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Tribal Warfare
09-13-2008, 05:15 AM
Chiefs' notes: Edwards wants Charles to carry bigger load (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/newthread.php?do=postthread&f=1)


Edwards wants rookie Charles to get more involved

Chiefs rookie running back Jamaal Charles might take on a heavier load, coach Herm Edwards said Friday. With Charles’ speed and the way he played in last week’s loss at New England, Edwards said Charles has to be a factor.

“He needs to touch the ball more,” Edwards said.

Charles, one of the Chiefs’ third-round picks this year, started last week alongside Larry Johnson. Charles averaged 5.6 yards on his five carries and also caught two passes.

Edwards said the Chiefs have to reduce the number of times they go three-and-out, which prevents the team from getting the ball into the hands of playmakers such as Charles. Of the Chiefs’ 11 possessions last week, they went three-and-out four times.

“You’d like to keep it within two, three at the most,” Edwards said. “Then if you get 11 possessions you’ve got to play to get six, seven, eight, 10-play drives and all those guys come and play for you. If you go three-and-out it’s very difficult to get those guys the ball.”

A little older, a little wiser

The Chiefs’ 13 rookies gained at least some experience last week, and Edwards said he wants them to make further gains Sunday against Oakland.

Kansas City started six rookies against New England — the most in a Chiefs opener in the 38 years since the NFL-AFL merger.

“They’ve got a little confidence. They’ve played a game,” Edwards said. “The bottom line is, they’ve got to make the plays.

“Every week you’re going to find out more about these guys. We’ve only played one game, and it’s going to be a learning process all the way through. They’re going to have some ups and down.”

The Chiefs are expected to start at least four rookies Sunday — more if they begin in a nickel defense or a two-back offense as they did against the Patriots.

More talk about penalties

Edwards wants those young Chiefs to avoid being lured into playing what appears to be Oakland’s other game: being whistled for penalties.

The Raiders were penalized 10 times in a blowout loss Monday against Denver. Edwards said Tuesday that he hopes the Chiefs play aggressively, but intelligently.

Edwards said he was happy that the Chiefs were flagged just twice for 15 yards. He said earlier this week that he teaches players that if a team is flagged four times or fewer per game, that team will lead the league in the fewest penalties.

“If you do that, then the football game is never going to get away from you,” Edwards said. “Now we just have to figure out how to win them. If you continue to play like that, you’re going to win your share of football games.”

Injury report

Quarterback Brodie Croyle (shoulder) and linebacker Napoleon Harris (knee) are out for Sunday’s game. Edwards said all other regular players are healthy and will be expected to play.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 05:59 AM
The problem with Charles is picking up blitzers. We love the guy when he has the ball, but the other 90% of the game matters, too. If Huard gets knocked out because Charles fails to pick up another blitz, we'll see LJ in there on all downs or at least Kolby. Charles owes Brodie big time.

DRU
09-13-2008, 06:11 AM
Since when has LJ shown he can block..??

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 06:18 AM
Since when has LJ shown he can block..??

Compared to Charles, LJ looks like Tony Richardson.

DRU
09-13-2008, 06:46 AM
Compared to Charles, LJ looks like Tony Richardson.

Wow, I wouldn't go that far. Also, LJ has just a little more experience in this league than Charles. Give the guy a little time and if he's still making mistakes or getting run over in his 3rd or 4th season then you might have a point.

Besides, if Croyle wasn't a tooth-pick he'd be fine and nobody would be talking about that missed block.

Bwana
09-13-2008, 07:01 AM
Good, we need our best RB with the rock in his hands.

CupidStunt
09-13-2008, 07:26 AM
Compared to Charles, LJ looks like Tony Richardson.

:spock:

You have no idea what you're talking about. Charles CAN block, and he WILL block, which is more than anyone can say about LJ. He just happened to pick up the wrong guy in his FIRST EVER NFL GAME.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 07:43 AM
:spock:

You have no idea what you're talking about. Charles CAN block, and he WILL block, which is more than anyone can say about LJ. He just happened to pick up the wrong guy in his FIRST EVER NFL GAME.

I didn't say Charles can't block. I said that LJ is better. I agree, JC should improve.

Charles admits that his "pick[ing] up the wrong guy in his FIRST EVER NFL GAME..." Got Croyle knocked out for several games. That's not good.

Buehler445
09-13-2008, 08:53 AM
I like this, depending on how they get him the ball. If they run him up the middle all the time, I will stab somebody. Charles is small and fast. You can't cram him up the middle all the damn time. They need to do what they can to get him the ball in space, ala Reggie Bush. He's fast as shit, juked Urlacher out of his shorts. He's not going to take on linebackers with his pure strength.

I think he correlates to Bush, minus the ungodly hype. They better look at New Orlean's gameplan for Bush. When NO tried to make him a horse, he got broken. I think we are looking at the same type of player with Charles.

They better not "pound the rock" with Charles. HERM - LISTEN TO CHAN :cuss:

triple
09-13-2008, 08:55 AM
The problem with Charles is picking up blitzers. We love the guy when he has the ball, but the other 90% of the game matters, too. If Huard gets knocked out because Charles fails to pick up another blitz, we'll see LJ in there on all downs or at least Kolby. Charles owes Brodie big time.

Since when can Larry Johnson block!?!

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 08:56 AM
Since when can Larry Johnson block!?!

PPL: Johnson can't block.
Huard goes into fetal position.
WWII was started by Carl Peterson.

LJ can block. Quote me.

CupidStunt
09-13-2008, 10:13 AM
Even IF he can, the point really is that he DOESN'T.

milkman
09-13-2008, 10:19 AM
PPL: Johnson can't block.
Huard goes into fetal position.
WWII was started by Carl Peterson.

LJ can block. Quote me.

PPL:KCJohnny is a big mouth dumbass.

Fish
09-13-2008, 10:21 AM
PPL: Johnson can't block.
Huard goes into fetal position.
WWII was started by Carl Peterson.

LJ can block. Quote me.

LJ can block. LJ doesn't want to block. LJ only wants to run with ball. Quote me.

OnTheWarpath58
09-13-2008, 10:21 AM
PPL:KCJohnny is a big mouth dumbass.

LJ can block. LJ doesn't want to block. LJ only wants to run with ball. Quote me.

QFT.

rad
09-13-2008, 10:39 AM
I didn't say Charles can't block. I said that LJ is better. I agree, JC should improve.

Wrong.

Charles admits that his "pick[ing] up the wrong guy in his FIRST EVER NFL GAME..." Got Croyle knocked out for several games. That's not good.

Oh, I don't know about that. It all depends on how you look at it. Optimistically, it's good to know for sure early in the season that Croyle can't hack it in the NFL. If the Chiefs are smart, they will realize this and commit to moving on.

The Bad Guy
09-13-2008, 11:19 AM
The problem with Charles is picking up blitzers. We love the guy when he has the ball, but the other 90% of the game matters, too. If Huard gets knocked out because Charles fails to pick up another blitz, we'll see LJ in there on all downs or at least Kolby. Charles owes Brodie big time.

Charles doesn't owe Brodie shit.

He missed an assignment. How many assignments did McIntosh miss?

OnTheWarpath58
09-13-2008, 11:20 AM
Charles doesn't owe Brodie shit.

He missed an assignment. How many assignments did McIntosh miss?

All of them.

The Bad Guy
09-13-2008, 11:23 AM
All of them.

It's sad to say, but the best thing for this team is to have him suck balls another week and have Peaches and Herb start against Atlanta.

It's like McIntosh wears cement shoes.

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 11:24 AM
PPL:KCJohnny is a big mouth dumbass.

Wow. What can I reply to such superior football knowledge?

Here (http://clickme.50webs.org/) is proof that Milkman owns me.

OnTheWarpath58
09-13-2008, 11:25 AM
It's sad to say, but the best thing for this team is to have him suck balls another week and have Peaches and Herb start against Atlanta.

It's like McIntosh wears cement shoes.

And that's being kind...

How many times was Vrabel already in the backfield before McIntosh was even out of his stance?

And people wonder why we didn't use the bootleg on Sunday. He would have been rolling directly into Vrabel.

milkman
09-13-2008, 11:37 AM
Wow. What can I reply to such superior football knowledge?

Here (http://clickme.50webs.org/) is proof that Milkman owns me.

That particular post has nothing to do with football.

It's about that PPL thing.

You come on here posting some of the stupiest opinions imaginable, and you think because none of us agree with your dumb ass that there must be some group think going on.

It never even occurs to you that you are a dumbass spouting dumbass opinions has anything to do with it.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2008, 11:38 AM
Besides, if Croyle wasn't a tooth-pick he'd be fine and nobody would be talking about that missed block.

BIG BEN ROETHLISBERGER took a much lesser hit than brodie and he's also injured, maybe not out but cant make all his throws. YES brodie is injury prone but how many QBS are injured by a hit like that every year?

KCJohnny
09-13-2008, 11:43 AM
That particular post has nothing to do with football.

It's about that PPL thing.

You come on here posting some of the stupiest opinions imaginable, and you think because none of us agree with your dumb ass that there must be some group think going on.

It never even occurs to you that you are a dumbass spouting dumbass opinions has anything to do with it.

That's deep. Let me ponder it. I bow to superior intellect. Milkman obviously has complex and nuanced analysis to offer.

rad
09-13-2008, 11:44 AM
BIG BEN ROETHLISBERGER took a much lesser hit than brodie and he's also injured, maybe not out but cant make all his throws. YES brodie is injury prone but how many QBS are injured by a hit like that every year?

None.

OctoberFart
09-13-2008, 11:46 AM
Sperm realizes that Diaper Boy will never be as good as his contract year when he ran him into the ground. I wonder what Diaper Boy's excuse will be now since he can't use the relating to a black coach excuse.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2008, 11:46 AM
None.

BULLSHIT did you see the hit that injured big ben? he's a lot bigger guy, took alot lesser hit and still got injured. brodie had a lb RIDE HIM DOWN SHOULDER FIRST, come the hell on

alanm
09-13-2008, 11:59 AM
Wow, I wouldn't go that far. Also, LJ has just a little more experience in this league than Charles. Give the guy a little time and if he's still making mistakes or getting run over in his 3rd or 4th season then you might have a point.

Besides, if Croyle wasn't a tooth-pick he'd be fine and nobody would be talking about that missed block.
Actually he did pick up a blitzer on the play that got Croyle knocked out. It just wasn't the immediate threat. Either one of those guys would of got the sack.

JASONSAUTO
09-13-2008, 12:01 PM
but the smaller guy( harrison), might not have separated brodie's shoulder but charles ran RIGHT BY thomas

boogblaster
09-13-2008, 12:03 PM
Croyle is brittle ... Charles needs the ball at least 10 to 15 times per game ... Mc is a statue ...

FringeNC
09-13-2008, 12:16 PM
Charles should get the carries. If we are gonna play the stiff Huard, why not let Charles work on his pass protection skills. Who cares if he misses a block, really. And at least he may actually develop some pass protection skills, unlike LJ, the most overrated back in the league.

rad
09-13-2008, 12:38 PM
BULLSHIT did you see the hit that injured big ben? he's a lot bigger guy, took alot lesser hit and still got injured. brodie had a lb RIDE HIM DOWN SHOULDER FIRST, come the hell on

"Hurt" and "injured" are two different things.

DJJasonp
09-13-2008, 01:34 PM
Larry Johnson is the 2nd "Elvis Grbac" the chiefs have had on their roster.

What I mean by that is how Elvis signed for big bucks (Baltimore??) and then basically, quit....

I said this a year or so ago....you will NEVER see LJ run like he did 2 years ago (when he was going for the big, extended contract) again....

KC Tattoo
09-13-2008, 02:51 PM
I hope this makes LJ angry, make LJ angry please! Angry LJ = bad ass/ Not angry LJ = wussy.

Reerun_KC
09-13-2008, 02:54 PM
I hope this makes LJ angry, make LJ angry please! Angry LJ = bad ass/ Not angry LJ = wussy.


Paid LJ = non blocking wussy....

NON Paid LJ = very good back...

Herm managed LJ = broken down back..

DaneMcCloud
09-13-2008, 03:07 PM
WWII was started by Carl Peterson.

I knew it!