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Ari Chi3fs
08-25-2008, 02:44 PM
VP Candidate Biden Is No Friend to File Sharing, Net Neutrality Protection or Online Privacy (http://gizmodo.com/5041044/vp-candidate-biden-is-no-friend-to-file-sharing-net-neutrality-protection-or-online-privacy)

<!-- google_ad_section_start --> http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/08/Biden_Vs_BitTorrent.jpgCNet's Declan McCullagh wrote up an informative history of Joe Biden's tech-related voting record (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080824/tc_cnet/83011357831002416338)--if Biden's name rings a bell, it's because he's the guy Barack Obama picked to be his vice president last Friday night (http://valleywag.com/5040848/obama-picks-biden-lets-cnn-tell-supporters). Maybe you don't care about the doings in Washington, but you may want to know that Biden considers a lot of what you do care about criminal activity. Here's what I'm talking about:
• He asked Congress to spend $1 billion to monitor peer-to-peer activity. (In fairness, much of this is to prevent child pornography, but the tactic is apparently a little blunt.)
• Two Biden bills have been explicitly anti-encryption, because you know, encryption makes it hard for the FBI to read people's e-mails.
• He has expressed support for internet taxes and internet filtering in schools and libraries.
• The RIAA seems to be one of his best buddies: Biden sponsored a bill that would restrict recording of songs from satellite and net radio, and another one that would make it a felony to "trick" a computer into playing back unauthorized songs or running bootlegged videogames. That latter one died when Verizon, Microsoft, Apple, eBay and Yahoo all argued against it.
• Biden was one of just four senators invited to attend a celebration of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act hosted by the MPAA's Jack Valenti and the RIAA's Hillary Rosen, two of American file-sharer's most wanted.
• When he was asked in 2006 about proposing net-neutrality laws, he said there was no need, since any bit-filtering violations would provoke such a huge public ruckus they'd have to hold congressional hearings anyway--and they'd be standing-room only. (Wonder if Biden reads Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/tag/net-neutrality).) [CNet (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080824/tc_cnet/83011357831002416338)]

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 02:45 PM
VP Candidate Biden Is No Friend to File Sharing, Net Neutrality Protection or Online Privacy (http://gizmodo.com/5041044/vp-candidate-biden-is-no-friend-to-file-sharing-net-neutrality-protection-or-online-privacy)

<!-- google_ad_section_start --> http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/08/Biden_Vs_BitTorrent.jpgCNet's Declan McCullagh wrote up an informative history of Joe Biden's tech-related voting record (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080824/tc_cnet/83011357831002416338)--if Biden's name rings a bell, it's because he's the guy Barack Obama picked to be his vice president last Friday night (http://valleywag.com/5040848/obama-picks-biden-lets-cnn-tell-supporters). Maybe you don't care about the doings in Washington, but you may want to know that Biden considers a lot of what you do care about criminal activity. Here's what I'm talking about:
• He asked Congress to spend $1 billion to monitor peer-to-peer activity. (In fairness, much of this is to prevent child pornography, but the tactic is apparently a little blunt.)
• Two Biden bills have been explicitly anti-encryption, because you know, encryption makes it hard for the FBI to read people's e-mails.
• He has expressed support for internet taxes and internet filtering in schools and libraries.
• The RIAA seems to be one of his best buddies: Biden sponsored a bill that would restrict recording of songs from satellite and net radio, and another one that would make it a felony to "trick" a computer into playing back unauthorized songs or running bootlegged videogames. That latter one died when Verizon, Microsoft, Apple, eBay and Yahoo all argued against it.
• Biden was one of just four senators invited to attend a celebration of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act hosted by the MPAA's Jack Valenti and the RIAA's Hillary Rosen, two of American file-sharer's most wanted.
• When he was asked in 2006 about proposing net-neutrality laws, he said there was no need, since any bit-filtering violations would provoke such a huge public ruckus they'd have to hold congressional hearings anyway--and they'd be standing-room only. (Wonder if Biden reads Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/tag/net-neutrality).) [CNet (http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080824/tc_cnet/83011357831002416338)]


The more I read about Biden, the less I like him. And the less I can vote for Obama. As if Obama didn't already have enough issues as it is.


This election blows.

Ari Chi3fs
08-25-2008, 02:48 PM
Obama is a cousin of Dick Cheney
McCain is in the pocket of the War Machine.

This is the end of innocence. Shit is about to get real ugly.

HolmeZz
08-25-2008, 02:51 PM
Meh. Don't like most of that, but the last point sums up why I don't think it matters.

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 02:52 PM
Meh. Don't like most of that, but the last point sums up why I don't think it matters.

What about his thoughts on the War on Drugs?

dirk digler
08-25-2008, 02:54 PM
Meh. Don't like most of that, but the last point sums up why I don't think it matters.

I agree. I definitely don't like those stances at all but hey I don't Obama's stance on immigration either. There is no perfect candidate.

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 02:55 PM
What about his thoughts on the War on Drugs?


good in principle hard to enforce

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 02:56 PM
good in principle hard to enforce

You like his stance on the War on Drugs?

The War on Drugs is a horrible principle.

dirk digler
08-25-2008, 03:02 PM
If we put the military on the borders like they should be we could immediately stop illegal immigration and stop 90% of the drugs coming into this country. To bad no one has the balls to do that.

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 03:06 PM
If we put the military on the borders like they should be we could immediately stop illegal immigration and stop 90% of the drugs coming into this country. To bad no one has the balls to do that.

I'm with you on the immigration issue. However, I just don't see the drug issue.

HolmeZz
08-25-2008, 03:06 PM
What about his thoughts on the War on Drugs?

Don't care for the War on Drugs, but that's an issue that's so far down the list of things I care about I can't even get riled up about it. It doesn't effect me because I don't do drugs and I really don't have any strong opposition to cracking down on hard drugs. I'd definitely like to see some lax on marijuana laws because it's not in the same ballpark as other drugs it gets lumped in with.

dirk digler
08-25-2008, 03:11 PM
I'm with you on the immigration issue. However, I just don't see the drug issue.

IIRC 90-95% of the drugs that are imported illegally into the US come across the Mexican border

Cave Johnson
08-25-2008, 03:43 PM
I don't like Biden's vote for the 2005 bankrupcy bill (but he's from DE, so it's understandable). But I seriously doubt the 65 year old Biden will have much sway in terms of Obama's tech policies.

Donger
08-25-2008, 03:46 PM
I don't like Biden's vote for the 2005 bankrupcy bill (but he's from DE, so it's understandable). But I seriously doubt the 65 year old Biden will have much sway in terms of Obama's tech policies.

What are Barack Hussein's tech policies? Does he agree with Biden?

mlyonsd
08-25-2008, 03:47 PM
What are Barack Hussein's tech policies? Does he agree with Biden?

Stricter tire pressure regulation laws.

DeezNutz
08-25-2008, 03:47 PM
What are Barack Hussein's tech policies? Does he agree with Biden?

Pro-text message.

Donger
08-25-2008, 03:50 PM
Here:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/26/qa-with-senator-barack-obama-on-key-technology-issues/

dirk digler
08-25-2008, 03:52 PM
Here:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/26/qa-with-senator-barack-obama-on-key-technology-issues/

I knew some of those but I have to say I agree with everyone one of those positions.

The expanded visa idea comes from Bill Gates who has been pushing that for some time as other tech CEO's have.

Cave Johnson
08-25-2008, 03:55 PM
Here:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/26/qa-with-senator-barack-obama-on-key-technology-issues/

I was going to post that link, but only if you agreed to refrain from your "Hussein" sthick for 1 day.

Cave Johnson
08-25-2008, 04:10 PM
Equal time, here's McCain's stances on net neutrality and piracy.

Piracy

“While the Internet has provided tremendous opportunity for the creators of copyrighted works, including music and movies, to distribute their works around the world at low cost, it has also given rise to a global epidemic of piracy,” reads his plan. “John McCain supports efforts to crack down on piracy, both on the Internet and off.”

http://headonradionetwork.com/blog/2008/08/17/mccain-no-net-neutrality-need-piracy-crackdown/

Net Neutrality

Arizona Sen. John McCain has announced that he opposes "net neutrality."

McCain appeared at the All Things Digital conference in Carlsbad, Calif., and said he did not think government regulation of internet service providers to stop them from censoring, slowing down, or otherwise disrupting consumer’s access to the internet in order to stifle competitors or undesirable content was an appropriate solution.

"When you control the pipe you should be able to get profit from your investment,” he said, according to TheDailyBackground.com.

Later, McCain said: "I’m all for the government encouraging competition, but I’ve found over time that less government involvement is better.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/3/224720.shtml

dirk digler
08-25-2008, 04:16 PM
Equal time, here's McCain's stances on net neutrality and piracy.

Piracy

“While the Internet has provided tremendous opportunity for the creators of copyrighted works, including music and movies, to distribute their works around the world at low cost, it has also given rise to a global epidemic of piracy,” reads his plan. “John McCain supports efforts to crack down on piracy, both on the Internet and off.”

http://headonradionetwork.com/blog/2008/08/17/mccain-no-net-neutrality-need-piracy-crackdown/

Net Neutrality

Arizona Sen. John McCain has announced that he opposes "net neutrality."

McCain appeared at the All Things Digital conference in Carlsbad, Calif., and said he did not think government regulation of internet service providers to stop them from censoring, slowing down, or otherwise disrupting consumer’s access to the internet in order to stifle competitors or undesirable content was an appropriate solution.

"When you control the pipe you should be able to get profit from your investment,” he said, according to TheDailyBackground.com.

Later, McCain said: "I’m all for the government encouraging competition, but I’ve found over time that less government involvement is better.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/3/224720.shtml

He sucks ass on both issues

patteeu
08-25-2008, 04:18 PM
Equal time, here's McCain's stances on net neutrality and piracy.

Piracy

“While the Internet has provided tremendous opportunity for the creators of copyrighted works, including music and movies, to distribute their works around the world at low cost, it has also given rise to a global epidemic of piracy,” reads his plan. “John McCain supports efforts to crack down on piracy, both on the Internet and off.”

http://headonradionetwork.com/blog/2008/08/17/mccain-no-net-neutrality-need-piracy-crackdown/

Net Neutrality

Arizona Sen. John McCain has announced that he opposes "net neutrality."

McCain appeared at the All Things Digital conference in Carlsbad, Calif., and said he did not think government regulation of internet service providers to stop them from censoring, slowing down, or otherwise disrupting consumer’s access to the internet in order to stifle competitors or undesirable content was an appropriate solution.

"When you control the pipe you should be able to get profit from your investment,” he said, according to TheDailyBackground.com.

Later, McCain said: "I’m all for the government encouraging competition, but I’ve found over time that less government involvement is better.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/3/224720.shtml

That about proves it. Obama has selected a running mate that is every bit as ready to take our civil liberties away as McCain and the worst of the neocon Bushitlers!

dirk digler
08-25-2008, 04:20 PM
That about proves it. Obama has selected a running mate that is every bit as ready to take our civil liberties away as McCain and the worst of the neocon Bushitlers!

The big difference is Obama would be POTUS not Biden.

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 04:49 PM
I was going to post that link, but only if you agreed to refrain from your "Hussein" sthick for 1 day.


you ever seen that movie "distinguished gentleman" with eddie murphy, he wins by name recognition. that's their strategy

penguinz
08-25-2008, 04:53 PM
Obama has said from the start that he would like his VP to have some differing opinions than him. The he did not want a 'Yes man'.

Ultra Peanut
08-25-2008, 06:18 PM
ME SINGLE ISSUE VOTER

ME CUT OFF NOSE TO SPITE FACE

The more I read about Biden, the less I like him. And the less I can vote for Obama. As if Obama didn't already have enough issues as it is.


This election blows.You're joking, right? A VP with a few shitty positions is enough to make you take your ball and go home?

Obama is progressive and educated when it comes to net neutrality. His VP is not going to change that.

Bootlegged
08-25-2008, 06:19 PM
ME SINGLE ISSUE VOTER

ME CUT OFF NOSE TO SPITE FACE

You're joking, right? A VP with a few shitty positions is enough to make you take your ball and go homes?

Obama is progressive and educated when it comes to net neutrality. His VP is not going to change that.

Progressive and educated. It's just sooooo predictable.

Ultra Peanut
08-25-2008, 06:21 PM
Progressive and educated. It's just sooooo predictable.The truth sometimes is.

Donger
08-25-2008, 06:23 PM
Why is it that the default position of Barack Hussein supporters seems to be that the opposition doesn't support Barack Hussein because they are stupid?

I don't think that most of the folks following Barack Hussein are stupid; in fact, some are quite bright.

Bootlegged
08-25-2008, 06:25 PM
The truth sometimes is.


If you were really educated you would see how you are being played.

Ultra Peanut
08-25-2008, 06:29 PM
If you were really educated you would see how you are being played.Yes. Finding and supporting a candidate I actually agree with most of the time is far, far less enlightened than your apparent "pop in, say something monumentally retarded and easily disproved, leave" schtick.

Outside of SHTSPRAYER, rec, meme, and Mikey, you're pretty much the biggest chuckle**** in DC.

Bootlegged
08-25-2008, 06:34 PM
Yes. Finding and supporting a candidate I actually agree with most of the time is far, far less enlightened than your apparent "pop in, say something monumentally retarded and easily disproved, leave" schtick.

Outside of SHTSPRAYER, rec, meme, and Mikey, you're pretty much the biggest chuckle**** in DC.


I see you took the time to go back and add the last line. Glad to see you are thinking in between gonad checks.

Ultra Peanut
08-25-2008, 06:41 PM
I see you took the time to go back and add the last line. Glad to see you are thinking in between gonad checks.Ahahahaha. At least half of your responses to me contain tranny "jokes."

That is fresh ****ing ground, my friend, but might I suggest allowing people who are actually funny to tell them?

http://i38.tinypic.com/2ldwuwi.jpg

Der Flöprer
08-25-2008, 06:53 PM
Democrats are for big government. This isn't anything new. They want control over EVERYTHING. Of course, so do the Republicans. Except for money. They only want 10% of the population to have control of that though.

Otter
08-25-2008, 07:59 PM
This election blows.

And that sums up this election quiet well. Obama and McCain are both useless pieces of shit.


For the corporations, by the corporations..

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 08:29 PM
IIRC 90-95% of the drugs that are imported illegally into the US come across the Mexican border

I was saying I don't see drugs as being an issue. I know that they come from across the border. :p

irishjayhawk
08-25-2008, 08:30 PM
ME SINGLE ISSUE VOTER

ME CUT OFF NOSE TO SPITE FACE

You're joking, right? A VP with a few shitty positions is enough to make you take your ball and go home?

Obama is progressive and educated when it comes to net neutrality. His VP is not going to change that.

I cannot lie, I much prefer Obama to McCain but it really blows to some of the issues that I think are going to be important down the road.

What if Biden influences BO?

Ultra Peanut
08-25-2008, 10:20 PM
I cannot lie, I much prefer Obama to McCain but it really blows to some of the issues that I think are going to be important down the road.

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HolmeZz
08-25-2008, 10:22 PM
If there's any campaign who's going to understand the importance of the internet, it's going to be Obama's.

J Diddy
08-25-2008, 10:25 PM
If there's any campaign who's going to understand the importance of the internet, it's going to be Obama's.


hey now
McCain embraces technology
he bought the first automobile

yes sir that maverick

patteeu
08-26-2008, 07:09 AM
I cannot lie, I much prefer Obama to McCain but it really blows to some of the issues that I think are going to be important down the road.

What if Biden influences BO?

Don't worry about that. He's just window dressing designed to appeal to white democrats and people who think Barack looks like he needs to be carded to buy beer.

irishjayhawk
08-26-2008, 10:36 AM
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I hadn't heard the back seat to no one. But then again, he can change...

If there's any campaign who's going to understand the importance of the internet, it's going to be Obama's.

Oh, no doubt.