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El Jefe
09-13-2008, 10:50 PM
I didn't think I would be able to get on tonight, but anyway. I don't know if I bet anyone else, if I did tell me and I will remember. Dak, you have ownership of my Avatar, did we set how long? Frazod I owe you 500 casino cash, but you will have to let me know how to give it to you, because I don't know how. Mojo, I owe you the rest of whatever I have left, once again I have to figure out how to do it first.

A few thought on the game, we shot ourselves in the foot with big penalties, one that negated a touchdown. Our QB like I said he would, folded like a house of cards when he was under pressure. His pick to Maualuga (who did nothing before the INT) was one of the worst throws I have ever seen, Hartline had Rey Rey beat by 4 yards and Boeckman actually waited till Rey Rey was on him to throw the ball. Boeckmans 2nd pick was Boeckman being Boeckman, which is an average QB, he won't win a game for you but can loose a game for you. Our offensive line was absolutely awful. Our defense made some huge critical mistakes, had Freeman get burned by that TE, Jenkins and Chekwa both took the under route on the wide open touchdown. I could continue but am too tired. USC is a very good, talented, and well coached team.

I am going to make a statement after watching a lot of games. I think the BCS National Championship will be USC vs Mizzouri. Mizzouri is the only team in the country IMO who has just as good an offense if not better than USC. USC has a better defense, but it would be a great game.

After watching JL and Rey Rey, I still think JL is a better LB. Rey picked a pass off that was thrown right too him. JL was all over the field making plays, IMO he is better and I have watched both players extensively.

KcMizzou
09-13-2008, 10:53 PM
Thanks for the Mizzou props.

You were just outclassed by USC... and honestly, there's no shame in that.

Much respect to you for coming back to take your lumps. A lot of folks (hell, most) don't do that.

Good luck to you and your team for the rest of the season.

Mecca
09-13-2008, 10:53 PM
JL is like Donnie Edwards, he's in on alot of plays just many of them are 10 yards downfield.

But hey man I won't rip on you, you aren't the coach, I have some more respect for your team for having the balls to schedule a game like this one.

El Jefe
09-13-2008, 10:59 PM
JL is like Donnie Edwards, he's in on alot of plays just many of them are 10 yards downfield.

But hey man I won't rip on you, you aren't the coach, I have some more respect for your team for having the balls to schedule a game like this one.

You know something has to change for our program. Jim Tress cannot continue to be the OC as well as the Coach. I sometimes fall asleep when watching us play because JT's philosophy is a lot like Herm/Marty ball. It is chew up clock, run the ball, play defense and win. He needs a new DC also, Heacock is terrible, he has had 4 games to show his salt, and he blew it against Florida, LSU, Illinois, and now SC. I was getting so dang tired of watching Mcknight, he is a fast sum beech. Unfortunately at OSU we have not been able to get a QB that is any good for more than a year. I think Pryor will be good, but that still remains to be seen. SC always has a nice stable of QB's.

I tell you I didn't watch Mizzou a lot before last year, but that Daniels is impressive, he looks a little small but he is a good QB. Maclin is just unreal, he is fun to watch.

Frazod
09-13-2008, 11:00 PM
Keep your casino cash, kid. After all the shit I've given you, you deserve to keep it.

KcMizzou
09-13-2008, 11:01 PM
I tell you I didn't watch Mizzou a lot before last year, but that Daniels is impressive, he looks a little small but he is a good QB. Maclin is just unreal, he is fun to watch.Daniel... no "S".

And thanks again... yes, he is.

Mecca
09-13-2008, 11:03 PM
This is what I'll say about OSU, the conservative stuff is great if your team isn't that talented but they are one of the most talented teams in college football, there is no reason to not be aggressive.

Their asses pucker against top teams because their coach calls games tight so they play tight. There is no looseness or aggressiveness in the play calling.

And I'll be dead honest here, if your team would get a bit creative with their sets and playcalling Brandon Saine could do some of the same things McKnight does, but they don't seem to want to allow him to do that.

KcMizzou
09-13-2008, 11:04 PM
Keep your casino cash, kid. After all the shit I've given you, you deserve to keep it.Hahaha...

And here I thought you were a heartless bastard who couldn't be reasoned with...

'Least that's what I've read around here.... ;)

El Jefe
09-13-2008, 11:05 PM
Keep your casino cash, kid. After all the shit I've given you, you deserve to keep it.

LMAO. It's tuff to say anything or defend anything said about us now. I do appreciate your kind gesture though. Good luck this year, with that Offense you guys have, it could be your year.

CupidStunt
09-13-2008, 11:07 PM
Laurinaitis was terrible. Nothing but a soft LB with more speed than most of the crap the Big Ten puts out there on offense. He's not even in Maualuga's league.

El Jefe
09-13-2008, 11:07 PM
This is what I'll say about OSU, the conservative stuff is great if your team isn't that talented but they are one of the most talented teams in college football, there is no reason to not be aggressive.

Their asses pucker against top teams because their coach calls games tight so they play tight. There is no looseness or aggressiveness in the play calling.

And I'll be dead honest here, if your team would get a bit creative with their sets and playcalling Brandon Saine could do some of the same things McKnight does, but they don't seem to want to allow him to do that.

I wish I could rip the play calling duties from JT, I think it is a big mistake, he is way too conservative. Your D-line was ripping apart our O-Line, I was not impressed at all with Alex Boone, he had two false starts and he forgot to pick up Cushions (sp) when he blasted Boeckman in the back and SC recovered the fumble.

KcMizzou
09-13-2008, 11:09 PM
LMAO. It's tuff to say anything or defend anything said about us now. I do appreciate your kind gesture though. Good luck this year, with that Offense you guys have, it could be your year.God, i hope so...

I can't speak for Fraz, but I'm ****ing excited and scared all at once. This offense is amazing... seriously. Better than last year...

But it won't mean a damned thing if it doesn't take us farther...

Mecca
09-13-2008, 11:11 PM
Alex Boone is a good college OT, but not a great NFL prospect so that may explain why he struggled tonight.

Either way there are guys that have been recruited to play offense at Ohio State that any team would have taken, SC recruited some of them so obviously they can be playmakers your coaching staff needs to use them right instead of wanting to be Herm.

El Jefe
09-13-2008, 11:21 PM
Alex Boone is a good college OT, but not a great NFL prospect so that may explain why he struggled tonight.

Either way there are guys that have been recruited to play offense at Ohio State that any team would have taken, SC recruited some of them so obviously they can be playmakers your coaching staff needs to use them right instead of wanting to be Herm.

I will have to agree with you there, I think we saw a similar thing in Kirk Barton at RT, he was good in college but just wasn't NFL Caliber.

Mosbonian
09-13-2008, 11:22 PM
Hahaha...

And here I thought you were a heartless bastard who couldn't be reasoned with...

'Least that's what I've read around here.... ;)

Tim's a nice guy, don't let that tough exterior fool ya'.....

But I will warn you....whatever you do don't wear a refrigerator costume at Halloween...he might just have a flashback. :D

mmaddog
*******

KcMizzou
09-13-2008, 11:29 PM
Tim's a nice guy, don't let that tough exterior fool ya'.....

But I will warn you....whatever you do don't wear a refrigerator costume at Halloween...he might just have a flashback. :D

mmaddog
*******Yeah... I've met him. The guy's cool as hell, and a hell of a singer. (Gator's) I'd buy him a beer (or twelve) in a second.

It's odd how he's a villian. He's one of the coolest guys to post here, in my humble opinion.

El Jefe
09-13-2008, 11:29 PM
Laurinaitis was terrible. Nothing but a soft LB with more speed than most of the crap the Big Ten puts out there on offense. He's not even in Maualuga's league.

4 tackles for loss is terrible?

Frazod
09-14-2008, 12:27 AM
Yeah... I've met him. The guy's cool as hell, and a hell of a singer. (Gator's) I'd buy him a beer (or twelve) in a second.

It's odd how he's a villian. He's one of the coolest guys to post here, in my humble opinion.

I'm only a villain to those who deserve it. :)

Mecca
09-14-2008, 04:44 AM
Clueless in Columbus
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports 1 hour, 26 minutes ago

More From Dan Wetzel


LOS ANGELES – Here was Jim Tressel, sitting in front of a microphone after his program again melted into a big-game puddle of scarlet and grey. Here was Ohio State’s leader after another national humiliation, 35-3, this time at the hands of Southern California.

Here was the sweater vest, who keeps calling for the same old failed game plan even when he’s far from the comforts of the cornfields of the Midwest. He’s an example of coaching insanity – expecting the same bad plays to produce different results.

Here was Jim Tressel and all he could do was smile and shrug.

“The guys fought hard,” he offered Saturday night. “I don’t know that we did the best we could do, but we fought hard.”

So apparently that’s it now for Ohio State. They fought hard. Let’s just focus on the moral victory – the lament of every blown-out, schedule-padding cupcake in college football. We were overmatched and outcoached, sure, but we fought hard.

Only this is Ohio State. The Buckeyes keep getting their ass kicked when they dare to venture out of Big Ten/MAC land and Tressel doesn’t look or sound the least bit concerned.

Outrage? Frustration? Embarrassment? How about apologies to the Buckeye fans who no doubt feel plenty of all three? Or maybe one for poor quarterback Todd Boeckman, who thanks to a most uninspired offensive game plan had USC defenders taking turns teeing up to try to rupture his spleen?

“They did everything we saw on film, nothing changed,” said USC linebacker Rey Maualuga, who had five tackles and a pick six.

It isn’t just that Ohio State keeps producing no-show efforts in these supposed referendum games. It’s that the Buckeyes passion postgame is as feeble as it is in the game. If they are just being polite and internalizing, then the Bucks will one day need a lot of therapy.

“Taking a lot of heat from whom?” Tressel retorted when asked about the perception of the program nationally. “I guess I’m only concerned with Ohio State fans.”

If he thinks they are satisfied with this, he must be blinded by his latest contract extension.

This was paint-by-numbers football, the Buckeyes exposed as frauds early in the year this time, not at the end. This year, not even the absurd BCS can save them. Not that they admitted that.

“It’s only September,” Tressel said.

“We kept fighting, I’m happy with the effort,” said linebacker Jim Laurinaitis, perhaps oblivious to the 35 consecutive points USC scored, a number that could’ve been greater had Trojans coach Pete Carroll wanted to run it up.

Getting rolled by a powerhouse Trojan team, at home in a rowdy L.A. Coliseum on a perfect California night is one thing. Taking a whipping and hardly caring is another.

The Buckeyes have gotten fat and happy in the Midwest and it isn’t just a lack of speed or talent that keeps getting them destroyed nationally. It’s a lack of urgency.

“We’ve got Troy next week,” Laurinaitis said. “We just need to work on getting better.”

Troy? Really, Troy?

“What’s important for us is we roll up our sleeves and go back to work,” said Tressel, whose sweater never has sleeves.

Back in the Midwest, Ohio State’s version of football works wonders. It generally has better talent than opponents and consistently grinds out victory after victory.

It’s everywhere else, against everyone else, that Ohio State can hardly run or throw, tackle or scheme. And there is no way it’s changing unless Tressel begins to admit it.

“We’ve had success but you kind of have to measure success with who you play,” admitted wide receiver Brian Hartline, perhaps the only Buckeye with any emotion postgame.

“We do a great job playing against Big Ten teams but a lot of times, you have to get ready for out of conference. Obviously we haven’t done that very well in the near past.”

What’s the difference?

“I don’t know,” he shrugged. “I really don’t know. I don’t personally see a lot of difference, but there’s got to be something.”

Try everything. This looked like the same shell-shocked program of BCS beatings past. After Florida destroyed them in January 2007, the Bucks showed up again in the title game and promised something different. It was the same, destruction at the hands of LSU.

This year they returned so many starters and so many stars, all of whom promised redemption. USC smacked them around with ease.

Hartline claimed he and his fellow receivers were open, but the offensive line didn’t provide time for quarterbacks Boeckman or Terrelle Pryor to throw. USC had five sacks.

“The ball couldn’t get in the air,” Hartline said.

Meanwhile, the USC line opened holes for C.J. Gable and Joe McKnight to pad their YouTube highlights.

When Ohio State is getting dominated (again) in the trenches, what exactly does this program stand for anymore?

Don’t ask Tressel. Apparently it’s all about fighting hard. Besides, all things considered, he seemed relatively pleased.

After all, they get Troy next week.

BigMeatballDave
09-14-2008, 07:42 AM
Clueless in Columbus
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports 1 hour, 26 minutes ago

More From Dan Wetzel


LOS ANGELES – Here was Jim Tressel, sitting in front of a microphone after his program again melted into a big-game puddle of scarlet and grey. Here was Ohio State’s leader after another national humiliation, 35-3, this time at the hands of Southern California.

Here was the sweater vest, who keeps calling for the same old failed game plan even when he’s far from the comforts of the cornfields of the Midwest. He’s an example of coaching insanity – expecting the same bad plays to produce different results.

Here was Jim Tressel and all he could do was smile and shrug.

“The guys fought hard,” he offered Saturday night. “I don’t know that we did the best we could do, but we fought hard.”

So apparently that’s it now for Ohio State. They fought hard. Let’s just focus on the moral victory – the lament of every blown-out, schedule-padding cupcake in college football. We were overmatched and outcoached, sure, but we fought hard.

Only this is Ohio State. The Buckeyes keep getting their ass kicked when they dare to venture out of Big Ten/MAC land and Tressel doesn’t look or sound the least bit concerned.

Outrage? Frustration? Embarrassment? How about apologies to the Buckeye fans who no doubt feel plenty of all three? Or maybe one for poor quarterback Todd Boeckman, who thanks to a most uninspired offensive game plan had USC defenders taking turns teeing up to try to rupture his spleen?

“They did everything we saw on film, nothing changed,” said USC linebacker Rey Maualuga, who had five tackles and a pick six.

It isn’t just that Ohio State keeps producing no-show efforts in these supposed referendum games. It’s that the Buckeyes passion postgame is as feeble as it is in the game. If they are just being polite and internalizing, then the Bucks will one day need a lot of therapy.

“Taking a lot of heat from whom?” Tressel retorted when asked about the perception of the program nationally. “I guess I’m only concerned with Ohio State fans.”

If he thinks they are satisfied with this, he must be blinded by his latest contract extension.

This was paint-by-numbers football, the Buckeyes exposed as frauds early in the year this time, not at the end. This year, not even the absurd BCS can save them. Not that they admitted that.

“It’s only September,” Tressel said.

“We kept fighting, I’m happy with the effort,” said linebacker Jim Laurinaitis, perhaps oblivious to the 35 consecutive points USC scored, a number that could’ve been greater had Trojans coach Pete Carroll wanted to run it up.

Getting rolled by a powerhouse Trojan team, at home in a rowdy L.A. Coliseum on a perfect California night is one thing. Taking a whipping and hardly caring is another.

The Buckeyes have gotten fat and happy in the Midwest and it isn’t just a lack of speed or talent that keeps getting them destroyed nationally. It’s a lack of urgency.

“We’ve got Troy next week,” Laurinaitis said. “We just need to work on getting better.”

Troy? Really, Troy?

“What’s important for us is we roll up our sleeves and go back to work,” said Tressel, whose sweater never has sleeves.

Back in the Midwest, Ohio State’s version of football works wonders. It generally has better talent than opponents and consistently grinds out victory after victory.

It’s everywhere else, against everyone else, that Ohio State can hardly run or throw, tackle or scheme. And there is no way it’s changing unless Tressel begins to admit it.

“We’ve had success but you kind of have to measure success with who you play,” admitted wide receiver Brian Hartline, perhaps the only Buckeye with any emotion postgame.

“We do a great job playing against Big Ten teams but a lot of times, you have to get ready for out of conference. Obviously we haven’t done that very well in the near past.”

What’s the difference?

“I don’t know,” he shrugged. “I really don’t know. I don’t personally see a lot of difference, but there’s got to be something.”

Try everything. This looked like the same shell-shocked program of BCS beatings past. After Florida destroyed them in January 2007, the Bucks showed up again in the title game and promised something different. It was the same, destruction at the hands of LSU.

This year they returned so many starters and so many stars, all of whom promised redemption. USC smacked them around with ease.

Hartline claimed he and his fellow receivers were open, but the offensive line didn’t provide time for quarterbacks Boeckman or Terrelle Pryor to throw. USC had five sacks.

“The ball couldn’t get in the air,” Hartline said.

Meanwhile, the USC line opened holes for C.J. Gable and Joe McKnight to pad their YouTube highlights.

When Ohio State is getting dominated (again) in the trenches, what exactly does this program stand for anymore?

Don’t ask Tressel. Apparently it’s all about fighting hard. Besides, all things considered, he seemed relatively pleased.

After all, they get Troy next week.Great read! I'm an OSU fan and I completely agree with this. Tressel is arrogantly ignorant to his surrounds outside of Ohio.

Bearcat
09-14-2008, 10:05 AM
This is what I'll say about OSU, the conservative stuff is great if your team isn't that talented but they are one of the most talented teams in college football, there is no reason to not be aggressive.

Their asses pucker against top teams because their coach calls games tight so they play tight. There is no looseness or aggressiveness in the play calling.

And I'll be dead honest here, if your team would get a bit creative with their sets and playcalling Brandon Saine could do some of the same things McKnight does, but they don't seem to want to allow him to do that.

While watching the game last night I remembered your comments about how teams like Florida and Michigan shouldn't play a gimmick offense because they don't need it with all of the talent they have... and how the gimmick offense doesn't help players prepare for the NFL.

There's obviously a huge middle ground between OSU and Florida, like USC, and I agree with what you said about OSU. I'd personally rather see Florida utilize their speed in different ways than see OSU take football back 50 years, even if it's not good for the NFL....

So now I'm curious, which side of the spectrum do you prefer? Florida, who might sacrifice NFL development for an entertaining style and college success; or OSU, who develops players for the NFL but at the expense of success versus today's aggressive/spread offenses?

Lzen
09-14-2008, 10:33 AM
A USC vs MU title game would be interesting, for sure. MU definitely has one of the best offenses anyone has seen for a long time. But USC's defense is much better than MU's. Could USC slow them down enough for their offense to pull away? Long ways to go before that is even a consideration, though.

milkman
09-14-2008, 10:37 AM
A USC vs MU title game would be interesting, for sure. MU definitely has one of the best offenses anyone has seen for a long time. But USC's defense is much better than MU's. Could USC slow them down enough for their offense to pull away? Long ways to go before that is even a consideration, though.

MU would have to get past Oklahoma first.

DaKCMan AP
09-16-2008, 09:08 PM
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