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KC kid
09-16-2008, 11:29 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3590538

Mr. Laz
09-16-2008, 11:31 AM
Owner Rosenbloom pledges change if Rams don't turn it around

ESPN.com news services

<!-- end promo plug --> <!-- end story header --><!-- begin left column --> <!-- begin page tools --> Updated: September 16, 2008, 12:42 PM ET

<!-- end page tools --><!-- begin story body --> <!-- template inline --> ST. LOUIS -- A day after unleashing a lengthy tirade about his winless team's poor play, St. Louis Rams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=stl) coach Scott Linehan was more positive Monday about turning the season around, saying, "I don't have a choice and neither does anybody else around here."

That reality became more apparent when team owner Chip Rosenbloom told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the team's play was "not acceptable" and warned changes will come if things don't improve.

The Rams, 3-13 last season, have in two weeks endured a pair of lopsided losses -- a 38-3 drubbing by the Eagles in Week 1 and a 41-13 loss to the Giants on Sunday, in which they were outscored 28-7 in the second half and gave up six sacks. Things are bad enough in St. Louis that Las Vegas has installed the Seahawks, who are also 0-2 and have been swamped by an early wave of injuries, as 10-point favorites.

<!-- end sidebar table --> Just how bad are the Rams? The offense is 3-for-26 on third-down conversions, has yet to run a play inside the opponent's 20-yard line and has allowed quarterback Marc Bulger (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2299) to absorb 10 sacks. The defense has coughed up 963 total yards and allowed a league-high 79 points. When Rosenbloom assumed control of the team in January after his mother, team owner Georgia Frontiere, passed away, he said there would be no sudden changes until he could evaluate the team.

But in an interview with the Post-Dispatch, he made it clear that he's seen enough. "Obviously, the game of football is about winning," Rosenbloom said, according to the report. "The level of play is not acceptable to me or anybody in the organization." In the interview, Rosenbloom asked that the team's fans remain patient. "I am happy for this team to be in St. Louis, where we have an appreciative fan base," he said, according to the report. "And I hope that the fans will not waver in support of their team -- even when times are a little tough." But he also pledged that change would come if things don't improve.

"Things will get better," Rosenbloom said. "And if they don't, changes will be made."

Linehan, who is normally soft-spoken but unleashed a lengthy diatribe after Sunday's loss, tried to be more upbeat a day later. "In my mind, we're going to beat Seattle," Linehan said. "I'm not making any guarantees. In my mind we're going to beat Seattle and we're going to right this ship, OK, because we don't have a choice.

"When you don't win games, people are going to want the head coach's head. That's the way it works," Linehan added. "I've accepted that only as part of the job, but not as part of where we're going."

Jokingly, Linehan said he thought about radically altering the schedule in search of a positive result, perhaps by holding practice at midnight and having players sleep during the day. Seriously, he noted it was pointless to worry about practicing the red zone offense until the Rams get there.

"We could eat baloney sandwiches on Wednesday, penalize the team for not playing very good," Linehan said. "We could try all that stuff.

The bottom line is it's how we play on Sunday and what we do when we get in those moments that's going to decide our fate." Linehan did, however, hint at personnel changes this week. The list of potential candidates could include safety Corey Chavous (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1465), cornerback Tye Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9601), wide receiver Dane Looker (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2417) and offensive linemen Richie Incognito (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8495) and Nick Leckey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5692). Linehan was 8-8 in 2006, his first season as a head coach at any level. But the Rams are in the midst of a sorry 3-15 skid dating to last season, and echoes of their 0-8 start last year are lingering with an increasingly hostile fan base. Thus far the addition of offensive coordinator Al Saunders is an early-season flop -- the Rams scored their only touchdown of the season on a fluke play against the Giants. And the statistics only hint at how much the offense is struggling: Sunday, Bulger limped away after Jackson bumped knees with him on one handoff, and Jackson tripped on the turf on what could have been a 66-yard touchdown run.

"I think it's a fragile group and we've got to stay the course," Saunders said. "I'm disappointed, certainly. I'm not discouraged about these guys, because I know what we can do down the road."

The defense has been every bit as shaky. The Giants had six gains of 28 yards or more while foiling the Rams' pregame strategy of controlling the run and stopping Plaxico Burress (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2139). "I think there are some individuals lacking confidence," defensive coordinator Jim Haslett said. "They just need to go out and play."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Mr. Laz
09-16-2008, 11:34 AM
Why is Clark Hunt not more like this (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3590538)

money

Bowser
09-16-2008, 11:36 AM
I know the Cowboys get trashed on this board, and rightfully so, but I would LOVE to have a Jerry Jones running this team. An owner who is interested in what team he puts out for everyone to see - what a concept! How much do you think Mark Cuban would have to offer Clark to buy the Chiefs? :hmmm:

Bowser
09-16-2008, 11:36 AM
money

Tightass.

xbarretx
09-16-2008, 11:39 AM
money

nah, the hunts arent exactily strapped for cash these days. i think he is intimidated by CP. i think Clark needs to "take ownership" of his franchise!

off the topic Laz.... i finially realized where your avatar is from when i went up to legends. :doh!:

OnTheWarpath58
09-16-2008, 11:40 AM
Boy, I bet the team will play so much better in Seattle this Sunday just because the owner threatened the HC's job...

Bwana
09-16-2008, 11:49 AM
Tightass.

Indeed

Simply Red
09-16-2008, 11:51 AM
Rebuilding, get over it.

Micjones
09-16-2008, 12:48 PM
Boy, I bet the team will play so much better in Seattle this Sunday just because the owner threatened the HC's job...

Way to miss the forest for the trees.
IF they don't... Changes will come.

That's the difference. They don't accept losing and a God awful showing week in and week out.

FAX
09-16-2008, 12:58 PM
There are various proven forms of motivation. The prospect of getting your ass canned is one that has worked well for generations of Americans.

FAX

Sure-Oz
09-16-2008, 12:59 PM
Our owner reminds me of David Glass right now, i almost wish we had a jerry jones type of owner that had a passion for football etc...and didnt take shit

dirk digler
09-16-2008, 01:00 PM
There are various proven forms of motivation. The prospect of getting your ass canned is one that has worked well for generations of Americans.

FAX

Yep It is such a simple concept.

I wish Clark was like that as well. Too bad he is a pussy.

OnTheWarpath58
09-16-2008, 01:02 PM
Way to miss the forest for the trees.
IF they don't... Changes will come.

That's the difference. They don't accept losing and a God awful showing week in and week out.

You should go to www.stltoday.com and read the source article.

ESPN cherry-picked the prime quotes.

Based on what I read in that article, and what I've heard around town today, Rosenbloom regrets making that comment. He had given a lengthy interview to that point, had been extremely open, but as soon as he made the comment, he declined further elaboration, and quit the interview.

And to say the Rams organization doesn't accept losing - they haven't had a winning record in FIVE YEARS.

OnTheWarpath58
09-16-2008, 01:06 PM
Rosenbloom is a smart enough man to know he made a mistake with those comments.

Making them isn't the problem, making them PUBLICLY is.

As Bryan Burwell puts it in his column today, "it serves no good to cut his knees out from under him with angry threats."

Things like this should be done in house, IMO.

Micjones
09-16-2008, 01:13 PM
You should go to www.stltoday.com and read the source article.

ESPN cherry-picked the prime quotes.

Just got done reading the source article.
ESPN didn't cherry-pick anything Rosenbloom said.
He just didn't elaborate. There was no need to. He made it painfully clear.
If the team doesn't show marked improvement changes will be made.

And to say the Rams organization doesn't accept losing - they haven't had a winning record in FIVE YEARS.

They've also won a Superbowl in the last TEN YEARS.
Along with another trip to the big game two years later.

And even when considering their rough patch they haven't cozied up to Rams Brass. Changes have been made.

Kerberos
09-16-2008, 01:13 PM
off the topic Laz.... i finially realized where your avatar is from when i went up to legends. :doh!:


Isn't that from one of the band KANSAS' album covers?

OnTheWarpath58
09-16-2008, 01:17 PM
Just got done reading the source article.
ESPN didn't cherry-pick anything Rosenbloom said.
He just didn't elaborate. There was no need to. He made it painfully clear.
If the team doesn't show marked improvement changes will be made.



They've also won a Superbowl in the last TEN YEARS.
Along with another trip to the big game two years later.

And even when considering their rough patch they haven't cozied up to Rams Brass. Changes have been made.


Suit yourself.

I only live here, and have connections inside both the sports media here, and the organization itself. But you know better than I do.

Rosenbloom is regretting he made those comments publicly.

triple
09-16-2008, 01:21 PM
I think he'll come through for us. He made some fairly strong comments in the offseason about what he expects.

Hunt is not the problem. Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards are, but I think Hunt is going to ride down on his white horse after this year.

triple
09-16-2008, 01:22 PM
Suit yourself.

I only live here, and have connections inside both the sports media here, and the organization itself. But you know better than I do.


can i have your autograph?

OnTheWarpath58
09-16-2008, 01:22 PM
can i have your autograph?

No. You may not.

FAX
09-16-2008, 01:27 PM
You know, Lamar was a very classy guy. As one of the founders of the AFL, he was extremely well-respected throughout the NFL as he should well have been. And, he was also a very loyal person - as evidenced by his relationship with Carl.

There was only one Lamar Hunt - and there will ever only be one. Frankly, that made the Chiefs a little different from a lot of teams. Our owner was one of the league giants and Lamar handled the franchise with the knowledge that he was setting an example.

This is a different era, though. Clark is a different person with different priorities and a different management style. I saw his public comments during the off-season as a precursor of what his approach to the franchise might be and I think that approach will, ultimately, be very different from his father's.

For example, I can easily imagine that Clark has set very specific, measurable objectives for Herm and, if those objectives are not met, he will make a move. I don't think he would do it mid-season, but I think he would do it. And, assuming that things do go that direction, it wouldn't surprise me if he transferred Carl into another responsible area prior to the conclusion of his contract term.

The fact is that Clark has to put his mark on this team one way or the other and he's also responsible for the Chiefs as an revenue-generating asset. Given all that, I don't think he's going to be a passive owner if his employees are failing to meet his expectations.

FAX

FAX
09-16-2008, 01:37 PM
He gave me one, Mr. triple, and I'll sell it to you for twenty bucks in casino cash.

FAX

dirk digler
09-16-2008, 01:37 PM
You know, Lamar was a very classy guy. As one of the founders of the AFL, he was extremely well-respected throughout the NFL as he should well have been. And, he was also a very loyal person - as evidenced by his relationship with Carl.

There was only one Lamar Hunt - and there will ever only be one. Frankly, that made the Chiefs a little different from a lot of teams. Our owner was one of the league giants and Lamar handled the franchise with the knowledge that he was setting an example.

This is a different era, though. Clark is a different person with different priorities and a different management style. I saw his public comments during the off-season as a precursor of what his approach to the franchise might be and I think that approach will, ultimately, be very different from his father's.

For example, I can easily imagine that Clark has set very specific, measurable objectives for Herm and, if those objectives are not met, he will make a move. I don't think he would do it mid-season, but I think he would do it. And, assuming that things do go that direction, it wouldn't surprise me if he transferred Carl into another responsible area prior to the conclusion of his contract term.

The fact is that Clark has to put his mark on this team one way or the other and he's also responsible for the Chiefs as an revenue-generating asset. Given all that, I don't think he's going to be a passive owner if his employees are failing to meet his expectations.

FAX

We will have to see Mr. Fax about Clark. So far color me unimpressed.

I will hold Clark to his word that this team will compete for a playoff spot or there would be changes. Let's see if he sticks to that.

OnTheWarpath58
09-16-2008, 01:41 PM
He gave me one, Mr. triple, and I'll sell it to you for twenty bucks in casino cash.

FAX

HEY!

FAX
09-16-2008, 02:04 PM
We will have to see Mr. Fax about Clark. So far color me unimpressed.

I will hold Clark to his word that this team will compete for a playoff spot or there would be changes. Let's see if he sticks to that.

A very prudent viewpoint, Mr. dirk digler.

Clark's still new to the job, so you're right ... we'll see. It's interesting to note that the whole "compete for a playoff spot" marker was a public statement that could mean anything, really. Every team in the league is competing for a playoff spot right now ... I mean, no one is, as yet, mathematically eliminated. So, from that perspective, Herm's already met the goal and congratulations are due to him. However, my guess is that, in the private conversations, the benchmarks are much more precise. At least, that is my hope.

FAX

triple
09-16-2008, 02:56 PM
He gave me one, Mr. triple, and I'll sell it to you for twenty bucks in casino cash.

FAX

a bargain at twice the price

whoman69
09-16-2008, 03:52 PM
Rebuilding, get over it.

Ok, this has been posted here so many times I don't even know who's being sarcastic and who isn't.

Didn't Herm say that you play to win the game? Right now it doesn't look like we are doing that. We are rebuilding into a bad franchise right now.

ChiefsCountry
09-16-2008, 03:59 PM
We will have to see Mr. Fax about Clark. So far color me unimpressed.

I will hold Clark to his word that this team will compete for a playoff spot or there would be changes. Let's see if he sticks to that.

Glad to see you bought the PR BS. What is he suppose to say right after the season ended.

kstater
09-16-2008, 04:29 PM
What is he suppose to say right after the season ended.

"We're rebuilding, get over it?"

/sarcasm

RedNeckRaider
09-16-2008, 06:18 PM
Glad to see you bought the PR BS. What is he suppose to say right after the season ended.

I fear you are wrong. I think Clark gave Carl and company this season out of respect of his dad. To take over and clean house although popular with the fans would have been an insult to his father IMO. If this team is not playing solid ball and showing signs of being on the verge by the end of this year I fear and think changes will be swift.

I can see at the end of the year Carl resigning and Clark thanking him for all he has done for the team and city. Which is another way of Clark saying quit with grace or be fired. Carls ego will do one of two things, leave with face or be run out of town out in a ego driven stand off. I think he will take the chance to leave with grace. With a new GM comes a new coach. I think with young talent in place Clark is too smart to waste this youth movment.

That said it is my hope that I am dead ass wrong and Clark signs Carl and Herm to life long deals. Hey I have to deal with Howard Hughes...........err Al Davis you must understand I am rooting for the lifetime deals.

kstater
09-16-2008, 06:21 PM
I fear you are wrong. I think Clark gave Carl and company this season out of respect of his dad. To take over and clean house although popular with the fans would have been an insult to his father IMO. If this team is not playing solid ball and showing signs of being on the verge by the end of this year I fear and think changes will be swift.

I can see at the end of the year Carl resigning and Clark thanking him for all he has done for the team and city. Which is another way of Clark saying quit with grace or be fired. Carls ego will do one of two things, leave with face or be run out of town out in a ego driven stand off. I think he will take the chance to leave with grace. With a new GM comes a new coach. I think with young talent in place Clark is too smart to waste this youth movment.

That said it is my hope that I am dead ass wrong and Clark singns Carl and Herm to life long deals. Hey I have to deal with Howard Hughes...........err Al Davis you you must understand I am rooting for the lifetime deals.

Well said, even if you're a Raider fan.