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memyselfI
08-24-2008, 07:15 PM
Guess those 52 people who voted for Biden in the primaries weren't polled. :doh!: Apparently, a newbie phony like Edwards gave Kerry a 6% point bounce.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/24/cnn-poll-post-biden-poll-shows-dead-heat/
CNN poll: Post-Biden poll shows dead heat
Posted: 06:25 PM ET

From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser

DENVER, Colorado (CNN) — It’s a dead heat in the race for the White House. The first national poll conducted entirely after Barack Obama publicly named Joe Biden as his running mate suggests that battle for the presidency between the Illinois senator and Republican rival John McCain is all tied up.

In a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out Sunday night, 47 percent of those questioned are backing Obama with an equal amount supporting the Arizona senator.

“This looks like a step backward for Obama, who had a 51 to 44 percent advantage last month,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

“Even last week, just before his choice of Joe Biden as his running mate became known, most polls tended to show Obama with a single-digit advantage over McCain,” adds Holland.

So what’s the difference now?

It may be supporters of Hillary Clinton, who still would prefer the Senator from New York as the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee.

Sixty-six percent of Clinton supporters, registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee, are now backing Obama. That’s down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they’ll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.

“The number of Clinton Democrats who say they would vote for McCain has gone up 11 points since June, enough to account for most although not all of the support McCain has gained in that time,” says Holland.

Clinton and Obama battled throughout the primary season, with Clinton winning more than 40 percent of the delegates. She suspended her bid for the White House and backed Obama in early June, after the end of the primary season.

A majority of registered voters, 54 percent, think Obama’s choice of Delaware Senator Joe Biden as his running mate is an excellent or good decision. That number jumps to 73 percent when just asked of registered Democrats. But it drops to 59 percent when narrowed to Clinton supporters.

“It's not that there's anything wrong with the choice of Joe Biden. A majority of those polled rate the Biden selection as excellent or pretty good. Voters think he is qualified to be president, and with the exception of Al Gore in 1992, the public ranks Biden as the most qualified running mate in recent times," says Holland.

"A lot of Americans don't know who he is, but his favorable rating is 13 points higher than his unfavorables But Biden is not Hillary Clinton, and it's possible that is enough to have moved some of her supporters away from the Democratic ticket, at least temporarily."

Among all Democrats, only 38 percent say Obama should have selected Clinton as his running mate.

Will Biden’s naming as Obama’s running mate make a difference? Maybe not. Seventy-four percent of all voters questioned in the survey say it won’t have any effect on their vote for president.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted on Saturday and Sunday, with 1,023 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey’s sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for all voters. For registered Democrats, it is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points, and for Democrats who still support Clinton for the party's nomination, it is plus or minus 7.5 percentage points.

***SPRAYER
08-24-2008, 07:19 PM
B.O. is a flatliner.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 07:22 PM
It is one day after Biden was selected. Was this poll done over one day? Eh, I see it was done over Saturday and Sunday. Still, it is pretty stupid to expect any effect to show up so soon.

Dick Bull
08-24-2008, 07:24 PM
I find it amusing that these fuqtards need to post any and everything that make them feel better. Are you searching for approval or justification?

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 07:39 PM
Obama will get a nice bounce this week...

To the curb.

memyselfI
08-24-2008, 07:43 PM
B.O. is a flatliner.

Well, I wonder if the bounce will ever happen if the media starts to look into Joe Biden's sons connection to NOBama and Larry Sinclair. :doh!:

NCarlsCorner2
08-24-2008, 07:45 PM
Well, I wonder if the bounce will ever happen if the media starts to look into Joe Biden's sons connection to NOBama and Larry Sinclair. :doh!:

Do tell.

beer bacon
08-24-2008, 07:45 PM
Well, I wonder if the bounce will ever happen if the media starts to look into Joe Biden's sons connection to NOBama and Larry Sinclair. :doh!:

Hahahah, Larry Sinclar. You nutter.

wazu
08-24-2008, 07:47 PM
Nah... the Dems will put on a good show this week...

However, McCain's VP pick Friday will start moving things back in his direction...

I think the primary schedule is bad for the Republicans. This week is going to be a full-on Democrat love-fest. I think the public will be about worn out with being beaten over the head with politics by next weekend. Full burnout will probably happen right before the GOP convention, without enough time to refresh and get interested again.

Advantage: Dems

memyselfI
08-24-2008, 08:02 PM
Do tell.

Let's just say the Attorney General in DE named Biden came up with magical timing and a legal opportunity that aided NObama at a critical time.

memyselfI
08-24-2008, 08:06 PM
I think the primary schedule is bad for the Republicans. This week is going to be a full-on Democrat love-fest. I think the public will be about worn out with being beaten over the head with politics by next weekend. Full burnout will probably happen right before the GOP convention, without enough time to refresh and get interested again.

Advantage: Dems

Actually, I disagree. The Olympics just ended tonight. Many families spent alot of time in front of the TV the last two weeks. School JUST started so families are not going to be so inclined to spend this next week tied to the tube after being tied down the past two weeks.

Our political junkie family is now back in full BTS mode. We have sports practices on two nights, BTS on one of the nights and available to actually watch only on Monday. We don't care enough about Michelle Obama to actually tune in. We'll TIVO Bill, Hillary, Al Gore and skip the rest.

Logical
08-24-2008, 08:13 PM
Not at all, you always want to go last.

McCain announces VP Friday... buzz going into holiday weekend... carries over all the way through Sept 4th... exactly 2 months before election day.This is where DEnise has it wrong, political junkies will pay attention the first week but the Holiday weekend puts the Republicans at a big disadvantage. That really will not serve them, people will be BBQing, going to the beach, lake etc on the last holiday of summer.

banyon
08-24-2008, 08:26 PM
Let's just say the Attorney General in DE named Biden came up with magical timing and a legal opportunity that aided NObama at a critical time.

I can understand why you would be reticent to post the article. It would have ben one of the nuttiest things ever posted in this forum, and that's saying a lot:

August 23, 2008
OBAMA/BIDEN PLAN THEIR OWN 9-11: Obama & Biden Hope To Silence Sinclair on 9-11


September 11, 2008 has been set as the date in which the Obama/Biden railroad plans on shooting to shut me and my claims against Barack Obama and the Bidens up once and for all. That’s right, the scheduling order by the New Castle County Delaware Superior Court (Biden Country), and Joseph R. Biden III Delawares Attorney General has set 9/11/08 as the trial date for me and the charge of “Theft” which the office of Joseph R. Biden III knows full well to be an abuse of his office.

So now the presumptuous Democratic Presidential and Vice Presidential nominee’s intend to use September 11, 2008 to try and silence the truthful charges made against Barack Obama. It isn’t enough that these guys had an arrest made in DC without ever producing a warrant, or a US District Judge held me without ever showing warrant in court. It is not enough that Delaware knows the charges they filed against me i a sealed Grand Jury are bogus, or that they assisted the Delaware News-Journal and web bloggers in publishing false charges about the matter, it is not enough that Delaware has cost me an my supporters more than $8000.00 to date on this fabricated charge and attempted to help Daddy’s new boss! These are crimes in and of themselves people.

Do I have faith in the American Justice system? YES.

Do I have faith in the “You scratch my back, I scratch yours” political environment in Biden Country? NO DOUBT AT ALL THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE BIDEN DICTATED DOWN TO THE TRIAL JUDGE (Who by the way, will not be known to us until September 11, 2008.)



Does the Delaware Attorney General comply with the laws he is sworn to uphold and enforce? NO.

Does Joseph R. Biden II need to answer for his using false information to have me arrested and have SSA discontinue my benefits in a 24 hour time period? YES.

Does Joseph R. Biden III need to answer to why his office has continue to push a charge that THEY know is without merit and lacking of any criminal intent or basis? YES.

Is Delaware bringing this matter in an effort to assist Barack Obama shut me up? YOU BET YOUR ASS THEY ARE.

Here is a link to the first article I posted on the Delaware Attorney Generals actions:

http://larrysinclair0926.com/2522.html?entryId=44db94b9f652e0cb63e4b5eae104e78f

Below is an interesting argument by another blogger who has been following this story from the beginning:

I guess we now know who John McCain’s choice will be as Vice President in a guard from his Vietnam POW days beating on American Soldiers as Barack Obama has chosen his chief thug whose family has been joyously bashing, torturing and terrorizing a gay invalid in Lawrence Sinclair.

I had honestly thought Biden had shot his wad when David Plouffe took over for David Axelrod in dealing with Lawrence Sinclair and “smilin‘ Joe” decided not to bribe Mr. Sinclair, but to send in the storm troopers in everyone from the Federal Marshal’s, DC Police, Social Security and the entire state of Delaware justice system led by his bouncing baby boy, Beau Biden was complete overkill like nuking an ant.
Apparently though, the stomach turns both ways like in the mafia, because when Barry Obama came asking for a favor, Joe Biden made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.

“It’s like this Barry. I get your sodomite keester out of hot water by tossing Lawrence Sinclair in prison and you make me Master of the Obama plantation or I happen to pass this onto the FBI and you end up in prison.
You may kiss the ring now”, quote the Biden.

For Barack Obama to choose Biden is simply Watergate suicidal. For Biden to willingly jump on a ticket considering the outright un-American thuggery he has had his boy carrying out against Lawrence Sinclair in the biggest gay bashing in history, is just begging for impeachment and prison time for him.

For a review of Joe Biden’s accomplishments:

1. He had the Delaware Attorney General’s office create a bogus Grand Jury indictment.

2. He had the DC police illegally arrest and detain Lawrence Sinclair.

3. While in custody he deprived Mr. Sinclair of his needed medications as he has a brain tumor.

4. While in custody he had the DC police “loose” Mr. Sinclair so legal counsel could not find him.

5. While in custody he deprived Mr. Sinclair of phone access.

6. While in custody he had the Federal Attorney attempt to hold Mr. Sinclair indefinitely on outrageously high bail.

All of those facts are human rights violations against international law which belong in The Hague.

Out of custody, Joe Biden, as this was coming out of Delaware was sending out forged legal papers to Social Security to get Mr. Sinclair’s benefits cancelled which he depends on and then had him terrorized in threatening to make him repay all benefits.

Out of custody, the Delaware Attorney General’s office has been seeding false stories into the press.

Out of custody, the Delaware Attorney General’s office via Susan Dwyer has refused to provide Mr. Sinclair’s legal counsel with evidence of charges which they are illegally quoting to the press.

Currently, Joe Biden, via his son, Delaware Attorney General and the above deputy, Susan Dwyer, are attempting to imprison Mr. Sinclair for life on a misdemeanor, blackmailing him to plead guilty on the twisting of the law “he is a career criminal”.
That charge is meant for criminals who are committing ceaseless crimes in the said state in violent crimes, not for petty theft. (Note Mr. Sinclair has shown proof there was no crime in Delaware and in fact by the outrageous “check cashing charges” he was made to pay he in this is the victim which Delaware should be investigating.)”

Read the entire article here: http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/sinclair-joins-obama-biden-ticket.html

Logical
08-24-2008, 08:31 PM
Being as so many polls were finalized Sunday lets at least see them all.

<table style="width: 600px;" class="table-races" id="table-1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="600"><tbody><tr><td style="width: 160px;" bgcolor="#cccccc">Race</td><td style="width: 150px;" bgcolor="#cccccc">Poll</td><td style="width: 185px;" bgcolor="#cccccc">Results</td><td style="width: 115px;" bgcolor="#cccccc">Spread</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Gallup Tracking (http://www.gallup.com/poll/109753/Gallup-Daily-McCain-Obama-Tied-45.aspx)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama 45, McCain 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Tie</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#cccccc">National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Rasmussen Tracking (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama 48, McCain 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama +3</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Virginia (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/va/virginia_mccain_vs_obama-551.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">PPP (D) (http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/08/virginia-president-and-senate.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">McCain 45, Obama 47 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/va/virginia_mccain_vs_obama-551.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama +2</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#cccccc">National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">ABC News/Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/postpoll_082308.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama 49, McCain 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama +4</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/obama_vs_mccain_with_barr_nader-957.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">ABC News/Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/postpoll_082308.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama 48, McCain 42, Nader 3, Barr 3 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/obama_vs_mccain_with_barr_nader-957.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama +6</td></tr></tbody></table>

Portlantis
08-24-2008, 08:36 PM
Being as so many polls were finalized Sunday lets at least see them all.

<table style="width: 600px;" class="table-races" id="table-1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="600"><tbody><tr><td style="width: 160px;" bgcolor="#cccccc">Race</td><td style="width: 150px;" bgcolor="#cccccc">Poll</td><td style="width: 185px;" bgcolor="#cccccc">Results</td><td style="width: 115px;" bgcolor="#cccccc">Spread</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Gallup Tracking (http://www.gallup.com/poll/109753/Gallup-Daily-McCain-Obama-Tied-45.aspx)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama 45, McCain 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Tie</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#cccccc">National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Rasmussen Tracking (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama 48, McCain 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama +3</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Virginia (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/va/virginia_mccain_vs_obama-551.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">PPP (D) (http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/08/virginia-president-and-senate.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">McCain 45, Obama 47 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/va/virginia_mccain_vs_obama-551.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama +2</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#cccccc">National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">ABC News/Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/postpoll_082308.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama 49, McCain 45 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)</td><td bgcolor="#cccccc">Obama +4</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">National (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/obama_vs_mccain_with_barr_nader-957.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">ABC News/Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/postpoll_082308.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama 48, McCain 42, Nader 3, Barr 3 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/obama_vs_mccain_with_barr_nader-957.html)</td><td bgcolor="#e5e5e5">Obama +6</td></tr></tbody></table>

Wait a minute... You're showing all the polls instead of just cherry picking the ones that bolster your argument? How dare you?

BigCatDaddy
08-24-2008, 08:43 PM
I only VP either one could have picked and gotten a huge bounce would have been Hillary and that would have sealed the election for Obama. Now it's basically a coin flip. McCain might get a mild bounce from Romney, but I don't see anyone else providing a significant bounce that's currently on the radar.

dirk digler
08-24-2008, 08:46 PM
I think the primary schedule is bad for the Republicans. This week is going to be a full-on Democrat love-fest. I think the public will be about worn out with being beaten over the head with politics by next weekend. Full burnout will probably happen right before the GOP convention, without enough time to refresh and get interested again.

Advantage: Dems

I agree and whoever was the genius that scheduled McCain's speech to go against the NFL well he did us all a favor.

Does anyone want to make a friendly wager that the NFL ratings will be higher than McCain's?

RINGLEADER
08-24-2008, 08:52 PM
Polls don't mean a whole lot at this point. The last month you'll get an idea of who's in the driver's seat. The only thing that these polls will show is if Obama's support has maxed out but I suspect he'll get a 7-10 point bounce (maybe bigger if he's able to address fears of his inexperience and personality). McCain will get the same thing and then they'll slug it out until the election with whoever makes the fewest mistakes having the best chance.

The wild card is going to be if anything exists that shows that Obama can't be trusted. One video nodding to a Rev. Wright speech or saying something inflammatory next to Louis Farrakhan and it's over.

Then again, McCain could blow a gasket when someone asks how many limos he has or something.

Either way the polls don't mean a whole lot at this point.

Taco John
08-24-2008, 09:06 PM
This thread is petty.

dirk digler
08-24-2008, 09:06 PM
McCain's speech will be directly after the game... RNC and NBC worked out a deal... if anything it will help McCain because all of those people will already have their tv on, and will just go right to the speech.

It's supposed to be at 10 pm/et... McCain will delay speech if game goes long.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/politics/would_mccain_delay_speech_if_nfl_game_goes_long_90965.asp?c=rss

Thanks I just caught that as well and noticed they moved the game up 1 hour. Damn lucky break for McCain. I hope it goes into OT and ends in a tie. :D

Hey I thought NBC was in the tank for Obama why did they help out McCain? :)

Ultra Peanut
08-24-2008, 09:10 PM
OOPS DENISE DOESN'T GET POLLS OOOOPS

dirk digler
08-24-2008, 09:16 PM
90 Minutes early...

A lot of Virginia voters will be watching the game because of the Redskins... they will go right into the McCain speech right at 10. Plus I bet they do a lot of advertising for it during the game.

This should help McCain, not hurt.

I noticed they moved up the kickoff concert to 2:00pm but it will only be on NFLN.

I agree it should help McCain except for the fans of the losing team who will undoubtedly be crying and bitching after the game.

Logical
08-24-2008, 09:23 PM
...

So do CNN/Fox News/MSNBC play the conventions all of the time, and ABC/NBC/CBS/Fox just play primetime?Probably

jAZ
08-25-2008, 02:25 AM
Not than Obama wouldn't take a bounce in the polls if it occured, but seriously. Do you really think that was the priorty given that they waited until after midnight on Friday night to annouce the selection? Maybe among the stumbling drunk crowd and the sitting at home on Friday afternoon crowd. But I wonder what % of those polled had any idea that Obama had named a VP at all?

They rammed this up against the Convention, they obviously (either though planning or falied planning) had no expectation of a "bounce".

The pick of Biden is designed to dig into McCain over time as that "smiling bulldog".

Ultra Peanut
08-25-2008, 05:39 AM
Hey Denise, here's a photo of YOUR MAN Chuck Hagel in October (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/24/AR2008082402204.html):

http://i35.tinypic.com/fm5ds5.jpg

What did Chuck Hagel know, and when did he know it? Way back in October -- when Joe Biden was still running for president -- the Nebraska Republican senator burst into a Senate Foreign Relations Committee meeting on Halloween wearing a custom-made Biden mask and campaign T-shirt. Much hilarity ensued. Hagel gave his pal a photo inscribed, "Joe, I always make you look good"; Biden proclaimed, "Hagel for vice president!"

dirk digler
08-25-2008, 06:15 AM
So do CNN/Fox News/MSNBC play the conventions all of the time, and ABC/NBC/CBS/Fox just play primetime?

Yep. I went and looked and ABC/NBC/CBS start their coverage at 9PM CST and the others and probably CSPAN will show it all day long

Chief Henry
08-25-2008, 08:31 AM
[QUOTE=J Diddy;4942815]I find it amusing that these fuqtards need to post any and everything that make them feel better. QUOTE]


That is a PERFECT discription of the Obama supporters :D

penguinz
08-25-2008, 08:40 AM
McCain's speech will be directly after the game... RNC and NBC worked out a deal... if anything it will help McCain because all of those people will already have their tv on, and will just go right to the speech.

It's supposed to be at 10 pm/et... McCain will delay speech if game goes long.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/politics/would_mccain_delay_speech_if_nfl_game_goes_long_90965.asp?c=rss

Can he stay awake that late?

RINGLEADER
08-25-2008, 08:41 AM
Not than Obama wouldn't take a bounce in the polls if it occured, but seriously. Do you really think that was the priorty given that they waited until after midnight on Friday night to annouce the selection? Maybe among the stumbling drunk crowd and the sitting at home on Friday afternoon crowd. But I wonder what % of those polled had any idea that Obama had named a VP at all?

They rammed this up against the Convention, they obviously (either though planning or falied planning) had no expectation of a "bounce".

The pick of Biden is designed to dig into McCain over time as that "smiling bulldog".

Good analysis. Agree completely.

Dick Bull
08-25-2008, 08:55 AM
[quote=J Diddy;4942815]I find it amusing that these fuqtards need to post any and everything that make them feel better. QUOTE]


That is a PERFECT discription of the Obama supporters :D

you could have tried the "if it don't fit you must acquit defense," you could have tried the "chewbacca defense," instead you went wit the "I know you are but what am I defense"

:doh!:

Chief Henry
08-25-2008, 10:41 AM
Your discription of the OBOTS are perfect though. Kudo's to you.