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Rausch
09-06-2008, 08:23 PM
So, the old Mac I've got will cost more to upgrade (Ram, new 0S, et) than just buying a new low-end PC. I really haven't used a PC much since 2000 so I'm pretty out of the loop there.

The stepdaughter will be doing her school online and can't with the mac I've got. Since I can't afford a new PC and PS3 the puter will be my new gamestation and want to hook it up to play Netflix movies on the TV.

I've looked at a few deals I'd like you PC nerds to give your thoughts on and any recemondations (no Gateways, thx) would be appreciated.

Mostly looking at this: http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=7387417&Redir=1&description=HP-Smart%20Buy%20dc5800%20Intel%20Core%202%20Duo%20E8400%203GHz%20Desktop%20-%20Ships%20with%20XP%20Pro%20installed%20with%20option%20to%20upgrade%20to%20Vista-Desktop%20Computers

And this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227087

Geek advice?...

Jewish Rabbi
09-06-2008, 08:26 PM
The computer from New Egg looks better to me...A lot bigger hard drive, faster cpu, and the price is a lot better.

Ebolapox
09-06-2008, 08:32 PM
wait just one f*cking minute there, brad. macs are expensive? WTF? I had NO clue!!!


:p

Rausch
09-06-2008, 09:48 PM
I'd expected more feedback from you bastids...

irishjayhawk
09-06-2008, 09:52 PM
Why can't your daughter do her schooling on your mac?

Count Zarth
09-06-2008, 09:53 PM
Don't expect to game on either of those...

Rausch
09-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Why can't your daughter do her schooling on your mac?

I'd need to upgrade my OS to accomodate the newest java. On top of that add over 500+ gigs of ram. Perhaps even then the new OS wouldn't run all that smooth with my ancient processor (G4 - 800mghz.)

Don't expect to game on either of those...

Any deeper thoughts there Padwan?...

Count Zarth
09-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Video cards are shit. Otherwise I'd get the second one...can't go wrong with a Q6600 and 4GB for 600 bucks.

If you want to upgrade the video card on the second one it'd be a snap...has a free PCI-E port. Get an 8800GT.

irishjayhawk
09-06-2008, 10:03 PM
I'd need to upgrade my OS to accomodate the newest java. On top of that add over 500+ gigs of ram. Perhaps even then the new OS wouldn't run all that smooth with my ancient processor (G4 - 800mghz.)



Any deeper thoughts there Padwan?...

I hope you know that RAM is not Storage. I think you know that though. ;)

But yeah, that's an old mac.

I'd probably go with the newegg one. I like it's specs.

Claythan - the Video cards aren't terrible.

Rausch
09-06-2008, 10:05 PM
Video cards are shit. Otherwise I'd get the second one...can't go wrong with a Q6600 and 4GB for 600 bucks.

If you want to upgrade the video card on the second one it'd be a snap...has a free PCI-E port. Get an 8800GT.

I'm tring to keep under $1,200 for everything (monitor, upgrades, etc.)

Most "out of the box" desktops come with $#it vidcards. I'd expected that, but I don't need to p0wn the competition, just enough muscle to run the games as inteded for 2-3 years...

Count Zarth
09-06-2008, 10:05 PM
I hope you know that RAM is not Storage. I think you know that though. ;)

But yeah, that's an old mac.

I'd probably go with the newegg one. I like it's specs.

Claythan - the Video cards aren't terrible.

They're freakin' integrated. If he wants to do any gaming at all he needs to get a real video card. Neither of those cards will run Mass Effect well.

irishjayhawk
09-06-2008, 10:07 PM
They're freakin' integrated. If he wants to do any gaming at all he needs to get a real video card. Neither of those cards will run Mass Effect well.

The second one was an Nvidia 7000 series. I don't think that's integrated.

Unless I'm missing something....

EDIT: Yep, I missed the Integrated part in the detailed specs. The headline just said Nvidia 7000 series, which isn't necessarily Integrated.

Count Zarth
09-06-2008, 10:08 PM
The second one was an Nvidia 7000 series. I don't think that's integrated.

Unless I'm missing something....

You are. It's a piece of shit. It barely runs Unreal Tournament 2004

Rausch
09-06-2008, 10:09 PM
I hope you know that RAM is not Storage. I think you know that though. ;)

But yeah, that's an old mac.

I'd probably go with the newegg one. I like it's specs.


Newegg is my choice, the PCmall (still get PC/MAC mall mailers from my last purchase) is hers.

What I have is WAY beyond behind (new games, photoshop, illustrator, final cut pro, etc.)

irishjayhawk
09-06-2008, 10:12 PM
You could always build your own. Better value a lot of the time.

Count Zarth
09-06-2008, 10:12 PM
Hey Rausch, if you've got 1200 bucks to spend...get this (monitor and all):

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Infinity_6000_Lightning/

irishjayhawk
09-06-2008, 10:15 PM
Hey Rausch, if you've got 1200 bucks to spend...get this (monitor and all):

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Infinity_6000_Lightning/

Or spend $92 more and get a blu-ray player too.

TrickyNicky
09-06-2008, 10:27 PM
Go with the Newegg one. Buy one of these (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318) at your own discretion. Price may come down another $20-$30 in the meantime.

Rausch
09-06-2008, 10:33 PM
You could always build your own. Better value a lot of the time.

All the time.

But time and desire are not on my side. And I haven't worked in a puter lab in almost 6 years now.

Rausch
09-06-2008, 10:36 PM
Hey Rausch, if you've got 1200 bucks to spend...get this (monitor and all):

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Infinity_6000_Lightning/

I don't see where the monitor is listed...

TrickyNicky
09-06-2008, 10:37 PM
If you're gonna run it to your TV, you're going to want a GPU card with a TV-out, right?

Rausch
09-06-2008, 10:43 PM
If you're gonna run it to your TV, you're going to want a GPU card with a TV-out, right?

I'm not sure how to do it. The comp room is upstairs with the tv downstairs. Considering the space here moving the PC down isn't really an option.

I'll have to run a bunch of ugly (and costly) wires or find some wireless solution. That and the inputs on my ancient stereo are S video/AV audio only.

TrickyNicky
09-06-2008, 10:51 PM
There is a DVI to S-Video adapter. Some newer cards come with them.

Rausch
09-06-2008, 10:58 PM
There is a DVI to S-Video adapter. Some newer cards come with them.

Nice.

Will the audio be as easy though?

And what about wireless? Any options there?

TrickyNicky
09-06-2008, 11:03 PM
Wireless video? Nah, not without a middleman. What I have is a computer with Vista on a wireless network. My Xbox360 with a wireless adapter then reads the Media Center on the computer and streams the files from it.

Rausch
09-06-2008, 11:08 PM
Wireless video? Nah, not without a middleman. What I have is a computer with Vista on a wireless network. My Xbox360 with a wireless adapter then reads the Media Center on the computer and streams the files from it.

So I'm looking at extra (expensive) components to go the wireless route?

TrickyNicky
09-06-2008, 11:12 PM
Heres this for audio:

http://www.amazon.com/Console-Adapter-Convert-Plugs-Single/dp/B0006U3ACY/ref=pd_sim_dbs_e_1

Jewish Rabbi
09-07-2008, 01:09 AM
I'm not sure how to do it. The comp room is upstairs with the tv downstairs. Considering the space here moving the PC down isn't really an option.

I'll have to run a bunch of ugly (and costly) wires or find some wireless solution. That and the inputs on my ancient stereo are S video/AV audio only.

My new laptop has s video...Not that you're gonna want wires everywhere anyway, but just saying.

Count Zarth
09-07-2008, 02:58 AM
I don't see where the monitor is listed...

You have to add it in the configuration...you configure the system over several pages.

Valiant
09-07-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm tring to keep under $1,200 for everything (monitor, upgrades, etc.)

Most "out of the box" desktops come with $#it vidcards. I'd expected that, but I don't need to p0wn the competition, just enough muscle to run the games as inteded for 2-3 years...

1200?????

You can buy local and upgrade for probably half of that..

Depending if you want to play games to their max I would look at a Vista 64 model at a brick and mortar store.. 64 will go up to 8gigs.. And you can get 9600gt or 8800gts for about 120 after rebates.. Most of these models come with 3-4gigs of memory already..

You can go cheaper by going to one of these brick and mortar stores and get the normal Vista Premium(Yeah I know people hate Vista, but it has gotten much much better with its updates.. kind of like XP) I bought a gateway gt5432 on clearence for 192dollars, added 2gigs of ram for 50 bucks(total of 4gig ddr2) and a pci16 9600gt for 120dollars.. I already had a 20" widescreen that I bought last xmas for 150dollars on sale(samsung)

So 500+ bucks for brand new stuff.. It will be able to play all games for 4 years no problem..