Palin not vetted; Republicans sending operatives to do vetting

[dirk digler]

LMAO

http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/01/asked-and-not-answered/

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ABC News journo also says about 10 Republican operatives, including lawyers, are heading to Alaska for more background work on Gov. Palin.

Earlier: NBC’s Andrea Mitchell also reports that lawyers are headed to the 49th state for “a deeper vet.”

[Messier]

McCain '08!!!!!!!!!

[J Diddy]

8 weeks and 1 of them is wasted checking into a candidates past

Didn't McCain secure his party nomination early? What the heck was he doing

[HolmeZz]

Bravo.

[dirk digler]

McCain has great judgment....NOT :rolleyes:

What a dumbass

[J Diddy]

His campaign slogan should be "Dangerously incompetent to lead"

[Adam]

All they will discover is more layers of awesomeness.

[J Diddy]

All they will discover is more layers of awesomeness.


yep she's like an onion, huh?

:rolleyes:

[Adam]

yep she's like an onion, huh?

:rolleyes:

Except she doesn't make you cry. (Unless you are Barack Obama.)

[dirk digler]

All they will discover is more layers of awesomeness.

More like more layers of corruption

[J Diddy]

Except she doesn't make you cry. (Unless you are Barack Obama.)

everybodys laughed so hard they've cried including Barack

[HolmeZz]

So a former Democrat, Clinton White House Advisor is questioning what else we don't know about Palin...

The Liberal smear machine is up and running at full blast because they are terrified of this pick... She raised 10 million bucks in 2 days.

What do we know? 1) Her husband has a 22 year old DUI, 2) Her daughter has a teen pregnancy and 3) Troopergate.

1) and 2) are irrelevant. 3) Is relevant, if she did anything wrong, but all signs are that she did not and it is also the one that was unquestionably vetted the most.

The following all ran on national tickets before their first term of high office was completed: Obama, Edwards and Palin. We have heard more from the MSM on “experience” in the last three days re: Palin than we heard combined for Obama in the last year and Edwards in campaign ‘04. Just weeks ago, the same “journalists” were discussing Kaine at length and NEVER suggested that he, just a few years into his first term of high office, was unqualified.

John McCain asked for this scrutiny when his campaign decided to make Obama's experience the focal point of his campaign. Payback's a bitch, motherf*cker.

[J Diddy]

So a former Democrat, Clinton White House Advisor is questioning what else we don't know about Palin...

The Liberal smear machine is up and running at full blast because they are terrified of this pick... She raised 10 million bucks in 2 days.

What do we know? 1) Her husband has a 22 year old DUI, 2) Her daughter has a teen pregnancy and 3) Troopergate.

1) and 2) are irrelevant. 3) Is relevant, if she did anything wrong, but all signs are that she did not and it is also the one that was unquestionably vetted the most.

The following all ran on national tickets before their first term of high office was completed: Obama, Edwards and Palin. We have heard more from the MSM on “experience” in the last three days re: Palin than we heard combined for Obama in the last year and Edwards in campaign ‘04. Just weeks ago, the same “journalists” were discussing Kaine at length and NEVER suggested that he, just a few years into his first term of high office, was unqualified.

Maybe Barack felt Kaine lacked experience at the national level. FWIW, I'd have liked Kaine much more than Biden, but Biden was solid.

I disagree with you on Palin, it's almost been a week and all they've done is defend the pick. They've literally wasted time doing nothing but defend their choice. I'm sure they raised alot of money after her announcement but it's not like she has done anything to illicit the response.

[J Diddy]

This just in…Sarah Palin has 5 children but we have evidence she had sex more than 5 times…news at 11.

I wouldn't mind being an indiscretion.

[Laz]

John Flip-Flop McSame with the nice maneuver :clap:

[Adam]

SHOCKING COLLEGE PHOTO REVEALED!

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/31/amd_palin-tshirt.jpg

How can we elect such a heathen to vice president?!

[J Diddy]

No, its rather funny that the Republican VP has more experience than the Democratic Presidential Nominee.

that will come in handy if we need a bridge built to nowhere, a moose is digging in someone's garbage, or if we have any problems with a brother inlaw

other than that she's over her head

[HolmeZz]

No, its rather funny that the Republican VP has more experience than the Democratic Presidential Nominee.

What are Sarah Palin's foreign policy stances?

[WilliamTheIrish]

So a former Democrat, Clinton White House Advisor is questioning what else we don't know about Palin...

The Liberal smear machine is up and running at full blast because they are terrified of this pick... She raised 10 million bucks in 2 days.

What do we know? 1) Her husband has a 22 year old DUI, 2) Her daughter has a teen pregnancy and 3) Troopergate.

1) and 2) are irrelevant. 3) Is relevant, if she did anything wrong, but all signs are that she did not and it is also the one that was unquestionably vetted the most.

The following all ran on national tickets before their first term of high office was completed: Obama, Edwards and Palin. We have heard more from the MSM on “experience” in the last three days re: Palin than we heard combined for Obama in the last year and Edwards in campaign ‘04. Just weeks ago, the same “journalists” were discussing Kaine at length and NEVER suggested that he, just a few years into his first term of high office, was unqualified.


We should shut down this forum. It's too mean for you.

[J Diddy]

SHOCKING COLLEGE PHOTO REVEALED!

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/31/amd_palin-tshirt.jpg

How can we elect such a heathen to vice president?!


If the donors of the 10 million saw that they'd ask for their money back

talk about terrible pictures

[HolmeZz]

SHOCKING COLLEGE PHOTO REVEALED!

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/31/amd_palin-tshirt.jpg

How can we elect such a heathen to vice president?!

Is that an incorrectly placed comma?!?

[Adam]

that will come in handy if we need a bridge built to nowhere, a moose is digging in someone's garbage, or if we have any problems with a brother inlaw

other than that she's over her head

Just gonna focus on the moose digging through the garbage. Has Barack Obama ever done anything to address an issue of that magnitude? Other than give campaign speeches?

Oh wait, I remember. One time he pulled together the Illinois State Senate to stage a pro-infanticide coup. MY HERO.

[J Diddy]

What are Sarah Palin's foreign policy stances?


Mooses are a nuisance

[Jenson71]

No, its rather funny that the Republican VP has more experience than the Democratic Presidential Nominee.

You can't say that with a straight face.

[HolmeZz]

You can't say that with a straight face.

That's why Jake's is bi-curious.

[HolmeZz]

Sarah Palin's Foregin Policy EXPERIENCE and Barack Obama's Foregin Policy EXPERIENCE mirror eachother... NONE.

Luckily, McCain has them.

What are Sarah Palin's foreign policy stances?

[Laz]

either Jake is someone Alt designed just to mess with people or he's a complete and utter moron.

[Jenson71]

Yes, I mean it.

Atleast Palin was a Chief Executive... Obama has NO record at all.

Okay, you believe it.

[dirk digler]

So a former Democrat, Clinton White House Advisor is questioning what else we don't know about Palin...

The Liberal smear machine is up and running at full blast because they are terrified of this pick... She raised 10 million bucks in 2 days.

What do we know? 1) Her husband has a 22 year old DUI, 2) Her daughter has a teen pregnancy and 3) Troopergate.

1) and 2) are irrelevant. 3) Is relevant, if she did anything wrong, but all signs are that she did not and it is also the one that was unquestionably vetted the most.

The following all ran on national tickets before their first term of high office was completed: Obama, Edwards and Palin. We have heard more from the MSM on “experience” in the last three days re: Palin than we heard combined for Obama in the last year and Edwards in campaign ‘04. Just weeks ago, the same “journalists” were discussing Kaine at length and NEVER suggested that he, just a few years into his first term of high office, was unqualified.

The hole in your post is that Obama didn't pick Kaine but he is alot more qualified than Palin is. He served 7 years as mayor, and 5 years as Lt. Gov and 3 years as Gov.

[J Diddy]

Just gonna focus on the moose digging through the garbage. Has Barack Obama ever done anything to address an issue of that magnitude? Other than give campaign speeches?

Oh wait, I remember. One time he pulled together the Illinois State Senate to stage a pro-infanticide coup. MY HERO.

Say what you will but he has been in Washington, this girl's the head of a state smaller than the size of the St. Louis area

[J Diddy]

Yes, I mean it.

Atleast Palin was a Chief Executive... Obama has NO record at all.

I'm the chief executive of my house I guess that means I'm qualified

[dirk digler]

Dirk... Where does it say she was not vetted? This is a very misleading thread title... Palin was vetted... so you are lying.

Obviously she wasn't if they are vetting her now. She made comments less than a month ago she hadn't submitted any financial or personal info.

[Adam]

Say what you will but he has been in Washington, this girl's the head of a state smaller than the size of the St. Louis area

Honestly, I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life. The main reason for this is they always put up good-ole-boys and Washington insiders who don't seem to have any real principles, at least not ones that appeal to me.

Palin is the first candidate, Democrat or Republican, that has ever appeared on a presidential ballot who I honestly believe would shake things up if she ever ended up in the top job.

Washington needs real conservative change. Not socialism, not platitudes, not more of the same. I have read enough about her record to believe she can bring that change if ever given the opportunity. She's not Ron Paul, but she is definitely a troublemaker.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Is it time to shut down the DC forum?

[dirk digler]

She did turn over financial documents, McCain new about troopergate, McCain new about her daughter being prego... so she obviously was vetted... so please stop lying.

No she wasn't and the proof is all the stories that are coming out every hour about her.

If she was properly vetted they wouldn't be sending 10 Republican operatives to Alaska to investigate her past

[BucEyedPea]

The hole in your post is that Obama didn't pick Kaine but he is alot more qualified than Palin is. He served 7 years as mayor, and 5 years as Lt. Gov and 3 years as Gov.

Q: Can you tell me where the Constitution says she must have such qualifications to be a VP?

A: Nowhere


It's your opinion she's unqualified.
It will be up to the voters to cast their opinion in November.
There have been some terrible VPs in the past that also had a lot more experience and even scandals. Out of the 4 running she is the ONLY one with any executive experience.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

She did turn over financial documents, McCain new about troopergate, McCain new about her daughter being prego... so she obviously was vetted... so please stop lying.

Moronical....an imbecile...like the dumbest motherf*cker that ever lived.

[BucEyedPea]

No she wasn't and the proof is all the stories that are coming out every hour about her.

If she was properly vetted they wouldn't be sending 10 Republican operatives to Alaska to investigate her past

I'd say some feel she just wasn't vetted enough, not that she was not vetted at all.

I would conjecture 3 possibilities here for this: All the noise about her is being checked out for extra protection of the ticket, a better defense of her or the DC Establishment insiders in the GOP just don't like a working-class everyday American on the ticket as opposed to another insider or elitist to lord it over the rest of us. My bet, is on the latter.

[Adam]

No she wasn't and the proof is all the stories that are coming out every hour about her.

If she was properly vetted they wouldn't be sending 10 Republican operatives to Alaska to investigate her past

The word "vetting" is an interesting one. I honestly am not sure I had never heard it until I heard about Caroline Kennedy being hired to do it.

Domestic-abuse-trooper-gate is one that was already on wiki, and some had already written in columns on RCP that it might knock her off the list just because the investigation would still be ongoing at convention time.

The only really significant new news since Palin's "surprise"* announcement is the pregnancy of her daugther, which was apparently common knowledge in Sarah's home town..

(*Surprise even though I heard her name numerous times before it happened.)

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I'd say some feel she just wasn't vetted enough, not that she was not vetted at all.

I would conjecture 3 possibilities here for this: All the noise about her is being checked out for extra protection of the ticket, a better defense of her or the DC Establishment insiders in the GOP just don't like a working-class everyday American on the ticket as opposed to another insider or elitist to lord it over the rest of us. My bet, is on the latter.

God knows that former pageant contestants who were appointed to high positions by Big Oil and are current Governors are the salt of the Earth.

[BucEyedPea]

Honestly, I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life. The main reason for this is they always put up good-ole-boys and Washington insiders who don't seem to have any real principles, at least not ones that appeal to me.

Palin is the first candidate, Democrat or Republican, that has ever appeared on a presidential ballot who I honestly believe would shake things up if she ever ended up in the top job.

Washington needs real conservative change. Not socialism, not platitudes, not more of the same. I have read enough about her record to believe she can bring that change if ever given the opportunity. She's not Ron Paul, but she is definitely a troublemaker.

Gawd, I swear you read my mind. I just saw this. That was my guess as well.
Just an excuse to offload her since she went up against the good ole boys in the Alaska GOP. Maybe, they're behind it getting revenge. Never know. And we may never know.

[dirk digler]

Q: Can you tell me where the Constitution says she must have such qualifications to be a VP?

A: Nowhere


It's your opinion she's unqualified.
It will be up to the voters to cast their opinion in November.
There have been some terrible VPs in the past that also had a lot more experience and even scandals. Out of the 4 running she is the ONLY one with any executive experience.

Other than being at least 35 and a natural born citizen? No. That is the same as POTUS.

Someone being qualified is obviously an opinion or judgment just like people like you thinking Obama is not qualified to POTUS. But that is just your opinion.

[BucEyedPea]

Other than being at least 35 and a natural born citizen? No. That is the same as POTUS.

Someone being qualified is obviously an opinion or judgment just like people like you thinking Obama is not qualified to POTUS. But that is just your opinion.

Wow! That's a total lie. I actually defended Obama using the same question. So my opinion is the exact opposite.
And those are the facts.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Honestly, I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life. The main reason for this is they always put up good-ole-boys and Washington insiders who don't seem to have any real principles, at least not ones that appeal to me.

Palin is the first candidate, Democrat or Republican, that has ever appeared on a presidential ballot who I honestly believe would shake things up if she ever ended up in the top job.

Washington needs real conservative change. Not socialism, not platitudes, not more of the same. I have read enough about her record to believe she can bring that change if ever given the opportunity. She's not Ron Paul, but she is definitely a troublemaker.

Where in the hell would anyone get the idea that Sarah Palin, hard core social conservative, is anything but a typical right wing whack job?

She wants to open up ANWR...now that's controversial right there. Next thing you know she'll be advocating for the elimination of the FDA and the IRS.

[dirk digler]

Wow! That's a total lie. I actually defended Obama using the same question. So my opinion is the exact opposite.
And those are the facts.

Good to know and I apologize for saying that about you.

[Adam]

Gawd, I swear you read my mind. I just saw this. That was my guess as well.
Just an excuse to offload her since she went up against the good ole boys in the Alaska GOP. Maybe, they're behind it getting revenge. Never know. And we may never know.

Not sure what you are implying. Are you saying McCain is taking her off the hands of Alaska to be charitable to Ted Stevens? She'll still be Governor if they lose.

For me, this seems more like a twist of fate with a huge upside for our country. McCain probably picked her because she is female and has a maverick streak. But whether he knows it or not, he hit the ball out of the park in terms of somebody who could really help this country.

[BucEyedPea]

She wants to open up ANWR...now that's controversial right there. Next thing you know she'll be advocating for the elimination of the FDA and the IRS.

What would be wrong with that? I don't think she's a libertarian so I don't think she'd eliminate the FDA but she might be for the Fair Tax or something that replaced the IRS.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Not sure what you are implying. Are you saying McCain is taking her off the hands of Alaska to be charitable to Ted Stevens? She'll still be Governor if they lose.

For me, this seems more like a twist of fate with a huge upside for our country. McCain probably picked her because she is female and has a maverick streak. But whether he knows it or not, he hit the ball out of the park in terms of somebody who could really help this country.

Could you please just rub one out a time or ten to her so you can actually look at her completely nonexistent record with something approaching a scintilla of sanity?

[Adam]

Where in the hell would anyone get the idea that Sarah Palin, hard core social conservative, is anything but a typical right wing whack job?

She wants to open up ANWR...now that's controversial right there. Next thing you know she'll be advocating for the elimination of the FDA and the IRS.

I am fairly socially conservative myself, but I don't vote that way. I vote fiscal conservative, and nothing appeals to me more than when big government Republicans get their asses kicked by a true fiscal conservative who exposes them for what they are. Palin has a record of doing that.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

What would be wrong with that? I don't think she's a libertarian so I don't think she'd eliminate the FDA but she might be for the Fair Tax or something that replaced the IRS.

WTF...I post with retards.


How do you have any idea that she would be for the "Fair" Tax, or would approve the abolition of the IRS? You guys are just projecting shit onto her that you want to be true.

It's like you went to a political build-a-bear workshop and decided that these are the features that Sarah Palin will have.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I am fairly socially conservative myself, but I don't vote that way. I vote fiscal conservative, and nothing appeals to me more than when big government Republicans get their asses kicked by a true fiscal conservative who exposes them for what they are. Palin has a record of doing that.

Like when she took the money for the Bridge to Nowhere and built a Road to Nowhere (only after it became politically untenable for her to support said bridge)?

[BucEyedPea]

Not sure what you are implying. Are you saying McCain is taking her off the hands of Alaska to be charitable to Ted Stevens? She'll still be Governor if they lose.

For me, this seems more like a twist of fate with a huge upside for our country. McCain probably picked her because she is female and has a maverick streak. But whether he knows it or not, he hit the ball out of the park in terms of somebody who could really help this country.

Not implying anything. I agree with your entire post from the good ole boys with no principals and her being a threat to them...or as you say a troublemaker. I think that could be behind this additional vetting. They wouldn't want someone to expose them or get to uppity.

[Adam]

Could you please just rub one out a time or ten to her so you can actually look at her completely nonexistent record with something approaching a scintilla of sanity?

Do you really believe I couldn't possibly just believe she is a great candidate? I defended Ron Paul even more passionately. The only difference was that I was usually tearing into Republican candidates while doing it. Republicans who didn't stand for anything, but were career politicians who were full of shit.

My top pick for V.P. this year (besides Paul) would have been Mark Sanford, followed by Sarah Palin, followed by Bobby Jindal. McCain made the surprise move of actually picking one of my three, and therefore has won my support.

[jAZ]

McCain/Eagleton '08!!!!!!!!!
Fixed your post.

:p

[BucEyedPea]

WTF...I post with retards.


How do you have any idea that she would be for the "Fair" Tax, or would approve the abolition of the IRS? You guys are just projecting shit onto her that you want to be true.
Knock off the hostility and personal attacks. For Crissakes! You're the one who speculated she'd get rid of the IRS. ( and FDA) I just speculated that wasn't out of the realm of possibility as she's a conservative.

They think like that! Duh! :doh!:

I have no idea what her actual stand is and didn't say that.

It's like you went to a political build-a-bear workshop and decided that these are the features that Sarah Palin will have.

You speculated it not I. I answered in the same vein. Please read. Your anger is blocking your perceptions.

[BucEyedPea]

Do you really believe I couldn't possibly just believe she is a great candidate? I defended Ron Paul even more passionately. The only difference was that I was usually tearing into Republican candidates while doing it. Republicans who didn't stand for anything, but were career politicians who were full of shit.

My top pick for V.P. this year (besides Paul) would have been Mark Sanford, followed by Sarah Palin, followed by Bobby Jindal. McCain made the surprise move of actually picking one of my three, and therefore has won my support.

I love Sandford too. And dissed the other conservatives. See the problem here is Hamas, as well as many on the left, think the Bush administration is conservative as well as many Rs in congress. If that's conservative, it just shows how far left those folks are.

[jAZ]

His campaign slogan should be "Dangerously incompetent to lead"

Awesome!

[dirk digler]

McCain didn't vet Palin and I am dumbass.

News at 11!!

[Friendo]

I love Sandford too. And dissed the other conservatives. See the problem here is Hamas, as well as many on the left, think the Bush administration is conservative as well as many Rs in congress. If that's conservative, it just shows how far left those folks are.

I see Bush as an Ideologue--much the same I think I'm seeing in Palin.

[J Diddy]

Honestly, I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life. The main reason for this is they always put up good-ole-boys and Washington insiders who don't seem to have any real principles, at least not ones that appeal to me.

Palin is the first candidate, Democrat or Republican, that has ever appeared on a presidential ballot who I honestly believe would shake things up if she ever ended up in the top job.

Washington needs real conservative change. Not socialism, not platitudes, not more of the same. I have read enough about her record to believe she can bring that change if ever given the opportunity. She's not Ron Paul, but she is definitely a troublemaker.


We've just had 8 years of conservatism, I'm ready to move it back a notch. The last 8 years have been horrendous.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Knock off the hostility and personal attacks. For Crissakes! You're the one who speculated she'd get rid of the IRS. ( and FDA) I just speculated that wasn't out of the realm of possibility as she's a conservative.

They think like that! Duh! :doh!:

I have no idea what her actual stand is and didn't say that.



You speculated it not I. I answered in the same vein. Please read. Your anger is blocking your perceptions.

I'm not mad as much as I am perplexed that I could be completely hyperbolic and sarcastic with a comment and you would actually take it as truth that she might do such things.

[HolmeZz]

I am fairly socially conservative myself, but I don't vote that way. I vote fiscal conservative, and nothing appeals to me more than when big government Republicans get their asses kicked by a true fiscal conservative who exposes them for what they are. Palin has a record of doing that.

Which makes you think Palin is a fiscal conservative more? Her original support of the Bridge to Nowhere or the fact that as mayor, she tallied 20 million in debt in a town of 7,000?

[BucEyedPea]

I see Bush as an Ideologue--much the same I think I'm seeing in Palin.

So is Biden, Obama and Hillary. There's nothing wrong with that. Many here who don't like Palin are also ideologues. Most politicians are unless they're a mix of views which would make them a moderate.

[Adam]

I see Bush as an Ideologue--much the same I think I'm seeing in Palin.

You say "idealogue" like it's a bad thing. It basically means that they have something they believe in,

Bush may be an idealogue in all the wrong areas, but he turned his back on the ones that mattered to me. He grew the size of government and engaged in "nation building", something he condemned when running in 2000. If Bush had been a conservative "idealogue", I think the country would be much better off today.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Do you really believe I couldn't possibly just believe she is a great candidate? I defended Ron Paul even more passionately. The only difference was that I was usually tearing into Republican candidates while doing it. Republicans who didn't stand for anything, but were career politicians who were full of shit.

My top pick for V.P. this year (besides Paul) would have been Mark Sanford, followed by Sarah Palin, followed by Bobby Jindal. McCain made the surprise move of actually picking one of my three, and therefore has won my support.

So two of your top three picks were governors who had served for 8 seconds that no one knows anything about.

Did you snap your ankle getting onto those bandwagons?

[Adam]

We've just had 8 years of conservatism...

Oh, how I wish this were a correct statement.

[BucEyedPea]

I'm not mad as much as I am perplexed that I could be completely hyperbolic and sarcastic with a comment and you would actually take it as truth that she might do such things.
Well, as a conservative myself, the IRS point is not generally perceived as hyperbolic comment. It's real to conservatives ( and libertarians).

[Friendo]

So is Biden, Obama and Hillary. There's nothing wrong with that. Many here who don't like Palin are also ideologues. Most politicians are unless they're a mix of views which would make them a moderate.

that is your opinion

[BucEyedPea]

We've just had 8 years of conservatism, I'm ready to move it back a notch. The last 8 years have been horrendous.

ROFL Please define conservativism to me?

Oh, I know, it's national socialism. :D

[Adam]

So two of your top three picks were governors who had served for 8 seconds that no one knows anything about.

Did you snap your ankle getting onto those bandwagons?

All three have fought the establishment on principle, often at great political risk or cost. Sanford actually may never make it on the national scene just because he has pissed off so many GOP members in the South Carolina legislature. He doesn't care, and it's obvious to anybody following his career.

[Friendo]

You say "idealogue" like it's a bad thing. It basically means that they have something they believe in,

Bush may be an idealogue in all the wrong areas, but he turned his back on the ones that mattered to me. He grew the size of government and engaged in "nation building", something he condemned when running in 2000. If Bush had been a conservative "idealogue", I think the country would be much better off today.

2 : an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

good for you--I disagree

[BucEyedPea]

that is your opinion

Not totally. What is good, bad, beautiful, ugly, right, wrong are opinions.
So saying Palin's a bad pick falls in here. But an ideology has a definition:

An ideology is an organized collection of ideas. The word ideology was coined by Count Antoine Destutt de Tracy in the late 18th century to define a "science of ideas. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideologue

So my opinion here is based on this fact.

[BucEyedPea]

2 : an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

good for you--I disagree

Source?
Orwell's Newspeak Dictionary?

It probably has several entries in the dictionary. So the context would be the key to how it's used. You used it as in the derogatory sense. I don't.

[Adam]

2 : an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology

good for you--I disagree

Okay, I'll accept the "Websters" version. (Not the first time it has gotten me into trouble.) I guess I have written my own definition, which is somebody with a list of issues they believe passionately in. Nothing blind about it.

[HolmeZz]

Which makes you think Palin is a fiscal conservative more? Her original support of the Bridge to Nowhere or the fact that as mayor, she tallied 20 million in debt in a town of 7,000?

Bump for Adam.

[Friendo]

Not totally. What is good, bad, beautiful, ugly, right, wrong are opinions.
So saying Palin's a bad pick falls in here. But an ideology has a definition:

An ideology is an organized collection of ideas. The word ideology was coined by Count Antoine Destutt de Tracy in the late 18th century to define a "science of ideas. ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideologue

So my opinion here is based on this fact.


parts is parts--you pass out judgment like candy--my opinion

[BucEyedPea]

Which makes you think Palin is a fiscal conservative more? Her original support of the Bridge to Nowhere or the fact that as mayor, she tallied 20 million in debt in a town of 7,000?

I thought she eventually decided against that, which is a good thing to me.
Women are allowed to change their mind. Men aren't.

[BucEyedPea]

parts is parts--you pass out judgment like candy--my opinion

Like everyone else here discussing Palin?
I thought I was defending her from certain judgments.
So I guess it's judgement when I do it but not when you or the others do it?

I admit I like her and that is my opinion. But we have 2 political parties who hold to a set of organized ideas in general even if there is a spectrum within each. That's a fact.

[HolmeZz]

I thought she eventually decided against that, which is a good thing to me.
Women are allowed to change their mind. Men aren't.

She flipped on it once the project got exposed and turned into a punchline. Then she went and used the money for something else.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I thought she eventually decided against that, which is a good thing to me.
Women are allowed to change their mind. Men aren't.

Jokes aside, she still used the money for an equally worthless project.

[BucEyedPea]

HolmZz what is the source on that town debt?
I read she reduced debt but I think that was as gov...not sure though.

[BucEyedPea]

Jokes aside, she still used the money for an equally worthless project.

Did the people who live there share that opinion?
Isn't it up to them? I think so. That's the way it's supposed to work.

Hmmmm 80% approval rating. Not bad!

[Adam]

HolmZz what is the source on that town debt?
I read she reduced debt but I think that was as gov...not sure though.

Ditto. I keep hearing about this. I haven't checked Daily KOS yet, but I will admit this is something that matters to me.

[HolmeZz]

HolmZz what is the source on that town debt?

"Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla — that amounts to $3,000 per resident."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html

I read she reduced debt but I think that was as gov...not sure though.

I'd have to look that up. She wasn't Governor long enough to have a real track record with that anyway.

[dirk digler]

HolmZz what is the source on that town debt?
I read she reduced debt but I think that was as gov...not sure though.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html

Mayoral performance. Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla — that amounts to $3,000 per resident. She argues that the debt was needed to fund improvements.

[Friendo]

Like everyone else here discussing Palin?
I thought I was defending her from certain judgements.

I admit I like her and that is my opinion. But we have 2 political parties who hold to a set of organized ideas in general even if there is a spectrum within each. That's a fact.

one of which has most recently demonstrated the willingness to pursue their "organized ideas" with such vigor as to alienate half the populace and most of the world. she seems likeable, but also seems inclined to the same type of "vigor". there seems to be ample "evidence", but of course that's jmo.

[Adam]

"Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla — that amounts to $3,000 per resident."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html

I'd have to look that up. She wasn't mayor long enough to have a real track record with that anyway.

Still need more info on this. Technically any "bond issue" is debt. I'll dig on this myself, but if you have anything more substantial I'd be happy to see it.

[dirk digler]

Still need more info on this. Technically any "bond issue" is debt. I'll dig on this myself, but if you have anything more substantial I'd be happy to see it.

Here you go

Looks like it was for a mulit-use sports complex. And the bonds are due to be paid off (via a half percent sales tax) by 2012 but could be taken care of by 2011. The facility was $15 million- must be intrest brings it up to $20 million.
http://www.adn.com/matsu/story/412434.html

[HolmeZz]

I'm looking. I heard she got the town in debt because of some elaborate sports complex she had built.

[BucEyedPea]

I'm looking. I heard she got the town in debt because of some elaborate sports complex she had built.

Sports complex? Oh I don't like that one.

[BucEyedPea]

one of which has most recently demonstrated the willingness to pursue their "organized ideas" with such vigor as to alienate half the populace and most of the world. she seems likeable, but also seems inclined to the same type of "vigor". there seems to be ample "evidence", but of course that's jmo.

I really don't know her views on the war in Iraq. I don't think anyone does. So, so far there is not ample evidence on that. In fact that's been stated as an unknown.

The Iraq war ( and other belligerent war talk) seems to be the only one that fits with your description as that was what did that. I just don't agree or like the NeoCon ideology, which is what that would fit into.

[Adam]

Here you go



Just curious - why does this story show as "May, 2008", with all the comments indicating as such?

[dirk digler]

Just curious - why does this story show as "May, 2008", with all the comments indicating as such?

I will pull the link back up but it was from a Ron Paul forum

Edit: here you go http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1639903&postcount=5

[dirk digler]

I really don't know her views on the war in Iraq. I don't think anyone does. So, so far there is not ample evidence on that. In fact that's been stated as an unknown.

The Iraq war ( and other belligerent war talk) seems to be the only one that fits with your description as that was what did that. I just don't agree or like the NeoCon ideology, which is what that would fit into.

I posted her stance the other day. She said she didn't know the plan for Iraq. LMAO

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hmmmm 80% approval rating. Not bad!

:banghead:

And Bush had a 90% approval rating when he was gutting the civil liberties of this country and passing through his ruinous tax cuts.

[BucEyedPea]

I posted her stance the other day. She said she didn't know the plan for Iraq. LMAO

Well then, she'll have to be brought up to speed with tutoring just like Mac is getting in economics right now. Obama could use a primar or two as well on economics.

[BucEyedPea]

:banghead:

And Bush had a 90% approval rating when he was gutting the civil liberties of this country and passing through his ruinous tax cuts.

Hey, look she ran a local area and they like her. She didn't gut civil liberties.

[HolmeZz]

Hey, look she ran a local area and they like her. She didn't gut civil liberties.

Eh, she was Governor for a year and a half. Approval ratings are pretty pointless that soon. An example would be Bush's early approval ratings.

[dirk digler]

Well then, she'll have to be brought up to speed with tutoring just like Mac is getting in economics right now. Obama could use a primar or two as well on economics.

That means she isn't qualified to be VP end of story.

[VAChief]

Well then, she'll have to be brought up to speed with tutoring just like Mac is getting in economics right now. Obama could use a primar or two as well on economics.

I think you meant primer (not trying to be a smart ass).

[BucEyedPea]

That means she isn't qualified to be VP end of story.

Nope. This topic is about each our opinions on the matter.
That's what this one is about. Everyone has their own standard.

[dirk digler]

Nope. This topic is about each our opinions on the matter.
That's what this one is about. Everyone has their own standard.

Cmon BEP. Iraq is the #1 foreign policy issue in this country for the last 7 years and she says she doesn't know what the plan is.

That is just stupid. I mean my daughter at least knows what the plan is.

[BucEyedPea]

Eh, she was Governor for a year and a half. Approval ratings are pretty pointless that soon. An example would be Bush's early approval ratings.

Bush's were fueled by a tragedy that usually unites most people. That gives him an advantage. Not that your point has no merit at all. Anyhow I thought it was 2 years.

[BucEyedPea]

Cmon BEP. Iraq is the #1 foreign policy issue in this country for the last 7 years and she says she doesn't know what the plan is.

That is just stupid. I mean my daughter at least knows what the plan is.

I don't even know what the whole plan is. I don't think we know all. I think they want to stay forever but say otherwise.
Anyhow, she'll find out.

[dirk digler]

I don't even know what the whole plan is. I don't think we know all. I think they want to stay forever but say otherwise.
Anyhow, she'll find out.

The point is she should at least have an idea and she really has no clue. It is embarrassing.

[HolmeZz]

Anyhow I thought it was 2 years.

I think it was 18 months if you're being generous. I think you'd have to be really awful to f*ck up in that short a period of time.

[Bootlegged]

There are some serious losers on this site.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by Friendo View Post
one of which has most recently demonstrated the willingness to pursue their "organized ideas" with such vigor as to alienate half the populace and most of the world. she seems likeable, but also seems inclined to the same type of "vigor". there seems to be ample "evidence", but of course that's jmo.
You told me privately that you were referring to her stance on abortion as fitting this post? How does that position alienate half the populace and most of the world? Either stand on that issue alienates nearly half the populace from the get-go since statistics for and against are nearly evenly divided on that topic with it only shifting back and forth like 1-2%. That's why abortion is so controversial.

Thus, logically, the opposite stand from her has a similar effect.

[Friendo]

You told me privately that you were referring to her stance on abortion as fitting this post? How does that position alienate half the populace and most of the world? Either stand on that issue alienates nearly half the populace from the get-go since statistics for and against are nearly evenly divided on that topic with it only shifting back and forth like 1-2%. That's why abortion is so controversial.

Thus, logically, the opposite stand from her has a similar effect.

"one of which most recently"...maybe if you'd slow down with your freight-train opinion delivery your reading comprehension would improve.

[Pittsie]

Did the people who live there share that opinion?
Isn't it up to them? I think so. That's the way it's supposed to work.

Hmmmm 80% approval rating. Not bad!

Supposedly it's 65%, not 80%. Not that a high approval rating in a tiny state says d*ick about whether a governor is qualified to be VP (or, god forbid, Pres).

http://www.sodahead.com/question/144958/?tko=polls_recent