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Silock
09-12-2008, 02:20 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/beck.palin/index.html

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Campaigns are ugly. Watching the way politicians act makes you long for the respect and self-control of the Sopranos. Throughout, there are legitimate attacks and outright lies.

Every once in a while, I get a call on my radio show from someone telling me that Barack Obama is secretly a Muslim, who admitted it in an interview with George Stephanopoulos, and has a fake birth certificate. No, no, and no. As I tell them, there are legitimate reasons not to vote for Barack Obama, no need to make them up.

But the newest target is Sarah Palin. Let's take a quick look at just a fraction of what she has faced in her first few days as John McCain's choice for vice president.

"Sarah Palin believes God told her to go to war with Iraq!"

There has been some hard-core journalistic malpractice on this one. The Associated Press ran this headline about a speech she gave at her church: "Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'"

In the story, they omit the first part of the sentence they're quoting along with the entire previous sentence for good measure.

Here are her actual words: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Palin is clearly praying that we're doing the right thing in Iraq, something sensible for an introspective woman of faith concerned about the lives of our troops to do. She's not saying that she just received a text message from heaven's BlackBerry ordering her to launch missiles. Sorry to disappoint you.

And for those of you who think politicians asking God for guidance is offensive, might I remind you of this famous politician's prayer:

"Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will." --Barack Obama

"She has no experience!"

It's fair to assume that Barack Obama believed he was qualified to be in the White House when he announced he was running for president. At that point, he had been a U.S. Senator for 767 days. When Sarah Palin was announced as a vice presidential candidate, she had been the governor of Alaska for 634 days.

While I'm sure those extra 133 days were filled with personal discovery, I can't imagine anyone seriously trying to make the case that Obama is experienced and Palin isn't.

Unless, of course, you're Matt Damon, who said a Palin presidency would be a really "scary thing" because she has been "governor of Alaska for...for less than two years!" (Damon originally expressed his presidential preference for Obama in December 2006, when he had been a senator for less than two years.)

More importantly, Palin's career has been filled with executive experience. She's the only one of the four in this race who has run a business, town, and/or state (a state that gives her crucial energy experience in the middle of an energy crisis).

When Obama's campaign complains that Palin would be one heartbeat away from the presidency, they should consider that their candidate would be zero heartbeats away.

"But Obama is running a huge campaign -- Palin was just a small town mayor!"

Believe it or not, this one was actually trotted out by Obama himself.

"My understanding is, is that Gov. Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We've got 2,500 in this campaign. I think the budget is maybe $12 million a year. We have a budget of about three times that just for the month."

Apparently, Barack missed that she's become the governor of Alaska in the interim. Why would he compare his current duties with her former duties?

Well, since he announced his candidacy, Barack Obama has raised about $22 million a month. That's a large organization for sure, unless you are directly comparing it to Sarah Palin, who is handling state revenues that are about 61 times as large, or more than $1.3 billion per month.

"Palin only supports abstinence to be taught in sex-ed!"

This claim is usually followed by a super classy comment about her daughter and the use of contraception, but the premise is false. Palin hasn't said she doesn't want condoms discussed in sex-ed, calling their discussion "relatively benign."

"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that," Palin said. Hers is hardly an extreme point of view in America today.

"If she cares about children with special needs, then why did she cut spending on them by 62 percent?"

Actually, Palin almost tripled their funding in only three years from $26,900 per student to $73,840 per student.

Incidentally, the amount of government money you spend on a specific group doesn't equal the amount you care for that group, but that's another story for another column.

All of these represent just a small percentage of the bizarre collection of claims being thrown at Palin by her opponents and some in the media -- who are desperately hoping something will stick. I leave you with my favorite so far: The Internet rumors that she harbors racism against Eskimos. If true, she sure has a strange way of expressing it -- her husband, Todd, is half Yupik Inuit Eskimo.

To balance that out, she must really love his other half.

BIG_DADDY
09-12-2008, 02:23 PM
Dude, the self riteous hate filled hypocritical far left lives by the saying " The end justifies the means" This forum is a great example.

Garcia Bronco
09-12-2008, 02:32 PM
Who the heck is Matt Damon?

chiefforlife
09-12-2008, 02:41 PM
Who the heck is Matt Damon?

Who the heck is Sarah Palin?

NewChief
09-12-2008, 02:45 PM
Glenn Beck is a serious douchebag. I've watched his show a few times lately, and it's just a bunch of conservatives on there making outlandishly partisan statements.

Garcia Bronco
09-12-2008, 02:46 PM
Who the heck is Sarah Palin?


She's the governor of Alaska and the VP on the Republican Ticket

Garcia Bronco
09-12-2008, 02:46 PM
Glenn Beck is a serious douchebag. I've watched his show a few times lately, and it's just a bunch of conservatives on there making outlandishly partisan statements.


I caught it a few days ago and could only listen to it for a few moments.

chiefforlife
09-12-2008, 02:47 PM
Glenn Beck is a serious douchebag. I've watched his show a few times lately, and it's just a bunch of conservatives on there making outlandishly partisan statements.

Ever listen to Dan Caplis?(sp), even bigger douchebag.

chiefforlife
09-12-2008, 02:49 PM
She's the governor of Alaska and the VP on the Republican Ticket

Oh Yeah, the hockey mom, posing as a serious candidate for VP.

RJ
09-12-2008, 02:51 PM
Glenn Beck is always the source I turn to first for news.

chiefforlife
09-12-2008, 02:53 PM
Glenn Beck is always the source I turn to first for news.

He is one of the few people not afraid to speak out on illegal immigration. For that I give him credit.

Ultra Peanut
09-12-2008, 03:01 PM
Glenn Beck onNo.

Silock
09-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Who the heck is Matt Damon?

He's the guy that's ****ing Jimmy Kimmel's gf.

Silock
09-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Glenn Beck is a serious douchebag. I've watched his show a few times lately, and it's just a bunch of conservatives on there making outlandishly partisan statements.

Most of the time, yes. That doesn't make him wrong on everything, though.

mlyonsd
09-12-2008, 03:03 PM
Glenn Beck is a serious douchebag. I've watched his show a few times lately, and it's just a bunch of conservatives on there making outlandishly partisan statements.

Much like Matt Damon on the other side.

SNR
09-12-2008, 03:04 PM
I am SICK of these Washington FAT CATS and their ABSURD, WEIRD NO-DRILL policies!11

Ultra Peanut
09-12-2008, 03:04 PM
Much like Matt Damon on the other side.what

Frankie
09-12-2008, 09:02 PM
Glenn Beck is a serious douchebag. I've watched his show a few times lately, and it's just a bunch of conservatives on there making outlandishly partisan statements.

Plus he is one of the most condescending RWNJ's I've ever seen. He clowns up any expression from the left with a blatant "I smart, you dumb" attitude. He is worse than Limbaugh in that Rush's assholery (I just coined a word) is out in the open and obvious. Beck's is always wrapped and hidden in "jokes."

Frankie
09-12-2008, 09:04 PM
Glenn Beck is always the source I turn to first for news.

Hence, the country is in the shape that it is.

Mecca
09-12-2008, 09:07 PM
Glenn Beck is such a dipshit, he's like the Roy of TV.

Logical
09-12-2008, 10:28 PM
Oh F*ck her in the ass, this is crazy. Here are her actual words:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Clearly if she was a Imam this board would be going crazy that he was planning a holy Jihad. That people somehow are excusing this bullshit just because she is a Republican is repugnant to me.

ROYC75
09-13-2008, 12:06 AM
Oh F*ck her in the ass, this is crazy. Here are her actual words:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Clearly if she was a Imam this board would be going crazy that he was planning a holy Jihad. That people somehow are excusing this bullshit just because she is a Republican is repugnant to me.

That's BS Jim, all Christians pray that the things we do be God's will or that we pray that it be within God's will when it comes to a serious issue like war. It's always been this way ......Stop reading into it to satisfy your own personal beliefs. To the atheist of the world, a Christian can do no right.

I knew I should have went to bed .........:grr:

ROYC75
09-13-2008, 12:10 AM
Glenn Beck is such a dipshit, he's like the Roy of TV.
Hey numb nuts, if you weren't so damn far left you might just see something to the right ....

BTA, you want to compare me to Glenn Beck, go ahead, he is spot on with the majority of the issues in this country. The guy speaks his mind and doesn't care who he piss's off .

Logical
09-13-2008, 12:12 AM
That's BS Jim, all Christians pray that the things we do be God's will or that we pray that it be within God's will when it comes to a serious issue like war. It's always been this way ......Stop reading into it to satisfy your own personal beliefs. To the atheist of the world, a Christian can do no right.

I knew I should have went to bed .........:grr:

You should have, but do you have the ability to engage the US in war like Palin will when McCain dies?

ROYC75
09-13-2008, 12:18 AM
Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God.That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan

.

Jim, read it again, make sure the 1st line is being used, as it was when she said it, use it as she is asking, she is asking them to pray for the men and women who are striving to do what is right.

This lays the ground work of suspicion, to pray for wisdom and leadership of God's will for our country ...... the 2nd part ...Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. Again, still seeking that info, that wisdom and knowledge that all Christian pray for in prayer.

Then she confirms it again, That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan


Again, she is making sure to those that pray, this is the way we must pray......

Ask any Christian, any minister, pastor and you will get this very same answer.

ROYC75
09-13-2008, 12:20 AM
You should have, but do you have the ability to engage the US in war like Palin will when McCain dies?


Now you are asking about something nobody knows of . How about this one, Obama claims to be a Christian, Reverse the candidates. When he prays, will it be something different ? If he believes in GOD, he will pray it the same way, with the question of seeking wisdom and knowledge to do Gods will.

Obama has prayed this way before, not on a comment about war, but he would use the same approach.

Logical
09-13-2008, 03:53 AM
Now you are asking about something nobody knows of . How about this one, Obama claims to be a Christian, Reverse the candidates. When he prays, will it be something different ? If he believes in GOD, he will pray it the same way, with the question of seeking wisdom and knowledge to do Gods will.

Obama has prayed this way before, not on a comment about war, but he would use the same approach.My guess if he is to invoke god's will it is to eliminate poverty as much as possible, implement a health policy that relieves the tremendous burden on Americans, etc.

Smed1065
09-13-2008, 04:36 AM
OMG I changed my vote cause a "star" said so!

Who gives a ****, like they are worried unless we get overtaken.

Like someone said earlier, if gas goes up, they do not care, they do not even pump their own gas.

Yeah I want them deciding for the backbone of America!!

chagrin
09-13-2008, 06:09 AM
Glenn Beck is a serious douchebag. I've watched his show a few times lately, and it's just a bunch of conservatives on there making outlandishly partisan statements.

Surely you didn't read that article and think just this? Even though I am a righty, he clearly put out a few statements, that were actually written, and broke them down; a very sensible way to demonstrate one's side of things.

chagrin
09-13-2008, 06:22 AM
Glenn Beck is such a dipshit, he's like the Roy of TV.

you're the Roy of this thread

chagrin
09-13-2008, 06:22 AM
what

huh

The Rick
09-13-2008, 09:09 AM
Jim, read it again, make sure the 1st line is being used, as it was when she said it, use it as she is asking, she is asking them to pray for the men and women who are striving to do what is right.

This lays the ground work of suspicion, to pray for wisdom and leadership of God's will for our country ...... the 2nd part ...Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. Again, still seeking that info, that wisdom and knowledge that all Christian pray for in prayer.

Then she confirms it again, That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan


Again, she is making sure to those that pray, this is the way we must pray......

Ask any Christian, any minister, pastor and you will get this very same answer.
Don't even bother. I already tried to fight this fight. It's useless...some people just refuse to take their blinders off.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=4971176#post4971176

HonestChieffan
09-13-2008, 09:17 AM
Matt Damomn and the other Hollywierd types are the poster children for the Obama Bots

Frankie
09-13-2008, 08:33 PM
Oh F*ck her in the ass, this is crazy. Here are her actual words:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Clearly if she was a Imam this board would be going crazy that he was planning a holy Jihad. That people somehow are excusing this bullshit just because she is a Republican is repugnant to me.
That's BS Jim, all Christians pray that the things we do be God's will or that we pray that it be within God's will when it comes to a serious issue like war. It's always been this way ......Stop reading into it to satisfy your own personal beliefs. To the atheist of the world, a Christian can do no right.

I knew I should have went to bed .........
That's BS Jim, all Christians pray that the things we do be God's will or that we pray that it be within God's will when it comes to a serious issue like war. It's always been this way ......Stop reading into it to satisfy your own personal beliefs. To the atheist of the world, a Christian can do no right.

I knew I should have went to bed .........:grr:

So let me see, praying to God, when it comes to war, is only a Christian thing and a Moslem has no right to do it without being considered a jihadist/terrorist. :hmmm:

ROYC75
09-13-2008, 09:44 PM
So let me see, praying to God, when it comes to war, is only a Christian thing and a Moslem has no right to do it without being considered a jihadist/terrorist. :hmmm:

The New Testament does not teach of the radical fight till death for God as the Old Testament did. The Islamic terrorist believe in a different God, reason of there aggression and fight till death. This goes against the basic principals of th New Testament that we are to live by.

As for the Right for Moslem's ? Not all Moslem's feel this way. The radical Islamic terrorist do, it is there desire to kill and ask questions later. They are a threat to us, we are not to threat to them, the Moslem world. So, do they have a right, Yes, But I have a problem with Allah, he was suppose to be a messenger of God,much as in the likes of Gabriel , the Moslem's worship him as much, if not more than God.

They do believe in some of the teaching of the bible, but they have an added dimension that Christians do not believe in....There stance in forbidding what is evil . The Islamic moslems do this by means of fighting, killing, torture, whatever it takes to stop evil,anything that threatens them or their religion. That's not the nature of Christianity in the New Testament that Jesus speaks about.

Logical
09-13-2008, 11:15 PM
Jim, read it again, make sure the 1st line is being used, as it was when she said it, use it as she is asking, she is asking them to pray for the men and women who are striving to do what is right.

This lays the ground work of suspicion, to pray for wisdom and leadership of God's will for our country ...... the 2nd part ...Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. Again, still seeking that info, that wisdom and knowledge that all Christian pray for in prayer.

Then she confirms it again, That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan


Again, she is making sure to those that pray, this is the way we must pray......

Ask any Christian, any minister, pastor and you will get this very same answer.

I don't care who it is, if you ask God to help you kill people of another persuasion and to provide the plan through some sort of divine guidance you are conducting a f*cking Holy War, Jihad. History is full of these motherf*cking people, people like Pope Gregory the 7th. I can read and this gutterslut is saying we are doing our killing in the name of God.

Frankie
09-13-2008, 11:59 PM
The New Testament does not teach of the radical fight till death for God as the Old Testament did.

Isn't the Old Testament also a part of your religion as a Chritian?

The Islamic terrorist believe in a different God,...

Wrong. Moslems believe in the same God of Abraham as you do.

As for the Right for Moslem's ? Not all Moslem's feel this way. The radical Islamic terrorist do, it is there desire to kill and ask questions later.

My comment was based on your statement that reflected Christian "ownership" of God and the right to approve our political/military actions by calling them "Missions from God." We did the same "killing and asking questions later" in Iraq. We call ours "Shock and Awe" and theirs' "Terrorism."

They are a threat to us, we are not to threat to them, the Moslem world.

Since when? You obviously need to read up on American post-WW2 history of politics in the ME.

So, do they have a right, Yes, But I have a problem with Allah, he was suppose to be a messenger of God,much as in the likes of Gabriel , the Moslem's worship him as much, if not more than God.

WTF??!! Allah=God

They do believe in some of the teaching of the bible, but they have an added dimension that Christians do not believe in....There stance in forbidding what is evil . The Islamic moslems do this by means of fighting, killing, torture, whatever it takes to stop evil,anything that threatens them or their religion. That's not the nature of Christianity in the New Testament that Jesus speaks about.

The very expression "Salam Alaikum" means "Peace be Upon You." The point is peace is talked about, philosophized, and promoted in ALL religions. It's not the teaching that should be questioned, but the students. Students of both religions (and the Jewish religion as well) have a pretty bloody history of violence. Next time, Roy, you try to cast the first stone make sure that you are without sin.

Logical
09-14-2008, 01:38 AM
Isn't the Old Testament also a part of your religion as a Chritian?



Wrong. Moslems believe in the same God of Abraham as you do.



My comment was based on your statement that reflected Christian "ownership" of God and the right to approve our political/military actions by calling them "Missions from God." We did the same "killing and asking questions later" in Iraq. We call ours "Shock and Awe" and theirs' "Terrorism."



Since when? You obviously need to read up on American post-WW2 history of politics in the ME.



WTF??!! Allah=God



The very expression "Salam Alaikum" means "Peace be Upon You." The point is peace is talked about, philosophized, and promoted in ALL religions. It's not the teaching that should be questioned, but the students. Students of both religions (and the Jewish religion as well) have a pretty bloody history of violence. Next time, Roy, you try to cast the first stone make sure that you are without sin.Nice try Frankie, but sometimes the ignorant cannot be freed of their bondage to the ingrained ignorance of the right wing and Christian fundamentalists.

patteeu
09-14-2008, 07:50 AM
I don't care who it is, if you ask God to help you kill people of another persuasion and to provide the plan through some sort of divine guidance you are conducting a f*cking Holy War, Jihad. History is full of these motherf*cking people, people like Pope Gregory the 7th. I can read and this gutterslut is saying we are doing our killing in the name of God.

I don't think people with self-indulgent, homemade religions ought to be pretending to be experts in the meaning/purpose of prayer.