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donkhater
08-28-2008, 12:46 PM
It makes some good points and gives insight to why we have so many chicken littles on this board.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/08/28/leinart/1.html

cookster50
08-28-2008, 12:47 PM
Yes, Trent Dilfer is a shining example of the best QB ever...... BLAH

King_Chief_Fan
08-28-2008, 12:48 PM
It makes some good points and gives insight to why we have so many chicken littles on this board.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/08/28/leinart/1.html
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meaning we are afraid that Croyle could turn into Trent Dilfer?

donkhater
08-28-2008, 01:23 PM
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meaning we are afraid that Croyle could turn into Trent Dilfer?

Meaning that 6 starts behind a crappy O-line is hardly enough evidence to make a decision on the guy's future potential.

Rooster
08-28-2008, 01:26 PM
Meaning that 6 starts behind a crappy O-line is hardly enough evidence to make a decision on the guy's future potential.

But but but he sucks!!!! :rolleyes:

Chiefnj2
08-28-2008, 01:27 PM
"If you get to start your career with a couple years on the bench before you have to play, like a Tony Romo or a Steve McNair or a Chad Pennington, then you can judge them quickly when they get their chance to play. But to be thrown in the fire as a rookie quarterback in this league, and be judged on just your body of work for your first 16 games or so, that's ludicrous.''

Croyle falls between Pennington and McNair.

Deberg_1990
08-28-2008, 01:29 PM
Croyle deserves the whole year (seriously doubt he makes it though 16 games anyways)

But if this team only wins 1-3 games, how could you not want to draft a QB next year??

beach tribe
08-28-2008, 01:31 PM
Bash Dilfer if you want, but he's been to the probowl, and won a SB.

bogey
08-28-2008, 01:35 PM
I don't have a good feeling about Croyle or any of our other QB's. I do think Croyle needs more time to prove to me he that sucks though.

Skip Towne
08-28-2008, 01:39 PM
Even Lenny Dawson got bounced around before finally developing for us.

OnTheWarpath58
08-28-2008, 01:44 PM
Croyle deserves the whole year (seriously doubt he makes it though 16 games anyways)

But if this team only wins 1-3 games, how could you not want to draft a QB next year??

Depends on why we only win 1-3 games.

Are we losing games by less than 7 points every week?

Is the defense giving up 24+ PPG?

Does Croyle (and the rest of the offense) improve on a week-to-week basis?


IMO, it's not as cut and dried as saying, "well, we went 3-13, it MUST be all Croyle's fault."

This is going to be a bad TEAM.

Regardless of record, or a player's position, you should be looking for progression from week-to-week, not regression.

Those who progress, should be assured a spot in 2009. Those that don't?

Well, bye.

bishop_74
08-28-2008, 02:24 PM
Payton Manning

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 14 116 90.7 35 73 2.1 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1

Brodie Croyle
2008 ???????????????????????
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 9 6 127 224 56.7 1,227 5.5 6 6 17 101 69.9 7 18 2.6 0 4 3

King_Chief_Fan
08-28-2008, 02:28 PM
Is 2800 yards.......60% completions......and more TD's than Interceptions to much to ask of Croyle?

siberian khatru
08-28-2008, 02:28 PM
He deserves the full season for evaluation (health permitting). But I have not liked what I've seen so far this preseason. Protection issues and dropped balls aside, Brodie has twice missed wide-open receivers when he's had decent-to-good protection. With all the other problems we have, he CANNOT miss those rare opportunities to score when everything has lined up perfectly.

OnTheWarpath58
08-28-2008, 02:32 PM
Payton Manning

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 14 116 90.7 35 73 2.1 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1

Brodie Croyle
2008 ???????????????????????
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 9 6 127 224 56.7 1,227 5.5 6 6 17 101 69.9 7 18 2.6 0 4 3



The numbers are a lot closer than people give credit for.

Same completion percentage.

Almost the same passer rating.

Peyton had a 1 yard advantage in yards per attempt. Based on the averages, had Croyle attempted the 575 passes that Manning did, he would have thrown for 3162.5 yards.

The big difference is in TD's. Manning threw a TD pass every 22 attempts, while Croyle threw a TD every 37 attempts. Again based on an equal amount of attempts, Croyle would project at 15TD/15INT.

Bwana
08-28-2008, 02:35 PM
Payton Manning

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 14 116 90.7 35 73 2.1 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1

Brodie Croyle
2008 ???????????????????????
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 9 6 127 224 56.7 1,227 5.5 6 6 17 101 69.9 7 18 2.6 0 4 3

So Brodie is the next Payton?

BigMeatballDave
08-28-2008, 02:37 PM
Payton Manning

1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 14 116 90.7 35 73 2.1 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 22 109 71.2 15 62 4.1 0 3 1

Brodie Croyle
2008 ???????????????????????
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 9 6 127 224 56.7 1,227 5.5 6 6 17 101 69.9 7 18 2.6 0 4 3Hey. You can't compare BC to Peyton. I don't know why, its what the anti-BC people say...

BigMeatballDave
08-28-2008, 02:37 PM
So Brodie is the next Payton?

:doh!:

bishop_74
08-28-2008, 02:38 PM
He deserves the full season for evaluation (health permitting). But I have not liked what I've seen so far this preseason. Protection issues and dropped balls aside, Brodie has twice missed wide-open receivers when he's had decent-to-good protection. With all the other problems we have, he CANNOT miss those rare opportunities to score when everything has lined up perfectly.

Payton Manning
PTD INT RTD FM LST
1999 Indianapolis Colts 26 15 2 6 3
1998 Indianapolis Colts 26 28 0 3 1

Brodie Croyle
2008 ???????????????????????
2007 Kansas City Chiefs 6 6 0 4 3

BigMeatballDave
08-28-2008, 02:39 PM
Is 2800 yards.......60% completions......and more TD's than Interceptions to much to ask of Croyle?No, not at all.

Tits McGee
08-28-2008, 02:40 PM
With this coaching staff you need mad game before you get off the bus.
When was the last time the Chief's took an average player and coached in up to pro bowl caliber?

bishop_74
08-28-2008, 02:41 PM
So Brodie is the next Payton?

:shrug:
I'm just sayin'

King_Chief_Fan
08-28-2008, 02:45 PM
No, not at all.

let's set the bar there and see what happens

Micjones
08-28-2008, 02:50 PM
I stopped reading sometime after Trent Dilfer...
Career 70.2 QB Rating.
113 Career TD's, 129 Career INT's.

Yeah, we've got a lot to look forward to...

I'm really tired of hearing excuses for Brodie Croyle. Some fans are holding out all hope that what we've seen (or haven't) is simply too small a sample size to evaluate. Croyle in only six games hasn't had ample opportunity to have shown us all something. Really? Here's the first six-game stretch for 16 current NFL starting QB's.

Chad Pennington,
10 TD's 3 INT's
Game 1, 108.0 QB Rating
Game 2, 124.7 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.9 QB Rating
Game 4, 102.6 QB Rating
Game 6, 126.9 QB Rating

Brett Favre,
6 TD's 5 INT's
Game 1, 144.6 QB Rating
Game 2, 90.8 QB Rating
Game 5, 93.5 QB Rating

Tom Brady,
10 TD's 4 INT's
Game 3, 93.4 QB Rating
Game 4, 148.3 QB Rating
Game 6, 124.4 QB Rating

Ben Roethlisberger,
9 TD's 3 INT's
Game 2, 101.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 107.4 QB Rating
Game 4, 125.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 126.4 QB Rating
Game 6, 109.3 QB Rating

Derek Anderson,
12 TD's 12 INT's
Game 5, 121.0 QB Rating

Matt Schaub,
8 TD's 5 INT's
Game 2, 112.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.5 QB Rating
Game 4, 119.2 QB Rating
Game 6, 101.8 QB Rating

David Garrard,
5 TD's 2 INT's
Game 2, 87.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 103.3 QB Rating

Philip Rivers,
9 TD's 3 INT's
Game 1, 133.9 QB Rating
Game 2, 99.1 QB Rating
Game 4, 90.1 QB Rating
Game 5, 116.8 QB Rating

Jay Cutler,
10 TD's 6 INT's
Game 2, 97.6 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.7 QB Rating
Game 4, 88.9 QB Rating

Jason Campbell,
8 TD's 5 INT's
Game 1, 92.3 QB Rating

Donovan McNabb,
8 TD's 7 INT's
Game 3, 99.1 QB Rating

Tony Romo,
10 TD's 4 INT's
Game 2, 109.0 QB Rating
Game 3, 126.8 QB Rating
Game 4, 89.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 148.9 QB Rating

Drew Brees,
7 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 136.8 QB Rating
Game 4, 91.0 QB Rating
Game 6, 87.3 QB Rating

Jeff Garcia,
6 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 106.0 QB Rating
Game 6, 107.3 QB Rating

Marc Bulger,
14 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 134.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 89.0 QB Rating
Game 4, 131.7 QB Rating
Game 5, 100.5 QB Rating

Matt Leinart,
6 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 91.7 QB Rating
Game 2, 88.6 QB Rating
Game 4, 101.7 QB Rating

Bwana
08-28-2008, 02:53 PM
:shrug:
I'm just sayin'


Well, I hope our sorry line can give him the protection he needs, so we can find out one way or the other.

Micjones
08-28-2008, 02:54 PM
Hey. You can't compare BC to Peyton. I don't know why, its what the anti-BC people say...

I'll explain...again. (Sigh)

Peyton Manning was the #1 overall pick.
The Colts had no choice, but to be patient with him.

Or are you telling me we should be as patient with a Third Round pick as the Colts were with the first draftpick taken?

Peyton's first 6 games were rather uneventful, but after he broke a single-season record for TD's thrown by a Rookie QB... The Colts knew they had a future with him at the helm.

BigMeatballDave
08-28-2008, 03:28 PM
I stopped reading sometime after Trent Dilfer...
Career 70.2 QB Rating.
113 Career TD's, 129 Career INT's.

Yeah, we've got a lot to look forward to...

I'm really tired of hearing excuses for Brodie Croyle. Some fans are holding out all hope that what we've seen (or haven't) is simply too small a sample size to evaluate. Croyle in only six games hasn't had ample opportunity to have shown us all something. Really? Here's the first six-game stretch for 16 current NFL starting QB's.

Chad Pennington,
10 TD's 3 INT's
Game 1, 108.0 QB Rating
Game 2, 124.7 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.9 QB Rating
Game 4, 102.6 QB Rating
Game 6, 126.9 QB Rating

Brett Favre,
6 TD's 5 INT's
Game 1, 144.6 QB Rating
Game 2, 90.8 QB Rating
Game 5, 93.5 QB Rating

Tom Brady,
10 TD's 4 INT's
Game 3, 93.4 QB Rating
Game 4, 148.3 QB Rating
Game 6, 124.4 QB Rating

Ben Roethlisberger,
9 TD's 3 INT's
Game 2, 101.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 107.4 QB Rating
Game 4, 125.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 126.4 QB Rating
Game 6, 109.3 QB Rating

Derek Anderson,
12 TD's 12 INT's
Game 5, 121.0 QB Rating

Matt Schaub,
8 TD's 5 INT's
Game 2, 112.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.5 QB Rating
Game 4, 119.2 QB Rating
Game 6, 101.8 QB Rating

David Garrard,
5 TD's 2 INT's
Game 2, 87.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 103.3 QB Rating

Philip Rivers,
9 TD's 3 INT's
Game 1, 133.9 QB Rating
Game 2, 99.1 QB Rating
Game 4, 90.1 QB Rating
Game 5, 116.8 QB Rating

Jay Cutler,
10 TD's 6 INT's
Game 2, 97.6 QB Rating
Game 3, 101.7 QB Rating
Game 4, 88.9 QB Rating

Jason Campbell,
8 TD's 5 INT's
Game 1, 92.3 QB Rating

Donovan McNabb,
8 TD's 7 INT's
Game 3, 99.1 QB Rating

Tony Romo,
10 TD's 4 INT's
Game 2, 109.0 QB Rating
Game 3, 126.8 QB Rating
Game 4, 89.5 QB Rating
Game 5, 148.9 QB Rating

Drew Brees,
7 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 136.8 QB Rating
Game 4, 91.0 QB Rating
Game 6, 87.3 QB Rating

Jeff Garcia,
6 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 106.0 QB Rating
Game 6, 107.3 QB Rating

Marc Bulger,
14 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 134.1 QB Rating
Game 3, 89.0 QB Rating
Game 4, 131.7 QB Rating
Game 5, 100.5 QB Rating

Matt Leinart,
6 TD's 6 INT's
Game 1, 91.7 QB Rating
Game 2, 88.6 QB Rating
Game 4, 101.7 QB RatingYou know damn well most of these, if not all of them entered in a more favorable environment.

Nightfyre
08-28-2008, 03:30 PM
Not to mention that Croyle did have a 99.2 QB rating in his first game :p

BigMeatballDave
08-28-2008, 03:32 PM
I'll explain...again. (Sigh)

Peyton Manning was the #1 overall pick.
The Colts had no choice, but to be patient with him.

Or are you telling me we should be as patient with a Third Round pick as the Colts were with the first draftpick taken?

Peyton's first 6 games were rather uneventful, but after he broke a single-season record for TD's thrown by a Rookie QB... The Colts knew they had a future with him at the helm.I never said BC should get 3 seasons. The point is, BC's 6 starts were on a horrible team without its starting RB. I just think you are way to premature to throwing in the towel on him. Not sure why you hate him so much. Seems like you are just praying for him to fail.

bogey
08-28-2008, 03:35 PM
Sheesh. The QB is certainly among the most important positions, but they need to have some help from the rest of the team. QB can't do it all by themselves.

DaKCMan AP
08-28-2008, 03:36 PM
JFC people!!!

Walter Payton

Peyton Manning

:cuss: