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KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2008, 02:23 PM
Controversial shot now required if you want to live the American dream
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, Sept 16, 2008

Immigrants seeking permanent legal residency in the U.S. are now mandated to take an expensive and controversial vaccine that has been linked with thousands of serious complaints and several deaths.

The Human Papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine — known as Gardasil — is one of five the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services recently added to the required list, reports Fox 8 News.

A press release from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Agency confirms that the requirements for the vaccine went into effect on July 1, 2008.

The regulation represents a total dismissal of the recommendation of Dr. Jon Abramson, chairman of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s advisory committee on immunization practices. In February 2007, Abramson said that he and the 15-member panel at the CDC opposed making Gardasil mandatory because the sexually transmitted HPV is not a contagious disease like measles or chicken pox.

At $162 per dose, the three-dose vaccine is set to make millions in profits for Gardasil manufacturer Merck, a company that has a history of both lobbying intensely for state mandates and entering into crony deals to hoodwink Americans into believing HPV vaccinations are compulsory.

Merck were unable to sell the “benefits” of the vaccine to make enough profit out of it, so instead they turned to state legislature and attempted to pay off Governors and other officials to curry favor and force eleven year old girls (and in other states children as young as eight) who aren’t even sexually active to take the shot.

However, the pharmaceutical giant agreed to stop lobbying state legislatures to make it mandatory for schoolgirls to be inoculated with Gardasil after a fierce backlash from concerned parents and religious organizations.

We previously exposed Merck’s role one such crony deal with Texas Governor Rick Perry which saw a resulting media campaign fool parents into thinking that the HPV vaccine had been made compulsory by law for all young girls.

Without consulting and doctors, scientists or medical experts, Perry, who has various close ties to Merck, issued an executive order requiring girls to be vaccinated against HPV. Several Texas lawmakers subsequently petitioned for a reversal of the decision without success.

Almost immediately following Perry’s announcement, newspapers and TV stations began to report that it was “the law” that parents had to have their child vaccinated. This reflects a national and international hoax that is repeatedly being perpetrated shortly before school terms begin each year.

There is no law in America, aside from those applying to medical workers, that says any citizen or their children have to take any vaccine whatsoever, no matter what any executive order, requirement, mandate or policy dictates.

As in the case of all other vaccines, Perry’s executive order merely stated that the vaccine is “recommended,” yet the mass media drumbeat constantly conditions people to believe that if they don’t take their shots they will be kicked out of school, arrested and thrown in jail.

Last November we reported on a case in Prince George’s County, Maryland, where parents of more than 1600 children were told they could be put in jail for failing to get their kids vaccinated. At the time a local Fox News affiliate reported, “A new law was passed last year requiring children from 5th through to 10th grade to have the vaccine,” which was a total lie.

The non-complying parents were not charged not under vaccination laws (because there aren’t any) but under truancy, neglect or child in need of supervision laws, which state that the parent is culpable after 30 days of a child’s unexplained absence from school.

The school itself triggered the truancy violation by unfairly kicking the kids out of school, and failing to inform parents about vaccine waiver forms. A state prosecutor involved in the case then admitted that there is no law that mandates any vaccine.

This trick will continue to hoodwink Americans into taking all manner of dangerous and untested vaccines, the number of which rises every year, until they realize that there is no law that forces them to take any vaccine.

Until this is drilled home with parents we will also keep seeing relatively unchallenged moves to pass legislation to make mandatory all vaccines recommended by the CDC for all children, including infants and toddlers.

As we have previously seen with other controversial schemes such as Real ID, immigrant populations provide a prime testing ground to quietly introduce policies that may later be subject to efforts to make them mandatory for all American citizens.

So what is actually in the HPV vaccine?

Live genetically engineered cancer virus. As the vaccine spreads in use, reports of horrible side effects are already starting to proliferate.

“Negative side effects of Gardasil, a new Merck vaccine to prevent the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer, are being reported in the District of Columbia and 20 states, including Virginia. The reactions range from loss of consciousness to seizures,” reported the Washington Times.

“Young girls are experiencing severe headaches, dizziness, temporary loss of vision and some girls have lost consciousness during what appear to be seizures,” said Vicky Debold, health policy analyst for the National Vaccine Information Center, a nonprofit watchdog organization that was created in the early 1980s to prevent vaccine injuries.”

The report quotes physicians who debunk the claim that the HPV vaccine even prevents cervical cancer, as is claimed by Merck and the FDA.

“There is no proof Gardasil will stop cervical cancer,” said Clayton Young, an obstetrician/gynecologist in Texas, “They haven’t been studying it long enough to make that claim.”

Non-profit, public interest group Judicial Watch, released a report at the end of June this year which revealed that there had been 9,749 adverse reactions and 21 reported deaths related to Gardasil in the last two years.

According to the report, there have been 78 severe outbreaks of genital warts, six cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome and at least 10 miscarriages reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) since the approval of Gardasil. However, a study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that clinicians, patients and drug companies report only about 10 percent of side effects to VAERS, so the actual number of Gardasil side effects could be much higher.

The CDC subsequently released a statement on July 22 which stated “Based on ongoing assessments of vaccine safety information, the FDA and CDC continue to find that Gardasil is a safe and effective vaccine… The benefits continue to outweigh the risks.”

Merck also issued a statement in response to the data, saying it “believes that no safety issue related to the vaccine has been identified. These types of events are events that could also be seen in the general population, even in the absence of vaccination.”

The CDC plans to release a study in October that it says will help determine whether a true linkage between Gardasil and the reported adverse reactions exists.

The U.S. distributed 2.2 million doses of the vaccine in 2006 and 11.3 million in 2007.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/genetically-engineered-merck-cancer-vaccine-made-mandatory-for-immigrants.html

dirk digler
09-16-2008, 02:24 PM
Illegal immigrants are the perfect guinea pig ;)

SBK
09-16-2008, 02:26 PM
You know HPV is one thing that nobody is talking about, but it's horrible. I read somewhere that 100% of women with cervical cancer have it, but they haven't yet determined if HPV causes it.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2008, 02:28 PM
Illegal immigrants are the perfect guinea pig ;)


Unfortunately this is for those who choose to go the legal route. Also many people do not know but you can use the religious exemption and get out of taking ANY of the vaccinations. Most if not all vaccines have Thymerosal in them which is mercury and causes autism. I warn any of you thinking of getting the Flu vaccine to study it and think twice about it.

BigChiefFan
09-16-2008, 02:30 PM
I don't like the sound of this.

dirk digler
09-16-2008, 02:31 PM
unfortunately this is for those who choose to go the legal route.

I know.

Anyway it is pretty shitty to use them as human guinea pigs

BigChiefFan
09-16-2008, 02:33 PM
WTF??? This concerns me a great deal.

jidar
09-16-2008, 02:34 PM
. Most if not all vaccines have Thymerosal in them which is mercury and causes autism.

yeah just figured I'd pipe in here and remind everyone that opinions aren't facts. The medical community as a whole completely disagrees with the above statement.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2008, 02:36 PM
yeah just figured I'd pipe in here and remind everyone that opinions aren't facts. The medical community as a whole completely disagrees with the above statement.

read the label, or ask your doctor to show you the label on the vaccine.

BigChiefFan
09-16-2008, 02:49 PM
Didn't they recently, also require the military to have mandatory vaccines of another type, as well?

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 02:54 PM
Didn't they recently, also require the military to have mandatory vaccines of another type, as well?

anthrax and it's a horrible vaccine.

they are already considering pulling Gardasil because of all the problems it's causing. I bet they will within a year. Any law that requires vaccines is insane. BTW Obama is for mandatory full schedule vaccines for everyone.

jiveturkey
09-16-2008, 03:00 PM
anthrax and it's a horrible vaccine.

they are already considering pulling Gardasil because of all the problems it's causing. I bet they will within a year. Any law that requires vaccines is insane. BTW Obama is for mandatory full schedule vaccines for everyone.What's McCain's stance on vaccines?

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 03:02 PM
What's McCain's stance on vaccines?

He is for the right to choose and believes mercury is reponsible for the increase in autism.

banyon
09-16-2008, 03:03 PM
WTF?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2008, 03:34 PM
He is for the right to choose and believes mercury is reponsible for the increase in autism.

Can you point me to this? I never knew Mccain had a stance on this.

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 03:40 PM
Can you point me to this? I never knew Mccain had a stance on this.

Sure, give me a second.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/toxins-john-mccain-vaccines-and-autism.html

jidar
09-16-2008, 03:42 PM
*sigh*

Jesus christ this is stupid.
tinfoil hat wearing autism whackos.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2008, 03:44 PM
anthrax and it's a horrible vaccine.

they are already considering pulling Gardasil because of all the problems it's causing. I bet they will within a year. Any law that requires vaccines is insane. BTW Obama is for mandatory full schedule vaccines for everyone.

Many believe the injections were the cause of Gulf War Syndrome.

Garcia Bronco
09-16-2008, 03:51 PM
*sigh*

Jesus christ this is stupid.
tinfoil hat wearing autism whackos.


How many autistic children do you have?

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 03:53 PM
Many believe the injections were the cause of Gulf War Syndrome.

They have problems right after the shot. My sister recently came back from Iraq. They sent 2 people home because of very serious side effects that came right after the vaccine. They were told that the vaccine was not the reason why they were having all these health problems even though it happened immediately after getting the vaccine. They do that so the numbers won't get tracked. Judicial watch is leading the charge against the FDA to free up the information they keep holding back from us. They are all over this gardasil vaccine. BTW the real numbers are WAY higher than these.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2008/jun/judicial-watch-uncovers-new-fda-records-detailing-ten-new-deaths-140-serious-adverse-e

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 03:54 PM
How many autistic children do you have?

Dude, jitard is one of the few on this BB that don't even deserve a response.

jidar
09-16-2008, 04:02 PM
How many autistic children do you have?

What the hell does that have to do with it?

Look, it doesn't take a genius to see how stupid this autism debate is. Just a couple of minutes of research helps.

Okay here, look. Thimerosal was all but eliminated from vaccines for children under 3 in 1999, so we figure in a few years declines in the autism rate should show up if there is a cause/effect relationship because since autism develops by at most 3 or 4 years of age.

3 years later, there was no effect, and the autism rate continued to increase exactly as it had been.

But the autism tin foil nuts said "Oh wait, there were still vacines on the shelves with expiration dates of 2005! People might still be using them!" Nevermind that this is actually an easy thing to check and account for, and so people did and found that still there was no link, but studies are ignored.

Well we wait some more then.

2008 January, another study done, guess what. NO DIFFERENCE.

That is probably the most obvious evidence, but if you want there is literally a MOUNTAIN of evidence all over the place from everyone that counters this stupid belief. Dozens of studies, tons of reports, and still nobody is buying this except for a few fruit cakes. Not the least of which is the fact that there is reason to believe the autism rate isn't actually rising, it's probably because of increased awareness of mild autism and 'monetary compensation' for families with kids diagnosed as autistic.

They went ahead and removed the stuff from the vaccines anyway because it wasn't that hard to replace and because there was pressure from lobbyists, but people still bitch.

As far as whack job conspiracies go, this is one of the most transparent and dumb ones around. This crap is on par with the 9/11 truthers.

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 04:20 PM
Apparently even though the head of the FDA came right out and said the vaccination safty information they released in the past is totally flawed has no effect on some people.

BTW here is Obama's position

ENATOR OBAMA DISAPPOINTS RALLYING PARENTS OUTSIDE DNC FUNDRAISER –
“I’M NOT FOR SELECTIVE VACCINATION”
Middletown, NJ ‐ Democratic Presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama (D‐IL) said at a Democratic
fundraiser on Friday evening, September 5th that parents should not be given the right to decide which
vaccines should be administered to their children.
Obama and Governor Corzine (D‐NJ) attended a pair of Democratic National Committee (DNC)
fundraisers last Friday evening held at private residences in Middletown, New Jersey . The first was a
cocktail reception at the home of DNC Finance Chairman Phil Murphy to begin at 5:00 pm.
Just two houses away, parents started gathering at the home of Louise and Ron Habakus, the parents of
two vaccine‐injured children. Ms. Habakus is a vocal supporter for federal vaccine reform and
vaccination choice in New Jersey. She lectures on vaccine safety and parent choices across New Jersey
and is a member of the New Jersey Coalition for Vaccination Choice. www.njvaccinationchoice.org
In response to an e‐mail received one day prior to the event, over one hundred people were planning to
gather to send a bipartisan message to the politicians whose motorcade would be passing in front of the
Habakus residence to and from the event. “The need for vaccine reform is an urgent, party‐neutral
issue that deeply concerns a great number of American parents. Parents do not see the science
supporting this dramatic rise in the number of shots over the past twenty‐five years, ” says Habakus.
Obama and Corzine arrived separately. Each waved to the supporters but did not stop. They appeared
to be running over an hour behind schedule. In response, adults and children alike held up signs and
stood next to banners saying Forced Vaccination: Only in America, 1:94 NJ Kids Autistic But Fully
Vaccinated, Vax Choice: Moms Know Best.
One of the rallying parents, Claudine Liss, Esq. of Little Falls, New Jersey, attended the DNC reception
with the express purpose to speak with Senator Obama. And she succeeded. As he reached out to
shake her hand, Ms. Liss said, “Senator Obama, those people rallying outside are with me. And we want
to know if you will reform federal vaccine policy. Will you come out to speak with us?”
His immediate and direct reply stunned Ms. Liss: “I am not for selective vaccination. I believe it will
bring back deadly diseases like polio.” He continued by affirming a commitment to fund more science if
required. Not relinquishing his hand, Ms. Liss leaned in and whispered, “Senator, do you see our
European friends behind you? They enjoy substantially greater vaccine freedoms in their country and
deadly diseases have not returned.” He did not specifically respond to the comment but assured Ms.
Liss that he would personally read the package she had provided.
Parents described their confusion about unanswered questions and troubling contradictions:
“Doesn’t he believe the parents? Thousands have seen their children slip away before their eyes and
they blame vaccines.”

KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2008, 04:22 PM
Who do they think they�re fooling?

By Gibbwake

Sweeping the newswires and dinosaur news media recently is a story from the California Department of Health telling us that there is no mercury autism link and that "conspiracy theorists will continue to engage this theory on the link between autism and vaccinations� The story on ABC is written with strong language, and phrasing the flawed California study as �latest nail in the coffin of a theory that draws a link [between mercury and autism]�. All of this flawed analysis is based on the unfounded claim that thimerosal has been removed from vaccines. No evidence is offered to this claim, which could potentially cause unwitting parents to think the vaccines forced by the state are perfectly healthy.
To those not familiar with this vaccine additive, �Its called thimerosal and it's made from mercury, the second most toxic metal known to man. Uranium is the most toxic. For years, thimerosal has been extremely controversial because there were alternatives to preventing vaccine contamination. Questions remain about how pharmaceutical companies conduct vaccine research and how the government regulates those companies.� Here is video of what mercury does to brain tissue under a microscope.

Thimerosal is a compound that is 49.6% mercury by weight. Although it is not used in all vaccines, it has been part of the manufacture of many vaccines since the 1930s. One of the first published papers on the mercury preservative thimerosal was by a Rockefeller Institute scientist, named Kenneth C. Smithburn, hired by Eli Lilly & Co. to test its effectiveness in treating meningitis patients. Although all of the 22 patients died, it was reported they took the mercury solution �without ill effect.� According to Andrew Waters of the Waters & Kraus law firm, "Lilly then cited this study repeatedly for decades as proof that thimerosal was of low toxicity and harmless to humans. They never revealed to the scientific community or the public the highly questionable nature of the original research."
After that, with thimerosal declared safe after killing all of the people it was tested on, it has been used:

to kill the bacteria that make the vaccine itself (e.g., whole cell pertussis vaccine)
to kill bacteria that might enter the vaccine during the production process (e.g., influenza vaccine)
as a preservative to prevent bacterial and fungal contamination of vaccines during their clinical use. In this case, thimerosal is added at the end of the production process either to the liquid vaccine itself or � in the case of dry powder vaccines � to the liquid used to dilute the vaccine
Reading the headlines and listening to the talking heads on network news channels stumble over their teleprompters reporting on the new study, you would think that the mercury has been removed. Unfortunately, the opposite is the case - it has actually increased and is used in 90% of flu vaccines. It should be noted that fetuses and young children suffer the greatest risk because their nervous systems are still developing. They are four to five times more sensitive to mercury than adults. Not only is it in 90% of the flu vaccines, but President Bush himself vetoed a bill passed by congress that would have banned thimerosal. What kind of logic are these people using to think that it has been removed � why would Bush veto a bill that wants to ban thimerosal if it has already been removed?

Notice how many of the reports, like this US News and World Report story mention that �makers of most childhood vaccines stopped using a mercury-based preservative..� The keyword there being �of most� since many still use it. The study authors conclude that thimerosal had been taken out by 2001 when this is simply not the case. Alex Jones commented on his radio show today on the 1-8-2008 show, "In 2001, the FDA made a recommendation for liability to vaccine makers that they make available small runs of non thimerosal based vaccines - but the others, for some reason, had a 4 to 5 times increase."
12 years ago, autism rates were 1 in 2500, in 2005 they were 1 in 166 (1 in 80 in boys), and current estimates are nearly double that number, but Judith Greher, one of the authors of the study said as late as 2006 that she didn�t even think autism is an epidemic.

At the end of the write up of the study on ABC news, Rockefeller University graduate and head of the Sabin Vaccine Institute, Peter Hoetz says that even talking about the obvious links between mercury and autism is damaging and distracting. "Unfortunately, this whole dialogue around vaccines and autism has been a distraction," Hotez says. It should be noted that the Sabin Vaccine Institute run by this parasite, was originally founded by Dr. Albert B. Sabin, a staffer at the Rockefeller Institute in New York in the 30s, and is dedicated to vaccinating the poor of the world and creating a �worldwide impact� through vaccine promotion and improved international immunization rates.
The Sabin Vaccine Institute is funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, who has donated untold millions to population control groups including international Planned Parenthood groups known to force: abortions, sterilization campaigns, contraceptive drugs like depoprovera (which cause aids), and vaccines on their populations. Melinda Gates is a BilderbergGroup attendee and she, along with her husband started the Global Fund for Children's Vaccines with a $750 million grant for their goal to immunize every child in the world.

When you get the reporters and vaccine manufacturers to admit that they�re using mercury, they will often use the term �trace amounts.� How much thimerosal in a vaccine is a trace amount? "A common myth is that thimerosal is added to vaccines in 'trace' amounts," says Mike Wagnitz, a senior chemist at the University of Wisconsin, "The concentration of mercury in a multi-dose flu vaccine vial is 50,000 parts per billion. To put this in perspective, drinking water cannot exceed 2 parts per billion of mercury, and waste is considered hazardous if it has only 200 parts per billion. Is it really safe then to inject pregnant women, newborns, and infants with levels of mercury 250 times higher than what is legally classified as hazardous waste?"

There is also no mention of the quick and devastating counter to this report put out by the TheNational Autism Association (NAA), which is pointing out flaws in the study in a press release, and �believes the authors used data too narrowly to make such sweeping conclusions.� The authors are overlooking �a number of confounding factors.�

"To make such sweeping conclusions regarding thimerosal, all mercury and aluminum would have to have been removed from vaccines and recalled immediately, including pre- and post-natal flu shots," says NAA board chair Claire Bothwell. The NAA press release goes on to state, �..Increasing pressure upon pregnant women and young children to receive annual flu shots has further muddied the waters in determining vaccine mercury exposure levels in recent years. Most flu shots still contain 25 micrograms of mercury, an amount the Environmental Protection Agency considers safe only for adults weighing over 550 lbs. �

Charging that number-crunching can't clear injected mercury from having neurologically injured susceptible infants and young children, NAA is posing the following questions to the authors of the study and government health agencies:

Why do so many children regress into autism after receiving vaccines, subsequently have symptoms of heavy metal toxicity, then get better when mercury is removed through chelation?
How can mercury and other toxic metals be removed from the bodies of our children more safely and efficiently?
What biological abnormalities exist that cause some individuals to be unable to detoxify heavy metals?�
NAA board member Scott Bono then comments on the lies being purported by the media that the mercury has been removed from the vaccines, "Thimerosal isn't completely gone from vaccines. It is still present in trace amounts. Since no safe level of neurotoxins such as mercury and aluminum have been established, trace amounts cannot be cleared of having caused injury, especially in susceptible children."

�Starting in the early nineties, government regulators dramatically increased the amount of Thimerosal exposure to babies by adding two new vaccines to the roster of mandatory immunizations children must have before enrolling in school. The combination of the Hepatitis B vaccine and the HiB vaccine more than doubled the amount of mercury children.� It should be noted that one of the two major vaccine makers for these two vaccines, Merck, had a huge recall last month over the fact it was shipping out vaccines that were not sterile(meaning live). This story broke at least 2 years after the LA Times received an older internal document from Merck saying they knew vaccines had a lot of mercury in them - nearly 87 times safe levels.

How much longer will the population sit back and take these dangerous drugs, pushed by these murdering drug companies? Merck especially, who actively deleted the study data for Vioxx, which showed it to be deadly. While knowing this, they continued marketing and selling the drug while it killed a record number of 60000 Americans. Keep this in mind when the state forces you or someone you know to take a vaccine like they�re doing with Merck�s Gardasil in Texas, which has proven to cause a 44.6% increase in precancerous lesionswhich lead to cancer in sexually active women that have taken Gardasil. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6131036067931846986&hl=en

Both authors of the study, Robert Schechter and Judith K. Grether are from the California department of public health, the same department that carried out a massive eugenics program on the population of California through most of the last century. In the 1930s, many eugenics supporters cheered the policies in Germany. "Why Hitler Says: 'Sterilize the Unfit!' " ran a headline in a 1935 issue of The Times' magazine. "Here, perhaps, is an aspect of the new Germany that America, with the rest of the world, can little afford to criticise." California, especially couldn�t afford to criticize, as it forcibly sterilized more than all other states combined, all the way through 1969 and it remained �legal� for 10 years after that. 20,000 were admitted forcibly sterilized by the state, and that number doesn�t include all of the criminals, inmates, promiscuous women, or immigrants. The same eugenics department that ran that operation is now telling you that its perfectly safe to take routine childhood vaccines with 87 times safe levels of mercury (or without) and that it isn�t causing autism.

Listen to the original author of the California report in his own words; Dr. Robert Schechter said in an interview after their study was released, �I believe this study adds to the reassurance to the general safety of routine childhood vaccines, whether in the time that they contained thimerosal, or now in the time they almost entirely do not contain thimerosal; that the benefits of routine childhood immunization are immediate, are tangible, direct, immediate, and that routine childhood vaccines are safe and this adds to a large body of evidence to those conclusions.�

With that damning quote, do you believe that Robert Schechter would take up Jock Doubleday on his $115,000 offer to publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additives ingredients in the same amount as a six-year-old child is recommended to receive? I can guarantee you he won�t, as he most certainly wouldn�t get any of the same toxic waste in his body that he is proclaiming is perfectly safe for you and your children. Whenever you have to make the decision on whether to vaccinate your child or not, don�t forget the hollow words of Bertrand Russell, who advocated the use of vaccines to induce partial chemical lobotomies and create a servile zombie population,

"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible." - Bertrand Russell, �The Impact of Science on Society�, 1953, pg 49-50

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=5231

jidar
09-16-2008, 04:27 PM
Just tell me, how the hell do you explain that:

http://www.autismvox.com/thimerasol-exposure-declines-autism-rates-increase/


You tinfoil hat bastards got what you wanted, they took the thimerasol out, and the autism rates are still growing.

How do you explain it then? Just how in the hell, when you guys swore doing this would prevent autism despite all the evidence, do you pretend to still know what you're talking about?

"Oh man, I have a friend who... blah blah blah"

I know, tell me more anecdotal evidence mcfly.

jidar
09-16-2008, 04:29 PM
Who do they think they�re fooling?

By Gibbwake


OOHHH.. I see. so now the government is putting it in there anyway behind everyones back!
Yeah... and Bush authorized the planes on 9/11

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 04:33 PM
The head of the CDC even said the information was USELESS



Another example of this problem, and perhaps the most important of them all, is the CDC population study conducted in the United States on the role of thimerosal exposure in the development of Autism and other developmental disorders.

Of primary concern, the CDC should have never been allowed to conduct this study in the first place. In perhaps the first instance of its kind, the CDC was investigating a health outcome that they may have caused.

People accused of a crime do not have the luxury of investigating themselves to find out if indeed they are guilty. From the get-go, ethical and responsible researchers should have identified this conflict and given the task to someone on the outside. They did not.

Even after being redone 4 times before publication, noting the correlation “just won’t go away”, the study could still only report finding a “neutral” association between the two.

This neutral association was present in spite of the fact that a child’s cumulative exposure to thimerosal was not accurately tabulated. Flu shots, Rhogam shots given to their mothers while pregnant, and other thimerosal containing vaccines were eliminated from being used to tabulate their total exposure. (Which is odd, isn’t it? If you want to see if it’s having an effect, why not include all of it?)

And now, the original data sets have been lost, destroyed (both punishable as a Federal crime) or stored in off-shore accounts where they cannot be accessed for replication.

Interestingly, Dr. Julie Gerberding, Head of the CDC, recently declared the study “useless” and not helpful in ruling out an association between the two.

Provided this study was a large part of the Institute of Medicine’s 2004 ruling that thimerosal did not play a causal role in the development of Autism, and no longer warranted further study, it is fair to say that their ruling no longer stands. A “useless” study can certainly not support such a position.

The list of examples I could site with this kind of methodology flaw used to exonerate vaccines or their components goes on and on. In fact, there is not one study in your compilation that isn’t subject to this scrutiny, including the recently released study on the MMR.

tiptap
09-16-2008, 04:35 PM
Mercury is pretty easy to detect by Atomic Absorption methods. Where is the smoking gun. Use Emission Method and drop the detection limit multifold. We use to do Mercury detection from fish in lakes. I don't think it would cost anyone over 100 dollars to ask some one to determine if Mercury was present. So pick up the samples that you think still have Mercury and prove that there is still Mercury present. At least on the level of Salmon or such.

jidar
09-16-2008, 04:41 PM
The head of the CDC even said the information was USELESS



Another example of this problem, and perhaps the most important of them all, is the CDC population study conducted in the United States on the role of thimerosal exposure in the development of Autism and other developmental disorders.

Of primary concern, the CDC should have never been allowed to conduct this study in the first place. In perhaps the first instance of its kind, the CDC was investigating a health outcome that they may have caused.

People accused of a crime do not have the luxury of investigating themselves to find out if indeed they are guilty. From the get-go, ethical and responsible researchers should have identified this conflict and given the task to someone on the outside. They did not.

Even after being redone 4 times before publication, noting the correlation “just won’t go away”, the study could still only report finding a “neutral” association between the two.

This neutral association was present in spite of the fact that a child’s cumulative exposure to thimerosal was not accurately tabulated. Flu shots, Rhogam shots given to their mothers while pregnant, and other thimerosal containing vaccines were eliminated from being used to tabulate their total exposure. (Which is odd, isn’t it? If you want to see if it’s having an effect, why not include all of it?)

And now, the original data sets have been lost, destroyed (both punishable as a Federal crime) or stored in off-shore accounts where they cannot be accessed for replication.

Interestingly, Dr. Julie Gerberding, Head of the CDC, recently declared the study “useless” and not helpful in ruling out an association between the two.

Provided this study was a large part of the Institute of Medicine’s 2004 ruling that thimerosal did not play a causal role in the development of Autism, and no longer warranted further study, it is fair to say that their ruling no longer stands. A “useless” study can certainly not support such a position.

The list of examples I could site with this kind of methodology flaw used to exonerate vaccines or their components goes on and on. In fact, there is not one study in your compilation that isn’t subject to this scrutiny, including the recently released study on the MMR.

so.. one 2004 study is useless huh?

Donger
09-16-2008, 04:44 PM
Second-class citizens. Lovely.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2008, 04:46 PM
Bush To Veto Ban On Mercury In Vaccines
Clear links to neurological disorders ignored, removed from animal vaccines but fine for babies

By: Steve Watson

President Bush is to veto a bill that would ban mercury in flu vaccines for children despite its known links to autism and other neurological disorders and despite the fact that he pledged in 2004 to support such a move when campaigning for re-election.

The White House stated on Tuesday that President Bush would veto the FY 2008 HHS-Labor-Education Appropriations Bill because of the cost and "objectionable provisions" such as a measure to ban the use of childhood flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, a press release from Autism advocacy group Safe Minds on the PRNewswire-USNewswire states.

Bush is calling for an amendment that would remove the children's safety provision from the bill.

Safe Minds warns:
"Under the current administration, mercury has been and will continue to be knowingly injected into the youngest of American citizens. The controversial mercury-containing preservative thimerosal has been linked by thousands of parents as being the cause of their children's mercury poisoning and autism."

The flu vaccine, which continues to be manufactured with mercury, is recommended for all pregnant women, infants and children despite the fact that the Institute of Medicine in 2001 recommended against the policy of
exposing these same sensitive groups to thimerosal containing vaccines.
Mercury is the second most toxic metal known to man behind Uranium. Thimerosal is used in vaccines not because it is good for you, but purely because it prevents vaccine contamination. Yet some have questioned why thimerosal is even considered for vaccines because there are obviously safer alternatives to preventing contamination. Questions also remain about how pharmaceutical companies conduct vaccine research and how the government regulates those companies.

During Bush's reelection campaign in 2004 he stated:
"I support the removal of Thimerosal from vaccines on the childhood national vaccine schedule. During a second term as President, I will continue to support increased funding to support a wide variety of research initiatives aimed at seeking definitive causes and/or triggers of autism. It is important to note that while there are many possible theories about causes or triggers of autism, no one material has been definitely included or excluded."

Despite this he now plans to veto a bill that would remove Thimerosal because of "costs". What costs would these be? Do the costs of big pharmaceutical companies and fat government kickbacks outweigh the costs of the healthy brains of every child in America? Seemingly so.

Furthermore, though Bush stated that the evidence for links between mercury laden vaccines and autism are not concrete, there are scores of studies and testimony from credible figures asserting the exact opposite.
Starting in the early nineties, government regulators dramatically increased the amount of Thimerosal exposure to babies by adding two new vaccines to the roster of mandatory immunizations children must have before enrolling in school. The combination of the Hepatitis B vaccine and the HiB vaccine more than doubled the amount of mercury children.

Mercury expert Dr. Boyd Haley of the University of Kentucky has testified before Congress and the Pentagon as well as the FDA as one of the nation's leading experts on Thimerosal and mercury poisoning, revealing that his research leads him to believe that some children are genetically predisposed to storing mercury in their brains, leading to neurological disorders, including autism.

The combination of the Hepatitis B vaccine and the HiB vaccine more than doubled the amount of mercury children in the 90s. "If you take a ten-pound baby in, and it gets four shots on that one day, which is a common practice - that's equivalent to giving a 100-pound person forty shots in one day," said Haley.

Haley has also proposed that Thimerosal in infant vaccines was also the most likely toxic agent involved in Gulf War syndrome and autistic spectrum disorders. Think about this, they are injecting into babies something that is breaking down the bodies of full grown combat veterans.

While the FDA questioned thimerosal's safety in the 80s, noting that it was "not safe for 'over-the-counter' topical use because of its potential for cell damage", and while it was removed from animal vaccines for the same reason, the government regulatory committees did nothing to question its use in childhood vaccines.

It's too dangerous for cats and dogs but the government is happy for our babies to be pumped full of the stuff on a regular basis.

Dr Haley has also pointed out that it is also well known by any good biochemist that thimerosal and aluminum react dangerously when combined together. Given that Aluminum is a compound added to many vaccines as a catalyst you would think the government would have heeded this warning, yet it has still done nothing.

Despite the continued reports doubting the link between Thimerosal and autism, more studies have continued to verify the link. As reported in the Capitol Times recently:

A study done at the University of Washington in 2006 showed that baby primates exposed to injected thimerosal (50 percent mercury), at a rate equal to the 1990s childhood vaccine schedule, retained twice as much inorganic mercury in their brains as primates exposed to equal amounts of ingested methylmercury. We know from autometallographic determination that inorganic mercury present in the brain, following the dealkylation of organic mercury, is the toxic agent responsible for changes in the microglial population and leads to neuroinflammation.

In other words thimerosal, inorganic mercury, leads to neuroinflammatory disease which is proven to be the underlying medical condition of autism.
Furthermore In a study done at the University of Arkansas last year, autistic children were found to have significantly lower levels of the antioxidant glutathione. Glutathione is the major antioxidant needed for the elimination of mercury at the cellular level.

Moreover, Professor Philippe Grandjean, from Harvard University and the University of Southern Denmark, considered the foremost scientific authority on the development of children's brains, has recently claimed that the average human IQ is plummeting primarily due to IQ points in the population being chemically destroyed via low level mercury exposure in children.

The links between the ingestion of mercury and neurological breakdown are clear and proven. Professors all over the world are telling us outright that it is literally destroying people's brains. Even if you choose to believe, in the face of all the evidence, that the links are still somewhat questionable, the solution is still obvious. GET IT OUT OF THE VACCINES NOW.

Safe Minds also point out that according to the EPA, one in every six women of childbearing age already has blood levels of mercury high enough to cause neurological damage to their unborn children due to environmental exposures alone.

"Injecting even more mercury into the bodies of pregnant women, infants and children when it is not a necessary component of vaccines is just bad medicine," said Lyn Redwood, president of Safe Minds and parent of a mercury-injured child. "It defies logic that a flu vaccine must be disposed of as a hazardous waste if it is not used, but somehow injecting the same mercury-containing vaccine into a baby is safe."

Yes it defies logic to someone who believes in the unabated progression of the entirety of the human race, however, to an elite devoid of all morality and interested only in the endgame pursuit of their own biological, spiritual and financial monopoly over the whole planet, it makes perfect sense.

http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Bush%20To%20Veto%20Ban%20On%20Mercury%20In%20Vaccines.asp

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 04:50 PM
This weekend we went to the NICU party at Stanford. We were talking to the head of the NICU when I mentioned that Travis has only had one small cold at 14 months. The other parents looked at me kind of like in disbelief and said that's great. One of the other parents said basically the same thing for their child. I said I thought not getting vaccinations played a big part in that. The mom of the other child just smiled and said she had not got vaccinations either. This caused a real uncomfortable moment for the doctor who said they must not have went to child care. The other parents had had significantly more issues with their child getting sick. Travis is also speaking much better than any other kid close to his age who was out there. THat made me a pretty proud dad.

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 04:53 PM
Bush To Veto Ban On Mercury In Vaccines
Clear links to neurological disorders ignored, removed from animal vaccines but fine for babies

By: Steve Watson

President Bush is to veto a bill that would ban mercury in flu vaccines for children despite its known links to autism and other neurological disorders and despite the fact that he pledged in 2004 to support such a move when campaigning for re-election.

The White House stated on Tuesday that President Bush would veto the FY 2008 HHS-Labor-Education Appropriations Bill because of the cost and "objectionable provisions" such as a measure to ban the use of childhood flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, a press release from Autism advocacy group Safe Minds on the PRNewswire-USNewswire states.

Bush is calling for an amendment that would remove the children's safety provision from the bill.

Safe Minds warns:
"Under the current administration, mercury has been and will continue to be knowingly injected into the youngest of American citizens. The controversial mercury-containing preservative thimerosal has been linked by thousands of parents as being the cause of their children's mercury poisoning and autism."

The flu vaccine, which continues to be manufactured with mercury, is recommended for all pregnant women, infants and children despite the fact that the Institute of Medicine in 2001 recommended against the policy of
exposing these same sensitive groups to thimerosal containing vaccines.
Mercury is the second most toxic metal known to man behind Uranium. Thimerosal is used in vaccines not because it is good for you, but purely because it prevents vaccine contamination. Yet some have questioned why thimerosal is even considered for vaccines because there are obviously safer alternatives to preventing contamination. Questions also remain about how pharmaceutical companies conduct vaccine research and how the government regulates those companies.

During Bush's reelection campaign in 2004 he stated:
"I support the removal of Thimerosal from vaccines on the childhood national vaccine schedule. During a second term as President, I will continue to support increased funding to support a wide variety of research initiatives aimed at seeking definitive causes and/or triggers of autism. It is important to note that while there are many possible theories about causes or triggers of autism, no one material has been definitely included or excluded."

Despite this he now plans to veto a bill that would remove Thimerosal because of "costs". What costs would these be? Do the costs of big pharmaceutical companies and fat government kickbacks outweigh the costs of the healthy brains of every child in America? Seemingly so.

Furthermore, though Bush stated that the evidence for links between mercury laden vaccines and autism are not concrete, there are scores of studies and testimony from credible figures asserting the exact opposite.
Starting in the early nineties, government regulators dramatically increased the amount of Thimerosal exposure to babies by adding two new vaccines to the roster of mandatory immunizations children must have before enrolling in school. The combination of the Hepatitis B vaccine and the HiB vaccine more than doubled the amount of mercury children.

Mercury expert Dr. Boyd Haley of the University of Kentucky has testified before Congress and the Pentagon as well as the FDA as one of the nation's leading experts on Thimerosal and mercury poisoning, revealing that his research leads him to believe that some children are genetically predisposed to storing mercury in their brains, leading to neurological disorders, including autism.

The combination of the Hepatitis B vaccine and the HiB vaccine more than doubled the amount of mercury children in the 90s. "If you take a ten-pound baby in, and it gets four shots on that one day, which is a common practice - that's equivalent to giving a 100-pound person forty shots in one day," said Haley.

Haley has also proposed that Thimerosal in infant vaccines was also the most likely toxic agent involved in Gulf War syndrome and autistic spectrum disorders. Think about this, they are injecting into babies something that is breaking down the bodies of full grown combat veterans.

While the FDA questioned thimerosal's safety in the 80s, noting that it was "not safe for 'over-the-counter' topical use because of its potential for cell damage", and while it was removed from animal vaccines for the same reason, the government regulatory committees did nothing to question its use in childhood vaccines.

It's too dangerous for cats and dogs but the government is happy for our babies to be pumped full of the stuff on a regular basis.

Dr Haley has also pointed out that it is also well known by any good biochemist that thimerosal and aluminum react dangerously when combined together. Given that Aluminum is a compound added to many vaccines as a catalyst you would think the government would have heeded this warning, yet it has still done nothing.

Despite the continued reports doubting the link between Thimerosal and autism, more studies have continued to verify the link. As reported in the Capitol Times recently:

A study done at the University of Washington in 2006 showed that baby primates exposed to injected thimerosal (50 percent mercury), at a rate equal to the 1990s childhood vaccine schedule, retained twice as much inorganic mercury in their brains as primates exposed to equal amounts of ingested methylmercury. We know from autometallographic determination that inorganic mercury present in the brain, following the dealkylation of organic mercury, is the toxic agent responsible for changes in the microglial population and leads to neuroinflammation.

In other words thimerosal, inorganic mercury, leads to neuroinflammatory disease which is proven to be the underlying medical condition of autism.
Furthermore In a study done at the University of Arkansas last year, autistic children were found to have significantly lower levels of the antioxidant glutathione. Glutathione is the major antioxidant needed for the elimination of mercury at the cellular level.

Moreover, Professor Philippe Grandjean, from Harvard University and the University of Southern Denmark, considered the foremost scientific authority on the development of children's brains, has recently claimed that the average human IQ is plummeting primarily due to IQ points in the population being chemically destroyed via low level mercury exposure in children.

The links between the ingestion of mercury and neurological breakdown are clear and proven. Professors all over the world are telling us outright that it is literally destroying people's brains. Even if you choose to believe, in the face of all the evidence, that the links are still somewhat questionable, the solution is still obvious. GET IT OUT OF THE VACCINES NOW.

Safe Minds also point out that according to the EPA, one in every six women of childbearing age already has blood levels of mercury high enough to cause neurological damage to their unborn children due to environmental exposures alone.

"Injecting even more mercury into the bodies of pregnant women, infants and children when it is not a necessary component of vaccines is just bad medicine," said Lyn Redwood, president of Safe Minds and parent of a mercury-injured child. "It defies logic that a flu vaccine must be disposed of as a hazardous waste if it is not used, but somehow injecting the same mercury-containing vaccine into a baby is safe."

Yes it defies logic to someone who believes in the unabated progression of the entirety of the human race, however, to an elite devoid of all morality and interested only in the endgame pursuit of their own biological, spiritual and financial monopoly over the whole planet, it makes perfect sense.

http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Bush%20To%20Veto%20Ban%20On%20Mercury%20In%20Vaccines.asp

Thanks for sharing

KILLER_CLOWN
09-16-2008, 04:55 PM
Thanks for sharing

Thanks for the link to Mccains position, although it remains to be seen if he will follow through on his promises.

jidar
09-16-2008, 04:58 PM
Thanks for the link to Mccains position, although it remains to be seen if he will follow through on his promises.

Promises of what? What do you want done? It's been removed, it should all be fine now.


oh shit... wait... autism is still going up.
They're probably still putting that stuff in there since there is no other possible explanation for autism.

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 05:01 PM
Thanks for the link to Mccains position, although it remains to be seen if he will follow through on his promises.

That 2004 study was the flagship for defending mercury and I think the most damning statement was:

Even after being redone 4 times before publication, noting the correlation “just won’t go away”, the study could still only report finding a “neutral” association between the two.

tiptap
09-16-2008, 05:13 PM
This weekend we went to the NICU party at Stanford. We were talking to the head of the NICU when I mentioned that Travis has only had one small cold at 14 months. The other parents looked at me kind of like in disbelief and said that's great. One of the other parents said basically the same thing for their child. I said I thought not getting vaccinations played a big part in that. The mom of the other child just smiled and said she had not got vaccinations either. This caused a real uncomfortable moment for the doctor who said they must not have went to child care. The other parents had had significantly more issues with their child getting sick. Travis is also speaking much better than any other kid close to his age who was out there. THat made me a pretty proud dad.

Ok, don't go here. This population of infants will have significant problems that are more a result of prematurity than ANY other factor.

tiptap
09-16-2008, 05:18 PM
That 2004 study was the flagship for defending mercury and I think the most damning statement was:

Even after being redone 4 times before publication, noting the correlation “just won’t go away”, the study could still only report finding a “neutral” association between the two.

A neutral correlation IS a null result. If there is correlation it would be positive or negative. Negative would mean it "PREVENTS" autism. A positive it "causes" autism. Neutral means it doesn't correlate.

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 05:23 PM
Ok, don't go here. This population of infants will have significant problems that are more a result of prematurity than ANY other factor.

They are also the most vulnerable. His speech is WAY ahead of schedule for normal kids too. He was only 3 pounds when he was born.

tiptap
09-16-2008, 05:29 PM
Can I give my personal story. How about my Grandfather and Grandmother having to go to the Deaf School in Alabama because . . . infectious disease. They weren't born deaf. Why are you forgoing altogether vaccinations when mercury has been addressed.

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 05:29 PM
A neutral correlation IS a null result. If there is correlation it would be positive or negative. Negative would mean it "PREVENTS" autism. A positive it "causes" autism. Neutral means it doesn't correlate.

You can't investigate yourself. AS much as they tried they couldn't explain away the correlation.

All you have to do is meet some people who have had a perfectly healthy kid and then taken them in for a vaccine causing an immediate life changing reaction to believe.

They did a study out here in California that I posted about 18 months ago. They expected to see the poorest people not getting vaccines and it turned out to be the other way around. The most educated people after doing their due diligence are not vaccinating. If Obama has it his way everyone will get shot up like a MO.

jidar
09-16-2008, 05:29 PM
Can I give my personal story. How about my Grandfather and Grandmother having to go to the Deaf School in Alabama because . . . infectious disease. They weren't born deaf. Why are you forgoing altogether vaccinations when mercury has been addressed.

He's a paranoid. He thinks "big pharm" is out to get us all.

tiptap
09-16-2008, 05:33 PM
Did you read what I said. A neutral finding is the strongest non correlation finding. That's what it means. There is no finding. You can't prove the null finding in a correlation only that there is no correlation.

BIG_DADDY
09-16-2008, 05:33 PM
Can I give my personal story. How about my Grandfather and Grandmother having to go to the Deaf School in Alabama because . . . infectious disease. They weren't born deaf. Why are you forgoing altogether vaccinations when mercury has been addressed.

I am not absolutely convinced that there is a link between mercury and autism. I am convinced that there is a link between this massive vaccination schedule they have these kids on these days and health issues. Toxins are toxins and these vaccines are loaded with them. If you see children who do not get vaccines what you will discover is they get sick far less than the other kids. Their immunity system is much stronger.

jidar
09-16-2008, 05:34 PM
If you see children who do not get vaccines what you will discover is they get sick far less than the other kids.

That is completely anecdotal, and simply not true.

tiptap
09-16-2008, 05:44 PM
I am not absolutely convinced that there is a link between mercury and autism. I am convinced that there is a link between this massive vaccination schedule they have these kids on these days and health issues. Toxins are toxins and these vaccines are loaded with them. If you see children who do not get vaccines what you will discover is they get sick far less than the other kids. Their immunity system is much stronger.

One could make the case that modern settings don't exercise the immune system enough. Humans use to be exposed to all kinds of antigens from all kinds of animals and plants pre industrial. Now our immune system, evolutionarily derived to confront that huge exposure, doesn't get enough "practice" in a more sterile urban setting. Increase in asthma and allergies (hey maybe even autism) can be attributed to the lack of exposure to exercise the immune system.