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banyon
09-12-2008, 03:06 PM
Didn't see this posted in the other Palin fest threads.

Palin's town used to bill victims for rape kits
Updated 1d 6h ago

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-10-rape-exams_N.htm

Source: Associated Press.
By Ken Dilanian and Matt Kelley, USA TODAY
WASILLA, Alaska — In 2000, Alaska lawmakers learned that rural police agencies had been billing rape victims or their insurance companies $500 to $1,200 for the costs of the forensic medical examinations used to gather evidence. They quickly passed a law prohibiting the practice.
According to the sponsor, Democrat Eric Croft, the law was aimed in part at Wasilla, where now-Gov. Sarah Palin was mayor. When it was signed, Wasilla's police chief expressed displeasure.

"In the past, we've charged the cost of exams to the victims' insurance company when possible," then-chief Charlie Fannon told the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman, the local newspaper. "I just don't want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer."

Now that Palin is the Republican nominee for vice president, Democrats such as former Alaska governor Tony Knowles — who signed the rape-kit bill into law and was defeated by Palin in 2006 — are raising the issue to question Palin's commitment to women's issues and crime victims. Palin appointed Fannon after firing his predecessor shortly after she took office in 1996.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-12-signature.jpg

irishjayhawk
09-12-2008, 03:09 PM
Yeah, I almost posted this but I don't think people will care.

BIG_DADDY
09-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Like Palin had anything to do with that. You guys are ****ing pathetic. What will you blame her for next? I am embarrassed for you posting that.

banyon
09-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Role In Charging Rape Victims For Exams

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html

Despite denials by the Palin campaign, new evidence proves that as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Sarah Palin had a direct hand in imposing fees to pay for post-sexual assault medical exams conducted by the city to gather evidence.

Palin's role is now confirmed by Wasilla City budget documents available online.

Under Sarah Palin's administration, Wasilla cut funds that had previously paid for the medical exams and began charging victims or their health insurers the $500 to $1200 fees. Although Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella wrote USA Today earlier this week that the GOP vice presidential nominee "does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test...To suggest otherwise is a deliberate misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice," Palin, as mayor, fired police chief Irl Stambaugh and replaced him with Charlie Fannon, who with Palin's knowledge, slashed the budget for the exams and began charging the city's victims of sexual assault. The city budget documents demonstrate Palin read and signed off on the new budget. A year later, alarmed Alaska lawmakers passed legislation outlawing the practice.

News of the controversial policy has leaked slowly into the press this week as the presidential campaign has heated up and Palin's record has been subject to increasing scrutiny. The practice of charging rape victims has called into question Palin's stated commitment to women's issues, her judgment as an executive and her honesty about her record.

The story of the Wasilla policy has made its way from comments on Daily Kos to the pages of USA Today. But clear evidence suggesting Palin knew Wasilla was charging the victims of sexual assault has been hard to find. Placing the city budget records, however, alongside a timetable of Palin's firing Chief Stambaugh and hiring Chief Fannon makes it clear the policy was put in place as a direct result of Palin's leadership.

The mayor of Wasilla before Sarah Palin, John C. Stein, was also a Republican, though the office was and continues to be non-partisan. Mayor Stein was defeated by Sarah Palin in a campaign that brought in the NRA, Republican partisans, and a whisper campaign that Mayor Stein was Jewish (he is a Christian, but is "proud of such a reputation"). He now runs the Sitka Sound Science Center, a marine research facility in Sitka, Alaska.

Mayor Stein told OffTheBus that he didn't "think victims were billed while [he] was mayor," but that he wasn't certain. He did mention that "Wasilla participated in establishing a Sexual Assault Response Team to set-up a one-stop forensic exam room for victims," evidence of a pro-victim police department. In order to confirm his assertion about the billing policy, he recommended I contact current police chief Angella Long for confirmation. She did not return my request for comment.

However, I was able to eventually track down Irl Stambaugh, police chief of Wasilla from the founding of the department until Sarah Palin fired him for "not fully supporting her efforts to govern." Stambaugh sued for breach of contract, but lost when a federal judge ruled that "police chiefs serve at the behest of the mayor unless otherwise specified." He later served as the executive director of the Alaska Police Standards Council.

It turns out that Wasilla did not bill sexual assault victims for the cost of rape exams while Irl Stambaugh was chief of police. As chief, he had included a line item in the budget to pay for the cost of such exams. He had only just heard about the Mayor Palin/Chief Fannon policy today, and was just as shocked to hear about it as I was.

Checking the budget confirmed former Chief Stambaugh's claim. He had included a contingency of $15,000 in his budget for the department's 1st year of existence (1993-1994), $5,000 for 1994-1995 and 1995-1996, and $13,000 for his final year as police chief in 1996-1997, spending $11,625.

Duwayne Charles Fannon, his replacement, halved the budget request in 1997-1998, with a request of $7,298, spending $3,454. However, it seems he began the "victim pays" policy in the 1998-1999 fiscal year. That year, he requested $3,000 but spent only $205. This data can be found in the Document Central section of Wasilla's website.

The Document for the 1998-1999 fiscal year begins with a message "To the Citizens of the City of Wasilla:"

The comprehensive annual financial report of the City of Wasilla for the fiscal year ended June 30, 1999, is hereby submitted. The City's Finance Department prepared the report. Responsibility for both the accuracy of the data, and the completeness and fairness of the presentation, including all disclosures, rests with the City. To the best of our knowledge and belief, the enclosed data is accurate in all material respects and is reported in a manner designed to fairly present the financial position and results of operations of the various funds and account groups of the City. All disclosures necessary to enable the reader to gain an understanding of the City's financial activities have been included. ...

At the end of the letter, under the words "Respectfully submitted," is the signature of Sarah Palin. Unless she made a false claim about the data being accurate to the best of her knowledge, she was aware of the change in billing policy orchestrated by Police Chief Fannon. The McCain/Palin campaign did not respond to requests for comment.



To see Palin's signature in Wasilla's 1999 Financial Report, download the full report here. [The 7-page letter written by Sarah Palin and the city's finance director as an introduction to the 1998-1999 Comprehensive Annual Financial Report makes it clear that the City of Wasilla, and hence the mayor, is responsible for oversight over the report. The letter discusses certain minor city actions, such as an extension by the city of the East Wasilla Water Main in order to serve the newly built Wal-Mart. The rest of the letter is a summary of the information contained in the report. However, it is notable that "the City of Wasilla is required to undergo an annual single audit in conformity of the Federal and State Single Audit Acts." Under the most recent amendments to that act at the time, an entity had to expend $300,000 in federal funds to be subject to the Single Audit Act; a look at page 88 of the full financial report shows the federal share of Wasilla city expenditures to have been $1,145,753, nearly $200/resident.]

irishjayhawk
09-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Like Palin had anything to do with that. You guys are ****ing pathetic. What will you blame her for next? I am embarrassed for you posting that.

Point in case.

banyon
09-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Yeah, I almost posted this but I don't think people will care.

The angry women voters might. it's not exactly championing women's issues here.

banyon
09-12-2008, 03:11 PM
Like Palin had anything to do with that. You guys are ****ing pathetic. What will you blame her for next? I am embarrassed for you posting that.

Yeah, in a town of 5000, I'm sure it was just lost in the massive bureaucracy.

banyon
09-12-2008, 03:12 PM
Here's the difference: Righties wouldn't hesitate to post stuff like this and way worse about Hillary (probably moving to attacks on her character), but Saint Palin should be immune from criticism even of her policies while she was in office.

Cannibal
09-12-2008, 03:14 PM
The angry women voters might. it's not exactly championing women's issues here.

It still won't change the minds of the scorned Hillary twaaats like Memememememememe. Palin could be caught ordering her own police force to rape and sodomize all women they pull over and the scorned Hillary bitches still wouldn't care.

Carlota69
09-12-2008, 03:17 PM
It still won't change the minds of the scorned Hillary twaaats like Memememememememe. Palin could be caught ordering her own police force to rape and sodomize all women they pull over and the scorned Hillary bitches still wouldn't care.

Unfortunate, but true. :shake:

BIG_DADDY
09-12-2008, 03:19 PM
It would be nice if just once you guys would post the whole thing instead of a part of a quote or only post a signature.

irishjayhawk
09-12-2008, 03:20 PM
It would be nice if just once you guys would post the whole thing instead of a part of a quote or only post a signature.

You cannot read?

What about the second article?

What about following the link?

BIG_DADDY
09-12-2008, 03:22 PM
It still won't change the minds of the scorned Hillary twaaats like Memememememememe. Palin could be caught ordering her own police force to rape and sodomize all women they pull over and the scorned Hillary bitches still wouldn't care.

Whether the Republicans want to admit it or not there were a lot of conservative women who would have voted for Hillary as well. The Dems are not going to pick up the womens votes they are losing now. The more you guys continue to go after Palin the more female vote your going to lose.

Chief Henry
09-12-2008, 03:23 PM
Like Palin had anything to do with that. You guys are ****ing pathetic. What will you blame her for next? I am embarrassed for you posting that.

Its what they do best. :shake:

irishjayhawk
09-12-2008, 03:24 PM
Whether the Republicans want to admit it or not there were a lot of conservative women who would have voted for Hillary as well. The Dems are not going to pick up the womens votes they are losing now. The more you guys continue to go after Palin the more female vote your going to lose.

Its what they do best. :shake:

I see you guys like talking about the issue at hand.

Cannibal
09-12-2008, 03:27 PM
Whether the Republicans want to admit it or not there were a lot of conservative women who would have voted for Hillary as well. The Dems are not going to pick up the womens votes they are losing now. The more you guys continue to go after Palin the more female vote your going to lose.

It's not about issues with those Hillary voters. It's about the Vag, they have proven time and time again this campaign.

BIG_DADDY
09-12-2008, 03:28 PM
You cannot read?

What about the second article?

What about following the link?

I am not referring the the article but rather exactly what the bill she signed said there Einstein. If you can post a picture of where she signed the bill you could certainly post the whole bill and why wouldn't you? This is a witch hunt.

InChiefsHell
09-12-2008, 03:30 PM
First of all, how may friggin' rapes happen in that town?? Damn...

Second, I'd be pissed if my daughter was raped and I had to pay for the test that would help convict the person who did it...but I'd pay it.

...I just wonder if this was something that hardly ever happened, so they eliminated it from the budget because it takes money from other things. Don't get me wrong, it seems pretty shitty to tell the victim of rape that she now has to pay for that rape kit. I just wonder how often they had that problem in a town of 5000...

End of the day, I'd think the city should pay for that, that's part of protect and serve. This is one I'd like to hear an answer on.

irishjayhawk
09-12-2008, 03:31 PM
I am not referring the the article but rather exactly what the bill she signed said there Einstein. If you can post a picture of where she signed the bill you could certainly post the whole bill and why wouldn't you? This is a witch hunt.

Really, a witch hunt?

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/WasillaAnnualReport.pdf

Interesting I followed the link of the second article and it produced the pdf from http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=136

Shocking!

BIG_DADDY
09-12-2008, 03:32 PM
It's not about issues with those Hillary voters. It's about the Vag, they have proven time and time again this campaign.

Well this was their first big shot and the dems pissed on them for a black man with 3 islamic names after giving blacks the right to vote first. The "vag" as you put it has been the backbone of voting for the Dems for a long time now. I can see why they are pissed off at the party. MOF I can see many of them voting straight GOP.

Anyway I am out for the weekend.

memyselfI
09-12-2008, 03:49 PM
Uh-oh. This issue sucks for both parties candidates.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/on-health-and-money/2008/2/21/rape-victims-can-be-hurt-financially-too.html

Turns out experts on sexual assault are all too familiar with the issue. "It's been a problem for a long time," says Ilse Knecht, deputy director of public policy at the National Center for Victims of Crime. "We've heard so many stories of victims paying for their exams, or not being able to and then creditors coming after them." In order to qualify for federal grants under the Violence Against Women Act, states have to assume the full out-of-pocket costs for forensic medical exams, as the rape kits are called. But according to a 2004 bulletin published by the NCVC, "[F]eedback from the field indicates that sexual assault victims are still being billed."

Knecht says she's recently heard from caseworkers in Illinois, Georgia, and Arkansas reporting that rape victims continue to be charged for their forensic exams.

BigChiefFan
09-12-2008, 03:51 PM
First of all, how may friggin' rapes happen in that town?? Damn...

Second, I'd be pissed if my daughter was raped and I had to pay for the test that would help convict the person who did it...but I'd pay it.

...I just wonder if this was something that hardly ever happened, so they eliminated it from the budget because it takes money from other things. Don't get me wrong, it seems pretty shitty to tell the victim of rape that she now has to pay for that rape kit. I just wonder how often they had that problem in a town of 5000...

End of the day, I'd think the city should pay for that, that's part of protect and serve. This is one I'd like to hear an answer on.

I like seeing a Republican with common sense. Good post.

banyon
09-12-2008, 03:52 PM
It would be nice if just once you guys would post the whole thing instead of a part of a quote or only post a signature.

I am at work, I can't copy and post an attachment here to the original budget doc. I posted the entirety of two articles, though.

banyon
09-12-2008, 03:54 PM
To all the people who are yellilng "UNFAIR ATTACK! LEAVE SARAH ALONE!!!" It's a bad policy. It doesn't make her the devil, but it casts some doubt on her image as a champion of women's issues.

BigChiefFan
09-12-2008, 04:01 PM
Policies are not off limit. It's a REFLECTION of how she has governed, to suggest her policies and idealogies are off limit is absurd.

Mr. Flopnuts
09-12-2008, 04:02 PM
Umm. They charged insurance companies? Those poor victims..........

jettio
09-12-2008, 04:15 PM
To be fair to Hockey Mom, those Wasilla rape victims often dress very provocatively.

RJ
09-12-2008, 04:24 PM
First of all, how may friggin' rapes happen in that town?? Damn...

Second, I'd be pissed if my daughter was raped and I had to pay for the test that would help convict the person who did it...but I'd pay it.

...I just wonder if this was something that hardly ever happened, so they eliminated it from the budget because it takes money from other things. Don't get me wrong, it seems pretty shitty to tell the victim of rape that she now has to pay for that rape kit. I just wonder how often they had that problem in a town of 5000...

End of the day, I'd think the city should pay for that, that's part of protect and serve. This is one I'd like to hear an answer on.



I wonder if they also make crime victims pay for things like DNA testing and dusting for prints.

banyon
09-12-2008, 04:34 PM
Umm. They charged insurance companies? Those poor victims..........

You've heard of deductibles and uninsured people, right?

Maybe everyone was so wealthy in Wasalia that they didn't have to worry about poor rape victims.