Responsibility does not end at conception

[SHTSPRAYER]

Remember when B.O. made that statement? Let me refresh your memories:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us/politics/15cnd-obama.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

70% of black children are born out of wedlock. Less than 12% of American women are black, yet they account for 35% of all abortions.

This tells me that if you are a black woman in America today, who gets pregnant, you really only have two choices: Have an abortion or have children out of wedlock.

Who's responsible for this?

[dirk digler]

The fathers

[HolmeZz]

What does a father's responsibility have to do with a woman's right to choose?

[Archie Bunker]

Shawn Kemp

[SHTSPRAYER]

The fathers


But they are not held accountable. How do we stop this?

[HolmeZz]

But they are not held accountable. How do we stop this?

Dunno, that's the issue Obama wants to deal with. I'm glad you're on the same page.

[dirk digler]

But they are not held accountable. How do we stop this?

Being a father myself there is not much you can do except the mother can try to get child support. It depends on the city\state whether they will enforce it or not.

[SHTSPRAYER]

What does a father's responsibility have to do with a woman's right to choose?

First of all, I wouldn't call a man (or a boy) who knocks up a woman a "father" just because he did what any dog or monkey is capable of doing.

But to answer your question, perhaps a woman makes the "choice" to have an abortion because the man who impregnated her abandoned her.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Dunno, that's the issue Obama wants to deal with. I'm glad you're on the same page.


The question though, is how?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Being a father myself there is not much you can do except the mother can try to get child support. It depends on the city\state whether they will enforce it or not.

So we should just maintain the status quo?

[BucEyedPea]

Remember when B.O. made that statement? Let me refresh your memories:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/us/politics/15cnd-obama.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

70% of black children are born out of wedlock. Less than 12% of American women are black, yet they account for 35% of all abortions.

This tells me that if you are a black woman in America today, who gets pregnant, you really only have two choices: Have an abortion or have children out of wedlock.

Who's responsible for this?
Planned Parenthood on the abortions. They have concentrated in black neighborhoods. It's good for business.

[HolmeZz]

First of all, I wouldn't call a man (or a boy) who knocks up a woman a "father" just because he did what any dog or monkey is capable of doing.

Wow, you're nailing Obama's talking points. I'm pretty sure he's used that exact line.

Congrats, SHITTY.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Planned Parenthood on the abortions. They have concentrated in black neighborhoods. It's good for business.

I find it quite shocking that 35% of all abortions are black babies, and 70% of black babies who are born are born without a father.

I'm surprised this isn't talked about more.

[dirk digler]

So we should just maintain the status quo?

I don't know what else to do except to enforce the laws.

here in MO if you don't pay your child support they send you a letter, then they start taking things away like your drivers license and if it gets bad then you go to jail.

[HolmeZz]

I find it quite shocking that 35% of all abortions are black babies, and 70% of black babies who are born are born without a father.

I'm surprised this isn't talked about more.

Out of wedlock does not mean without a father. That's why wedlock statistics needs to die.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Wow, you're nailing Obama's talking points. I'm pretty sure he's used that exact line.

Congrats, SHITTY.


That aside, should we just maintain the status quo?

[Direckshun]

I don't think there any easy answers. I definitely don't think there's an answer. The answers to reduce these abortion rates (and just as importantly, the out-of-wedlock rates) is to fundamentally change the sexual part (and the parts feeding into it) of African American lifestyles.

There's no really easy way to do that. It's going to take a national effort from citizens as well as those who set policy. It's going to take sexual education. It's going to take greater parent initiative in inner cities, and there aren't very many laws you can pass to help on that. There needs to be more inner city counseling for schools, more after school community organization.

There's no way you solve this problem by 2009, if you solve it at all. You'd be aiming for a decade from now at the soonest, and a consistent, clear-eyed agenda that wouldn't take its eyes off the prize for one day.

[Adept Havelock]

That aside, should we just maintain the status quo?

What's this? Is the AUTHORITATIVE VOICE OF CONSERVATISM known as "shts prayer" advocating the Government participating in "Social Engineering"? :eek:

Silly me. I always figured one of the first principles of Conservatism was less government intrusion into people's lives, not more.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Out of wedlock does not mean without a father. That's why the wedlock statistic needs to die.

That is true, some children are born to unwed parents who are very loving and nurturing.

So you suggest we maintain the status quo? 35% abortions, 70% out of wedlock in the black community?

[SHTSPRAYER]

What's this? Is the AUTHORITATIVE VOICE OF CONSERVATISM known as "shts prayer" advocating the Government participating in "Social Engineering"? :eek:

Why are you being evasive? Are you not shocked at those statistics. Indeed, I think it is social engineering that has created the mess in the black community.

[dirk digler]

I don't think there any easy answers. I definitely don't think there's an answer. The answers to reduce these abortion rates (and just as importantly, the out-of-wedlock rates) is to fundamentally change the sexual part (and the parts feeding into it) of African American lifestyles.

There's no really easy way to do that. It's going to take a national effort from citizens as well as those who set policy. It's going to take sexual education. It's going to take greater parent initiative in inner cities, and there aren't very many laws you can pass to help on that. There needs to be more inner city counseling for schools, more after school community organization.

There's no way you solve this problem by 2009, if you solve it at all. You'd be aiming for a decade from now at the soonest, and a consistent, clear-eyed agenda that wouldn't take its eyes off the prize for one day.

Yep and it also doesn't help that the majority of people in prison are blacks.

They need better opportunities in their neighborhoods and cities

[SHTSPRAYER]

I don't think there any easy answers. I definitely don't think there's an answer. The answers to reduce these abortion rates (and just as importantly, the out-of-wedlock rates) is to fundamentally change the sexual part (and the parts feeding into it) of African American lifestyles.

There's no really easy way to do that. It's going to take a national effort from citizens as well as those who set policy. It's going to take sexual education. It's going to take greater parent initiative in inner cities, and there aren't very many laws you can pass to help on that. There needs to be more inner city counseling for schools, more after school community organization.

There's no way you solve this problem by 2009, if you solve it at all. You'd be aiming for a decade from now at the soonest, and a consistent, clear-eyed agenda that wouldn't take its eyes off the prize for one day.

We've tried all that. It's not working.

[HolmeZz]

That aside, should we just maintain the status quo?

Of course not. You seem very interested in impacting a part of our society that Obama has tried to put into focus. That's good.

There are no real government solutions. It's a societal problem. I do think having a figure like Barack continually talking about it is very helpful to the cause.

[Direckshun]

We've tried all that. It's not working.
Well, we haven't.

But what would you suggest, honestly?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Yep and it also doesn't help that the majority of people in prison are blacks.


Do you know what the percentage of black inmates who are were born out of wedlock?

[BucEyedPea]

I find it quite shocking that 35% of all abortions are black babies, and 70% of black babies who are born are born without a father.

I'm surprised this isn't talked about more.

Looks like the whites are catching up on the fatherless ones. ( as in being in the home.)

[SHTSPRAYER]

But what would you suggest, honestly?

Make men who impregnate black woman accountable.

[HolmeZz]

Make men who impregnate black woman accountable.

How?

[dirk digler]

Do you know what the percentage of black inmates who are were born out of wedlock?

Nope. I would say it is high probably 70-90%

[Direckshun]

Make men who impregnate black woman accountable.
You've got my attention.

How would you do that? What's an idea you'd support?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Looks like the whites are catching up on the fatherless ones. ( as in being in the home.)

Yes, it's about 23% out of wedlock among caucasians. Many attribute that to popular cultural, and the lefts attack on the family and religion. What would you attribute it to?

[HolmeZz]

and the lefts attack on the family and religion.

Like Jamie Lynn Spears and Bristol Palin.

[dirk digler]

Yes, it's about 23% out of wedlock among caucasians. Many attribute that to popular cultural, and the lefts attack on the family and religion. What would you attribute it to?

I attribute it to shitty fathers.

Are you a father?

[Adept Havelock]

Why are you being evasive? Are you not shocked at those statistics. Indeed, I think it is social engineering that has created the mess in the black community.

I'm not being evasive at all.

I'm wondering what type of government intrusions into people's lives or what form of government social engineering you are calling for as a solution.

More Government intrusion in order to reach a social end...Goldwater would just shake his head at you and walk on by. :shake:

[SHTSPRAYER]

You've got my attention.

How would you do that? What's an idea you'd support?

Gee, I don't know. I'd like to think that they wouldn't need to be threatened to be a decent father to their children.

[Nightfyre]

Do you know what the percentage of black inmates who are were born out of wedlock?

Did you know that there is a strong correlation between legalizing abortion and the following decrease in crime?

Oh, you're just going to ignore statistics when they don't suit you? How predictable.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I'm not being evasive at all.

I'm wondering what type of government intrusions into people's lives or what form of government social engineering you are calling for as a solution.

More Government intrusion in order to reach a social end...Goldwater would just shake his head at you and walk on by.

So maybe we should take welfare away. I don't know. It's a real crisis, wouldn't you say?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Did you know that there is a strong correlation between legalizing abortion and the following decrease in crime?

Oh, you're just going to ignore statistics when they don't suit you? How predictable.


I majored in economics and I read Freakonomics.

So your solution to lowering crime is to increase abortion? Especially among blacks? Geez, it's already at 35%.

[Adept Havelock]

So maybe we should take welfare away. I don't know. It's a real crisis, wouldn't you say?

Yes, I think it is.

Now, I'm still wondering what kind of governmental "Social Engineering" you are calling for to correct it.

I thought "Social Engineering" was a moonbat kind of a thing. :shrug:

[Direckshun]

Yes, it's about 23% out of wedlock among caucasians. Many attribute that to popular cultural, and the lefts attack on the family and religion. What would you attribute it to?

You just can't let it die for one thread, can you?

ONE THREAD.

Jesus, you had a sensible idea SOMEWHERE in this thread, and you just can't connect the dots in society without a boogeyman to blame.

I guess you'd say black people have so many children out of wedlock and so many abortions because black people are generally LIBERAL and they generally VOTE DEMOCRATIC.

So your solution is for these black liberals to become black conservatives, since clearly abortion rates are lower in red states vs. blue states, right?

Wrong. Red states have higher abortion rates and higher out-of-wedlock births, almost across the board, than blue states.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Yes, I think it is.

Now, I'm still wondering what kind of governmental "Social Engineering" you are calling for to correct it.

I never suggested social engineering to correct it. In fact, I think I stated quite clearly that it is social engineering that has created the problem. Would you agree?

[BucEyedPea]

I never suggested social engineering to correct it. In fact, I think I stated quite clearly that it is social engineering that has created the problem. Would you agree?

Tell him he's arguing with a strawman.

[SHTSPRAYER]

You just can't let it die for one thread, can you?

ONE THREAD.

Jesus, you had a sensible idea SOMEWHERE in this thread, and you just can't connect the dots in society without a boogeyman to blame.

I guess you'd say black people have so many children out of wedlock and so many abortions because black people are generally LIBERAL and they generally VOTE DEMOCRATIC.

So your solution is for these black liberals to become black conservatives, since clearly abortion rates are lower in red states vs. blue states, right?

Wrong. Red states have higher abortion rates and higher out-of-wedlock births, almost across the board, than blue states.


Actually I was talking about the 23% out of wedlock birth rate of caucasians.

[Adept Havelock]

I never suggested social engineering to correct it.
So you don't think it should be "corrected" by fiat? How should it be corrected? Singing "Kum Ba Yah" and holding hands? Draconian penalties for fathers that abdicate responsibility (which is a form of, yes, social engineering)?


In fact, I think I stated quite clearly that it is social engineering that has created the problem.

I believe, like most of your posts, it's a vast oversimplification.


Would you agree?

I don't believe you've made that case. Personally, I think it's a part of it.

Perhaps you could find a nice op-ed to cut and paste to make that case to spare you the skull sweat? :p

[SHTSPRAYER]

Tell him he's arguing with a strawman.

Me or Adept?

[Nightfyre]

I majored in economics and I read Freakonomics.

So your solution to lowering crime is to increase abortion? Especially among blacks? Geez, it's already at 35%.
I don't have solution to the crime problem and am decidedly undecided on abortion.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I don't believe you've made that case. Perhaps you could find a nice op-ed to cut and paste to spare you the skull sweat? :p

I can tell this topic makes you uneasy. I understand. Good night.

[BucEyedPea]

Yes, it's about 23% out of wedlock among caucasians. Many attribute that to popular cultural, and the lefts attack on the family and religion. What would you attribute it to?

Social breakdown including of the family.

[Direckshun]

Actually I was talking about the 23% out of wedlock birth rate of caucasians.
It doesn't matter, you'd just simply assume that people are having abortions and out of wedlock births because of the left's attack on religion and values, WhateverTF that means.

It's statistically invalid. It's retarded.

[VAChief]

You just can't let it die for one thread, can you?

ONE THREAD.

Jesus, you had a sensible idea SOMEWHERE in this thread, and you just can't connect the dots in society without a boogeyman to blame.

I guess you'd say black people have so many children out of wedlock and so many abortions because black people are generally LIBERAL and they generally VOTE DEMOCRATIC.

So your solution is for these black liberals to become black conservatives, since clearly abortion rates are lower in red states vs. blue states, right?

Wrong. Red states have higher abortion rates and higher out-of-wedlock births, almost across the board, than blue states.

No he is suggesting it is because they are black period.

[Adept Havelock]

I can tell this topic makes you uneasy. I understand. Good night.

I appreciate the concern, but it doesn't make me uneasy at all.

I think you're just uneasy because I've pointed out that unless you are willing to let people make their own decisions (which has led to this point), some form of the dreaded "Social Engineering" is probably the only way to try to correct this crisis.

I can understand why you would rather attribute uneasiness to me than actually respond to the question.

Good night. ;)

Oh, and blaming people like me who view religion as organized superstition for this crisis is ROFL

[Direckshun]

No he is suggesting it is because they are black period.
But don't you see?

Black people live in the liberal cesspools of CITIES, which usually vote Democratic.

You see, these black people just lean on the government giving them everything so they learn to never take responsibility for their actions. They just sit around, getting fat off their massive welfare checks. If we REMOVE the props that government gives them, they'll stop having irresponsible sex.

That's the CONSERVATIVE answer that RED STATES follow.

Which is why they generally have higher abortion rates and higher out-of-wedlock births than blue states.

...

Don't you see? It makes perfect sense.

[dirk digler]

You never answered my question. Are you a father?

[alanm]

I don't think there any easy answers. I definitely don't think there's an answer. The answers to reduce these abortion rates (and just as importantly, the out-of-wedlock rates) is to fundamentally change the sexual part (and the parts feeding into it) of African American lifestyles.

There's no really easy way to do that. It's going to take a national effort from citizens as well as those who set policy. It's going to take sexual education. It's going to take greater parent initiative in inner cities, and there aren't very many laws you can pass to help on that. There needs to be more inner city counseling for schools, more after school community organization.

There's no way you solve this problem by 2009, if you solve it at all. You'd be aiming for a decade from now at the soonest, and a consistent, clear-eyed agenda that wouldn't take its eyes off the prize for one day.
Which means throwing billions more at education which ends up never being seen in the classroom. :shake:

[Direckshun]

You never answered my question. Are you a father?

He just disappeared. Put any pressure on him and he folds like a card table.

[Direckshun]

Which means throwing billions more at education which ends up never being seen in the classroom. :shake:
Hey, I didn't say this shit was easy.

[VAChief]

Which means throwing billions more at education which ends up never being seen in the classroom. :shake:

We could change that if we wanted to...it really is the best approach to most of the problems we have domestically from crime to global competitiveness.

[banyon]

But don't you see?

Black people live in the liberal cesspools of CITIES, which usually vote Democratic.

You see, these black people just lean on the government giving them everything so they learn to never take responsibility for their actions. They just sit around, getting fat off their massive welfare checks. If we REMOVE the props that government gives them, they'll stop having irresponsible sex.
.


Clinton got rid of welfare, remember? I've seen you pretend that lazy welfare is to blame for things several times now. In any event, that's not going to work as a solution to this problem since there's nothing left to cut there. I mean I guess you could cut food stamps also.

[J Diddy]

Which means throwing billions more at education which ends up never being seen in the classroom. :shake:


I'm curious as to Kotters take on that

[Friendo]

I'm curious as to Kotters take on that

or Sully's

[J Diddy]

I can tell this topic makes you uneasy. I understand. Good night.

uneasy, no

i think it has hints of racism personally, but hey I could be wrong

[J Diddy]

or Sully's

sully a teach too

[Friendo]

sully a teach too

something like that--he actually works with many of these "at-risk" kids. I won't deny it's a helluva problem, but BO has indicated he recognizes it, and wants to work on it.

[SHTSPRAYER]

But don't you see?

Black people live in the liberal cesspools of CITIES, which usually vote Democratic.

You see, these black people just lean on the government giving them everything so they learn to never take responsibility for their actions. They just sit around, getting fat off their massive welfare checks. If we REMOVE the props that government gives them, they'll stop having irresponsible sex.

That's the CONSERVATIVE answer that RED STATES follow.

Which is why they generally have higher abortion rates and higher out-of-wedlock births than blue states.

...

Don't you see? It makes perfect sense.

You sound very angry.

[SHTSPRAYER]

uneasy, no

i think it has hints of racism personally, but hey I could be wrong

Why would you suggest that?

[SHTSPRAYER]

I appreciate the concern, but it doesn't make me uneasy at all.

I think you're just uneasy because I've pointed out that unless you are willing to let people make their own decisions (which has led to this point), some form of the dreaded "Social Engineering" is probably the only way to try to correct this crisis.

I can understand why you would rather attribute uneasiness to me than actually respond to the question.

Good night. ;)

Oh, and blaming people like me who view religion as organized superstition for this crisis is ROFL

So I guess we should just continue to maintain the status quo?

[tiptap]

I think we should have National Health Care. And in that program, Birth Control Pills are easily obtained and paid for. Add to this a public service ad campaign that makes the availability known and the consequences understood. (Within the black communities you have to get over the stigma that the government has at times actively used medical practices against blacks.) Additionally you seek a more aggressive pursuit of child support. You do this for a couple of years and see if you have affected the statistics.

[SHTSPRAYER]

I think we should have National Health Care. And in that program, Birth Control Pills are easily obtained and paid for. .

Don't people on medicaid already have access to birth control?

[Sully]

something like that--he actually works with many of these "at-risk" kids. I won't deny it's a helluva problem, but BO has indicated he recognizes it, and wants to work on it.

I'll be a teacher next year, once I finish my post-grad stuff.
Right now, I work at a school full of the "at-risk" kids.

I think I've made clear before that I think no cost should be too high in funding schools. I think all schools should be funded equally, as well (once schools nationwide are brought up to code, so to speak). I don't believe it costs more to teach a kid in Leawood than it does in Wyandotte (I could actually argue the opposite). Grants and loans for future teachers, More out of school-type programs, especially at young ages (ESPECIALLY at young ages... I can't stress that enough). Higher pay for teachers (pay them like other professional workers, not like day-care workers).

And if the problem of money not making it into the classroom continues, you hire auditors to bust every employees ass daily asking where every cent goes. It costs a lot to teach, especially for teachers working in lower income areas, where they buy their own class supplies out of their pocket. But stealing money from kids is disgusting.

[tiptap]

Don't people on medicaid already have access to birth control?


NO

[tiptap]

Not part of the pharmacy plan.

[BucEyedPea]

You never answered my question. Are you a father?

Are you asking shtsprayer? I recall he mentioned having kids.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Not part of the pharmacy plan.

Well that needs to be corrected. Does medicaid cover abortion?

[Friendo]

I'll be a teacher next year, once I finish my post-grad stuff.
Right now, I work at a school full of the "at-risk" kids.

I think I've made clear before that I think no cost should be too high in funding schools. I think all schools should be funded equally, as well (once schools nationwide are brought up to code, so to speak). I don't believe it costs more to teach a kid in Leawood than it does in Wyandotte (I could actually argue the opposite). Grants and loans for future teachers, More out of school-type programs, especially at young ages (ESPECIALLY at young ages... I can't stress that enough). Higher pay for teachers (pay them like other professional workers, not like day-care workers).

And if the problem of money not making it into the classroom continues, you hire auditors to bust every employees ass daily asking where every cent goes. It costs a lot to teach, especially for teachers working in lower income areas, where they buy their own class supplies out of their pocket. But stealing money from kids is disgusting.

peeps like you are the ones we need as Administrators--at the very least, you should have a hand in setting policy. My guess is that the very peeps who complain about "the State of Education" are also likely to either care less about the front-line fighters like you, or simply love to have something to whine about. Kudo's Sully, and here's hoping you get more support on the local,national, (AND PARENTAL) level in the near future!

[tiptap]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20080902/hl_hsn/


'Bonding Gene' Could Help Men Stay Married

By E.J. Mundell
MONDAY, Sept. 1 (HealthDay News) -- Whether a man has one type of gene versus another could help decide whether he's good "husband material," a new study suggests.

A study of Swedish twin brothers found that differences in a gene modulating the hormone vasopressin were strongly tied to how well each man fared in marriage.

"Our main finding was an association between a variant of the vasopressin receptor 1a gene and how strong bonds men reported they had to their partners," said lead researcher Hasse Walum, of the department of medical epidemiology and biostatistics at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm. "Men carrying this variant scored on average lower on a scale measuring the strength of the bond compared to men not carrying this variant."

Women married to men carrying the "poorer bonding" form of the gene also reported "lower scores on levels of marital quality than women married to men not carrying this variant," Walum noted.

His team published its findings in this week's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academies of Science.

Walum's team first got interested in the role of vasopressin and bonding among males when studying a rodent, the vole. "Studies in voles have shown that the hormone vasopressin is released in the brain of males during mating," Walum explained.

Vasopressin activates the brain's reward system, and "you could say that mating-induced vasopressin release motivates male voles to interact with females they have mated with," Walum said. "This is not a sexual motivation, but rather a sort of prolonged social motivation." In other words, the more vasopressin in the brain, the more male voles want to stick around and mingle with the female after copulation is through. This effect "is more pronounced in the monogamous voles," Walum noted.

But voles and humans are very different species, so would the same effect hold true for men?

To find out, the Swedish team zeroed in the vasopressin 1a gene, which is shared by both species. Variations in this gene strongly influence vasopressin activity in the male vole, so Walum wondered if it might do the same for men.

To find out, his team looked for variants of the vasopressin 1a gene among 552 pairs of male twins enrolled in Sweden's ongoing Twin and Offspring Study. All of the men were currently in a relationship that had lasted at least five years, although about 18 percent of the men remained unmarried. The men were subjected to psychological tests assessing their ability to bond and commit, and the researchers also interviewed the men's spouses when possible.

They found that men with a certain variant, known as an allele, of the vasopressin 1a gene, called 334, tended to score especially low on a standard psychological test called the Partner Bonding Scale. They were also less likely to be married than men carrying another form of the gene. And carrying two copies of the 334 allele doubled the odds that the men had undergone some sort of marital crisis (for example, the threat of divorce) over the past year.

All of these findings "make sense," said Dr. John Lucas, a clinical associate professor of psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medical College in New York City. He said it's well known that genes help drive much of human behavior, including mate bonding.

But the vasopressin 1a gene is likely not the only factor influencing a man's ability to form true and lasting bonds, he added.

"It's unlikely to be a single gene [at work] -- it's likely to be multiple genes that are expressed incompletely and interact with the environment," said Lucas, who is also a psychiatrist at New York Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center. He pointed out that what psychologists call "temperament" -- the individual palette of emotions and behaviors that even babies display -- is probably "hard-wired" by our genetics. "But temperament, through training and experience, becomes personality," Lucas said. "And personality is a complicated situation, of course, and it involves the ability to commit."

So, it's too early for men to blame their inability to commit on a single gene, although Lucas guesses it's an excuse that's "certainly going to be used."

For his part, Walum agreed that men and their spouses shouldn't read too much into the finding.

"Taken together, the effect of the gene variant that we have studied on human pair-bonding behavior is rather small, and it can not, with any real accuracy, be used to predict how someone will behave in a future relationship," he said.

Walum also noted that the finding would probably not be applicable to women, since vasopressin appears to be tied to social bonding in males, but not females.

In a related study, also in the same issue of the journal, researchers at the Pacific Health Research Institute in Honolulu said they've identified a gene strongly linked to extended health and life span in humans. The FOXO3A gene, involved in insulin signaling, is just the second gene ever found that is closely tied to longevity, the researchers said. In their study of Japanese-American men, those who lived to an average age of 98 had a specific variant of FOXO3A compared to men who died at younger ages, the team said.

More information

There's more on genes and behavior at Stanford University.

[tiptap]

Add this to the pharmacy for the fathers.

[tiptap]

Well that needs to be corrected. Does medicaid cover abortion?

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/public_funding.html

[SHTSPRAYER]

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/public_funding.html

What about sterilization? That would kill both birds (birth control and abortion) with one stone.

[tiptap]

Statistics on this are harder to unwind. That is because it is covered if there is a Cesarian delivery and sterilization is done but not as an elective procedure.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Statistics on this are harder to unwind. That is because it is covered if there is a Cesarian delivery and sterilization is done but not as an elective procedure.


Hmmmmmmmmm.... This has gotten so complicated once we ruled out men being more responsible.

[tiptap]

Medical decisions are complicated and require that just any old man pronouncements to stay out of the decision.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Medical decisions are complicated and require that just any old man pronouncements to stay out of the decision.


I'm not sure where you are going with this. I think we need to refocus the main point in the thread:


“Too many fathers are M.I.A, too many fathers are AWOL, missing from too many lives and too many homes,” Mr. Obama said, to a chorus of approving murmurs from the audience. “They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it.”

[NewPhin]

I'm not sure where you are going with this. I think we need to refocus the main point in the thread:


“Too many fathers are M.I.A, too many fathers are AWOL, missing from too many lives and too many homes,” Mr. Obama said, to a chorus of approving murmurs from the audience. “They have abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men. And the foundations of our families are weaker because of it.”

Uhhh...Delaware?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Uhhh...Delaware?

35% of black babies are aborted. 70% of black babies who are born, are born out of wedlock.

Do you think this is a laughing matter?

[NewPhin]

35% of black babies are aborted. 70% of black babies who are born, are born out of wedlock.

Do you think this is a laughing matter?

Hair plugs?

[SHTSPRAYER]

Hair plugs?

That's a different thread. Do I have to report you to Dane McCloud?

[Programmer]

Dunno, that's the issue Obama wants to deal with. I'm glad you're on the same page.

Obama doesn't want to deal with it, he wants the mothers to have an abortion.

[Programmer]

I don't know what else to do except to enforce the laws.

here in MO if you don't pay your child support they send you a letter, then they start taking things away like your drivers license and if it gets bad then you go to jail.

In KS a judge will garnish your wages to cover child support.

[KC Fish]

Obama doesn't want to deal with it, he wants the mothers to have an abortion.

ROFL

You're a hoot.....

[WilliamTheIrish]

But they are not held accountable. How do we stop this?

The answer is obvious. We should neg rep every one of them. That'll show 'em.

[J Diddy]

The answer is obvious. We should neg rep every one of them. That'll show 'em.


I'm with you we could kill it

"neg rep for America"

[WilliamTheIrish]

I find it quite shocking that 35% of all abortions are black babies, and 70% of black babies who are born are born without a father.

I'm surprised this isn't talked about more.

I'm sure you and Angelina can adopt another, BRADSPRYER.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by SHTSPRAYER
and the lefts attack on the family and religion


Like Jamie Lynn Spears and Bristol Palin.

LMAO

HolmeZz drops the atom bomb.

[Programmer]

ROFL

You're a hoot.....


Not really, if he had his way we would have forced abortions.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Now you guys are just being silly.

:jester:

[KC Fish]

Not really, if he had his way we would have forced abortions.

Don't forget the monthly sacrificial white baby at the alter of Negro Allah.... I heard he wants that too....


T0m, you're pretty disturbed.

[Programmer]

Don't forget the monthly sacrificial white baby at the alter of Negro Allah.... I heard he wants that too....


T0m, you're pretty disturbed.

You post that shit and say I'm disturbed?

You should be institutionalized.

[KC Fish]

You post that shit and say I'm disturbed?

You should be institutionalized.

It's OK to incorrectly say Obama wants forced abortions, but not to incorrectly say he wants white human sacrifices?

I can't keep up with the limits of your slandering....

[Programmer]

It's OK to incorrectly say Obama wants forced abortions, but not to incorrectly say he wants white human sacrifices?

I can't keep up with the limits of your slandering....

You haven't heard him speak lately have you?

None of us can keep up with the limits of your stupidity, I don't think anyone is really trying. You can go home now.

[KC Fish]

You haven't heard him speak lately have you?

None of us can keep up with the limits of your stupidity, I don't think anyone is really trying. You can go home now.

Yes, I have heard him speak. And I would bet you $1000 right now that if you went to 100 random people and asked them if they thought Obama was in favor of forced abortions, you wouldn't find 3 other people that agreed with your insane view.

Of course believability has never been your strong suite....

[VAChief]

Not really, if he had his way we would have forced abortions.

You are a sad little man. I don't say that lightly nor to antagonize you but you do need help.

[SHTSPRAYER]

The answer is obvious. We should neg rep every one of them. That'll show 'em.

Are you still harping about that, Billy?

[Programmer]

You are a sad little man. I don't say that lightly nor to antagonize you but you do need help.

You need to pick up your toys and go home. You are an ignorant asshole.

You need help far more than anyone i've ever seen post on this board. Your ****ing ego must enter a room 2 days before you get there.

[Programmer]

Yes, I have heard him speak. And I would bet you $1000 right now that if you went to 100 random people and asked them if they thought Obama was in favor of forced abortions, you wouldn't find 3 other people that agreed with your insane view.

Of course believability has never been your strong suite....

Still showing your inability to discuss without insults. You really need to work on that.

It's obvious that you didn't get the joke the first three times, so try this one.

Obslama wants to force young black women to abort rather than to give birth to fatherless children.

[VAChief]

You need to pick up your toys and go home. You are an ignorant asshole.

You need help far more than anyone i've ever seen post on this board. Your ****ing ego must enter a room 2 days before you get there.

That will certainly change my opinion well done.

[Programmer]

That will certainly change my opinion well done.

Your opinion is like your asshole, it stinks.

You are the finest example of a non-entity I've ever seen.

When you grow up come back and see if you can fit in as an adult.

[VAChief]

Your opinion is like your asshole, it stinks.

You are the finest example of a non-entity I've ever seen.

When you grow up come back and see if you can fit in as an adult.

Whatever Grandpa Simpson. Time to put you back on ignore. Enough hate in the world without listening to your vile attacks.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Your opinion is like your asshole, it stinks.




ROFL

[KC Fish]

Still showing your inability to discuss without insults. You really need to work on that.

It's obvious that you didn't get the joke the first three times, so try this one.

Obslama wants to force young black women to abort rather than to give birth to fatherless children.

Are you now trying to turn your hateful slander into some sort of distasteful joke?

[KC Fish]

Your opinion is like your asshole, it stinks.


T0m.... we've told you several times.... quit sniffing people's asses. It's a bannable offense.

[Programmer]

T0m.... we've told you several times.... quit sniffing people's asses. It's a bannable offense.

Your ass stinks though the internet wireless, does that tell you anything?

Being stupid is a bannable offense, and dude ... you are stupid.

[Programmer]

Are you now trying to turn your hateful slander into some sort of distasteful joke?

It was always a distasteful joke, your inability to read through that only indicates your ignorance.. Go with it though, it's your best bet.

[J Diddy]

You need to pick up your toys and go home. You are an ignorant asshole.

You need help far more than anyone i've ever seen post on this board. Your ****ing ego must enter a room 2 days before you get there.



Are you capable of having an intelligent conversation without "nailing" the other guy. Seems to me attacking the man is the last resort of a person who can't attack the argument.

[Programmer]

Are you capable of having an intelligent conversation without "nailing" the other guy. Seems to me attacking the man is the last resort of a person who can't attack the argument.

Have you bothered to read the string of comments?

This is a two way street, the other party is not innocent.

Why must you inject your unwanted opinion?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Are you still harping about that, Billy?

[Channeling Donger] Harping about what?