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Gravedigger
09-14-2008, 10:07 PM
The Buccaneers contacted the 49ers about trading Jeff Garcia. 49ers said they weren't interested but the question arises, although I know Herm/Carl won't do it. I'm kind of on the fence about it cause I don't think he'll improve the team that much.

Do you give a conditional pick to Tampa Bay for Jeff Garcia based on his performance?

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 10:10 PM
If you were Garcia in his situation, would you rather stay in Tampa Bay and collect a check on the bench or go to KC and end your career inside of 3 quarters?

CosmicPal
09-14-2008, 10:10 PM
Good Lord

NO!

Even if we somehow cloned Joe Montana and John Elway together, that freakish beast couldn't save this team.

The QB isn't the issue! It's the head coach, the offensive line, the lack of experience, the assistant coaches, the GM, the owner, and gawd knows what else.

We need draft picks, not lateral moves.

DeezNutz
09-14-2008, 10:11 PM
Heck yes. Our goal, at all costs, should be to get to 5-11.

el borracho
09-14-2008, 10:12 PM
No, I'm a miser when it comes to draft picks and Garcia has no real long-term value to the team. This year is lost; we need to start taking the long view. Changes we make from here on out should be made with future impact in mind- not winning two extra games this year to finish 5-11.

Stinger
09-14-2008, 10:13 PM
Besides isn't Garcia injuried?

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:13 PM
Heck yes. Our goal, at all costs, should be to get to 5-11.

ROFL

CosmicPal
09-14-2008, 10:15 PM
We'd have better luck with this Garcia:

http://msp295.photobucket.com/albums/mm128/jammin4life2/JerryGarciaBand.gif

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:15 PM
8-8 this rebuilding year baby!

Just sad after 75% wants a rebuild, unless you lose the first 2.

At least CP knows the city.

Bhaa 2 weeks in. And you wonder why hes still here.

ROFLROFL

Stinger
09-14-2008, 10:18 PM
Although the more I think about this the more I am a little swayed by the though of Kelly Croyle and Carmella DeCesare (Jeff's wife) possibly getting together.

:drool: :wayne:

el borracho
09-14-2008, 10:19 PM
8-8 this rebuilding year baby!

Just sad after 75% wants a rebuild, unless you lose the first 2.

At least CP knows the city.

Bhaa 2 weeks in. And you wonder why hes still here.

ROFLROFL

Even in rebuilding years a team should be competetive with the other cellar-dwellers, no? We got bullied by a Raider team that will likely finish 4-12 this year. Rebuild or no, that is outrageous.

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:20 PM
Although the more I think about this the more I am a little swayed by the though of Kelly Croyle and Carmella DeCesare (Jeff's wife) possibly getting together.

:drool: :wayne:

At least you are more realistic.

PS I better get a copy or be there!

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:21 PM
Even in rebuilding years a team should be competetive with the other cellar-dwellers, no? We got bullied by a Raider team that will likely finish 4-12 this year. Rebuild or no, that is outrageous.

How much did they do like our past? Spending free agency money versus us?

Go Gunther.

CosmicPal
09-14-2008, 10:21 PM
We got bullied by a Raider team that will likely finish 4-12 this year. Rebuild or no, that is outrageous.

Not only that, it was ON OUR OWN FUGGEN TURF!!!! :cuss::cuss:

http://www.far-post.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/pants_protest.gif

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:22 PM
Even in rebuilding years a team should be competetive with the other cellar-dwellers, no? We got bullied by a Raider team that will likely finish 4-12 this year. Rebuild or no, that is outrageous.

I know fans hate to see long term effect. Can you?

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 10:22 PM
8-8 this rebuilding year baby!

Just sad after 75% wants a rebuild, unless you lose the first 2.

At least CP knows the city.

Bhaa 2 weeks in. And you wonder why hes still here.

ROFLROFL



Rebuilding is one thing, but we seem to still be in the demolition mode. It was the Raiders we lost to - badly - AND THEY STINK!

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-14-2008, 10:22 PM
Why would the 49ers, who run a Coryell offense, want a needle dick like Garcia trying to throw 20 yard square-ins?

el borracho
09-14-2008, 10:23 PM
What does it matter? They are a sub-500 team, probably a bottom 5 team. Rebuilding or no, we should be at least competetive with the other bottom 5 teams- don't you agree?

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:23 PM
Not only that, it was ON OUR OWN FUGGEN TURF!!!! :cuss::cuss:

http://www.far-post.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/pants_protest.gif

I hope I signed a waiver...

FAX
09-14-2008, 10:24 PM
Hmmm. It's getting clearer now. The QB situation is a setup. It has been from the get-go. A strawman that's just waiting to be deployed in operation "Save Herm's Job".

It's so obvious. Herm can buy himself at least one more year of abject failure by throwing Croyle to the media dogs and bringing in another guy. His only concern is that he has to get the timing just right. He can't make the move too early, or it won't get him an additional, full season. So, he'll either wait until late this year or, depending on our record, until the off-season when he'll go after a guy in FA or the draft. Meanwhile, he gets a total pass due to the fact that we're a "rebuilding" project at quarterback is just one of the pieces. It's brilliant.

FAX

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:24 PM
What does it matter? They are a sub-500 team, probably a bottom 5 team. Rebuilding or no, we should be at least competetive with the other bottom 5 teams- don't you agree?

The difference was 100 million against the team? While rebuilding, Do you not see the difference?

Fruit Ninja
09-14-2008, 10:25 PM
He's to old. Just go with what you got.

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:26 PM
We could spend and win the game but WTF? We have gone that route before and it gets us what, your approval?

Smed1065
09-14-2008, 10:26 PM
And Gunther for another year?

Coach
09-14-2008, 10:27 PM
No.

el borracho
09-14-2008, 10:29 PM
I know fans hate to see long term effect. Can you?

As I've said before, 0-2 isn't the problem. The problem is the way they lost to another bottom of the barrel team. LJ into Niswangers ass again after last week? Hagans in to run the option? Nothing in Carl or Herm's resumes suggest they are capable of building a champion and that is being confirmed each week in front of our eyes. I can accept a rebuilding year but still maintain that we shouldn't be blown out at home by another 4-win team.

CosmicPal
09-14-2008, 10:30 PM
As I've said before, 0-2 isn't the problem. The problem is the way they lost to another bottom of the barrel team. LJ into Niswangers ass again after last week? Hagans in to run the option? Nothing in Carl or Herm's resumes suggest they are capable of building a champion and that is being confirmed each week in front of our eyes. I can accept a rebuilding year but still maintain that we shouldn't be blown out at home by another 4-win team.

:clap: Agreed.

triple
09-14-2008, 10:31 PM
Even in rebuilding years a team should be competetive with the other cellar-dwellers, no? We got bullied by a Raider team that will likely finish 4-12 this year. Rebuild or no, that is outrageous.

I agree.

The chiefs absolutely were hammered by miami wire to wire. ok, it's the preseason. not competitive against oakland. probably same with atlanta next week.

these are 5 or 6 win teams at best, and we are making them look like they are clearly better than us.

when you lose to Oakland, you can't look at any game on the schedule and think you have a good chance for a win.

This team is unquestionably worse than last year's supposed worst case scenario.

crossbow
09-14-2008, 10:31 PM
This team could have Bret Favre as its QB and it would still run up the middle twice and then throw a sideline pass every series(?).

PastorMikH
09-14-2008, 10:31 PM
I think we are following the Charger's plan for rebuilding. Suck for a long time, get 5 years worth of high draft picks, then bring in a HC that can do something with them.

Just 3 more seasons to go...

Manila-Chief
09-14-2008, 10:38 PM
Only if we trade Herm for him.

Phobia
09-14-2008, 10:52 PM
Besides isn't Garcia injuried?

If he's not now he would be in a hurry as a KC QB.

FAX
09-14-2008, 10:52 PM
As I've said before, 0-2 isn't the problem. The problem is the way they lost to another bottom of the barrel team. LJ into Niswangers ass again after last week? Hagans in to run the option? Nothing in Carl or Herm's resumes suggest they are capable of building a champion and that is being confirmed each week in front of our eyes. I can accept a rebuilding year but still maintain that we shouldn't be blown out at home by another 4-win team.

Yeah ... today made it even more obvious, Mr. el borracho. The Hermaphrodites can say what they will, but we really didn't lose these two contests at the fundamental, core level of comparative talent on the field at any given time (Brady was, after all, knocked out of that game). Of course, there are execution issues and mistakes being made ... but that's happening on the enemy's side of the ball, as well. Ultimately, you can only blame our woes on Roaf for so long.

No, we're struggling primarily due to issues associated with coaching. Things like preparation, game planning, and tactical decisions and the like. Running the option and trying to introduce a "slash" play and player into this game, for example, was simply stunningly and amazingly ridiculous. Normally, I would say that people would be applauding that move had it worked - and the only reason they're catching flak for it now is because it didn't. However, in this particular case, does anyone actually believe that it could have worked? Really? I submit that the only people who might believe are a few true fans and the band of morons who are operating in a bubble created by Herm and insulated from certain realities in today's NFL.

The cold, hard truth is that this offense isn't substantially different from the offenses of the last two seasons - offenses that, ultimately, got Solari fired. No, Herm has given the peeps of the world good reason to scoff at the Kansas City Chiefs. His stoogery has infected the entire organization and I fear that, as the season unfolds, that fact will become even more apparent.

FAX

Rain Man
09-14-2008, 10:59 PM
This isn't about Garcia in particular, but I have a counterpoint to everyone saying that we should ditch all of our veterans and play only young players.

My counterpoint is that that isn't necessarily a good thing. If you start young players who aren't the strongest players on your roster, you put other good young players in a bad position. For example, if you start a young quarterback and you also start five young offensive linemen who are marginal candidates, the quarterback is going to be running for his life and won't develop. Similarly, if you start four young defensive linemen and two of them aren't long-term candidates, the other two are going to get double-teamed every play and won't learn how to play in a normal environment. If it came down to starting a young marginal receiver or an experienced journeyman at WR to go with a young QB, I'd take the journeyman so at least the QB can learn without worrying whether the receiver is running the right route.

Even if it's a "rebuilding" effort, it's not always good to favor the younger players.

triple
09-14-2008, 11:05 PM
i agree, Rain Man. further we can see that playing people like Thigpen is stunting the growth of the other young players on offense.

i dont think players can develop by experiencing nothing but plunger-rape on every down. they need success at least some percentage of the time.

since we run up the center's ass twice and then throw an out that's short of the marker, how much does that help brandon albert? is will franklin going to get better running a route where he's missed if he gets open, or he's not the primary receiver so he never gets looked at?

i guess i'm in favor of huard, i hate to say that, but simply because these rookie schmuck QBs are screwing things up so bad that the game is not even as good as practice for them.

DT58HOF
09-15-2008, 12:26 AM
This team could have Bret Favre as its QB and it would still run up the middle twice and then throw a sideline pass every series(?).

Brett Favre = INTS more than any other
Brett Favre = Way over-rated

DaneMcCloud
09-15-2008, 12:41 AM
No, we're struggling primarily due to issues associated with coaching. Things like preparation, game planning, and tactical decisions and the like. Running the option and trying to introduce a "slash" play and player into this game, for example, was simply stunningly and amazingly ridiculous. Normally, I would say that people would be applauding that move had it worked - and the only reason they're catching flak for it now is because it didn't. However, in this particular case, does anyone actually believe that it could have worked? Really? I submit that the only people who might believe are a few true fans and the band of morons who are operating in a bubble created by Herm and insulated from certain realities in today's NFL.

The cold, hard truth is that this offense isn't substantially different from the offenses of the last two seasons - offenses that, ultimately, got Solari fired. No, Herm has given the peeps of the world good reason to scoff at the Kansas City Chiefs. His stoogery has infected the entire organization and I fear that, as the season unfolds, that fact will become even more apparent.

FAX

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Personally, I beginning to think you just like to bitch about the Chiefs failures.

Last week, all you stupid mother****ers were bitching about the lack of creativity the Chiefs displayed in New England.

Now, it's "Who's Hagans" and "What's the Slash thing" and "Why is Thigpen out there"?

Have you sat for one second and thought "These coaches are trying their best to find out who's talented, who's going to be successful and who's a ****ing player?".

I don't think so.

You mother****ers act like there's FIVE All-Pro offensive lineman, a Pro Bowl QB and Terrell Owens and Randy Moss at receiver, yet Hermco is ****ing it all up.

JFC.

What a sad collection of whiny ass bitches that clearly don't understand the serious lack of depth and talent on the 2008 Chiefs roster.

J.F.C.

TinyEvel
09-15-2008, 12:46 AM
OH SNAP!!!!!!

FAX
09-15-2008, 01:47 AM
It occurs to me that it's also becoming increasingly obvious which posters spend a great deal of their spare time in the DC forum.

But, for the record, Mr. DaneMcCloud, that specific allegation is in error. In fact, anyone who actually pays attention to my posts over the years or is at all familiar with my general outlook both in RL or on this board knows that I don't prefer to spend my time "bitching". Nor, as it happens, do I dedicate a significant amount of effort or keystrokes attacking posters whose opinions differ from my own (as easy as that might be, as it is a particularly childish behavior - learned early as a defensive and compensatory social style and typically ultimately renounced and rejected by intelligent, mature, and thoughtful human beings). In fact, it's one of the benefits of ChiefsPlanet - that is, exposure to other, sometimes unfamiliar or even unpopular, points of view. Such a perspective, of course, requires that the poster be of sufficient mental capacity to retain two thoughts in his or her mind simultaneously which is, undoubtedly, difficult for some.

Still, I have to agree that the introduction of the "slash" offense was certainly creative. That much is true. And please feel free to continue to defend Herm's offensive strategies. I'm sure you'll get plenty of practice before season's end.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
09-15-2008, 01:51 AM
Still, I have to agree that the introduction of the "slash" offense was certainly creative. That much is true. And please feel free to continue to defend Herm's offensive strategies. I'm sure you'll get plenty of practice before season's end.

FAX

I'd be more interested in hearing what plays YOU think the Chiefs could and should run, given the lack of talent at the WR and offensive line positions.

Not to mention, QB.

FAX
09-15-2008, 02:12 AM
I'd be more interested in hearing what plays YOU think the Chiefs could and should run, given the lack of talent at the WR and offensive line positions.

Not to mention, QB.

Great question, and thanks for asking.

Actually, I've noticed that this identical question has been floated at least a couple of times in the last week by Planeteers (I don't recall off hand, but you may have been one of them). Each time, it's caught my eye. Frankly, I would very much like to chart a couple of drives for this team with adjustments (based on various possible enemy defensive reactions).

I'll tell you what, I should have a little time tomorrow (I hope) and, if so, I'll do just that. If nothing else, it should provide some grist for critique or discussion. I can tell you now that I honestly believe that there are hundreds of high school coaches who would be (at least equally, if not more) effective compared to the Herm/Gailey/Solari braintrust when it comes to designing an offensive gameplan for this particular Chiefs team given the kinds of defensive schemes we're facing, Mr. DaneMcCloud (the 3/4 notwithstanding). Heck, I think that Mr. Bob Dole could do it while making creamed corn with the other hand.

FAX