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Direckshun
09-16-2008, 11:15 PM
There has been a swirling controversy over whether Sarah Palin tried to ban books from public libraries in her time in Alaska. In my personal research of the issue, I've found nothing that supports that she tried to ban books, but she did ask local librarians what would happen if she wanted to. Palin had the issue raised by locals who wanted books off the shelves, and Palin explored the issue, more or less.

So that particular charge against Palin is false. But it does raise an interesting, related question.

Does anybody here believe it is appropriate for the government to ever ban books from public libraries?

I mean, it's obviously a dumb idea on its face, right? Not just legally, but constitutionally? If asked, would you feel the need to """explore the issue""", or is it so freakin' obvious to you that you could look at those locals in the face and say "it is not the place of the head executive to dictate to libraries what they should and should not have on their shelves"?

It just seems to me that any thinking government official wouldn't even entertain the idea.

Now, explaining that "she was just doing it to pacify the complainers" baselessly gives her the benefit of the doubt, just like claiming "she wants to ban books" is taking the benefit of the doubt away. Do so at your peril.

But the exchange of free ideas, and the role of libraries in presenting those ideas, is such a valuable aspect of a free society that isn't it bizarre Palin would even dare walk down that path, instead of understanding the basic structure of American freedom to reject the idea on its face?

What say ye, DC?

irishjayhawk
09-16-2008, 11:18 PM
I do love when it's okay to ask about banning books but not okay to actually do it. I'm glad people are given that much leeway.

Well, I only ASKED about it...

Direckshun
09-16-2008, 11:21 PM
I do love when it's okay to ask about banning books but not okay to actually do it. I'm glad people are given that much leeway.

Well, I only ASKED about it...

Right.

I mean, just the idea that she had to ask the librarians what would have to happen.

I understand she didn't try to ban any books. That accusation is false.

But it's troubling that she'd even entertain the possibility. That shows a profound misunderstanding of this country's freedom of thought.

irishjayhawk
09-16-2008, 11:24 PM
Right.

I mean, just the idea that she had to ask the librarians what would have to happen.

I understand she didn't try to ban any books. That accusation is false.

But it's troubling that she'd even entertain the possibility. That shows a profound misunderstanding of this country's freedom of thought.

Yep. No one who even thinks of banning books should be sniffing the Presidency.

Jenson71
09-16-2008, 11:26 PM
A casual inquiry over the reprecussions of banning books as an inexperienced, young mayor is legitimate. It's possible that a person grew up in a strict household or community where that would be seen as not being a problem. The librarian handled it perfectly by emphatically declaring that she would not support that.

If Palin repeatedly asked the library about banning certain books, and even threatened to fire the librarian because of her defense of not banning books (which has not been proved, only speculated) then it is also reasonable to be cautious of what her views will be when it comes to the power of the executive branch and how much she values certain rights.

That's my opinion.

Direckshun
09-16-2008, 11:33 PM
A casual inquiry over the reprecussions of banning books as an inexperienced, young mayor is legitimate. It's possible that a person grew up in a strict household or community where that would be seen as not being a problem. The librarian handled it perfectly by emphatically declaring that she would not support that.

If Palin repeatedly asked the library about banning certain books, and even threatened to fire the librarian because of her defense of not banning books (which has not been proved, only speculated) then it is also reasonable to be cautious of what her views will be when it comes to the power of the executive branch and how much she values certain rights.

That's my opinion.

I think that's a fair take, but I do think it makes a very curious argument:

That as an adult public official nearing her 40s, Palin (a journalism major) was so unsure of freedom of expression's importance in American society that she'd entertain banning books from the library.

Now, it's possible to swallow that perspective (like it seems you have), and believe that she's prepared now or soon to be President (which you may or may not), but that requires that she have been on one of the most intense learning curves to have ever occurred in the public sphere.

I'm not saying that's impossible, but from where I sit, calling it "unlikely" is an understatement.

BigCatDaddy
09-17-2008, 07:40 AM
It depends on the books.

My personal throw them if the fire list would include the likes of

"How to Make Meth"
"How to Blow Up A World Trade Center"
"Lynching Made Easy"

Just to name a few.

triple
09-17-2008, 07:58 AM
this whole thing started as an email forward. it said she tried to ban a certain list of books, which is false, in fact many of these such as Harry Potter were not even published at the time of the supposed attempt.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp


i guess the idea is to throw 500 stupid rumors or lies against the wall and at least one will have to stick in a few voters' minds

RJ
09-17-2008, 08:15 AM
Yep. No one who even thinks of banning books should be sniffing the Presidency.



I agree wholeheartedly.

RJ
09-17-2008, 08:16 AM
this whole thing started as an email forward. it said she tried to ban a certain list of books, which is false, in fact many of these such as Harry Potter were not even published at the time of the supposed attempt.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp


i guess the idea is to throw 500 stupid rumors or lies against the wall and at least one will have to stick in a few voters' minds



muslim

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 08:48 AM
this whole thing started as an email forward. it said she tried to ban a certain list of books, which is false, in fact many of these such as Harry Potter were not even published at the time of the supposed attempt.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp


i guess the idea is to throw 500 stupid rumors or lies against the wall and at least one will have to stick in a few voters' minds

No, the exaggeration started in an email forward. She did actually ask about banning books.

Sully
09-17-2008, 08:51 AM
I wish someone would have banned those damn Ramona Quimby books I read as a youngster. Everytime I see a girl with blonde curls, I want to pull them and yell, "Boing!" That shit just stuck with me. It's horrible.


(please someone get the reference...please someone get the reference)

***SPRAYER
09-17-2008, 08:53 AM
More BS.

ChiTown
09-17-2008, 08:53 AM
I wish someone would have banned those damn Ramona Quimby books I read as a youngster. Everytime I see a girl with blonde curls, I want to pull them and yell, "Boing!" That shit just stuck with me. It's horrible.


(please someone get the reference...please someone get the reference)

I take it you're gay?

;)

Sully
09-17-2008, 08:55 AM
I take it you're gay?

;)

Jeez, I hope not. if so, I've wasted hours looking at the wrong porn.

ChiTown
09-17-2008, 08:59 AM
Jeez, I hope not. if so, I've wasted hours looking at the wrong porn.

Hours? Pft, that's nothing...............

Sully
09-17-2008, 09:00 AM
Hours? Pft, that's nothing...............

Yeah... admittedly that was a bit of an understatement.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2008, 09:00 AM
I do love when it's okay to ask about banning books but not okay to actually do it. I'm glad people are given that much leeway.

Well, I only ASKED about it...

But that's where the left mis-played the issue -- they didn't need to expand upon it and make it into something more than it was in the first place. By doing so they neutralized their original point.

Regarding the question I would think that a majority would feel it's okay to ban instruction manuals on how to build biological or other weapons that could aid someone with nefarious intent from making something that could kill thousands of people. I don't know that it would help a whole lot given that you can readily find such information on the Internet, but I doubt it would bother many. I also think most libraries already censor/ban explicit books on sex and porn anyway.

patteeu
09-17-2008, 09:14 AM
I need more details before I can give a thoughtful answer to this question. What kind of library was this? What kind of inquiry did Palin make? Did she have specific books in mind or was this a general question?

Like it or not, people make decisions on which books to include in a library and which ones to exclude all the time. While I don't think it's normal for a mayor to be too involved in this decision process, I don't think it automatically makes her anti-freedom.

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 09:17 AM
I need more details before I can give a thoughtful answer to this question. What kind of library was this? What kind of inquiry did Palin make? Did she have specific books in mind or was this a general question?

Like it or not, people make decisions on which books to include in a library and which ones to exclude all the time. While I don't think it's normal for a mayor to be too involved in this decision process, I don't think it automatically makes her anti-freedom.

Well, it's not hard to connect the dots to anti-freedom, with all the baggage she carries. Especially with respect to her creationism. Interestingly, apparently eyewitnesses have asked her about her creationism and she told them yes to the 7000 years ago question. I'll have to find where I read it.

ChiTown
09-17-2008, 09:17 AM
I need more details before I can give a thoughtful answer to this question. What kind of library was this? What kind of inquiry did Palin make? Did she have specific books in mind or was this a general question?

Like it or not, people make decisions on which books to include in a library and which ones to exclude all the time. While I don't think it's normal for a mayor to be too involved in this decision process, I don't think it automatically makes her anti-freedom.

Sarah Palin = Anti-Christ (with lipstick).

It's true, I read it here on ChiefsPalinet

Cannibal
09-17-2008, 11:58 AM
Jeez, I hope not. if so, I've wasted hours looking at the wrong porn.

ROFL Nice.

Direckshun
09-17-2008, 12:46 PM
I need more details before I can give a thoughtful answer to this question. What kind of library was this? What kind of inquiry did Palin make? Did she have specific books in mind or was this a general question?

Like it or not, people make decisions on which books to include in a library and which ones to exclude all the time. While I don't think it's normal for a mayor to be too involved in this decision process, I don't think it automatically makes her anti-freedom.

I think this is a fair take, and to answer your questions: (1.) it was your typical small town public library, (2.) Palin's inquiry, by all accounts, was simple and to the point (along the lines of "what would happen should I want to take select books off the shelves") and she was rebuffed immediately, and (3.) the books she had in mind were ones that her constituents had complained about, but I don't know what books they were.

I don't think this makes her automatically anti-freedom either, that's the same baseless leap of logic as "bah she was just trying to appease her constituents."

But the idea that a nearly-40 public official with a BS in journalism wouldn't know whether or not it was appropriate for an executive head to demand removal of books from a library... it's shocking, especially since that executive head, just a few years later, ended up running for the Presidency.

bkkcoh
09-17-2008, 02:48 PM
but yet, some people in congress wants the fairness doctrine!

Adept Havelock
09-17-2008, 04:05 PM
I wish someone would have banned those damn Ramona Quimby books I read as a youngster. Everytime I see a girl with blonde curls, I want to pull them and yell, "Boing!" That shit just stuck with me. It's horrible.


(please someone get the reference...please someone get the reference)

It wasn't as difficult as being disappointed that I never won a prize for tasting dog food.

Henry Huggins > Ramona Quimby.

Or was that Otis Spofford?


BTW- anyone calling for the banning of books is an absolute moron. Not allowing the Kama Sutra to be checked out by the schoolkids is fine. Saying you can't carry the Kama Sutra is inane.

patteeu
09-17-2008, 05:08 PM
I think this is a fair take, and to answer your questions: (1.) it was your typical small town public library, (2.) Palin's inquiry, by all accounts, was simple and to the point (along the lines of "what would happen should I want to take select books off the shelves") and she was rebuffed immediately, and (3.) the books she had in mind were ones that her constituents had complained about, but I don't know what books they were.

I don't think this makes her automatically anti-freedom either, that's the same baseless leap of logic as "bah she was just trying to appease her constituents."

But the idea that a nearly-40 public official with a BS in journalism wouldn't know whether or not it was appropriate for an executive head to demand removal of books from a library... it's shocking, especially since that executive head, just a few years later, ended up running for the Presidency.

Thanks for the details. I don't see anything wrong with it at all. She asked a question and never even took the first step toward doing anything objectionable. :shrug:

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 05:42 PM
Thanks for the details. I don't see anything wrong with it at all. She asked a question and never even took the first step toward doing anything objectionable. :shrug:

Well, I'll keep in mind that you can ask whatever you want and seek any office.

What would happen if we just disregarded that transaction?

Well, I just ASKED....

HonestChieffan
09-17-2008, 08:35 PM
She tried to ban books that were not even published yet? Amazing.

RJ
09-17-2008, 08:44 PM
Ok, so I'm trying to keep score here.

It appears that the more liberal among us think that it's wrong that Palin asked about banning books. The more conservative among us feel it was ok.

Is that about right?

HonestChieffan
09-17-2008, 08:48 PM
No. There seems to be no evidence that she ever even attempted such a thing. More made up BS by a paniced Obama group.

RJ
09-17-2008, 08:50 PM
No. There seems to be no evidence that she ever even attempted such a thing. More made up BS by a paniced Obama group.


So it's all a hoax? She never actually inquired?

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 09:12 PM
So it's all a hoax? She never actually inquired?

She definitely inquired. She didn't act on said inquiry.


For me, that's enough.

HonestChieffan
09-17-2008, 09:36 PM
To whom did she inquire?

RJ
09-17-2008, 09:41 PM
To whom did she inquire?


I don't know. But if she did, would you see it as an issue?

HonestChieffan
09-17-2008, 09:44 PM
I would be surprised perhaps disappointed but not alarmed enough to go running off half cocked.

RJ
09-17-2008, 09:45 PM
What is the point of following politics if you don't go running off half cocked?

You might just as well stay home.

HonestChieffan
09-17-2008, 09:46 PM
On this board certainly seems the case.

HonestChieffan
09-17-2008, 09:49 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/media_cooking_the_books_on_pal.html


September 15, 2008
Media Cooking the Books on Palin
By Cecil Turner
ANCHORAGE -- The breathless accounts of Mayor Palin banning books in Wasilla are based on disputed versions of two meetings, and almost certainly overblown. There was a discussion over the library policy at the time, but it was not public and may well have been a perfectly proper inquiry into procedures for handling complaints. Other supposed witnesses to the event are not credible, and there is readily available evidence supporting Ms. Palin's version which is not being reported.


First, some background:

Sarah Palin began her political career when she was elected to the Wasilla City Council in October, 1992, as a "progressive" supporter of Mayor John Stein and his proposals to implement a sales tax and fund a city police department. The local semi-weekly Frontiersman supported their efforts.


In December, 1993, a book challenge at the Big Lake library made front page news in the Frontiersman. Mat-Su Library Board member Shelley Ax filed a complaint over Maurice Sendak's In the Night Kitchen:


Ax said she did not want the book, which has won literary awards and is considered a classic, banned from the library, but taken from the library's easy reader section or identified as a book which contains nudity. [. . .]

"I feel that is a little bit too much," said Ax, who was shown the book by her youngest daughter. "'Mom, look there is nude boy in here,' . . .


The complaint had been filed in October, and a library panel of six members had unanimously agreed the book should neither be labeled nor removed from the easy reader section. However, the challenge highlighted the need for a formal process, and participation by the Library Board (whose vice-chair's complaint had been unanimously rejected). That may have been an issue for Councilwoman Palin -- for whom government accountability is a recurring theme -- but nothing she had to say about it is preserved for posterity, though later statements agree she was aware of the incident.


Three years later there was a contentious election for mayor in Wasilla. Mayor Stein still had loyal supporters, but there had been discussions of term limits and questions about his vision for growth, and an effort to replace him with a city manager that had been defeated the year before. Ms. Palin decided to run for Mayor, citing the disputes over the direction of the city's future expansion and responsiveness of government. In a response to a Frontiersman candidates forum, she listed "indifference" as the first issue the city faced, and cited city hall's "complacency" and "stale leadership" throughout local government. The five city department heads wrote a letter to the editor in response, supporting Mayor Stein and redirecting criticism back at Ms. Palin. City voters apparently agreed with Palin, electing her to the office of Mayor on October 1, 1996.


Upon taking office, Mayor Palin requested letters of resignation from all five department heads (who, per municipal code, served at the pleasure of the mayor... and in fact at one time the code had required a new mayor to replace them), and said she would decide which to keep. Police Chief Stambaugh claimed a special case, because he had a contract signed with the previous Mayor stating he could only be fired for cause. Mayor Palin fired him anyway (his subsequent lawsuit was thrown out, the federal judge ruling Palin's interpretation correct), and fired but rehired the Librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons.


The first claims of censorship appear in a Frontiersman article written by Paul Stuart in December 1996. In it, Ms. Emmons is quoted in what appears to be unequivocal claims of censorship attempts by Mayor Palin. There is also discussion of the book challenge procedure (and the Big Lake challenge three years prior), but a claim that wasn't what she (Mayor Palin) meant.


However, Mary Ellen Emmons wrote a contemporaneous article in the AK Library Association newsletter (the Newspoke), which doesn't contain the words "censorship" or "book banning" or even anything very close. What it does contain is a discussion about politics:


When Ms. Palin was elected, she met with all the department heads and expressed concern as to whether we would be able to support her administration, given our visible support of the previous mayor. I had occasion to meet Mayor Palin individually. We discussed library operations and my role in her administration. It was a candid and positive meeting, and we agreed to put the campaign behind us and get back to work.


The closest to the censorship discussion is this:


[. . .]I had a chance to field an assortment of questions from Mayor Palin and the Deputy Administrator concerning access to information, materials selection guidelines, and plans for the future.

Most importantly, I was reminded that the hat I wear as Library Director is different from the hat I wear as a citizen. While I may support particular candidates, the neutrality of the library program should never be compromised. The new Mayor and others in the community needed to be reassured that I could manage the library without a personal political agenda.


It's difficult to reconcile these two versions, and made even more problematic by the tone of other stories written in the Frontiersman at the time. The paper had been very supportive of Mayor Stein, and was extremely critical of Mayor Palin, especially during the period in question. Mr. Stuart authored more than one.


Other witness statements are even more problematic. Anne Kilkenny claims to have been present during one of the discussions (at a city council meeting), but that does not match either witness (Palin and Emmons), or explain why there weren't other reports from the council members present (at least one of whom was organizing a mayoral recall effort at the time, and whose silence would've been inexplicable). Howard Bess (a pastor with a regular column in the Frontiersman) claims his book Pastor I am Gay was involved in the discussion. But there's no record of his book ever being challenged (though there were contemporaneous stories of local bookstores declining to carry it after they'd received complaints from unnamed citizens), and no record of Palin ever mentioning it.


This issue is not easily resolved, and made worse by poor news coverage. Mary Emmons's contemporary statement was readily available. The absence of any "book banning" discussion in an explanation to fellow librarians casts serious doubt on the only credible claim of attempted censorship. Various lists of books to be banned are outright fabrications. Many stories contain innuendo that is false or misleading. For example, a recent AP article lends credence to Kilkenny and Bess, and claims no book was challenged "in the 10 years before Palin took office," implying her spokesman was lying. In fact, even the initial Frontiersman article cites the Big Lake branch challenge (though both got the date wrong).


The bottom line is that this is a she-said/she-said with ample motive for shading the truth. Emmons faced dismissal for political reasons that predate the censorship claims, and her later contradictory statements cast her accusations into doubt. Similarly Ms. Palin could not be expected to admit an effort to censor books, had it actually happened, but the fact that she brought it up in an unrelated interview suggests she thought it proper. But in any event, the picture painted of rabid religious conservatives banding together to ban books is clearly not supported. Twelve years on, it's difficult to guess exactly what happened. But absent some new evidence, there's not much "there" there.

Cannibal
09-17-2008, 09:51 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Thinker

RJ
09-17-2008, 09:54 PM
[QUOTE=HonestChieffan;5030547]http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/media_cooking_the_books_on_pal.html


I do not like Sarah Palin. Therefore, I do not like that version of the story. I prefer other versions of the story that paint her in a bad light.

Shall I assume you prefer this one?

HonestChieffan
09-17-2008, 09:55 PM
Careful making assumptions.

Velvet_Jones
09-17-2008, 11:07 PM
She definitely inquired. She didn't act on said inquiry.


For me, that's enough.

Have you ever employed anyone other than a lawnboy? I think not.

I routinely ask questions that test the ethics, thought process, and personal convictions of job candidates. When I read what Palin asked, the first thing I thought of was that she was trying to identify that librarian’s personal boundaries and convictions about a sensitive issue. I think it was a responsible question for any boss to ask. It was a “what if” question.

I’m sure it was an uncomfortable question for the librarian, but not out of line for a boss to ask.

What did you want here to ask her, “what if I talked loud in the library”? This is stupid and if you would sit back and use reason and logic, you would realize that you are being an idiot.

If you have not managed people then you know nothing of what you speak of.

patteeu
09-17-2008, 11:35 PM
Well, I'll keep in mind that you can ask whatever you want and seek any office.

What would happen if we just disregarded that transaction?

Well, I just ASKED....

For me, it depends on what the candidate is asking about. This doesn't bother me. A question like "how long it would take to dismantle our nuclear arsenal" or "can you give me a list of the most liberal judges you know so I can consider them for SCOTUS appointments" would give me pause.

Direckshun
09-18-2008, 02:27 PM
I routinely ask questions that test the ethics, thought process, and personal convictions of job candidates. When I read what Palin asked, the first thing I thought of was that she was trying to identify that librarian’s personal boundaries and convictions about a sensitive issue. I think it was a responsible question for any boss to ask. It was a “what if” question.

You are baselessly giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, you're free to do that, but just be aware that you are.

Programmer
09-18-2008, 04:28 PM
You are baselessly giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, you're free to do that, but just be aware that you are.

What is wrong with the benefit of the doubt?

Are you totally unbiased in your belief of the situation?

Would you ever ask a question like that if the same situation was posed to you?

Mr. Laz
09-18-2008, 05:40 PM
What is wrong with the benefit of the doubt?

Are you totally unbiased in your belief of the situation?

Would you ever ask a question like that if the same situation was posed to you?
except for the fact that you selectively give that benefit of the doubt based on what party a person belongs to.

ROFL


boy ... you're a republican through and through.

full of shiite to the bone

Direckshun
09-18-2008, 06:36 PM
What is wrong with the benefit of the doubt?

Are you totally unbiased in your belief of the situation?

Would you ever ask a question like that if the same situation was posed to you?

Swing and a miss.

Programmer
09-18-2008, 07:09 PM
except for the fact that you selectively give that benefit of the doubt based on what party a person belongs to.

ROFL


boy ... you're a republican through and through.

full of shiite to the bone

That may be, but earlier this year I was totally undecided about who to vote for. I asked for reasons to vote for Obama, all I got was a load of shit for asking the question.

I didn't decide which way I was going to vote until the RNC. I compared the two speeches, Obama and McCain, there was no comparison.

There is no doubt about Obama, he does not have what it takes to be president. He is less quaified than Kerry, who I did give the benefit of the doubt to until he opened his mouth and placed his foot squarely down his throat.

I have a bias, but you are just as biased as a democrat. You are the exact opposite of what you claim I am.

:rolleyes:

Programmer
09-18-2008, 07:11 PM
Swing and a miss.

If you were a mayor of a small town and the question posed to Palin was posed to you what would you do?

You said I had a hit and a miss, but I see that you didn't answer the question.

I may not have hit a home run, but you seem to have struck out.

Direckshun
09-18-2008, 07:33 PM
If you were a mayor of a small town and the question posed to Palin was posed to you what would you do?

You said I had a hit and a miss, but I see that you didn't answer the question.

I may not have hit a home run, but you seem to have struck out.

You are quite the loser.

Programmer
09-18-2008, 07:35 PM
You are quite the loser.

That could be, but I see you don't have the courage to answer a simple question.

Hello Pot.

patteeu
09-19-2008, 05:33 AM
You are baselessly giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, you're free to do that, but just be aware that you are.

The fact that she hasn't lifted a finger to ban a book in her entire time in government despite making these inquiries is a basis on which to rest that benefit of the doubt.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 05:44 AM
The fact that she hasn't lifted a finger to ban a book in her entire time in government despite making these inquiries is a basis on which to rest that benefit of the doubt.

You can't use facts and common sense with the argument. They are running up against a stone wall and are having to resort to any method to defend their hatred of Sarah Palin.

Direckshun
09-19-2008, 12:03 PM
The fact that she hasn't lifted a finger to ban a book in her entire time in government despite making these inquiries is a basis on which to rest that benefit of the doubt.

I don't know, I think very few people would be so cloudy on the issue of the executive head dictating to libraries.

Direckshun
09-19-2008, 12:03 PM
That could be, but I see you don't have the courage to answer a simple question.

Hello Pot.

I know more about reality than you will ever know.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 02:05 PM
I know more about reality than you will ever know.

Right, you are really into reality.

Your comments on this board alone suggests otherwise.

Direckshun
09-19-2008, 06:49 PM
Right, you are really into reality.

Your comments on this board alone suggests otherwise.

Your comments are without merit.

VAChief
09-19-2008, 06:54 PM
Your comments are without merit.

Suddenly an image of the homeless guy saluting Kramer and Newman in the Rikshaw episode popped into my head.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 07:11 PM
Your comments are without merit.

There you go, you are showing ignorance at it's best.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 07:12 PM
Suddenly an image of the homeless guy saluting Kramer and Newman in the Rikshaw episode popped into my head.

And fell directly on the pavement from both ears.

whoman69
09-19-2008, 09:52 PM
Stuck in at the end of the Snopes article is the real meat behind the accusations which it calls false. The article won't allow to copy/paste but here is there gist that everyone seems to be ignoring.

Palin asked the librarian about how she would react to books being banned. This was supposedly in response to a patron who had questioned some of the books the year previous. However the records show that there had not been any books challenged in the 10 years before Palin took office.

Palin then notified the librarian that she would be fired because Palin felt the librarian didn't give her full support. The librarian was reinstated the next day after public outcry.

In essence Palin creates a non-existent situation as a pretense to look into banning books. She fires the librarian but then has to reinstate the librarian the next day.

If Palin becomes President, do we all have to take a loyalty oath to her?

patteeu
09-20-2008, 07:24 AM
Stuck in at the end of the Snopes article is the real meat behind the accusations which it calls false. The article won't allow to copy/paste but here is there gist that everyone seems to be ignoring.

Palin asked the librarian about how she would react to books being banned. This was supposedly in response to a patron who had questioned some of the books the year previous. However the records show that there had not been any books challenged in the 10 years before Palin took office.

Palin then notified the librarian that she would be fired because Palin felt the librarian didn't give her full support. The librarian was reinstated the next day after public outcry.

In essence Palin creates a non-existent situation as a pretense to look into banning books. She fires the librarian but then has to reinstate the librarian the next day.

If Palin becomes President, do we all have to take a loyalty oath to her?

There's nothing wrong with a chief executive wanting fidelity from the people who serve at his or her pleasure.

irishjayhawk
09-20-2008, 08:48 AM
There's nothing wrong with a chief executive wanting fidelity from the people who serve at his or her pleasure.

ROFL

Programmer
09-20-2008, 08:58 AM
ROFL

My guess is that you believe that the mayor, governor, president, cannot replace whom ever they want when they are in office?

What was the librarians answer when Palin asked the question? Was it an answer like we would expect from you? A smartass reply? Did she defend banning books? Did she tell the Mayor to FO? Seems like you make your decision based on hearsay rather than the full story.

patteeu
09-20-2008, 09:15 AM
ROFL

Why do you think it's described as "at the pleasure of [the chief executive]"?