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cookster50
08-28-2008, 12:05 PM
Not sure if we have many fantasy fans here, but for anyone that has read the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind(first 3-4 great, then got preachy), a tv series loosely based on the books starts November 1st.
http://www.legendoftheseeker.com/

The trailor looks good, but it is a real brief look. The fact that the producers of Hercules and Xena are in on it scares me......

Fried Meat Ball!
11-11-2008, 01:46 PM
My wife and I watched the first episode last night on the DVR. It wasn't bad. Kim's a fan of the books, so she'll definitely keep watching. I told her last night I'd keep watching with her until I got bored.

keg in kc
11-11-2008, 02:43 PM
There's another thread on here somewhere, probably page 2 or 3. I'm too lazy to look it up.

The first two hours weren't bad, although they deviated pretty far from the books.

The third hour was awful.

unlurking
11-11-2008, 05:10 PM
I set it for TIVO, but have expectations of utter disappointment.

Jawshco
11-11-2008, 10:33 PM
I'm a huge fan of the Sword of Truth books, and a definite Raimi fan all the way back to the original Evil Dead days. So I'm going to keep watching this show and will hope it improves.

In the book, Goodkind describes Kahlan like some kind of sexual goddess of destruction- like Wonder Woman with her horns on. I mean she cuts off a bad guys balls and feeds it to him in the book, so that's too extreme for TV, but the TV Kahlan just seems unimpressive so far in comparison.

I like the Wizard and Richard is okay too. I guess I'll wait it out. Lord knows, when Bruce Campbell shows up- we'll know how liberal Raimi is willing to be with story. I don't mind them being campy with this series, it had it's funny moments in the books too. In fact, it could be campier if they wanted. I just want it to be interesting- I'll keep hopeful on that. I just wish that one of the stations would play it at a decent hour.

Jawshco
11-17-2008, 01:05 AM
Wow, the first two episodes were somewhat close to the book, but having seen the fourth episode, I'm wondering if they're going to be using the original story line at all. It's pretty much it's own continuity now. I guess that's okay. The horny wizard cracks me up. It's a lot different from the Wizard in the books who only boned the bone lady.

unlurking
11-17-2008, 04:09 AM
I'm guessing at this point, it's just run around the country side doing good deeds, occasionally fighting Rahl and his minions. I figure they'll progress along the plot line around the beginning and end of each season, if then. This is the knew Xena/Hercules, or a fantasy version of the A-Team.

cookster50
11-17-2008, 06:12 AM
Yeah, I'd love to see the books in movie form, no way it would work as a tv series. Anyone else really not like the actress playing Kahlan? Her little "half" smile or whatever is always on her face annoys me.

JD10367
04-26-2010, 05:09 PM
Apparently, this show has officially been cancelled.

Crying shame. Bridget Regan (Kahlan) and Tabrett Bethell (Cara) are incredibly hot, and it was worth tuning in every week just to see how they looked. :hump:

Jawshco
04-26-2010, 05:41 PM
Ah, man, really? That sucks. I don't love the show, but I'm with you about the chicks. That and Fantasy action always has me putting it on my DVR. They strayed sooo far from the books though. I guess that really alienated the Goodkind fan base. I don't know why... I've read all those books. They're Not some sacred work of art. A couple of them are down right stinkers.

JD10367
04-26-2010, 05:57 PM
Ah, man, really? That sucks. I don't love the show, but I'm with you about the chicks. That and Fantasy action always has me putting it on my DVR. They strayed sooo far from the books though. I guess that really alienated the Goodkind fan base. I don't know why... I've read all those books. They're Not some sacred work of art. A couple of them are down right stinkers.

First book ("Wizard's First Rule") was fucking awesome.

Second book ("Stone Of Tears") was really damn good.

Third book ("Blood Of The Fold") started to lose me a bit.

Fourth book ("Temple Of The Winds") was pretty good.

After that, it all became a blur. The only thing that stands out in my memory is the Domini Dirtch (sp?), because I loved the concept. But every book became the same. "Oh, look, Kahlan and Richard are finally together... No, but wait! They've been separated again!" And the rest of the 999 pages was them eventually working out the trouble and finishing the book together again. Lather, rinse, repeat.

If you're not familiar with Terry Brooks, read his "Shannara" series. They're pretty much "Tolkien For Dummies". But the smart thing Brooks does is move the story down the generations. The first book ("Sword of Shannara") is about two brothers (one of them's adopted, but you get the point). The second book ("Elfstones of Shannara") is about the son of one of the brothers. The third book ("Wishsong of Shannara") is about the children of that son. Et cetera. So it's the same idea playing out--magic, elves, trolls, gnomes, monsters--but it's different people and different quests.

Anyways, back to the series... At first I hated the idea that they played fast and loose with the book storylines. But as the series has gone on they've worked a lot of the book's storylines into the episodes (Rada Han, Sisters of the Light, etc.,.). So it's sort of like a retelling of the Goodkind universe, not just a recreation of the books. I didn't like the casting for Richard or Zedd at first but, as it's gone on, I've gotten used to them.

And I cannot stress how much I want to :hump: both Regan and Bethell. Holy crap. Bethell's got sexy eyes and BJ lips and looks ridiculously hot in the red leather, and Regan works the whole boobs and pale skin angle (I think she's actually a redhead but plays the part dark-haired). I hope they both find work again, and soon, which requires skin to be showing. :thumb:

keg in kc
04-27-2010, 10:36 AM
I watched most of the first season, because there just isn't any fantasy on TV, but never watched the second. Basically, it's a bad series of books, so I'm not surprised that it ended up being a bad TV series.

Thankfully winter is coming, and we get Game of Thrones in a year.

Jawshco
04-27-2010, 08:04 PM
I watched most of the first season, because there just isn't any fantasy on TV, but never watched the second. Basically, it's a bad series of books, so I'm not surprised that it ended up being a bad TV series.

I would disagree. Even if only 4 of the 11 books in the series are good and 3 are downright awful, I still say it's better than most fantasy series.

As far as the show is concerned, I think season 2 has been more entertaining than season 1, but it pissed off the fans of the books because some of the episodes are completely contrary to the main theme of the books.

But yeah, the show is all about the girls! That alone makes me hope another station picks it up.

Until then, I'll have to content myself with Merlin.

keg in kc
04-27-2010, 08:22 PM
I would disagree. Even if only 4 of the 11 books in the series are good and 3 are downright awful, I still say it's better than most fantasy series. It's all a matter of opinion and personal taste, but I've read a lot of fantasy, and I'd rate that series of books somewhere down toward the bottom of the pile, along with the Shannara series from Terry Brooks. There's a lot better fantasy out there, particularly in the last decade to fifteen years. In my opinion of course...

Mr Luzcious
04-28-2010, 01:19 AM
It's all a matter of opinion and personal taste, but I've read a lot of fantasy, and I'd rate that series of books somewhere down toward the bottom of the pile, along with the Shannara series from Terry Brooks. There's a lot better fantasy out there, particularly in the last decade to fifteen years. In my opinion of course...

What do you consider good fantasy?

cookster50
04-28-2010, 05:42 AM
What do you consider good fantasy?

Me, Anna Kournikova, Jessica Alba, and Alyssa Milano alone on an island........

patteeu
04-28-2010, 08:31 AM
Anyways, back to the series... At first I hated the idea that they played fast and loose with the book storylines. But as the series has gone on they've worked a lot of the book's storylines into the episodes (Rada Han, Sisters of the Light, etc.,.). So it's sort of like a retelling of the Goodkind universe, not just a recreation of the books. I didn't like the casting for Richard or Zedd at first but, as it's gone on, I've gotten used to them.

I read something from Goodkind about the series where he acknowledged that they had to change the storyline from what he had in his books in order to make it work as an episodic TV series but that he was on board with the changes. He said that fans of the books should continue to like the books for what they are and try to see the TV series as a fresh story with many of the same themes.

keg in kc
04-28-2010, 10:42 AM
What do you consider good fantasy?Just going off the top of my head, I'd probably say that Joe Abercrombie's First Law Trilogy, along with his 4th novel, Best Served Cold, which was also set in that universe, is a solid (dark) fantasy series. While it's not sword and sorcery in the traditional sense, I'd say Naomi Novik's Temeraire series is very good as well. It's basically what you get when you inject dragons into the middle of Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin series (which I coincidentally just began reading this year, finally, good stuff in its own right). Both Abercrombie's and Novik's series are very new, relatively speaking, beginning in 2006. Just a shade older than that is Gene Wolfe's Wizard Knight, a pair of novels that's a bit different from traditional fantasy (as one would expect from Wolfe...), but good as well, and a bit more accessible than some of his more popular books of the various Suns.

Going back to older fantasy, Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea series is fantastic, and I think you can see its influence all over modern fantasy. I've also long been a fan of Glen Cook's novels of the Black Company.

I always end up coming back to the old favorites as well, the more standard answers of GRRM's Song of Ice and Fire and Jordan's Wheel of Time, both of which I love, and both of which I've read 3 or 4 times now.

But there's really a lot out there, and I'm sure there are many good series that I've not even heard of yet. Just recently I started reading a series called The Prince of Nothing by R. Scott Bakker that looks like it might be a keeper.

Edit: Just realized I left out the urban fantasy. Big fan of Jim Butcher's Dresden Files. I haven't delved into any other urban fantasy settings yet.

Lurk
04-28-2010, 10:50 AM
I watched most of the first season, because there just isn't any fantasy on TV, but never watched the second. Basically, it's a bad series of books, so I'm not surprised that it ended up being a bad TV series.

Thankfully winter is coming, and we get Game of Thrones in a year.

Like the series, though the last book was week, and who knows when the next book will come out. But Martin is a total douche.

keg in kc
04-28-2010, 11:04 AM
Like the series, though the last book was week, and who knows when the next book will come out. But Martin is a total douche.If the hints he's giving away on his livejournal are at all valid, he's pretty close to finished. But who knows.

Mr Luzcious
04-28-2010, 01:14 PM
Just going off the top of my head, I'd probably say that Joe Abercrombie's First Law Trilogy, along with his 4th novel, Best Served Cold, which was also set in that universe, is a solid (dark) fantasy series. While it's not sword and sorcery in the traditional sense, I'd say Naomi Novik's Temeraire series is very good as well. It's basically what you get when you inject dragons into the middle of Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin series (which I coincidentally just began reading this year, finally, good stuff in its own right). Both Abercrombie's and Novik's series are very new, relatively speaking, beginning in 2006. Just a shade older than that is Gene Wolfe's Wizard Knight, a pair of novels that's a bit different from traditional fantasy (as one would expect from Wolfe...), but good as well, and a bit more accessible than some of his more popular books of the various Suns.

Going back to older fantasy, Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea series is fantastic, and I think you can see its influence all over modern fantasy. I've also long been a fan of Glen Cook's novels of the Black Company.

I always end up coming back to the old favorites as well, the more standard answers of GRRM's Song of Ice and Fire and Jordan's Wheel of Time, both of which I love, and both of which I've read 3 or 4 times now.

But there's really a lot out there, and I'm sure there are many good series that I've not even heard of yet. Just recently I started reading a series called The Prince of Nothing by R. Scott Bakker that looks like it might be a keeper.

Edit: Just realized I left out the urban fantasy. Big fan of Jim Butcher's Dresden Files. I haven't delved into any other urban fantasy settings yet.

Well I've read the Earthsea series but thats it so far..I'll have to look into some of those next. Thanks.

JD10367
04-28-2010, 05:02 PM
Edit: Just realized I left out the urban fantasy. Big fan of Jim Butcher's Dresden Files. I haven't delved into any other urban fantasy settings yet.

LOVED the series, LOVE the books. The actor who played Dresden was perfect for that role, IMO. It's such a unique voice: hardboiled pulp detective fiction meeds fantasy/wizardry.

JD10367
04-28-2010, 05:07 PM
I read something from Goodkind about the series where he acknowledged that they had to change the storyline from what he had in his books in order to make it work as an episodic TV series but that he was on board with the changes. He said that fans of the books should continue to like the books for what they are and try to see the TV series as a fresh story with many of the same themes.

Here's the thing about Goodkind: his initial vision was excellent. He has a way with the story, the characters of Richard and Kahlan were complicated and multifaceted, the fantasy was deep and intricate, the war scenes well done and with a tone of real-worldliness to them. I distinctly remember an early discussion between Zedd and Richard about good and evil, and Zedd explaining how it's all your point of view, how everyone thinks they're on the "right" side in a war, etc.,. And you can't go wrong with a chick who gets naked and paints herself white to ride into battle, with all her warriors doing the same, and when the general tells her shamefacedly that all the soldiers will have hard-ons if she's naked, she basically says that's even better, that a naked warrior with a hard-on running at the enemy with a sword will scare the shit out of them. :D

But Goodkind's problem is, like a one-hit wonder in the music industry, he didn't have the ability to flesh out much new territory. Books 2 ("Stone') and 4 ("Temple") were very good, but the rest were just sort of SSDD. In the first book or two, I cared deeply what happened; by the end of my reading them (I think I gave up somewhere around "Chain" or "Soul" or something), I really could give less of a shit about Richard and Kahlan any more 'cause I knew, no matter what, in the NEXT book he'd just figure out some new way to split them up again.