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ROYC75
09-12-2008, 11:44 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122116841707025101.html?mod=todays_columnists

Miles to Go

Democrats, hit reset. Accept the fact that the race has changed utterly, that you're up against a ticket that has captured the public imagination. Now you must go out and recapture it.

Out of the shirtsleeves, into the suit. Stop prowling the stage with what looks like Phil Donahue's old mic. No more scattered, listless riffs; back to the podium and the prepared—and focused—speech. Campaign as a duo, Obama-Biden, together again. Obama alone looks like he's part of nothing.

You must aim your fire at the top of the ticket, John McCain, and not at this beautiful girl, Sarah Palin, about whom you can do nothing.

You can never kill her now. Forget it. She can hurt herself, but in terms of Democratic attacks she is bulletproof. You made her that—she wasn't that way when she walked in.

Hope that Mr. McCain stops campaigning with her and spins her off into her own orbit, to small towns and medium-sized cities. It will cut his recent power in half. Some press will follow her, but mostly on gaffe patrol. They will want to keep their main lens on Obama and McCain.

This is going to be the only way to contain her power: Ignore it.
* * *
This race is not over. Everyone I know thinks it is, but I don't buy it. Mr. Obama just suffered a catastrophe, his first. Mr. McCain just enjoyed a triumph, maybe not his last. GOP strategists are experiencing premature triumphalism; they're puffing up like blowfish, emitting great bubbles of self-regard. Democrats, be encouraged by this! They make mistakes when they're winning. They always start to think they're the reason.

Democratic strategists have their heads in their hands, knowing they took a bad hit but not understanding exactly how, or why. Republicans, be inspired by this! They can't come up with the right cure if they can't diagnose the illness.

Here's why it's not over: We are a more or less 50/50 nation experiencing 80% wrong-track numbers, alarming economic challenges and two continuing wars. New voters are about to flood to the polls. There are more than 50 days to go. The media environment is volatile. The Obama campaign has some experience in turning inevitable candidacies into evitable ones. Sen. Obama himself is talented, resourceful and compelling.

More important, obviously, the race shouldn't be over. The nation deserves—and requires—a real debate, a real and spirited presenting of fact and argument. It won't get that if the election is over. The candidates must argue this thing out or it means nothing. And the day after the election, for the winner in this tempestuous nation, it better mean something, or he won't be able to govern.

* * *

After the past 10 days, it is not remarkable that Mr. McCain has caught up with Mr. Obama. It is amazing that Mr. Obama is still roughly even with Mr. McCain.

There is no denying that Mr. Obama is in a bad place, that he must now be considered the underdog, that he's wearing Loser-Glo. The slide started with the Rick Warren interviews in August, just as America was starting to pay attention. Verdict? McCain: normal. Obama: odd.

Then Mrs. Palin, and the catastrophe of the Democratic and media response to her. Books will be written about this, but because it's so recent, and so known, we're almost not absorbing how huge it was, and is. Here was the central liberal mistake: They used the atom bomb just a few days in. They used it so brutally, and yet so ineptly, in a way so oblivious to the true contours of the field, that the radiation blew back over their own lines. They used it without preliminary diplomatic talks, multilateral meetings or Security Council debate. They just went boom. And it boomeranged.

The atom bomb was personal and sexual perfidy, backwoods knuckle-draggin' ma and pa saying, Tell the neighbors the baby's ours. Then the ritual abuse of the 17-year-old girl. Then the rest of it—bad mother, religious weirdo. (On this latter it must be noted that Mrs. Palin never told a church that the Iraq war was God's will; she asked them to pray that it was God's will. It wasn't the sound of Republican hubris, it was the sound of Christian humility: We can't know the mind of God, we can only pray we are in accord with it.)

All of this was unacceptable to normal Americans. They experienced it as the town gossip spreading rumor and slander before the new neighbor even got to put down her bags. It offended the American sense of fairness. And—it still lives!—gallantry.

Most crucially, the snobbery of it, the meanness of it, reminded the entire country, for the first time in a decade, what it is they don't like about the left. Really, America had forgotten. Mr. Obama's friends reminded them. Unforgettably.

And it wasn't just excitable bloggers or 24-hour cable news shows desperate to fill the maw. The chairwoman of the South Carolina Democratic Party said this week that Mrs. Palin's "primary qualification [for vice president] seems to be that she hasn't had an abortion."

The Democrats were up against Xena the Warrior Princess and came across, in response, as pale-lipped Puritans who actually, at the end of the day, don't really like women all that much. Mrs. Palin radiates the sense that she'd never give up her femininity in her quest for power because her femininity is part of her power. (On the Democratic side, she can be compared in this to Nancy Pelosi.)

A certain normal-versus-sissy template was captured in a deadly email that is making the rounds. It offers two pictures. One is of a young Mrs. Palin in a short skirt, smiling at the camera as she leans against a big ol' motorcycle. The other is of a thin and careful Obama on a bicycle, in a plastic safety helmet, looking like a tony suburban professional trying to lower his carbon footprint. The headline on the email: "This settles it."

* * *

All of this is being exploited—so far relatively deftly, soon to be heavy-handedly—by the Republican Party, which is sending out emails saying that if you'll click on this little link you'll be able to contribute money to help stop the smears and lies aimed at Mrs. Palin.

Right now only Mrs. Palin can hurt Mrs. Palin. Messrs. Obama and Biden can't do it and shouldn't try. And the media can't, because more than half the country won't listen to them on this subject now, and for a while. The media could get videotape of Mrs. Palin saying, "We should invade Mars and it will be easy because Mars is hidden inside my hair!" and people would say, "Stop sliming Sarah!"

The mainstream media may themselves come down on Mr. Obama. They like him, but if he doesn't come back and make this a race, he'll embarrass them. They just might be on the edge of getting angry, having been left exposed. Forget what Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin can do to Mr. Obama: If he embarrasses the media, they'll kill him.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 06:23 AM
The mainstream media may themselves come down on Mr. Obama. They like him, but if he doesn't come back and make this a race, he'll embarrass them. They just might be on the edge of getting angry, having been left exposed. Forget what Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin can do to Mr. Obama: If he embarrasses the media, they'll kill him.<!-- / message -->

This is a terrific editorial filled with keen observations and written with commendable wit and subtlety. I am very skeptical that the MSM would 'go after' Obama for embarrassing them - but it would sure be like them to throw their messiah under the bus to save themselves.

HonestChieffan
09-13-2008, 06:39 AM
Obama will need to find the bus first. His move to more attack and more personal attcks is absurd. The good news for the country is that people are rapidly seeing he has no place in the White House.

Friendo
09-13-2008, 06:48 AM
This is a terrific editorial filled with keen observations and written with commendable wit and subtlety. I am very skeptical that the MSM would 'go after' Obama for embarrassing them - but it would sure be like them to throw their messiah under the bus to save themselves.

some good points in the article, but I've got to ask: the one consistent theme the Right likes to trot out is this "Messiah/Snob" angle.

I ask, just wtf was this all about? http://www.georgewbushstore.com/200-6000.htm

if that's not representative of a self-appointed Oligarchy, and their fawning minions, I don't know wtf is. One of you BO bashers please answer this.




chirp, ribit--yeah, thought so

jettio
09-13-2008, 07:15 AM
So Peggy Noonan is trying to make up to the right for the open mic incident.

Good timing, the day after Palin's full interview with Charlie Gibson where Palin proved valid the unscripted complaints that Murphy and Noonan had about her being a bullsh*t pick.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 07:22 AM
So Peggy Noonan is trying to make up to the right for the open mic incident.

Good timing, the day after Palin's full interview with Charlie Gibson where Palin proved valid the unscripted complaints that Murphy and Noonan had about her being a bullsh*t pick.

Which is why the dems are in a full court press against her? They smell a '72 McGovern like landslide in the offing if someone doesn't quickly stop the hemorraging. Right now of the 4 candidates, she's the most popular.

HonestChieffan
09-13-2008, 07:35 AM
That bullsh*t pick is winning the hearts and minds of the electorate and all the Obama Campaign can do is continue these silly personal attacks?

Ultra Peanut
09-13-2008, 08:02 AM
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Programmer
09-13-2008, 08:07 AM
That bullsh*t pick is winning the hearts and minds of the electorate and all the Obama Campaign can do is continue these silly personal attacks?


Hate to let you in on a secret. That's all the substance he has so he is going with his strong suit.

jettio
09-13-2008, 08:15 AM
Peggy Noonan is trying to get back in the good graces of the right.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=190527&highlight=noonan


As far as the Palin-McCain ticket. The election is November 4, 2008.

All of the folks trying to declare victory for Palin-McCain now, will be the same ones declaring in late October and November that a GOP victory was "Mission Impossible" and doomed from the start, and find some way to claim that the fact that the race was close indicates some problem for Obama.

Obama and his team have run an exceptional campaign and will continue to do so.

Palin is the star of the GOP ticket and the primary question surrounding her, after this initial honeymoon period will be will she do a good enough job to run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012 or 2016, or, will she end up making mistakes that cause her to fade into Geraldine Ferraro like oblivion.

I think she will end up in between, she will get a taste and decide to become a GOP presidential contender, but she will make enough goof-ups to ensure that the GOP never gives her the presidential nomination in the future. She will split the Huckabee vote and never be considered credible by the Peggy Noonan wing of the party.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 08:18 AM
Peggy Noonan is trying to get back in the good graces of the right.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=190527&highlight=noonan


As far as the Palin-McCain ticket. The election is November 4, 2008.

All of the folks trying to declare victory for Palin-McCain now, will be the same ones declaring in late October and November that a GOP victory was "Mission Impossible" and doomed from the start, and find some way to claim that the fact that the race was close indicates some problem for Obama.

Obama and his team have run an exceptional campaign and will continue to do so.

Palin is the star of the GOP ticket and the primary question surrounding her, after this initial honeymoon period will be will she do a good enough job to run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012 or 2016, or, will she end up making mistakes that cause her to fade into Geraldine Ferraro like oblivion.

I think she will end up in between, she will get a taste and decide to become a GOP presidential contender, but she will make enough goof-ups to ensure that the GOP never gives her the presidential nomination in the future. She will split the Huckabee vote and never be considered credible by the Peggy Noonan wing of the party.

In other words, she'll be the next VP of these United States.

jettio
09-13-2008, 08:19 AM
In other words, she'll be the next VP of these United States.


Is that what you want or is that what you fear?

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 08:24 AM
Is that what you want or is that what you fear?

This is what I want. Obama is problematic on many levels - experience, anti-American ideology (Jeremiah Wright's liberation theology), a shocking position on abortion, and some spurrious ideas about the relationship between taxation and economic development. Palin has been a Chief exec for many years, has impeccable values, and in the future will make a strong commander-in-chief.

jettio
09-13-2008, 08:29 AM
This is what I want. Obama is problematic on many levels - experience, anti-American ideology (Jeremiah Wright's liberation theology), a shocking position on abortion, and some spurrious ideas about the relationship between taxation and economic development. Palin has been a Chief exec for many years, has impeccable values, and in the future will make a strong commander-in-chief.

Looks like you guys are headed to victory, congratulations.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 08:38 AM
Looks like you guys are headed to victory, congratulations.

Way too early for that. Bottom line: McCain/Palin have a record of change, while Obama/Biden are running on the promise of change based on faith alone - "Believe in Us" - "Change you can believe in" - "Audicity of Hope"... etc... we are asked to put faith in Obama's beliefs which are unfortunately traced to Jeremiah Wright.

VAChief
09-13-2008, 08:45 AM
This is what I want. Obama is problematic on many levels - experience, anti-American ideology (Jeremiah Wright's liberation theology), a shocking position on abortion, and some spurrious ideas about the relationship between taxation and economic development. Palin has been a Chief exec for many years, has impeccable values, and in the future will make a strong commander-in-chief.

Johnny, come on not anti-American ideology? Pastorgate again? How about I'm an Alaskan NOT an American! Should we say Palin supports anti-American ideology because her AID friends' (including her husband) leader spouted these words at one of their secessionist meetings?

Disagree with the policies, fine. Blanket anti-American claims because they don't fit your views and opinions seems to me to be anything but AMERICAN.

Ultra Peanut
09-13-2008, 08:49 AM
Peggy Noonan is trying to get back in the good graces of the right.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=190527&highlight=noonan


As far as the Palin-McCain ticket. The election is November 4, 2008.

All of the folks trying to declare victory for Palin-McCain now, will be the same ones declaring in late October and November that a GOP victory was "Mission Impossible" and doomed from the start, and find some way to claim that the fact that the race was close indicates some problem for Obama.

Obama and his team have run an exceptional campaign and will continue to do so.

Palin is the star of the GOP ticket and the primary question surrounding her, after this initial honeymoon period will be will she do a good enough job to run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012 or 2016, or, will she end up making mistakes that cause her to fade into Geraldine Ferraro like oblivion.

I think she will end up in between, she will get a taste and decide to become a GOP presidential contender, but she will make enough goof-ups to ensure that the GOP never gives her the presidential nomination in the future. She will split the Huckabee vote and never be considered credible by the Peggy Noonan wing of the party.
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jettio
09-13-2008, 08:52 AM
Way too early for that. Bottom line: McCain/Palin have a record of change, while Obama/Biden are running on the promise of change based on faith alone - "Believe in Us" - "Change you can believe in" - "Audicity of Hope"... etc... we are asked to put faith in Obama's beliefs which are unfortunately traced to Jeremiah Wright.

Obama is a genuine Christian and he did not sh*tcan his first wife.

McCain decided that he likes richer younger blonder and newer puzzy and he 86'ed the woman who was loyal to him.

You want to come at Obama by trying to prove how un-Christian like you are.

McCain is the fella who cheats his wedding vows and chased puzzy throughout both of his marriages.

How dare you try to badmouth Obama's faith. At least Obama lives a Christian life.

Since Palin, whose impeccable values include lying about her record when introducing herself, is dragging McCain the adulterer across the finish line, why don't you say a prayer of Thanksgiving?

Thank God for blinding everyone to the sins of the white candidates and blinding everyone to the virtues of the black one.

I will pray that God rewards Obama for following the path that God provides to us.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 08:53 AM
Johnny, come on not anti-American ideology? Pastorgate again? How about I'm an Alaskan NOT an American! Should we say Palin supports anti-American ideology because her AID friends' (including her husband) leader spouted these words at one of their secessionist meetings?

Disagree with the policies, fine. Blanket anti-American claims because they don't fit your views and opinions seems to me to be anything but AMERICAN.

As a theologically educated/trained Soldier, I have to scrutinize Obama's subscription to JW's theology. It is a pernicious heresy in the Church (liberation theology) and deserves scrutiny. Would to God we had scrubbed Jimmy Carter's theology before electing him...

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 08:55 AM
Obama is a genuine Christian and he did not sh*tcan his first wife.



Do you know his views on abortion?

Thanks for playing, but Obama's position is diametrically opposed to all the Churches that believe in the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures. If you consider Liberation Theology as Christianity, you are gambling your soul on syncretism and heresy.

McCain has taken full moral responsibility for his previous moral failures.

***SPRAYER
09-13-2008, 09:03 AM
Obama will need to find the bus first. His move to more attack and more personal attcks is absurd. The good news for the country is that people are rapidly seeing he has no place in the White House.

The GOP is playing Obama like a fiddle.

jettio
09-13-2008, 09:08 AM
Do you know his views on abortion?

Thanks for playing, but Obama's position is diametrically opposed to all the Churches that believe in the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures. If you consider Liberation Theology as Christianity, you are gambling your soul on syncretism and heresy.

McCain has taken full moral responsibility for his previous moral failures.

Well, you predict that McCain and Palin are headed to a McGovern like landslide victory.

I predict that you are wrong in your prediction.

I also predict that McCain won't take full moral responsibility for his previous moral failures until he gets the message sometime after November 4, 2008, that God is not to be mocked.

What about McCain's current moral failures, lying, vanity and hypocrisy. People can see what is going on.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 09:10 AM
Well, you predict that McCain and Palin are headed to a McGovern like landslide victory.

I predict that you are wrong in your prediction.

I also predict that McCain won't take full moral responsibility for his previous moral failures until he gets the message sometime after November 4, 2008, that God is not to be mocked.

What about McCain's current moral failures, lying, vanity and hypocrisy. People can see what is going on.

You are ignoring the obvious: blackgenocide.org (http://www.blackgenocide.org)

Ultra Peanut
09-13-2008, 09:11 AM
The GOP is playing Obama like a fiddle.By providing ample rope with which the Obama campaign can hang them and blowing as much media goodwill as possible?

Interesting strategy.

jettio
09-13-2008, 09:14 AM
You are ignoring the obvious: blackgenocide.org (http://www.blackgenocide.org)

No thanks, I am not going to waste my time.

You are a wingtard who puts political party before honest religion and you try to bring down a good man like Obama by lying about him.

You and McCain will both learn a few more lessons before your journey is done.

Good luck to you, but I am going to put a fake holy man like you on my ignore list.

HolmeZz
09-13-2008, 12:39 PM
Palin is problematic on many levels - experience, anti-American ideology, a shocking position on abortion, and some spurrious ideas about the relationship between taxation and economic development.

I couldn't agree more. She's lacks the experience needed, her husband belonged to a political party that hated America and wanted to secede, she has a shocking position of abortion where she wants to force women to reproduce if they get raped, and she doesn't seem to grasp the economy.

Good job, Johnny!

HolmeZz
09-13-2008, 12:41 PM
Do you know his views on abortion?

Do you know Palin's?

Why are you ok with the government forcing a woman to have to reproduce if she gets raped and impregnated? Why would you grant government that power?

Sully
09-13-2008, 12:46 PM
Do you know his views on abortion?

Do you?

ChiefaRoo
09-13-2008, 12:52 PM
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/memphischad/bike.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/memphischad/palinbike.jpg

Programmer
09-13-2008, 01:01 PM
Do you know Palin's?

Why are you ok with the government forcing a woman to have to reproduce if she gets raped and impregnated? Why would you grant government that power?


There are cases that abortion may seem to be warranted. I won't dispute that, but I would never recommend that any person have an abortion.

My main stand on abortion is that it should not be used as a get out of jail free card when you are promiscuous.

If you are going to get out and screw the world you should be aware of the methods of birthcontrol. Abortion IMO is not a form of birthcontrol, it's a form of murder.

kcvet
09-13-2008, 01:17 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122116841707025101.html?mod=todays_columnists

Miles to Go

Democrats, hit reset. Accept the fact that the race has changed utterly, that you're up against a ticket that has captured the public imagination. Now you must go out and recapture it.

Out of the shirtsleeves, into the suit. Stop prowling the stage with what looks like Phil Donahue's old mic. No more scattered, listless riffs; back to the podium and the prepared—and focused—speech. Campaign as a duo, Obama-Biden, together again. Obama alone looks like he's part of nothing.

You must aim your fire at the top of the ticket, John McCain, and not at this beautiful girl, Sarah Palin, about whom you can do nothing.

You can never kill her now. Forget it. She can hurt herself, but in terms of Democratic attacks she is bulletproof. You made her that—she wasn't that way when she walked in.

Hope that Mr. McCain stops campaigning with her and spins her off into her own orbit, to small towns and medium-sized cities. It will cut his recent power in half. Some press will follow her, but mostly on gaffe patrol. They will want to keep their main lens on Obama and McCain.

This is going to be the only way to contain her power: Ignore it.
* * *
This race is not over. Everyone I know thinks it is, but I don't buy it. Mr. Obama just suffered a catastrophe, his first. Mr. McCain just enjoyed a triumph, maybe not his last. GOP strategists are experiencing premature triumphalism; they're puffing up like blowfish, emitting great bubbles of self-regard. Democrats, be encouraged by this! They make mistakes when they're winning. They always start to think they're the reason.

Democratic strategists have their heads in their hands, knowing they took a bad hit but not understanding exactly how, or why. Republicans, be inspired by this! They can't come up with the right cure if they can't diagnose the illness.

Here's why it's not over: We are a more or less 50/50 nation experiencing 80% wrong-track numbers, alarming economic challenges and two continuing wars. New voters are about to flood to the polls. There are more than 50 days to go. The media environment is volatile. The Obama campaign has some experience in turning inevitable candidacies into evitable ones. Sen. Obama himself is talented, resourceful and compelling.

More important, obviously, the race shouldn't be over. The nation deserves—and requires—a real debate, a real and spirited presenting of fact and argument. It won't get that if the election is over. The candidates must argue this thing out or it means nothing. And the day after the election, for the winner in this tempestuous nation, it better mean something, or he won't be able to govern.

* * *

After the past 10 days, it is not remarkable that Mr. McCain has caught up with Mr. Obama. It is amazing that Mr. Obama is still roughly even with Mr. McCain.

There is no denying that Mr. Obama is in a bad place, that he must now be considered the underdog, that he's wearing Loser-Glo. The slide started with the Rick Warren interviews in August, just as America was starting to pay attention. Verdict? McCain: normal. Obama: odd.

Then Mrs. Palin, and the catastrophe of the Democratic and media response to her. Books will be written about this, but because it's so recent, and so known, we're almost not absorbing how huge it was, and is. Here was the central liberal mistake: They used the atom bomb just a few days in. They used it so brutally, and yet so ineptly, in a way so oblivious to the true contours of the field, that the radiation blew back over their own lines. They used it without preliminary diplomatic talks, multilateral meetings or Security Council debate. They just went boom. And it boomeranged.

The atom bomb was personal and sexual perfidy, backwoods knuckle-draggin' ma and pa saying, Tell the neighbors the baby's ours. Then the ritual abuse of the 17-year-old girl. Then the rest of it—bad mother, religious weirdo. (On this latter it must be noted that Mrs. Palin never told a church that the Iraq war was God's will; she asked them to pray that it was God's will. It wasn't the sound of Republican hubris, it was the sound of Christian humility: We can't know the mind of God, we can only pray we are in accord with it.)

All of this was unacceptable to normal Americans. They experienced it as the town gossip spreading rumor and slander before the new neighbor even got to put down her bags. It offended the American sense of fairness. And—it still lives!—gallantry.

Most crucially, the snobbery of it, the meanness of it, reminded the entire country, for the first time in a decade, what it is they don't like about the left. Really, America had forgotten. Mr. Obama's friends reminded them. Unforgettably.

And it wasn't just excitable bloggers or 24-hour cable news shows desperate to fill the maw. The chairwoman of the South Carolina Democratic Party said this week that Mrs. Palin's "primary qualification [for vice president] seems to be that she hasn't had an abortion."

The Democrats were up against Xena the Warrior Princess and came across, in response, as pale-lipped Puritans who actually, at the end of the day, don't really like women all that much. Mrs. Palin radiates the sense that she'd never give up her femininity in her quest for power because her femininity is part of her power. (On the Democratic side, she can be compared in this to Nancy Pelosi.)

A certain normal-versus-sissy template was captured in a deadly email that is making the rounds. It offers two pictures. One is of a young Mrs. Palin in a short skirt, smiling at the camera as she leans against a big ol' motorcycle. The other is of a thin and careful Obama on a bicycle, in a plastic safety helmet, looking like a tony suburban professional trying to lower his carbon footprint. The headline on the email: "This settles it."

* * *

All of this is being exploited—so far relatively deftly, soon to be heavy-handedly—by the Republican Party, which is sending out emails saying that if you'll click on this little link you'll be able to contribute money to help stop the smears and lies aimed at Mrs. Palin.

Right now only Mrs. Palin can hurt Mrs. Palin. Messrs. Obama and Biden can't do it and shouldn't try. And the media can't, because more than half the country won't listen to them on this subject now, and for a while. The media could get videotape of Mrs. Palin saying, "We should invade Mars and it will be easy because Mars is hidden inside my hair!" and people would say, "Stop sliming Sarah!"

The mainstream media may themselves come down on Mr. Obama. They like him, but if he doesn't come back and make this a race, he'll embarrass them. They just might be on the edge of getting angry, having been left exposed. Forget what Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin can do to Mr. Obama: If he embarrasses the media, they'll kill him.

that's some surrender speech. im sexually aroused !!!!!

Ultra Peanut
09-13-2008, 02:42 PM
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/memphischad/bike.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/memphischad/palinbike.jpguggggh a guy riding a bike with his children

what a dork

splatbass
09-13-2008, 02:56 PM
Obama will need to find the bus first. His move to more attack and more personal attcks is absurd. The good news for the country is that people are rapidly seeing he has no place in the White House.

You think his move to more attack and more personal "attcks" is absurd, but you support McCain, whose whole campaign has been based on personal attacks and outright LIES against Obama? Are you always this hypocritical?

splatbass
09-13-2008, 02:59 PM
This is what I want. Obama is problematic on many levels - experience, anti-American ideology (Jeremiah Wright's liberation theology), a shocking position on abortion, and some spurrious ideas about the relationship between taxation and economic development. Palin has been a Chief exec for many years, has impeccable values, and in the future will make a strong commander-in-chief.

I find your calling Obama "anti-American" to be anti-American itself. And I find your attacks on another minister to be offensive and unChristian. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Are you without sin, pastor?

Saggysack
09-13-2008, 03:12 PM
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/memphischad/bike.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/memphischad/palinbike.jpg

You can put lipstick on a hog, I still like the Trek more.

Logical
09-13-2008, 03:14 PM
There are cases that abortion may seem to be warranted. I won't dispute that, but I would never recommend that any person have an abortion.

My main stand on abortion is that it should not be used as a get out of jail free card when you are promiscuous.

If you are going to get out and screw the world you should be aware of the methods of birthcontrol. Abortion IMO is not a form of birthcontrol, it's a form of murder.This is some really ignorant shit, you respond to a post about women being forced to have a child after being raped with this shit.

irishjayhawk
09-13-2008, 03:15 PM
This marks the thread where KCJohnny showed us the dumbass he is.

irishjayhawk
09-13-2008, 03:16 PM
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/memphischad/bike.jpg
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/memphischad/palinbike.jpg

So Barack is more environmentally conscious?

Saggysack
09-13-2008, 03:18 PM
This marks the thread where KCJohnny showed us the dumbass he is.

Most of us have known for years that he is a dumbass. He's a good little Chaplain's Asst.

keg in kc
09-13-2008, 03:20 PM
This marks the thread where KCJohnny showed us the dumbass he is.No, it's really not. There's hundreds and hundreds of others.

irishjayhawk
09-13-2008, 03:21 PM
Most of us have known for years that he is a dumbass. He's a good little Chaplain's Asst.

Ahem.

Trained Soldier of God.

irishjayhawk
09-13-2008, 03:21 PM
I couldn't agree more. She's lacks the experience needed, her husband belonged to a political party that hated America and wanted to secede, she has a shocking position of abortion where she wants to force women to reproduce if they get raped, and she doesn't seem to grasp the economy.

Good job, Johnny!

:clap:

Logical
09-13-2008, 03:54 PM
This marks the thread where KCJohnny showed us the dumbass he is.Oh no trust me this was not the first or even the weirdest. Try these two from the HOC.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=18839

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108038

Ultra Peanut
09-13-2008, 04:38 PM
Oh no trust me this was not the first or even the weirdest. Try these two from the HOC.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=18839

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=108038Where do you think McCain got the PO DUB strategy?

Calcountry
09-13-2008, 04:43 PM
So Peggy Noonan is trying to make up to the right for the open mic incident.

Good timing, the day after Palin's full interview with Charlie Gibson where Palin proved valid the unscripted complaints that Murphy and Noonan had about her being a bullsh*t pick.Haven't seen you in here much lately?

If she is so bullsh*t, then how come H*ssein is behind in the polls?

Scoreboard dude.

Ultra Peanut
09-13-2008, 04:44 PM
Haven't seen you in here much lately?

If she is so bullsh*t, then how come H*ssein is behind in the polls?

Scoreboard dude.Scoreboard?

You're calling scoreboard before the game has even started?