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Stinger
08-26-2008, 12:24 PM
:hmmm:

Obama, Clinton camps working on hotel roll-call vote

By Chuck Plunkett and Allison Sherry and Kimberly Johnson
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 08/26/2008 10:58:39 AM MDT

Supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton furiously circulated petitions on the floor of the Democratic National Convention last night, hoping to stave off a plan to hold the convention's roll call at breakfast Wednesday — out of the public eye — sources inside the delegations said.

The move being worked out between the Obama campaign and officials behind Clinton's suspended bid, would work in two parts: Delegates would cast votes at their hotels Wednesday morning; that night, at the Pepsi Center convention site, the roll-call process would rely on the votes cast that morning, the delegates said.

Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette, a former state co-chair for Clinton said she knows the camps are in negotiations about what to do.

"My view is we need to come together as a party," DeGette said. "I admire Hillary Clinton greatly, but I think it would be divisive to have a vote on the floor. We need to have a unanimous vote."

The evening event would call on the delegation from Illinois, which Obama serves as the junior senator, and then move to New York, which Clinton represents.

After New York delegates applaud Clinton's long-fought and historic candidacy, a motion would be made to accept the votes cast at breakfast.

The move is being resisted by some Clinton delegates, who are busy tonight circulating a petition among delegates as the opening night of the convention, titled "One Nation," gets underway.

"We just want a roll call like you're supposed to have," said one of the delegates collecting signatures for the petition, who asked not to be named because of concern about friction within the party.

The Obama campaign denied that there would be a change.

"This is not true," Jennifer Backus, a senior advisor, said in an email in response to a question about the negotiations for the roll call change.

David Harper of Macon County, Tenn., signed a petition to ensure a floor vote in the hall surrounding the Pepsi Center.

"I came out here by God to vote for her, and I'm going to do it," Harper said, visibly angry about the news.

Kelly Jacobs a die-hard Clinton supporter from Hernando, Miss., an area that went heavily for Clinton, stood in the hall collecting signatures. She said the Clinton backers need 800 to secure a floor vote.

Anything less than that, Jacobs said, would be an insult to her candidate.

"I could have voted from home," Jacobs said. "She is our captain. We don't want to see her disrespected."

She was furious, she said, when she learned this morning that the votes may be held at the delegate hotels instead of on the convention hall floor.

"That's not what we learned in civics class," Jacobs said.

Texas delegate Tory Lauterbach said she has heard about the petition, but is unsure if she will sign it.

"I think the votes should be cast and counted the way they have been historically," she said. "But I don't think every delegate needs to stand and say something. I want a good convention."

So does Sally Phillips of Tampa, Fla. She said that although she is a Clinton supporter, she will undoubtedly support Obama because she doesn't want another Republican in the White House.

"I think the world of her," Phillips said. "I've seen the petition but I'm not going to focus on that."

The discussions come after a long summer in which Clinton delegates have argued for a chance to be heard during the convention. The party wants unity, and the announcement made by Obama and Clinton last week that a floor vote would occur was meant to provide that opportunity.

Denver Post Staff Writer Jessica Fender contributed to this report.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10301038?source=rss

ROYC75
08-26-2008, 12:28 PM
:shake:

Chief Henry
08-26-2008, 12:30 PM
ROFL

The dems are having buyers remorse...

Pitt Gorilla
08-26-2008, 12:33 PM
ROFL

The dems are having buyers remorse...It doesn't appear that way at all. Did you read the article?

Donger
08-26-2008, 12:34 PM
So secretive.

alanm
08-26-2008, 12:34 PM
Supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton furiously circulated petitions on the floor of the Democratic National Convention last night, hoping to stave off a plan to hold the convention's roll call at breakfast Wednesday — out of the public eye — sources inside the delegations said.
What are they trying to hide? :hmmm:

ROYC75
08-26-2008, 12:40 PM
House full of spooks ? Scared to do something in the open ........

Stinger
08-26-2008, 12:44 PM
ROFL

The dems are having buyers remorse...

It doesn't appear that way at all. Did you read the article?

I am not sure about buyers remorse but do they not want the vote to be shown because it might have been closer than expected? :shrug: If by some way that might be harmful to his campaign over the next few months?

Let me clarify that I believe that Obama did win the nomination and that can't be disputed but why not let "Every vote count" in public so to speak?

ROYC75
08-26-2008, 12:48 PM
Obot and Obots are scared the convention will get into a he said / she said disagreement amongst the delegates on TV, it would soil the DNC image and it's bid for the POTUS.

BigCatDaddy
08-26-2008, 12:54 PM
“Politics of Secrecy” Now that’s change you can believe in!

ROYC75
08-26-2008, 12:58 PM
“Politics of Secrecy” Now that’s change you can believe in!
ROFL

Chief Henry
08-26-2008, 12:58 PM
It doesn't appear that way at all. Did you read the article?

Why else would they not want the vote to be public ? They want to hide something.

Taco John
08-26-2008, 01:02 PM
I wonder if the Republicans will allow a roll call vote on the floor? I can tell you this, it wouldn't be unanimous.

Stinger
08-26-2008, 01:18 PM
I wonder if the Republicans will allow a roll call vote on the floor? I can tell you this, it wouldn't be unanimous.

As far as I know, take that FWIW, it has always been done on the floor and have not heard of it being different this year. I believe in recent conventions that either party has not seen a unanimous vote for one candidate, but a landslide in some of them.

Just curious why are you mentioning the Republican vote it is not till next week? I am sure we will discuss that in depth as well. Any comment on why the Democrats would not want a publicly shown vote and try to do this another way?