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wazu
09-12-2008, 06:33 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Charlie Gibson's Gaffe

By Charles Krauthammer
Saturday, September 13, 2008; Page A17

"At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of 'anticipatory self-defense.' "

-- New York Times, Sept. 12

Informed her? Rubbish.

The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.

There is no single meaning of the Bush Doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration -- and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.

He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, "In what respect, Charlie?"

Sensing his "gotcha" moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, Gibson grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine "is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense."

Wrong.

I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush Doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of the Weekly Standard entitled, "The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism," I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush Doctrine.

Then came 9/11, and that notion was immediately superseded by the advent of the war on terror. In his address to the joint session of Congress nine days after 9/11, President Bush declared: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." This "with us or against us" policy regarding terror -- first deployed against Pakistan when Secretary of State Colin Powell gave President Musharraf that seven-point ultimatum to end support for the Taliban and support our attack on Afghanistan -- became the essence of the Bush Doctrine.

Until Iraq. A year later, when the Iraq war was looming, Bush offered his major justification by enunciating a doctrine of preemptive war. This is the one Charlie Gibson thinks is the Bush doctrine.

It's not. It's the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush's second inaugural address: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."

This declaration of a sweeping, universal American freedom agenda was consciously meant to echo John Kennedy's pledge in his inaugural address that the United States "shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." It draws also from the Truman doctrine of March 1947 and from Wilson's 14 points.

If I were in any public foreign policy debate today, and my adversary were to raise the Bush doctrine, both I and the audience would assume -- unless my interlocutor annotated the reference otherwise -- that he was speaking about the grandly proclaimed (and widely attacked) freedom agenda of the Bush administration.

Not the Gibson doctrine of preemption. Not the "with us or against us" no-neutrality-is-permitted policy of the immediate post-9/11 days. Not the unilateralism that characterized the pre-9/11 first year of the Bush administration.

Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed "doctrines" in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines which come out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few other contradictory or conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.

Such is not the case with the Bush Doctrine.

Yes, Sarah Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know -- while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.

irishjayhawk
09-12-2008, 06:42 PM
His worldview?


Straws, Adam, straws.

HolmeZz
09-12-2008, 06:44 PM
Why are you deflecting to Gibson here? She didn't have the friggin' foggiest idea what the Bush Doctrine was. THAT was the issue.

irishjayhawk
09-12-2008, 06:46 PM
Why are you deflecting to Gibson here? She didn't have the friggin' foggiest idea what the Bush Doctrine was. THAT was the issue.

Apparently, she couldn't have done this:

Charlie, the Bush Doctrine has many meanings. What one are you referring to?


Instead, it's a gaffe on Gibson. ROFL

Straws, Adam, straws.

Direckshun
09-12-2008, 07:16 PM
Why are you deflecting to Gibson here? She didn't have the friggin' foggiest idea what the Bush Doctrine was. THAT was the issue.

Bingo.

Really, there IS no defense of Palin, on anything, on anywhere. At least here on ChiefsPlanet. The only defense that exists for Palin is an attack on someone else.

And that is why these guys are going to lose this election.

Donger
09-12-2008, 07:19 PM
I was under the impression that The Bush Doctrine has at least two meanings. I wasn't aware that it actually had four.

I suppose that, just like with NATO, Palin's correct again.

HolmeZz
09-12-2008, 07:38 PM
I suppose that, just like with NATO, Palin's correct again.

Correct? How can she be correct? She didn't even given an answer, unless you're counting "his world view", which would certainly not be correct.

Mecca
09-12-2008, 07:42 PM
Adam will defend this woman no matter what......I think it's time to get over your crush.

Logical
09-12-2008, 07:45 PM
Adam is like a HS student with a crush on Palin, it is really cute. Does she give you wood Adam?

Captain Obvious
09-12-2008, 07:47 PM
I was under the impression that The Bush Doctrine has at least two meanings. I wasn't aware that it actually had four.

I suppose that, just like with NATO, Palin's correct again.

Sometimes your schtick is really annoying. Other times it makes me laugh. This is one of those other times.

clemensol
09-12-2008, 08:08 PM
I was under the impression that The Bush Doctrine has at least two meanings. I wasn't aware that it actually had four.

I suppose that, just like with NATO, Palin's correct again.

How was Palin correct on Nato?

I mean, if by correct you mean she answered one extremely simple question without completely making a fool of herself by giving as general an answer as possible, then she was correct. But I call that not being totally incompetent.

Ultra Peanut
09-12-2008, 08:13 PM
MOOOOOOOOOOOOM, CHARLIE GIBSON IS PICKING ON ME!

ChiefaRoo
09-12-2008, 08:25 PM
Why are you deflecting to Gibson here? She didn't have the friggin' foggiest idea what the Bush Doctrine was. THAT was the issue.

Yeah, what a dumb bitch, lets vote for Obama.

I'm going to go inflate my tires now.

Jesus.

Donger
09-12-2008, 08:36 PM
How was Palin correct on Nato?

I mean, if by correct you mean she answered one extremely simple question without completely making a fool of herself by giving as general an answer as possible, then she was correct. But I call that not being totally incompetent.

Check out the thread about it, by Dirk Digler. It's all right there.

wazu
09-12-2008, 08:38 PM
I just heard Brownback on Fox News tell Alan Colmes he didn't know what Gibson was talking about, either.

Ultra Peanut
09-12-2008, 08:44 PM
I just heard Brownback on Fox News tell Alan Colmes he didn't know what Gibson was talking about, either.Oh well if Sam Brownback is saying it, then

http://i37.tinypic.com/34zk37t.jpg

ChiefaRoo
09-12-2008, 08:45 PM
Oh well if Sam Brownback is saying it, then

http://i37.tinypic.com/34zk37t.jpg

Hey Peanut we finally agree. I think Brownback is a goof.

wazu
09-12-2008, 08:47 PM
Oh well if Sam Brownback is saying it, then

http://i37.tinypic.com/34zk37t.jpg

Hey, not saying I expect Brownback to sway your opinion. But he's a U.S. Senator and I don't think his experience would have been questioned if he were the V.P. pick. And he admits he didn't know what Gibson was referring to.

I think most of the pundits that are running this clip didn't know until Gibson told them what he thought it was, and so they all adopted it and none of them wanted to admit that the emperor has no clothes. Same for most of the people on this board.

Logical
09-12-2008, 09:13 PM
Hey, not saying I expect Brownback to sway your opinion. But he's a U.S. Senator and I don't think his experience would have been questioned if he were the V.P. pick. And he admits he didn't know what Gibson was referring to.

I think most of the pundits that are running this clip didn't know until Gibson told them what he thought it was, and so they all adopted it and none of them wanted to admit that the emperor has no clothes. Same for most of the people on this board.A one minute google yields the answer.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020715/falk

This woman wants to potentially be our President and should know or at minimum have been briefed by McCain's staff. But you are right those idjits probably don't know either.