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HonestChieffan
08-27-2008, 10:29 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/AR2008082603921_pf.html

Many Clinton Supporters Say Speech Didn't Heal Divisions

By Eli Saslow
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 27, 2008; A01



DENVER, Aug. 26 -- Hillary Rodham Clinton's most loyal delegates came to the Pepsi Center on Tuesday night looking for direction. They listened, rapt, to a 20-minute speech that many proclaimed the best she had ever delivered, hoping her words could somehow unwind a year of tension in the Democratic Party. But when Clinton stepped off the stage and the standing ovation faded into silence, many of her supporters were left with a sobering realization: Even a tremendous speech couldn't erase their frustrations.

Despite Clinton's plea for Democrats to unite, her delegates remained divided as to how they should proceed.

There was Jerry Straughan, a professor from California, who listened from his seat in the rafters and shook his head at what he considered the speech's predictability. "It's a tactic," he said. "Who knows what she really thinks? With all the missteps that have taken place, this is the only thing she could do. So, yes, I'm still bitter."

There was JoAnn Enos, from Minnesota, who digested Clinton's resounding endorsement of Barack Obama and decided that she, too, will move on and get behind him. "I'll vote for [Obama] in the roll call," she said, "because that's what Hillary wants."

There was Shirley Love, from West Virginia, who smiled at Clinton's composure, waved a button bearing her name and felt a renewed pang of regret that she had lost the nomination. "She deserves it," Love said. "That's the thing that sticks with you. Even if she can move on easily, that's not as easy for everybody else."

Most delegates agreed that Clinton's impassioned speech marked a step toward reconciliation. The crowd in the Pepsi Center stood to applaud almost every time she mentioned Obama by name.

John Burkett, a Pennsylvania delegate and staunch Clinton supporter, attached an Obama button to his shirt. A New Mexico delegate said the "H" on his shirt will be replaced with an "O" come Thursday.

"She hit it right out of the ballpark," said Terie Norelli, New Hampshire's House speaker. "I've never been prouder of a Democrat than I was tonight." Norelli said the speech made her want to work hard for Obama. "She said it better than I ever could have: Everything I worked for and that she worked for would be at risk if we do anything less."

But Clinton's performance fell far short of the panacea the Democratic Party had desperately hoped for, delegates said. Some worried that, after Clinton's public withdrawal, more voters might defect for Republican John McCain or simply stay home.

"I'm not going to vote for Obama. I'm not going to vote for McCain, either," said Blanche Darley, 65, a Texas delegate for Clinton. Darley wore a button saying "Obamination Scares the Hell Out of Me."

"We love her, but it's our vote if we don't trust him or don't like him," said Darley, who was a superdelegate for Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

Weeping, Dawn Yingling, a 44-year-old single mother from Indianapolis, said that the speech was "fabulous" but that she still isn't going to work for the Obama campaign. "She was fabulous, nothing less than I expected. It's hard to sit here and think about she would have accomplished. We're not stupid -- we're not going to vote for John McCain," she said. But she'll limit her campaigning to a House candidate. "It will take a Congress as well as a president. That's what I can do and be true to who I am."

For Clinton's supporters, it was difficult to accept her speech as the public finale of her campaign, because this moment once held such tremendous potential. Shelby Leary, a delegate from West Virginia, stood to watch a video tribute to Clinton's success as a trailblazer and then chanted "Hillary" for 30 seconds with the rest of the crowd. Anne Price, from Washington state, wore a dozen Clinton buttons and wiped tears from her eyes.

It seemed a particularly resonant moment Tuesday night, which marked both Women's Equality Day and the 88th anniversary of women's suffrage.

"There's no way this night couldn't be emotional," Leary said. "A lot of us loved campaigning for her, and it's hard to watch it end. But after something like this, you have to have an emotional end for people to come to terms with things."

Clinton said Tuesday night that it is Obama's convention. But many of her supporters came here exclusively to honor her. One group traveled from New York and built an impromptu museum commemorating Clinton's historic campaign. Another lighted thousands of candles in a park to symbolize her widespread support.

On Tuesday morning, hundreds of loyalists formed a 200-yard parade and marched through downtown. They shouted into loudspeakers and beat drums, creating a cacophony that echoed across the blocks. As they began marching, some of the supporters chanted, "We want a roll call." Many of them wore their opinions on T-shirts: Country Over Party. Damn, We Wish You Were President. Still Making History. Democrats Left Behind.

At the front of the parade route, one banner summarized their message: Hillary. Who Else?

"A lot of people came here just because they wanted to celebrate Hillary," said Elizabeth Fiechter, a New York City lawyer who helped organize the parade. "We get criticism because there's this idea that the election should move on and just leave her behind. We're not going down that quietly."

The week of festivities for Clinton delegates and supporters started Monday with a meet-and-greet, where some supporters learned that they differ from one another more than they originally thought. The most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll showed that only 42 percent of Clinton voters classify themselves as "solidly behind" Obama, and that 20 percent plan to vote for McCain. But in Denver, Clinton supporters sometimes classified themselves as belonging to one of two categories: the sad and the angry.

"It just makes me upset because Hillary would have been the perfect woman to do this job," said Katherine Vincent, from Colorado. "I'm a Democrat first, but it's just difficult to get over."

"I hate Obama so much that I'm going to devote as much time to McCain as I did to Hillary," said Adita Blanco, a Democrat from Edward, Okla., who has never voted for a Republican. "Obama has nothing. He has no experience. The Democratic Party doesn't care about us. You couldn't treat [Clinton] any worse."

Perhaps the best example of the persistent divide in the Democratic Party came after Clinton's speech Tuesday night. The lights went down in the Pepsi Center, and some influential Democrats left downtown for good. They planned to head for the airport and fly home, long before Obama accepts the nomination in a speech at Invesco Field on Thursday night.

Clinton will hold a private meeting with her top financial advisers Wednesday, and many donors plan to leave immediately afterward. Terence R. McAuliffe, Clinton's campaign chairman and the former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, also plans to leave before Obama's speech. Many of the women from 18 Million Voices, Fiechter's pro-Clinton group, booked tickets for Wednesday and Thursday because "we really are taking a position of being indifferent to Obama," Fiechter said.

Clinton's delegates inside the Pepsi Center had no choice but to stick around, at least until the end of Wednesday's roll call.

"I wish I could leave," said Straughan, the professor from California. "To be honest, that would make this whole thing a lot easier."

Staff writers Paul Kane, Alec MacGillis and Shailagh Murray contributed to this report.

ROYC75
08-27-2008, 10:31 AM
Obots unite, try again !

DaKCMan AP
08-27-2008, 10:35 AM
Obots unite, try again !

Nice. Comment about an article you didn't even read. On second thought, you wouldn't have been able to comprehend it anyway.

ROYC75
08-27-2008, 11:22 AM
Nice. Comment about an article you didn't even read. On second thought, you wouldn't have been able to comprehend it anyway.

What is my next move asshole ? Damn, you bitter today cause the democrat party is failing ?

Read, Uh, yes, this next line says it all, just as many of us on here has said would happen.........Despite Clinton's plea for Democrats to unite, her delegates remained divided as to how they should proceed.

Obotnation is not what they thought it would be with the Clintonites.....

Suddenly your boy don't walk on water anymore .

DaKCMan AP
08-27-2008, 12:41 PM
What is my next move asshole ? Damn, you bitter today cause the democrat party is failing ?

Read, Uh, yes, this next line says it all, just as many of us on here has said would happen.........Despite Clinton's plea for Democrats to unite, her delegates remained divided as to how they should proceed.

Obotnation is not what they thought it would be with the Clintonites.....

Suddenly your boy don't walk on water anymore .

That's wonderful and convincing empirical data you have there. :rolleyes:

ROYC75
08-27-2008, 12:57 PM
That's wonderful and convincing empirical data you have there. :rolleyes:

Damn, you Obots are a sensitive bunch, throw facts and truth back to them and they short circuit.ROFL

DaKCMan AP
08-27-2008, 01:03 PM
Damn, you Obots are a sensitive bunch, throw facts and truth back to them and they short circuit.ROFL

Hey nimrod, you didn't provide any facts and supplied the opposite of truth. We already know you're illiterate, but I wasn't aware of the depth of your idiocy.

ROYC75
08-27-2008, 01:16 PM
Hey nimrod, you didn't provide any facts and supplied the opposite of truth. We already know you're illiterate, but I wasn't aware of the depth of your idiocy.

Is your party united as we speak ? Is their turmoil amongst the ranks and voters ?

What more do you need ?

irishjayhawk
08-27-2008, 01:17 PM
KEEP AMERICAN VALUES AT BAY!!!

DaKCMan AP
08-27-2008, 01:23 PM
Is your party united as we speak ? Is their turmoil amongst the ranks and voters ?

What more do you need ?

Looked that way last night. Either way, a claim of unification or not is not fact. You haven't provided a single fact.

ROYC75
08-27-2008, 01:45 PM
Looked that way last night. Either way, a claim of unification or not is not fact. You haven't provided a single fact.


Take the rose colored glasses off and ear plugs plugs out, Hillary went thru the motions. Her own delegates see this, her voters, listen to them. If that is unity, the democrats are going to lose this election. The papers, internet feeds,political pundits feel this way.

Can Obama bring them in , the ones who are unhappy ? Some, some die hard will bolt, some will not vote. But to call that the party is unified is a mere hope at this time. The good thing is , you have time, Maybe Bill , Joe and Barrak can bring them in...... Time will tell.

DaKCMan AP
08-27-2008, 01:46 PM
Take the rose colored glasses off and ear plugs plugs out, Hillary went thru the motions. Her own delegates see this, her voters, listen to them. If that is unity, the democrats are going to lose this election. The papers, internet feeds,political pundits feel this way.

Can Obama bring them in , the ones who are unhappy ? Some, some die hard will bolt, some will not vote. But to call that the party is unified is a mere hope at this time. The good thing is , you have time, Maybe Bill , Joe and Barrak can bring them in...... Time will tell.

That's rich, coming from you.

Chief Henry
08-27-2008, 01:48 PM
Damn, you Obots are a sensitive bunch, throw facts and truth back to them and they short circuit.ROFL

Spot on there Ol' Roy...there panties are in a wad right now :D

BigCatDaddy
08-27-2008, 01:48 PM
Doesn't the empicial date show that 1/4 to 1/3 of Hillary supporters say they will vote McCain?

DaKCMan AP
08-27-2008, 01:59 PM
Spot on there Ol' Roy...there panties are in a wad right now :D

Another shining example of the lack of education and literacy on the right.

HonestChieffan
08-27-2008, 02:15 PM
Will only grow worse as the Biden effect takes place. In his over 30 years in Senate, never selected by peers to do anything, stands for Gun Control, and is almost as leftist as Obo, and is pro abortion....this will be good....

ROYC75
08-27-2008, 02:26 PM
Another shining example of the lack of education and literacy on the right.


Another perfect example of the left being so far left , they can't see the middle, much less the right .

Chiefnj2
08-27-2008, 02:46 PM
It's good to see that all of the potential Republican voters will be lock step behind McCain. I'm sure all of those Ron Paul supporters will fervently back Mr. POW.

BigCatDaddy
08-27-2008, 02:48 PM
But what did her body language say?


(CNN) What did Hillary Clinton's body language give away at the Democratic National Convention?

Dan Hill, a body language expert and author of "Face Time," told CNN that even while the words Clinton delivered offered an unequivocal endorsement of Barack Obama, her body language was much less affirmative.

"When she spoke about Obama, she really did not emote very much," Hill said. "The only thing she showed was a very weak smile, the cheeks didn't tend to lift very much, it was really almost what I would call a 'crocodile smile' where even the slight corners of the lips sometimes raise into a little bit of a smirk."

"I don't think that helped move the 30 percent of her supporters who say they won't vote for Obama," Hill added. "What she did do was appeal to voters at large, that she did more emotionally."

ROYC75
08-27-2008, 02:48 PM
It's good to see that all of the potential Republican voters will be lock step behind McCain. I'm sure all of those Ron Paul supporters will fervently back Mr. POW.

Paul will make a stink, but nothing like the Clintonites can / will .

J Diddy
08-27-2008, 03:06 PM
But what did her body language say?


(CNN) What did Hillary Clinton's body language give away at the Democratic National Convention?

Dan Hill, a body language expert and author of "Face Time," told CNN that even while the words Clinton delivered offered an unequivocal endorsement of Barack Obama, her body language was much less affirmative.

"When she spoke about Obama, she really did not emote very much," Hill said. "The only thing she showed was a very weak smile, the cheeks didn't tend to lift very much, it was really almost what I would call a 'crocodile smile' where even the slight corners of the lips sometimes raise into a little bit of a smirk."

"I don't think that helped move the 30 percent of her supporters who say they won't vote for Obama," Hill added. "What she did do was appeal to voters at large, that she did more emotionally."


are you serious?
:doh!:

ROYC75
08-27-2008, 03:11 PM
are you serious?
:doh!:

It is a current article ..... Plus pundits across the country are speaking of this today .

BigCatDaddy
08-27-2008, 03:14 PM
are you serious?
:doh!:

Me? I'm not a body language expert. I can only rely on the opinion of an expert.