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jAZ
09-01-2008, 11:02 AM
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

A joke too bad to print?

HOW SEN. JOHN McCAIN'S TASTELESS TWO-LINER ABOUT CHELSEA CLINTON AND JANET RENO WAS CENSORED OUT OF THE NATION'S LEADING NEWSPAPERS.
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BY DAVID CORN

During the last few months, many established media outlets have decided to report innuendo and rumor about the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, as long as they have a source they can cite (at least anonymously), or another media player has reported the same.

But this new standard in the practice of journalism seemingly does not extend to other political figures, at least not media darlings like Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Earlier this month, at a Republican Senate fund-raiser, McCain told a downright nasty joke making fun of Janet Reno, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Chelsea Clinton.

The fact that McCain had made the tasteless joke was reported in major newspapers, as was the vain attempt by his press secretary to initially deny what McCain had done. But in several major newspapers, the joke itself was kept a secret. When McCain subsequently apologized to President Clinton, the Washington Post, in its personality section, noted the apology but said the joke "was too vicious to print."

The Los Angeles Times, in its Life & Style section, provided an oblique rendering of the joke that did not fully convey its ugliness. When Maureen Dowd penned a column in the New York Times about the joke, she wrote that McCain "is so revered by the press that his disgusting jape was largely nudged under the rug." But Dowd chose not to relay the joke, either.

The joke did appear in McCain's hometown paper, the Arizona Republic, and the Associated Press did report the joke in full, so everyone in the press had access to McCain's words. But by censoring themselves, the Post, the Times and others helped McCain deflect flak and preserved his status as a Republican presidential contender.

Salon feels its readers deserve the unadulterated truth. Though no tape of McCain's quip has yet emerged, this is what he reportedly said:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

The joke may be crude, but it pales in comparison with the published details surrounding the presidential sex scandal. McCain's two-liner conveys some interesting insights into what he considers humorous (lesbianism, a young woman's physical appearance), particularly since it was delivered to a Republican crowd. Remember, this is the party that champions pro-family values.

McCain's lapse in judgment -- admittedly, not as big a lapse as having a sexual relationship with an intern -- may be a significant clue into aspects of his "character," and thus relevant to the voting public. But many voters have been spared this insight, thanks to the censors in the press.

Accordingly, McCain is well-positioned to ride out this messy little episode. Ever since he started championing the anti-tobacco bill (which was torpedoed by his GOP comrades), McCain has been the White House's pet Republican on the Hill. Consequently, the White House played down his Chelsea remarks. McCain is also unusually popular with the media. He gives good quotes; he is outspoken. He takes positions that contradict the Republican leadership. When you talk to McCain, he converses in the manner of a real person, seemingly telling you what he thinks. That is rare among elected officials. Ask him a question and he does not shift into automatic-politician mode, as do most members of Congress.

The former Vietnam POW should escape this matter without serious political harm. In the inevitable magazine profiles of McCain that will be written, there will no doubt be the perfunctory line: "McCain's tendency to speak too freely was proven when he made a distasteful joke at a fund-raiser about the first family and then had to apologize to the president."

But the joke revealed more than a mean streak in a man who would be president. It also exposed how the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times play favorites when reporting the foibles of our leading politicians.
SALON | June 25, 1998

David Corn, Washington editor of the Nation, is a regular contributor to Salon.

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 11:03 AM
do we want 4 years of mccain making fun of chelsea?

NO.

we need change.

Thig Lyfe
09-01-2008, 11:04 AM
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Hoover
09-01-2008, 11:06 AM
Thats just good humor!

:D

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09-01-2008, 11:06 AM
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banyon
09-01-2008, 11:06 AM
I thought it was out of bounds to criticize kids?

chiefforlife
09-01-2008, 11:07 AM
Imagine if Obama would have said something like that...

Mr. Kotter
09-01-2008, 11:08 AM
I've "heard" this story too; the fact it's from Salon, makes me doubt it's veracity though.

Has the story ever been, convincingly, verified or corroborated? :shrug:

FTR, if he said it, it was way stupid. Way beneath the belt.


From the article: Though no tape of McCain's quip has yet emerged, this is what he reportedly said:....


Regardless though, by all means....let's dredge up a 10 year old story and add gasoline to the fire!

Thig Lyfe
09-01-2008, 11:08 AM
I thought it was out of bounds to criticize kids?

Ugliness is a legitimate criticism. Severe irresponsibility as the result of a parent's retarded abstinence-only sex education stance is OFF-LIMITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (unproven accusation)

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 11:08 AM
I thought it was out of bounds to criticize kids?

only when it suits your purpose

Mr. Kotter
09-01-2008, 11:12 AM
(unproven accusation) really should be edited into the Title of this thread.

:)

StcChief
09-01-2008, 11:12 AM
do we want 4 years of mccain making fun of chelsea?

NO.

we need change.do we need 4 years of more entitlement programs, higher taxes NO.

Baby Lee
09-01-2008, 11:14 AM
The censoring wasn't for McCain's benefit. Printing it would've raised the issue of Hillary's lesbianism. ;)

Reaper16
09-01-2008, 11:14 AM
do we need 4 years of more entitlement programs, higher taxes NO.
Because the alternative has worked magnificently these past 8 years.

Baby Lee
09-01-2008, 11:17 AM
Because the alternative has worked magnificently these past 8 years.

Yeah. No, no, no, wait a minute, I always have tuna on toast. Nothing's ever worked out for me with tuna on toast. I want the complete opposite of tuna on toast. Chicken salad, on rye, untoasted ... and a cup of tea.

L.A. Chieffan
09-01-2008, 11:17 AM
OH SCHNAP! U GO JOHN JOHN THAT SHEETS HIARIOUS!

Reaper16
09-01-2008, 11:19 AM
Yeah. No, no, no, wait a minute, I always have tuna on toast. Nothing's ever worked out for me with tuna on toast. I want the complete opposite of tuna on toast. Chicken salad, on rye, untoasted ... and a cup of tea.
I like tea.

StcChief
09-01-2008, 11:21 AM
Because the alternative has worked magnificently these past 8 years.
protecting ungrateful sh1ts like you for 8 years. Go serve your country son.

Thig Lyfe
09-01-2008, 11:22 AM
protecting ungrateful sh1ts like you for 8 years. Go serve your country son.

This is parody, right?

Reaper16
09-01-2008, 11:23 AM
protecting ungrateful sh1ts like you for 8 years. Go serve your country son.
Multiple tax cuts with increased spending have protected me for 8 years, and furthermore because of multiple tax cuts with increased spending I need to join the military?

Can I finish school first?

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 11:29 AM
protecting ungrateful sh1ts like you for 8 years. Go serve your country son.


really?

nice view.

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 11:40 AM
This is parody, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ

dammit how do you embed youtube

<object width="425" height="349"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="349"></embed></object>

banyon
09-01-2008, 11:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ

dammit how do you embed youtube

On the right side of the page there is code to copy and paste.

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 11:51 AM
On the right side of the page there is code to copy and paste.

the embed code?

where do you paste it?

Baby Lee
09-01-2008, 11:52 AM
the embed code?

where do you paste it?
Yes,

In the post body.

BigChiefFan
09-01-2008, 11:53 AM
What exactly are we being protected from? WMDs? Saddam?

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 11:54 AM
Yes,

In the post body.


that didn't work

Cannibal
09-01-2008, 11:55 AM
IMO, Chelsea has grown into her looks and is actually kinda hot now imo. It kinda of diffuses the joke.

Reaper16
09-01-2008, 11:55 AM
Worked for me:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Baby Lee
09-01-2008, 11:57 AM
that didn't work

Some embeds are blocked [thanx pron spammers], youtube wasn't supposed to be. Perhaps you didn't copy the entire embed code. That happens often to me.

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 11:57 AM
Worked for me:


<OBJECT height=344 width=425>

<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></OBJECT></P>
you hit the embed code in the gray box next to the video?

Reaper16
09-01-2008, 12:01 PM
you hit the embed code in the gray box next to the video?
Yeah, I copied that code and pasted it into a response here.

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 12:03 PM
Yeah, I copied that code and pasted it into a response here.

wtf?

youtube hates me

Fishpicker
09-01-2008, 12:04 PM
let the video on the youtube page load all the way before you embed it.

Reaper16
09-01-2008, 12:05 PM
I know that it says "copied" when you click on the code, but go ahead and manually right-clock-copy the whole code anyway.

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 12:08 PM
I know that it says "copied" when you click on the code, but go ahead and manually right-clock-copy the whole code anyway.

<ob ject width="425" height="349"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="349"></embed></object>

Dick Bull
09-01-2008, 12:09 PM
<OBJECT height=349 width=425>

<embed src="<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/nT0OqHr3wHQ&amphl=en&ampfs=1&amprel=0&ampborder=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="349"></embed></OBJECT></P>
this is what happens

Reaper16
09-01-2008, 12:12 PM
this is what happens
That's not the full embed code.

jAZ
09-04-2008, 11:08 PM
I've "heard" this story too; the fact it's from Salon, makes me doubt it's veracity though.

Has the story ever been, convincingly, verified or corroborated? :shrug:

(unproven accusation) really should be edited into the Title of this thread.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E6DD173CF932A15755C0A96E958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all'

Liberties; The Joke's On Him
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: June 21, 1998

Have you heard the one about John McCain?

The famously noble politician got up at a Republican fund-raiser last week and made a now-infamously ignoble joke.

He is so revered by the press that his disgusting jape was largely nudged under the rug. ''It's like a return to the Kennedy era,'' said one magazine editor. ''He makes a gaffe, and we look the other way.''

The story of Washington is the story of why smart people do dumb things. And why pols can swing fitfully between doing the right thing and doing the wrong thing.

Mr. McCain made it through five years of torture in North Vietnam. The Arizona Senator has also been brave in Washington, inciting the wrath of his party and powerful lobbies with quixotic battles for the best causes: campaign finance reform and making Big Tobacco kick its habit of marketing to kids.

In a capital where politicians follow more than lead, Senator McCain has been an edifying exception. Even though his independent streak and quick temper have made him Republican enemies, his idealism and easy way with the press got him on the short list for 2000.

So how does such a lofty figure sink to the basement?

The joke that he thought was funny was about Chelsea Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Janet Reno.

''This is the bad boy,'' he said in a phone interview. ''It was stupid and cruel and insensitive. I've apologized. I can't take it back. I could give you a whole bunch of excuses, but there are no excuses. I was wrong, but do you want me crucified? How many days does it need to be a story?''

He said the Senator who spoke just before he did to the Republican fat cats made a tasteless joke about Viagra. ''So I got up and said, 'You think that was a tasteless joke? Listen to this one.' The minute it came out of my mouth, I thought, 'Oh no, this is a terrible mistake.' ''

But, he added, defensively, ''I will always maintain a sense of humor. Life is too short not to.''

Life is also too short for making the President's daughter the target of a junky, misogynistic crack masquerading as humor.

Mr. McCain said he wrote a letter of abject apology to the President. That's good politics. But where's the letter to Janet Reno? He says he doesn't think that such a letter is necessary.

Because the President and Mr. McCain have been working together on the campaign finance and tobacco issues, the White House response was muted. ''It takes a severe lapse in synapses to make a joke about personal things like that,'' says Clinton spokesman Michael McCurry, who has occasionally lost control of his own synapses. ''Most prominent people at one time or another have a close encounter with the distasteful.''

It is downright weird that Senator McCain would be the one to break the taboo against cheap shots at the lovely and self-possessed Chelsea. He said he thought he'd heard the joke on Jay Leno. But Mr. Leno, not one to shrink from the tasteless, protests: ''I've never, ever done a Chelsea joke nor would I. Political humor is like the Mafia -- everything's open game as long as you don't go after the families.''

irishjayhawk
09-04-2008, 11:10 PM
Everyone here demonstrates that they all thought this was true.

This post clearly shows a lot about the thread starter. No more, no less.

jAZ
09-04-2008, 11:20 PM
Everyone here demonstrates that they all thought this was true.

This post clearly shows a lot about the thread starter. No more, no less.

What?

irishjayhawk
09-04-2008, 11:22 PM
What?

Clearly, you didn't read the tripe in my Daily Kos' scandal story.

jAZ
09-04-2008, 11:44 PM
Clearly, you didn't read the tripe in my Daily Kos' scandal story.
No, but I think I get your point. :)