad yet that hasn't mentioned Obama. I'm sure there are some, I guess they just don't run them much.

I think people are better off ignoring campaign ads when it comes to information gathering.

patteeu
08-25-2008, 11:32 AM
I find it interesting the Bush II conversion redeemed him from alcoholism (and cocaine use) but the same Grace is insufficient to redeem someone who comes to Christianity with youthful exposure to a wide range of competing ideas.

God's Grace is insufficient.

Even God's Grace may be insufficient to redeem the ideas of the radical left. They're really bad ideas.

patteeu
08-25-2008, 11:44 AM
And, I might add, that I don't believe your summary is accurate. Especially the "restrained spending" part. It's hard to believe that part after Bush.

What Bush did or didn't do has nothing to do with McCain or McCain's message. There isn't a thinking person around who honestly believes that a democrat monopoly on lawmaking power (i.e. both houses of Congress and the Presidency) will lead to restrained spending. OTOH, a divided government in tension between a McCain presidency and a democrat-controlled Congress has a legitimate shot at financial sanity.

Besides, whether you believe he'll follow through or not, a message is a message.

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 12:43 PM
What Bush did or didn't do has nothing to do with McCain or McCain's message. There isn't a thinking person around who honestly believes that a democrat monopoly on lawmaking power (i.e. both houses of Congress and the Presidency) will lead to restrained spending. OTOH, a divided government in tension between a McCain presidency and a democrat-controlled Congress has a legitimate shot at financial sanity.

Besides, whether you believe he'll follow through or not, a message is a message.

Fair point.

However, your example of "McCain's Message" seems to me more the "Republican Party Message" than anything else. You've merely given simple Republican talking points.

What does McCain think he brings to the table? What makes him better than Obama? He hasn't done any of this in way of his own "message".

A message is more than broad conservative talking points.

patteeu
08-25-2008, 01:27 PM
Fair point.

However, your example of "McCain's Message" seems to me more the "Republican Party Message" than anything else. You've merely given simple Republican talking points.

What does McCain think he brings to the table? What makes him better than Obama? He hasn't done any of this in way of his own "message".

A message is more than broad conservative talking points.

No it isn't. A message can be "different" than broad conservative talking points, but it doesn't have to be and it isn't "more than" that.

But when it comes to breaking away from party orthodoxy, McCain is light years ahead of Obama. There are numerous examples of McCain acting independently of his party, but not so with Obama.

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 01:30 PM
No it isn't. A message can be "different" than broad conservative talking points, but it doesn't have to be and it isn't "more than" that.

But when it comes to breaking away from party orthodoxy, McCain is light years ahead of Obama. There are numerous examples of McCain acting independently of his party, but not so with Obama.


of these examples, which are recent

ROYC75
08-25-2008, 01:30 PM
Fair point.

However, your example of "McCain's Message" seems to me more the "Republican Party Message" than anything else. You've merely given simple Republican talking points.

What does McCain think he brings to the table? What makes him better than Obama? He hasn't done any of this in way of his own "message".

A message is more than broad conservative talking points.

You keep asking everybody this.......

so what is Obama's message , his qualifications to be POTUS ?

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 01:31 PM
You keep asking everybody this.......

so what is Obama's message , his qualifications to be POTUS ?


that was answered real early in this thread page 1 or 2

BucEyedPea
08-25-2008, 01:42 PM
Jail time makes for the best qualifications to be president. ROFL

patteeu
08-25-2008, 01:48 PM
that was answered real early in this thread page 1 or 2

As was the question he's criticizing.

DeezNutz
08-25-2008, 01:52 PM
that was answered real early in this thread page 1 or 2

Pretty similar to Dem. talking points, no?

This was the criticism of McCain's "message"...

Surprising that any party would influence and be influenced by the top representative of said party.

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 02:01 PM
My thought of the real point of this thread is:

If his message of leadership can set him apart why doesnt he air that?

Instead he's airing ads attacking BO's experience, he's doing a little poopy dance that he's got one of Hillary's dems

when does he talk about anything at all of substance

see personally, not just politically, i hate this shit

Why not be better, when I can make my competition look worse

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 02:02 PM
You keep asking everybody this.......

so what is Obama's message , his qualifications to be POTUS ?

Umm, I refuse to give mine until you give yours. You have not in the like 12 replies to me, given your list.

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 02:03 PM
No it isn't. A message can be "different" than broad conservative talking points, but it doesn't have to be and it isn't "more than" that.

But when it comes to breaking away from party orthodoxy, McCain is light years ahead of Obama. There are numerous examples of McCain acting independently of his party, but not so with Obama.

Really?

I thought the DNC trying to limit/cut out completely lobbyist money or such would be a good example of Obama changing his party.

Programmer
08-25-2008, 03:39 PM
My thought of the real point of this thread is:

If his message of leadership can set him apart why doesnt he air that?

Instead he's airing ads attacking BO's experience, he's doing a little poopy dance that he's got one of Hillary's dems

when does he talk about anything at all of substance

see personally, not just politically, i hate this shit

Why not be better, when I can make my competition look worse

How is it that all the liberals here claim to be so astute on current politics but can't hear what the man is saying?

It's like they have shit packed in their ears from listening to Obslama.

mlyonsd
08-25-2008, 03:44 PM
Really?

I thought the DNC trying to limit/cut out completely lobbyist money or such would be a good example of Obama changing his party.

Getting lobbyists to raise money for you instead of just accepting it from them isn't much of a change IMO. That's more slight of hand then anything.

patteeu
08-25-2008, 03:57 PM
Really?

I thought the DNC trying to limit/cut out completely lobbyist money or such would be a good example of Obama changing his party.

You bought into that? Tell me you're kidding.

banyon
08-25-2008, 04:00 PM
How is it that all the liberals here claim to be so astute on current politics but can't hear what the man is saying?

It's like they have shit packed in their ears from listening to Obslama.

You are quite the loser!

banyon
08-25-2008, 04:03 PM
Getting lobbyists to raise money for you instead of just accepting it from them isn't much of a change IMO. That's more slight of hand then anything.

Proof?

dirk digler
08-25-2008, 04:04 PM
What is it with you and banyon? I posted McCain's message at the beginning of this thread.

According to some Obama supporters (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=189642) (see posts 45 & 46), we won't really know Obama's true message until after he gets through with his dirty campaign tactics that require him to obscure his real message.

Have you ever met a Messiah that actually spelled out exactly what was going to happen?

I mean cmon geez.. :)

Programmer
08-25-2008, 04:37 PM
You are quite the loser!

Oh, hell. Now I'm going to have to give back all that money from powerball.

If I were like you I'd be working at some government job making 1/4 what I could in private practice.

I stay the loser if that's the comparison I have.

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 04:44 PM
How is it that all the liberals here claim to be so astute on current politics but can't hear what the man is saying?

It's like they have shit packed in their ears from listening to Obslama.


you're feeble minded insults don't change the facts

banyon
08-25-2008, 04:51 PM
Oh, hell. Now I'm going to have to give back all that money from powerball.

If I were like you I'd be working at some government job making 1/4 what I could in private practice.

I stay the loser if that's the comparison I have.

That's a gay comment. You should probably watch out for AIDS, NTTATWWT.

Programmer
08-25-2008, 05:04 PM
you're feeble minded insults don't change the facts

Oh boy, that was good.

If you are so astute, tell us why you feel Obslama isn't going to raise taxes. He wants to add a ton of social programs for the poor. If you aren't poor you are going to pay more in taxes. Obslama isn't going to shit the money for the programs he wants to have.

Programmer
08-25-2008, 05:05 PM
That's a gay comment. You should probably watch out for AIDS, NTTATWWT.

That's it, now I know you are gay. You should probably not try to speak with Obslama's dick in your mouth.

banyon
08-25-2008, 05:06 PM
That's it, now I know you are gay. You should probably not try to speak with Obslama's dick in your mouth.

You are quite the loser!

Programmer
08-25-2008, 05:07 PM
You are quite the loser!

Takes one to know one there bubba. How many teeth do you have left? Does your boyfriend like gummers?

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 05:17 PM
Takes one to know one there bubba. How many teeth do you have left? Does your boyfriend like gummers?

funny how you support mccains old ass and then are obsessed with gummers

now we know

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 08:56 PM
You bought into that? Tell me you're kidding.

Last I heard they made that their official policy. Whether it worked, practically, or was enforced, remains to be seen.

Not going to lie: I want it to be true so bad.

mlyonsd
08-25-2008, 09:05 PM
Proof?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obama_N.htm

Obama tied to lobbyists but boasts of not taking money

--Barack Obama often boasts he is "the only candidate who isn't taking a dime from Washington lobbyists," yet his fund raising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government records show.

Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator's presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama's campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign finance data shows.

Thirty-one of the 38 are law firm partners, who typically receive a share of their firm's lobbying fees. At least six of them have some managerial authority over lobbyists.

"It makes no difference whether the person is a registered lobbyist or the partner of a registered lobbyist, if the person is raising monet to get access or curry favor," said Michael Malbin, director of the Campaign Finance Institute, a non-partisan think tank.

-----

change.......hope

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 09:09 PM
Oh boy, that was good.

If you are so astute, tell us why you feel Obslama isn't going to raise taxes. He wants to add a ton of social programs for the poor. If you aren't poor you are going to pay more in taxes. Obslama isn't going to shit the money for the programs he wants to have.

oh I don't know, maybe he could get us out of this expensive ass war

that seems to take up quite a few bucks

banyon
08-25-2008, 10:09 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obama_N.htm

Obama tied to lobbyists but boasts of not taking money

--Barack Obama often boasts he is "the only candidate who isn't taking a dime from Washington lobbyists," yet his fund raising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government records show.

Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator's presidential race. Employees of their firms have given Obama's campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis of campaign finance data shows.

Thirty-one of the 38 are law firm partners, who typically receive a share of their firm's lobbying fees. At least six of them have some managerial authority over lobbyists.

"It makes no difference whether the person is a registered lobbyist or the partner of a registered lobbyist, if the person is raising monet to get access or curry favor," said Michael Malbin, director of the Campaign Finance Institute, a non-partisan think tank.

-----

change.......hope

This is like one of those SAT/LSAT logic puzzles. So ten out of thirty one out of thirty eight? That's potentially 3 people.

patteeu
08-26-2008, 06:55 AM
oh I don't know, maybe he could get us out of this expensive ass war

that seems to take up quite a few bucks

Obama has promised more in new spending than he could save from ending the war in Iraq. Just yesterday he was talking about how it would have been good to spend the money that has been spent on the war on some domestic programs he was touting. He's given us no reason to believe that he plans to curtail out-of-control spending at all. Quite the contrary.

patteeu
08-26-2008, 07:00 AM
Last I heard they made that their official policy. Whether it worked, practically, or was enforced, remains to be seen.

Not going to lie: I want it to be true so bad.

He doesn't take money directly from a very narrowly defined group of Washington lobbyists, but he'll gladly accept money from other lobbyists (e.g. state lobbyists) and money from associates and partners of lobbyists (e.g. Tom Daschle). It's a pretty hollow commitment designed to sound a whole lot better than it is.

And then there's the fact that we aren't really talking about much money in any event:

How meaningful is this? “It’s a politically smart position for him to take. It sounds profound,” says Massie Ritsch, communications director for the Center for Responsive Politics. “But in fact neither PACs nor lobbyists give a lot to presidential campaigns. He’s not leaving a whole lot of money on the table by eschewing PACs and lobbyists.” PAC money represents only about one percent of all the money in a presidential race because, Ritsch says, so many people donate that their contributions dwarf PAC money. - Columbia Journalism Review (http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/obamas_lobbyist_line.php)

mlyonsd
08-26-2008, 07:38 AM
This is like one of those SAT/LSAT logic puzzles. So ten out of thirty one out of thirty eight? That's potentially 3 people.

None-some. I didn't realize they're synonyms.

change.......hope.

Programmer
08-26-2008, 07:56 AM
oh I don't know, maybe he could get us out of this expensive ass war

that seems to take up quite a few bucks

Not going to happen. He has even commented that he would re-deploy men from Iraq. Where do you think they are going? To another war zone, he won't be bringing all home as you want to believe.

If elected he will have our guys there during his whole term in office and leave the situation for another president to clean up. War is big business and that is what he will use to try to impact the economy.

Programmer
08-26-2008, 07:58 AM
funny how you support mccains old ass and then are obsessed with gummers

now we know

Weak, very weak.

You apparently don't know the difference between supporting a person for president because the opposition is a piece of shit and your gay agenda.

banyon
08-26-2008, 09:13 AM
None-some. I didn't realize they're synonyms.

change.......hope.

I think it's a stretch to say that it should count as "lobbyist contributions".
I'll leave it at that.

penchief
08-26-2008, 09:16 AM
What is McCain's message? The same as it was for the last four republican campaigns. The democrat is not trustworthy.

jAZ
08-26-2008, 09:18 AM
60 posts and no one gets it right (or really ventures much of an effort, unless I missed a post)?

For the moment McCain's message is "I'm ready to lead because I was a POW and that celebrity Saddam Bin Laden guy is not".

If you were to ask the McCain camp, they might describe it in less snarky terms ("McCain: Ready to Lead"), but that's about it.

Programmer
08-26-2008, 09:37 AM
60 posts and no one gets it right (or really ventures much of an effort, unless I missed a post)?

For the moment McCain's message is "I'm ready to lead because I was a POW and that celebrity Saddam Bin Laden guy is not".

If you were to ask the McCain camp, they might describe it in less snarky terms ("McCain: Ready to Lead"), but that's about it.

Do you have a link for this tripe or are you just venting because Obslama's surge isn't surging?

penguinz
08-26-2008, 09:50 AM
He's given us no reason to believe that he plans to curtail out-of-control spending at all.And McCain has?

jAZ
08-26-2008, 09:52 AM
Do you have a link for this tripe or are you just venting because Obslama's surge isn't surging?

Which tripe in particular?

Have you watched any of McCain's commericals lately? They all have the theme "Obama is not ready to lead, McCain is".

BigChiefFan
08-26-2008, 09:53 AM
McCain's message "pull the wool over their eyes and continue fascist plan to take over the country"

More of the same McCain.

patteeu
08-26-2008, 10:07 AM
And McCain has?

Of course he has. McCain hasn't proposed nearly $1 trillion in new spending the way Obama has. McCain has has made spending restraint a central argument for his campaign, Obama doesn't even pretend to favor spending restraint.

penguinz
08-26-2008, 10:10 AM
Of course he has. McCain hasn't proposed nearly $1 trillion in new spending the way Obama has. McCain has has made spending restraint a central argument for his campaign, Obama doesn't even pretend to favor spending restraint.
You are joking about him curbing spending right?

patteeu
08-26-2008, 10:14 AM
You are joking about him curbing spending right?

I think a McCain presidency combined with what appears to be an inevitable dem Congress will be dramatically more restrained when it comes to spending than an Obama presidency combined with a dem Congress. I never said that McCain was going to curb spending.

Do you seriously disagree?

penguinz
08-26-2008, 10:22 AM
I think a McCain presidency combined with what appears to be an inevitable dem Congress will be dramatically more restrained when it comes to spending than an Obama presidency combined with a dem Congress. I never said that McCain was going to curb spending.

Do you seriously disagree?More restrained? Probably. But as long as we are in Iraq, whether you agree or disagree with us being there, there is no way to continue to fund it without raising taxes.

patteeu
08-26-2008, 10:30 AM
More restrained? Probably. But as long as we are in Iraq, whether you agree or disagree with us being there, there is no way to continue to fund it without raising taxes.

OK, so we agree that McCain would (at least "probably") be better at restraining spending. That's progress.

irishjayhawk
08-26-2008, 10:34 AM
By the way, patteeu, I finally did some research on spending. It's most likely true that McCain would spend much less. However, he also would take in less. (Not that I'm complaining). In fact, I learned about Obama's economy plans and it worries me. We haven't had any effect with the $300-600 stimulus so why attempt a $1000 stimulus.

However, I still see McCain as technically spending less while taking in less. It's the same kind of deficit spending (spending money we didn't collect) that we've seen with Bush.

penguinz
08-26-2008, 10:44 AM
OK, so we agree that McCain would (at least "probably") be better at restraining spending. That's progress.No. We agree that a Rep President and Dem Congress or a Dem Pres and Rep Congress would be better at restraining spending.

patteeu
08-26-2008, 10:54 AM
No. We agree that a Rep President and Dem Congress or a Dem Pres and Rep Congress would be better at restraining spending.

We're going to have a dem Congress so that's a distinction without a difference.

patteeu
08-26-2008, 10:57 AM
By the way, patteeu, I finally did some research on spending. It's most likely true that McCain would spend much less. However, he also would take in less. (Not that I'm complaining). In fact, I learned about Obama's economy plans and it worries me. We haven't had any effect with the $300-600 stimulus so why attempt a $1000 stimulus.

However, I still see McCain as technically spending less while taking in less. It's the same kind of deficit spending (spending money we didn't collect) that we've seen with Bush.

I don't know which one would have bigger deficits, but I'm happy that we can agree that McCain would be the less extravagant spender.

As for the deficit, our recent history (except for the latest year of course) suggests that divided government tends to lead to lower deficits. I think that factor is more important than who would raise taxes or spend more in terms of the resulting deficit. If elected, McCain will lead a divided government. Obama would not.

penguinz
08-26-2008, 01:05 PM
We're going to have a dem Congress so that's a distinction without a difference.The point is it really has nothing to do with McCain. It is the balance of power between the two branches of government.