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Deberg_1990
09-14-2008, 08:47 PM
QB = No

O-Line - no

Rb's - no

D-line - Hmmm...they have gotten younger, but overall have they really improved??

Linebackers - No

Defensive backs - perhaps??

special teams - no

punter - maybe??

place kicker - no



Not a very good track record.....

Why does this guy deserve to still have a job??

***SPRAYER
09-14-2008, 08:48 PM
In 8 years, Herman Edwards destroyed two franchises. Who's next?

|Zach|
09-14-2008, 08:48 PM
All defensive units.

Our defense used to be as bad as our offense is right now.

Basileus777
09-14-2008, 08:49 PM
Punter. But Colquitt's improvement has nothing to do with Herm.

Basileus777
09-14-2008, 08:49 PM
All defensive units.

Certainly not our run defense. Its just as bad as it was when we were escorting Tiki Barber to the endzone.

Spott
09-14-2008, 08:50 PM
All defensive units.

Our defense used to be as bad as our offense is right now.


When did Vermeil's defense give up 300 yards rushing?

Brock
09-14-2008, 08:50 PM
The overall talent level is better. Unfortunately, the coaching is ass.

StcChief
09-14-2008, 08:51 PM
D has improved.

|Zach|
09-14-2008, 08:52 PM
This defense gives up less points than it used too.

They are a lot better than it used to be.

I am not defending Herm, I don't him as my coach anymore but the questions was asked and I answered it. Our defense from start to end has improved. Does it make them good.

You don't have to be good to be an improvement over what we had on defense.

Reaper16
09-14-2008, 08:52 PM
The draft/scouting in general.

One thing to consider is that the state of the team is what it is because of the decline of the Vermiel era players. I'm not a Herm defender here, but he's just this season putting together position units that have his stamp on them.

Deberg_1990
09-14-2008, 08:52 PM
All defensive units.

Our defense used to be as bad as our offense is right now.


Zach,

They have gotten younger, but have they really improved overall? We just gave up 300 yards rushing to a bad one dimensional offense.

Brock
09-14-2008, 08:52 PM
When did Vermeil's defense give up 300 yards rushing?

Basically at Denver.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-14-2008, 08:57 PM
There is more talent on the defense, far less on offense, and we are substantially more poorly coached.

blueballs
09-14-2008, 08:58 PM
Herm is just a Tom Coughlin
rebuilder that may get a ring before replaced

cdcox
09-14-2008, 08:58 PM
Fan flustration is way up.

chief52
09-14-2008, 08:59 PM
The draft/scouting in general.

One thing to consider is that the state of the team is what it is because of the decline of the Vermiel era players. I'm not a Herm defender here, but he's just this season putting together position units that have his stamp on them.

I would agree with this.

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 08:59 PM
Oldest to youngest?

|Zach|
09-14-2008, 08:59 PM
Zach,

They have gotten younger, but have they really improved overall? We just gave up 300 yards rushing to a bad one dimensional offense.

Yes. On defense.

They have.

Under Herm means more than what happened on this Sunday.

Tribal Warfare
09-14-2008, 09:00 PM
drafting in general, but nurturing that talent is non-existent

KrazyKorean4
09-14-2008, 09:20 PM
The defense mostly. Everything else has gone downhill.

It's not even downhill at this point anymore, more of a free-fall.

Deberg_1990
09-14-2008, 09:24 PM
People dog on Vermeil alot, but he did rebuild when he came in.

New QB
New RB
Rebuilt O-line
New WR's

Better position coaches

Albeit he did it with mostly vets, but he did rebuild.

IM not even Vermeils biggest fan, but Herm makes DV look like Bellicheck.

Predarat
09-14-2008, 09:24 PM
He has improved the price for Chiefs tickets on ebay and the price of Chiefs merchandise.

Brock
09-14-2008, 09:26 PM
People dog on Vermeil alot, but he did rebuild when he came in.

New QB
New RB
Rebuilt O-line
New WR's

Better position coaches

Albeit he did it with mostly vets, but he did rebuild.
IM not even Vermeils biggest fan, but Herm makes DV look like Bellicheck.

What Vermeil did isn't rebuilding. That's why we're rebuilding now.

OnTheWarpath58
09-14-2008, 09:27 PM
What Vermeil did isn't rebuilding. That's why we're rebuilding now.

Exactly.

Saleenman607
09-14-2008, 09:29 PM
What Vermeil did isn't rebuilding. That's why we're rebuilding now.

Thats true, but at least vermiel (on offense) knew how to judge talent

Brock
09-14-2008, 09:31 PM
Thats true, but at least vermiel (on offense) knew how to judge talent

Sure, talent of players that he's watched for years. His drafts were all a freaking joke though. My point is that trading draft picks for old players isn't rebuilding.

|Zach|
09-14-2008, 09:33 PM
People dog on Vermeil alot, but he did rebuild when he came in.

New QB
New RB
Rebuilt O-line
New WR's

Better position coaches

Albeit he did it with mostly vets, but he did rebuild.

IM not even Vermeils biggest fan, but Herm makes DV look like Bellicheck.

Yes, nobody is acting like our offense is better.

Besides no matter what Herm does he accomplished as much as DV. A playoff appearance resulting in a loss.

ChiefsCountry
09-14-2008, 09:34 PM
Thats true, but at least vermiel (on offense) knew how to judge talent

Hall was his only discovery. Holmes was a 1000 yard back early in his career, of course nobody expected him to turn into what he did. A blind monkey knew Willie Roaf was a pure stud and Green, Kennison, and Weigmann were productive starters in the league. It was a quick fix to get a Super Bowl and it set this franchise back. That and the Greatest Show on Turf offense was a smoke and mirror show on the fan base as well.

ClevelandBronco
09-14-2008, 09:34 PM
Name an area of the Chiefs Herm Edwards has improved since he took over?

Draft position comes to mind.

evolve27
09-14-2008, 09:35 PM
Name an area of the Chiefs Herm Edwards has improved since he took over?

Draft position comes to mind.

Nice.

Deberg_1990
09-14-2008, 09:36 PM
Draft position comes to mind.

We have a winner!!!

jidar
09-14-2008, 09:42 PM
I'm not a fan of Herm at all, I'd like his ass to be fired and I look forward to him being gone.
That said, this post is stupid.

The defense is better than it was, if you don't think so you've got a shitty selective memory.

el borracho
09-14-2008, 09:43 PM
QB = No

O-Line - no

Rb's - Yes, actually, we now have 3 legit options.

D-line - Hmmm...they have gotten younger, but overall have they really improved?? I would actually say, "maybe"- we have more good players with potential but traded away our great player who was already performing.

Linebackers - No

Defensive backs - perhaps?? I think so, yes.

special teams - no

punter - maybe??

place kicker - no



Not a very good track record.....

Why does this guy deserve to still have a job?? He doesn't.

Herm sucks plenty of syphllytic donkey dick on his own- there's really no need for hiperbole.

blueballs
09-14-2008, 09:43 PM
crowds of drunken happy fans can hurt themselves on the rebuilding debris
a handful of drunken pissed off fans can help with the demolition

Saleenman607
09-14-2008, 09:43 PM
Sure, talent of players that he's watched for years. His drafts were all a freaking joke though. My point is that trading draft picks for old players isn't rebuilding.
true enough. too bad he couldn't of helped a little on the D side during his time

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
09-14-2008, 09:44 PM
dumb quotes?
lame post game press conferences?

Iowanian
09-14-2008, 09:49 PM
If this was Madden.....I'd simulate the season, acquire some additional picks, wipe out the coaching staff, start over and get ready for the 2009 draft.

|Zach|
09-14-2008, 09:53 PM
if you don't think so you've got a shitty selective memory.

Yup.

Iowanian
09-14-2008, 09:57 PM
The team and the coaching suck balls right now.

I do think in 2 years, we'll see that there are several players that are more talented.

I think Herm has done a good job with the selection of Albert, Carr, Flowers, Pollard, Page, likely Dorsey, Bowe, Charles and possibly some other foundation building blocks.

DaneMcCloud
09-14-2008, 10:03 PM
The team and the coaching suck balls right now.

I do think in 2 years, we'll see that there are several players that are more talented.

I think Herm has done a good job with the selection of Albert, Carr, Flowers, Pollard, Page, likely Dorsey, Bowe, Charles and possibly some other foundation building blocks.

The Chiefs are soooo far behind the eight ball in terms of personnel that it's not even worth discussing. They just need to continue drafting the BPA at each and every draft spot and hope that they hit on those players.

This team has needed a complete enema since 1998, so this a LONG overdue.

jjjayb
09-14-2008, 10:04 PM
Hall was his only discovery. Holmes was a 1000 yard back early in his career, of course nobody expected him to turn into what he did. A blind monkey knew Willie Roaf was a pure stud and Green, Kennison, and Weigmann were productive starters in the league. It was a quick fix to get a Super Bowl and it set this franchise back. That and the Greatest Show on Turf offense was a smoke and mirror show on the fan base as well.

Set it back?!? Set it back from what? We were a losing club when he came here and we are losing club after he left. How are we worse off because of him? Herm has had 3 drafts now. WTF has he done besides embarrass us even worse than Vermeil's defenses? Has our D really gotten better? Teams don't score more on us because they don't have to. They only need a couple of Field goals to ensure a victory over us.

dj56dt58
09-14-2008, 10:08 PM
draft position

jidar
09-14-2008, 10:10 PM
I'll take the "greatest show on grass" over this crap any day of the week and twice on sunday.
A top 5 O and a bottom dwelling D is better than a top 15 D and a bottom dwelling O

DaneMcCloud
09-14-2008, 10:14 PM
Set it back?!? Set it back from what? We were a losing club when he came here and we are losing club after he left. How are we worse off because of him? Herm has had 3 drafts now. WTF has he done besides embarrass us even worse than Vermeil's defenses? Has our D really gotten better? Teams don't score more on us because they don't have to. They only need a couple of Field goals to ensure a victory over us.

This is a joke, right?

How are we worse off?

Well, about 5 shitty drafts!

If Vermeil and his band of old cronies knew how to draft, the Chiefs roster wouldn't be devoid of talent and in such disarray.

If Vermeil and his short-sightedness hadn't drafted for ****ing NEED every draft, the Chiefs might actually have a few players in their prime.

And if ****ing Vermeil had actually WON anything while he was here, you may have a point.

But he didn't and you don't.

ChiefsCountry
09-14-2008, 10:16 PM
Set it back?!? Set it back from what? We were a losing club when he came here and we are losing club after he left. How are we worse off because of him? Herm has had 3 drafts now. WTF has he done besides embarrass us even worse than Vermeil's defenses? Has our D really gotten better? Teams don't score more on us because they don't have to. They only need a couple of Field goals to ensure a victory over us.

We are way worse off with our personal. We have nothing to show from our 2001, 2002, 2003 other than LJ, and 2004 drafts. Those drafts should be the backbone of this franchise right now. DJ and Colquitt are Vermeil's only draft picks that are actually showing something. Herm's players are actually showing something Hali, Pollard, Page from the first draft are playing pretty good - Bowe looks to be a future stud, Tank and Turk look to have a nice future as well. And this year's draft looks like the jackpot. Damn it you guys are making me trying to defend Herm and I think the dude is an idiot but you cant say with a straight face that Vermeil caused this disaster of a franchise right now.

Brock
09-14-2008, 10:17 PM
Set it back?!? Set it back from what? We were a losing club when he came here and we are losing club after he left. How are we worse off because of him?

The Chiefs are what they are right now because of Vermeil's ridiculously bad drafts. Jared Allen was a complete blind luck pick. Take him out of the equation and what does this team have from those 5 drafts? Derrick Johnson and that's about it.

Deberg_1990
09-14-2008, 10:17 PM
Herm sucks because he sucks. Not because of DV, his draft, the ghosts of DT or anyone else....

Some of you guys act as if the DV era should have never even existed....LOL

Not trying to defend DV too much, but damn, he was 20 times the coach Herm Edwards is or ever will be.

ChiefsCountry
09-14-2008, 10:18 PM
The Chiefs are what they are right now because of Vermeil's ridiculously bad drafts. Jared Allen was a complete blind luck pick. Take him out of the equation and what does this team have from those 5 drafts? Derrick Johnson and that's about it.

Colquitt :)

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:19 PM
Thats true, but at least vermiel (on offense) knew how to judge talent


Defense or friends?

Brock
09-14-2008, 10:19 PM
Some of you guys act as if the DV era should have never even existed....LOL.

What if it didn't? Would we really miss one more playoff loss?

Deberg_1990
09-14-2008, 10:20 PM
What if it didn't? Would we really miss one more playoff loss?

Imagine the Gunther Cunningham era from 1999-2005! ROFL

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:23 PM
Herm sucks because he sucks. Not because of DV, his draft, the ghosts of DT or anyone else....

Some of you guys act as if the DV era should have never even existed....LOL

Not trying to defend DV too much, but damn, he was 20 times the coach Herm Edwards is or ever will be.

Coach, yes made his side great while not caring of the other half. He is the total coach..

ROFL

FAX
09-14-2008, 10:24 PM
Before this 300 yard game against the fade, I would have said that the D is better than they were. And maybe they are, but even/if so, they're not going to be improved for long with the offense shooting for the new league record in 3 and outs. Between fatigue, injury, and flustration, the D is going to hit bottom as well, unless they get the O figured out.

FAX

Fish
09-14-2008, 10:25 PM
Herm sucks because he sucks. Not because of DV, his draft, the ghosts of DT or anyone else....

Some of you guys act as if the DV era should have never even existed....LOL

Not trying to defend DV too much, but damn, he was 20 times the coach Herm Edwards is or ever will be.

How's that?

DV had 1 playoff appearance and pile of shit drafts.

Herm has 1 playoff appearance and several good drafts.

20 times the coach?

DaneMcCloud
09-14-2008, 10:26 PM
Damn it you guys are making me trying to defend Herm and I think the dude is an idiot but you cant say with a straight face that Vermeil caused this disaster of a franchise right now.

Uh, yes you can.

You can't build a championship team if after five years, two players are left on the roster.

This is a direct result of the Vermeil regime. There's no two ways about it.

ChiefsCountry
09-14-2008, 10:28 PM
Uh, yes you can.

You can't build a championship team if after five years, two players are left on the roster.

This is a direct result of the Vermeil regime. There's no two ways about it.

Shit I left out "didnt" in my post. I agree with this.

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:29 PM
260 in running yards you mean?

210 in the 2nd half. That pisses me off toooooooo.

"but it is what it is"

:evil:

Seriously I am pissed as hell after today but I also praised the n00bs and expect it to get worse before we win a SB......

Do you not?

FAX
09-14-2008, 10:30 PM
DV is somewhere laughing his wrinkly old ass off, right now. Take that Chiefs fans. You wanted a new defense, now you've got one.

At least, if you wanted to compete against DV's team, you had to bring your A game. When you play Herm's Chiefs, you can't even let your guys watch film. They might pick up some bad habits, plus the giggling gets completely out of control.

FAX

CosmicPal
09-14-2008, 10:30 PM
20 times the coach?

1 Super Bowl win = 10 x's the coach.

Vermeil had 2 Super Bowl wins, therefore, he's 20 x's the coach. :shrug:

Brock
09-14-2008, 10:31 PM
1 Super Bowl win = 10 x's the coach.

Vermeil had 2 Super Bowl wins, therefore, he's 20 x's the coach. :shrug:

Check your math.

ping2000
09-14-2008, 10:33 PM
There is less trash inside the stadium due to fewer fans. Herm is a GREEN coach.

CosmicPal
09-14-2008, 10:34 PM
When you play Herm's Chiefs, you can't even let your guys watch film. They might pick up some bad habits, plus the giggling gets completely out of control.

FAX

Do they even bother with watching film? Shoot, a week versus the Chiefs offense must feel like a bye-week for our opposing teams.

"Well coach, who's are next opponent this Sunday?
"Uhhh, that would be the Kansas City Chiefs."
"Ahhhhh good." Pulls toothpick out his mouth and grins, "So, can I give my defensive players a week off then?"
"Sure. Take them to Disneyland, but be back here by Friday."

RibKing67
09-14-2008, 10:35 PM
I blame D.V. for this .... He left one of the oldest teams in the NFL for whoever was to take over. It is not Herms fault but he is taking all the heat for it. The blame should be placed squarely on the arrogant shoulders of King Carl. For years he kept telling us we were one or two players away from making it. We would go get a free agent or two and try an fill the spot all the while the others were getting older. The poor pitiful draft picks under D.V. were not his picks they were Carls. They were more often than not busts. Now Herm is trying to BUILD a team. There is no REbuilding this team. You have to build from scratch. IMO Chan and Herm feel like this is just a long preseason, they are evaulating talent all year long. It is hard win when you cant put a team on the feild that has no real experience.

FAX
09-14-2008, 10:39 PM
Yeah, no offense, but that's a little high, Mr. CosmicPal. They used to laugh at our defense when DV was our coach. But they never laughed at our offense or our special teams.

Under Hermoine, they laugh at the offense, the special teams, the coaching staff, the ownership, and the fans.

We really need a titty graph for this, but I'll try and spell it out anyways: When you run the numbers, that's 1 laugh target for DV which is worth 50 NFL negative rep points. Herm's organization has 5 laugh targets which is 250 NFL negative rep points. Therefore, DV is only 5 times the coach that Herm is.

FAX

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 10:45 PM
I blame D.V. for this .... He left one of the oldest teams in the NFL for whoever was to take over. It is not Herms fault but he is taking all the heat for it.



All Herm had to do was keep Saunders and keep his hands off the O - they were old, but they had a couple years left. Build the D, and he'd have seen the promised land. But no, he had to castrate one of the best offensive units to see the field - and he did it in his first couple of games as a HC.

Brock
09-14-2008, 10:45 PM
Like Saunders would have stayed here under any circumstances.

ChiefsCountry
09-14-2008, 10:46 PM
All Herm had to do was keep Saunders and keep his hands off the O - they were old, but they had a couple years left. Build the D, and he'd have seen the promised land. But no, he had to castrate one of the best offensive units to see the field - and he did it in his first couple of games as a HC.

It was more than just Saunders. Big Willie had the major impact on that which snowballed into Green get knocked out silly, which turned into the total disaster that is now.

FAX
09-14-2008, 10:48 PM
I blame D.V. for this .... He left one of the oldest teams in the NFL for whoever was to take over. It is not Herms fault but he is taking all the heat for it. The blame should be placed squarely on the arrogant shoulders of King Carl. For years he kept telling us we were one or two players away from making it. We would go get a free agent or two and try an fill the spot all the while the others were getting older. The poor pitiful draft picks under D.V. were not his picks they were Carls. They were more often than not busts. Now Herm is trying to BUILD a team. There is no REbuilding this team. You have to build from scratch. IMO Chan and Herm feel like this is just a long preseason, they are evaulating talent all year long. It is hard win when you cant put a team on the feild that has no real experience.

I don't disagree with any of this, Mr. RibKing67. Except for one thing ... in his pressers this afternoon, Herm sure didn't sound like a guy who is looking at this as a long pre-season and just taking things in stride. To me, he sounded like a man who just got his bare ass spanked by the little old lady who lives in the clapboard house down on the corner. He sounded embarrassed, defensive, and somewhat shocked. I honestly believe that Herm is beginning to realize that he's in way over his head on this deal. His expectations (whatever they may be) for game day are not being met and he doesn't know where to start in order to turn things around.

Knowing Hermoine, that means he'll go back to "basics". Blame the youth and focus again on "fundamentals". Conveniently, "basics" and "fundamentals" are about all he can offer in terms of coaching.

FAX

jjjayb
09-14-2008, 10:52 PM
I blame D.V. for this .... He left one of the oldest teams in the NFL for whoever was to take over. It is not Herms fault but he is taking all the heat for it. The blame should be placed squarely on the arrogant shoulders of King Carl. For years he kept telling us we were one or two players away from making it. We would go get a free agent or two and try an fill the spot all the while the others were getting older. The poor pitiful draft picks under D.V. were not his picks they were Carls. They were more often than not busts. Now Herm is trying to BUILD a team. There is no REbuilding this team. You have to build from scratch. IMO Chan and Herm feel like this is just a long preseason, they are evaulating talent all year long. It is hard win when you cant put a team on the feild that has no real experience.

Blame DV for this? How about blaming the shitty play calling? I have no problem believing DV could take this exact same team, with the exact same players and double their wins. (then again, how do you double 0?) He would wup these players asses in shape and actually come up with a frigging game plan besides r2p2.

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 10:53 PM
It was more than just Saunders. Big Willie had the major impact on that which snowballed into Green get knocked out silly, which turned into the total disaster that is now.


Would Roaf have quit if he thought there was any real chance of this team competing? Shoot, he talked Shields into coming back and not retireing. He went to the spring meetings, I think he saw where things were heading and figured it wasn't worth it.


And no, Saunders probably wouldn't have stayed, but they really didn't try to keep him either.

jjjayb
09-14-2008, 10:55 PM
Would Roaf have quit if he thought there was any real chance of this team competing? Shoot, he talked Shields into coming back and not retireing. He went to the spring meetings, I think he saw where things were heading and figured it wasn't worth it.


And no, Saunders probably wouldn't have stayed, but they really didn't try to keep him either.

Why the heck would Saunders stay after Herm called his offense a "circus offense" that was the cause of the Chiefs losing?

tk13
09-14-2008, 10:56 PM
I didn't realize this thread was going on... I was kinda commenting on this in another thread. I think our talent evaluation is miles better.

The problem is, at least under DV it felt like we were getting the most out of the players we had. Now we had some real untalented hacks on defense... but we had a lot of guys who were playing to the max of their potential (Trent, Priest, etc... especially guys like Blaylock, Hall, Waters, Wiegmann, Fujita, Dunn, etc)

Right now it just doesn't feel like we have a lot of guys doing that, but hopefully that gets better as time goes on.

The other hard thing about it is, Carl brought DV here to try and make one last run. Not that DV could've rebuilt this roster with youth, I don't think that's his strength at all. But I think what DV did was what Carl brought him in here to do... try and get Carl a trophy as he rode off into the sunset. No matter what it took, FA's, trading draft picks... just trying to put together a roster that could win a Super Bowl. It didn't get done, but now everyone blames DV for wrecking the franchise, when Carl knew the consequences of what they were trying to do, and now we're paying for it and he's still here without his trophy.

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 10:58 PM
As for the topic...


Colquit is the ONLY upgrade I see - and he's the one player I wished never had to see the field.

Any DL recognition is more than offset by losing Allen.

I can't really say that I think we have upgraded anywhere else yet. Give the young players a year or two, maybe. But right now, no.

BigRedChief
09-14-2008, 11:01 PM
Why the heck would Saunders stay after Herm called his offense a "circus offense" that was the cause of the Chiefs losing?
Circus offfense?
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/apphoto/fd2204ff-d358-446c-96b6-4e049b0217ba.jpg

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 11:02 PM
Why the heck would Saunders stay after Herm called his offense a "circus offense" that was the cause of the Chiefs losing?


I think being passed over when he was told years prior that he would most likely be HC when DV retired did more than Herm's comments. But Herm's comments pretty much told Saunders that Herm would be changing the O completely.


Saunders did what was best for him and I sure wouldn't have stayed if I were him. I'm just saying, had he stayed AND been given total control of the O, (add in - as well as input on player aquisition), I think he'd have the O competitive today.

CosmicPal
09-14-2008, 11:04 PM
Colquit is the ONLY upgrade I see - and he's the one player I wished never had to see the field.


Herman mistakenly believes a Super Bowl team starts with a solid punter.

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 11:08 PM
Herman mistakenly believes a Super Bowl team starts with a solid punter.


The only way Herm will see a Superbowl is if he can somehow sign the Mule from the disney movie that can kick 98 yard FGs.

beavis
09-14-2008, 11:10 PM
Draft position.

J Diddy
09-14-2008, 11:15 PM
I'm sure he's helped the liquor sales

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 11:20 PM
They won't have as many fans underfoot while the workers are doing the renovations.

ClevelandBronco
09-14-2008, 11:24 PM
They won't have as many fans underfoot while the workers are doing the renovations.

So that's the "rebuilding" they've been talking about.

It's all starting to make sense.

bkkcoh
09-15-2008, 01:49 PM
Punter and DB's are the only areas they have improved.


The only way Herm will see a Superbowl is if he can somehow sign the Mule from the disney movie that can kick 98 yard FGs.

hey, I remember going to that movie at the theater. I must be getting real old.

Hog Farmer
09-15-2008, 01:54 PM
I hope Jared Allen is watching!!!!!!!!

Reerun_KC
09-15-2008, 01:58 PM
Press conferences....

HC_Chief
09-15-2008, 02:08 PM
Draft position.

We have a winnah!

TREX
09-15-2008, 02:08 PM
Zach,

They have gotten younger, but have they really improved overall? We just gave up 300 yards rushing to a bad one dimensional offense.
Dont remember if we ever were ever run gashed that bad w/ Greg Robinson as DC. Now that is sad.

King_Chief_Fan
09-15-2008, 02:52 PM
I think being passed over when he was told years prior that he would most likely be HC when DV retired did more than Herm's comments. But Herm's comments pretty much told Saunders that Herm would be changing the O completely.


Saunders did what was best for him and I sure wouldn't have stayed if I were him. I'm just saying, had he stayed AND been given total control of the O, (add in - as well as input on player aquisition), I think he'd have the O competitive today.

I don't know about that.....The Rams have been looking pretty shoddy

Stinger
09-15-2008, 03:08 PM
I think after reading this thread we can all agree on one thing that either coach has their faults.

DV actually could game plan and assemble a somewhat competent staff of coaches. He was a very good game day coach but as far as a leading up to gameday and after game day he was out of his element.

Herm on the other had is a bad game day coach who game planning skills and game management skills are not to be desired at all. Herm strength is player evaluation and leading up to and after the game.

If there was some way to have co coaches we might be on to something. That or get to source ..... "Carl Mr. Farmer would like to see you for a minute."

DJJasonp
09-15-2008, 03:09 PM
Dont remember if we ever were ever run gashed that bad w/ Greg Robinson as DC. Now that is sad.

I submit: Clinton Portis.

Stinger
09-15-2008, 03:10 PM
Dont remember if we ever were ever run gashed that bad w/ Greg Robinson as DC. Now that is sad.

They never tried all they had to do was pass. No pass rush, CB play, and secondary

Otter
09-15-2008, 03:14 PM
I blame D.V. for this ....

Really? You would think that a teams "G-E-N-E-R-A-L" "M-A-N-A-G-E-R" would have something to say about letting a team get too old to complete and draft poorly season after season.

Fish
09-15-2008, 03:16 PM
I didn't realize this thread was going on... I was kinda commenting on this in another thread. I think our talent evaluation is miles better.

The problem is, at least under DV it felt like we were getting the most out of the players we had. Now we had some real untalented hacks on defense... but we had a lot of guys who were playing to the max of their potential (Trent, Priest, etc... especially guys like Blaylock, Hall, Waters, Wiegmann, Fujita, Dunn, etc)

Right now it just doesn't feel like we have a lot of guys doing that, but hopefully that gets better as time goes on.

The other hard thing about it is, Carl brought DV here to try and make one last run. Not that DV could've rebuilt this roster with youth, I don't think that's his strength at all. But I think what DV did was what Carl brought him in here to do... try and get Carl a trophy as he rode off into the sunset. No matter what it took, FA's, trading draft picks... just trying to put together a roster that could win a Super Bowl. It didn't get done, but now everyone blames DV for wrecking the franchise, when Carl knew the consequences of what they were trying to do, and now we're paying for it and he's still here without his trophy.

Very good post. Especially the bolded section.

J Diddy
09-15-2008, 03:18 PM
Really? You would think that a teams "G-E-N-E-R-A-L" "M-A-N-A-G-E-R" would have something to say about letting a team get too old to complete and draft poorly season after season.


I agree wholeheartedly.

It is the Gms responsibility, he's the guy who's given the duties to run the whole franchise and look in the longterm

The coaches job is to make better the players he has.

IMO, they both failed

Brock
09-15-2008, 03:23 PM
I submit: Clinton Portis.

Guys who are no longer in the league ran for 200 against that team.

SBK
09-15-2008, 03:49 PM
There is more talent on the defense, far less on offense, and we are substantially more poorly coached.

This.

Deberg_1990
10-05-2008, 04:58 PM
This thread deserves a BUMP!