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RINGLEADER
09-17-2008, 11:33 AM
The national polls out today all have Obama ahead 1-2 points except for Rasmussen. What should be more troubling for McCain is that the Gallup tracking poll had to poll Obama +4 - +6 to get him two points ahead. The economic turmoil combined with McCain's "fundamentals" gaffe have definitely swung momentum back in the Dem's direction.

Look for state polls to start reflecting this 4-5 point move in the days ahead.

KCJohnny
09-17-2008, 11:39 AM
OK, but look at the way democrats have led going into elections in the past 40 years - and have rarely emerged with the WH.
When people actually enter voting booths with strategic threats on their minds, they vote republican.

Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

'enough said

BigChiefFan
09-17-2008, 11:41 AM
OK, but look at the way democrats have led going into elections in the past 40 years - and have rarely emerged with the WH.
When people actually enter voting booths with strategic threats on their minds, they vote republican.

Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

'enough saidI think George W. has got them both beat and he's the predecessor, 'nuff said.

Frankie
09-17-2008, 11:42 AM
Maybe the Palin honeymoon is over. I doubt it would be going on till November.

HolmeZz
09-17-2008, 11:43 AM
OK, but look at the way democrats have led going into elections in the past 40 years - and have rarely emerged with the WH.
When people actually enter voting booths with strategic threats on their minds, they vote republican.

Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

'enough said

You're aware that more people have voted for the Democrat in 3 of the past 4 elections, right?

Taco John
09-17-2008, 11:45 AM
When people actually enter voting booths with strategic threats on their minds, they vote republican.



The electorate isn't going into the booth thinking about strategic threats, unless something significant happens between now and then (Republicans can only hope) to put Americans in danger.

People are going to vote based on the economy.

Amnorix
09-17-2008, 11:45 AM
The national polls out today all have Obama ahead 1-2 points except for Rasmussen. What should be more troubling for McCain is that the Gallup tracking poll had to poll Obama +4 - +6 to get him two points ahead. The economic turmoil combined with McCain's "fundamentals" gaffe have definitely swung momentum back in the Dem's direction.

Look for state polls to start reflecting this 4-5 point move in the days ahead.

Given the unpopularity of the Iraq debacle and the economy, it would be beyond stunning ot me if hte Republicans managed to hold the WH. It has nothing to do with McCain -- given the other circumstances, I'd be SHOCKED if any member of the same party could hold the WH under these kinds of circumstances.

HolmeZz
09-17-2008, 11:47 AM
The electorate isn't going into the booth thinking about strategic threats, unless something significant happens between now and then (Republicans can only hope) to put Americans in danger.

Only the Republicans could have a second terrorist attack happen under their watch and claim it's the other party that can't keep you safe. And there are plenty on this board who would eat it up.

Ultra Peanut
09-17-2008, 11:51 AM
how can dis bee

i was informt dee convention bounce was permanent ting

(This is actually right on or even ahead of schedule, by the way.)

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Ultra Peanut
09-17-2008, 11:52 AM
OK, but look at the way democrats have led going into elections in the past 40 years - and have rarely emerged with the WH. Let me guess. John Kerry is one of your examples?

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 12:16 PM
Maybe the Palin honeymoon is over. I doubt it would be going on till November.

Yep. Her favorables have dropped quite a bit and her unfavorable rating has risen.

People just don't view McCain as any kind of change agent especially since he knows zero about the economy.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2008, 12:26 PM
Yep. Her favorables have dropped quite a bit and her unfavorable rating has risen.

People just don't view McCain as any kind of change agent especially since he knows zero about the economy.

Well that's the thing that is interesting. All these negative attacks and negative ads and the polls tell us that a majority of people like these candidates. The negative attacks aren't having a big impact yet.

On the economy McCain has been polling even with Obama. Will be interesting to see polls later this week to see if that trend continues.

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 12:30 PM
Only the Republicans could have a second terrorist attack happen under their watch and claim it's the other party that can't keep you safe. And there are plenty on this board who would eat it up.

No truer words have been uttered in this thread and possibly board.

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 12:31 PM
Well that's the thing that is interesting. All these negative attacks and negative ads and the polls tell us that a majority of people like these candidates. The negative attacks aren't having a big impact yet.

On the economy McCain has been polling even with Obama. Will be interesting to see polls later this week to see if that trend continues.

I think this is more due to Palin than McCain.

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 12:31 PM
Well that's the thing that is interesting. All these negative attacks and negative ads and the polls tell us that a majority of people like these candidates. The negative attacks aren't having a big impact yet.

On the economy McCain has been polling even with Obama. Will be interesting to see polls later this week to see if that trend continues.


CBS Poll from today, Obama 60-39 McCain 53-46

Barack Obama rates slightly higher than John McCain in voter confidence in handling the economy, though most voters are at least somewhat confident in both candidates. Sixty percent of voters are very or somewhat confident in Obama's ability to handle the economy, while 53 percent say the same of McCain. Forty-six percent say they are not too confident or not at all confident in McCain, while 39 percent have that opinion of Obama.

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 12:37 PM
Also national poll after poll is showing Obama leading again except Republican Rasmussen. Which is not surprising since he was pretty much wrong all the time during the Dem primary

jettio
09-17-2008, 12:51 PM
Obama's best hope in the battlegrounds is that he has surrogates in every state that have won statewide elections in that state and who really want Obama to win.

A lot of elected GOP surrogates really do not passionately want McCain to win because he does not play well with others and he is holier than thou.

McCain's trail buddies like Lieberman and Lindsey Graham are the only ones he can count on. Ridge may be reliable for him in Pa., and Crist and Martinez in Fl., but most of his state level endorsers could give 3/5 of 1/10 of a sh*t whether or not McCain wins. They might be loyal to their party but they don't care about him.

McCain has more appeal with the press and voters than he does with the people he has to work with.

Pitt Gorilla
09-17-2008, 12:54 PM
OK, but look at the way democrats have led going into elections in the past 40 years - and have rarely emerged with the WH.
When people actually enter voting booths with strategic threats on their minds, they vote republican.

Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton

'enough saidGotsta keep talkin' bout threats.

mlyonsd
09-17-2008, 01:02 PM
It's all about the debates.

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 01:12 PM
It's all about the debates.

I agree.

|Zach|
09-17-2008, 01:15 PM
Breaking: Oliver Sacks chastised for suggesting Palin does not have enough experience to perform brain surgery. McCain reportedly "furious."

Rooster
09-17-2008, 01:25 PM
It's all about the debates.

I agree. I don't give a rats ass about shaking hands and kissing babies. Everything up until now has been smoke and mirrors from both sides. It's time to debate and see who flinches first.

Calcountry
09-17-2008, 01:37 PM
The national polls out today all have Obama ahead 1-2 points except for Rasmussen. What should be more troubling for McCain is that the Gallup tracking poll had to poll Obama +4 - +6 to get him two points ahead. The economic turmoil combined with McCain's "fundamentals" gaffe have definitely swung momentum back in the Dem's direction.

Look for state polls to start reflecting this 4-5 point move in the days ahead.This is why I didn't vote for the dumb ass in the primaries. He really is a reactionary, always trying to be liked by the media, and everyone else. OOOPS, I meant the economy sucks, there, does that work for you guys? Please elect me now?

The only problem is, Obama will use this as an excuse to throw away the entire economic system, that has led to America being one of the greatest countries in the history of mankind.

Are you ready for change? Are you ready for American Marxism/Socialism?

To a lot of dummies, this probably sounds like a good alternative, given the fact that they are having trouble with the Rotisseried Chicken on every table, and SUV's in every 4 car garage with mortgage they can't pay for.

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 01:38 PM
This is why I didn't vote for the dumb ass in the primaries. He really is a reactionary, always trying to be liked by the media, and everyone else. OOOPS, I meant the economy sucks, there, does that work for you guys? Please elect me now?

The only problem is, Obama will use this as an excuse to throw away the entire economic system, that has led to America being one of the greatest countries in the history of mankind.

Are you ready for change? Are you ready for American Marxism/Socialism?

To a lot of dummies, this probably sounds like a good alternative, given the fact that they are having trouble with the Rotisseried Chicken on every table, and SUV's in every 4 car garage with mortgage they can't pay for.

ROFL

MCCARTHY'S BACK!!!!

tiptap
09-17-2008, 01:40 PM
Actually we are at the point that Obama only needs to make people comfortable to vote for him personally. The "fundamentals" just don't support the status quo and change coming from the status quorum in the White House.

Calcountry
09-17-2008, 01:42 PM
Also national poll after poll is showing Obama leading again except Republican Rasmussen. Which is not surprising since he was pretty much wrong all the time during the Dem primaryNo, he really phuqed up on the economy thing.

There is only one problem, Obama's message. He doesn't have one on the economy. It is just, elect me and we won't have 4 more years of Bush.

He has to connect with Americans on his vision for our economy and the election is his. The problem is, he is too scared to share that vision with the American people. He has a vision, ther is no doubt about that, it is just, that an average American, who is basically economically illiterate, and is just tuning into this thing, would be even more scared of Obama's Marxism dream than anything that is on the news right now. Obama knows that, and that is why he is weakk when it comes to making that connection.

McCain, amazingly, still has an opportunity, if, and it is a pretty damn big IF, he can make that connection on the economy himselt.

Vision, America, Greatness. We have to believe in ourselves, and our countries abilities to get through this. It is up to the candidates to make the sale, close the deal.

Calcountry
09-17-2008, 01:44 PM
Actually we are at the point that Obama only needs to make people comfortable to vote for him personally. The "fundamentals" just don't support the status quo and change coming from the status quorum in the White House.
Sadly, I have to agree with this.

mlyonsd
09-17-2008, 01:44 PM
No, he really phuqed up on the economy thing.

There is only one problem, Obama's message. He doesn't have one on the economy. It is just, elect me and we won't have 4 more years of Bush.

He has to connect with Americans on his vision for our economy and the election is his. The problem is, he is too scared to share that vision with the American people. He has a vision, ther is no doubt about that, it is just, that an average American, who is basically economically illiterate, and is just tuning into this thing, would be even more scared of Obama's Marxism dream than anything that is on the news right now. Obama knows that, and that is why he is weakk when it comes to making that connection.

McCain, amazingly, still has an opportunity, if, and it is a pretty damn big IF, he can make that connection on the economy himselt.

Vision, America, Greatness. We have to believe in ourselves, and our countries abilities to get through this. It is up to the candidates to make the sale, close the deal.

Don't forget if you're middle class Obama is going to send you another $1000 check.

Do us a favor and buy us a new tv or something.

Bowser
09-17-2008, 01:47 PM
ROFL

MCCARTHY'S BACK!!!!

DID THAT CAT JUST SAY MAO? SHOOT IT!!!

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 01:48 PM
No, he really phuqed up on the economy thing.

There is only one problem, Obama's message. He doesn't have one on the economy. It is just, elect me and we won't have 4 more years of Bush.

He has to connect with Americans on his vision for our economy and the election is his. The problem is, he is too scared to share that vision with the American people. He has a vision, ther is no doubt about that, it is just, that an average American, who is basically economically illiterate, and is just tuning into this thing, would be even more scared of Obama's Marxism dream than anything that is on the news right now. Obama knows that, and that is why he is weakk when it comes to making that connection.

McCain, amazingly, still has an opportunity, if, and it is a pretty damn big IF, he can make that connection on the economy himselt.

Vision, America, Greatness. We have to believe in ourselves, and our countries abilities to get through this. It is up to the candidates to make the sale, close the deal.

He has a message you just aren't paying attention. His ad today spoke to his plan

Here's what I believe we need to do. Reform our tax system to give a $1,000 tax break to the middle class instead of showering more on oil companies and corporations that outsource our jobs. End the "anything goes" culture on Wall Street with real regulation that protects your investments and pensions. Fast track a plan for energy 'made-in-America' that will free us from our dependence on mid-east oil in 10 years and put millions of Americans to work. Crack down on lobbyists -- once and for all -- so their back-room deal-making no longer drowns out the voices of the middle class and undermines our common interests as Americans. And yes, bring a responsible end to this war in Iraq so we stop spending billions each month rebuilding their country when we should be rebuilding ours.

Now you may disagree with it but at least he has ideas while McCain has a 9/11 type commission.

Pitt Gorilla
09-17-2008, 01:51 PM
There was a nice bit on The Daily Show last night with a clip of a Pallin speech on the economy. She was talking about the need for more regulation so that something like the current housing/banking situation doesn't happen again. Then, she talks about deregulation and getting the government out of the way of business. I can understand people having and defending each position, but to mention them together in one speech? It was funny.

Bowser
09-17-2008, 01:54 PM
There was a nice bit on The Daily Show last night with a clip of a Pallin speech on the economy. She was talking about the need for more regulation so that something like the current housing/banking situation doesn't happen again. Then, she talks about deregulation and getting the government out of the way of business. I can understand people having and defending each position, but to mention them together in one speech? It was funny.

It's called covering your bases while still being able to employ plausible deniability when asked about your comments.

Calcountry
09-17-2008, 01:55 PM
ROFL

MCCARTHY'S BACK!!!!
"White mans greed runs a world in need"

Take Exons profits and give everyone a 1000 dollar check? Just what is that?

Calcountry
09-17-2008, 01:57 PM
He has a message you just aren't paying attention. His ad today spoke to his plan


Now you may disagree with it but at least he has ideas while McCain has a 9/11 type commission.
He hasn't made the sale to me, and a lot of folks like me, that is what I was trying to communicate. It isn't my job to read up, and understand his greatness. It is his job, to condescend to my level, and educate me about his vision and beliefs.

|Zach|
09-17-2008, 02:00 PM
He hasn't made the sale to me, and a lot of folks like me, that is what I was trying to communicate. It isn't my job to read up, and understand his greatness. It is his job, to condescend to my level, and educate me about his vision and beliefs.

Yea, you were available to be sold too.

C'mon.

Nothing wrong with not supporting Obama but lets not act like you were available to be swayed.

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 02:02 PM
He hasn't made the sale to me, and a lot of folks like me, that is what I was trying to communicate. It isn't my job to read up, and understand his greatness. It is his job, to condescend to my level, and educate me about his vision and beliefs.

I agree partly but IMO it is also up to you to educate yourself on the issues and what each candidate stands for.

|Zach|
09-17-2008, 02:04 PM
I agree partly but IMO it is also up to you to educate yourself on the issues and what each candidate stands for.
Waste of time...

That basically threw his hands up and said F&*k this country if Obama was a candidate.

Calcountry
09-17-2008, 02:14 PM
Yea, you were available to be sold too.

C'mon.

Nothing wrong with not supporting Obama but lets not act like you were available to be swayed.
Honestly, I am not talking about me, I am talking about the campaigns.

It is difficult to compose these blurbs accurately between customers sometimes, I have to go fast, and may miscomunicate what it is I am trying to convey.

I was using, "myself" as a typical voter, when in fact, I am not a typical voter.

|Zach|
09-17-2008, 02:15 PM
Honestly, I am not talking about me, I am talking about the campaigns.

It is difficult to compose these blurbs accurately between customers sometimes, I have to go fast, and may miscomunicate what it is I am trying to convey.

I was using, "myself" as a typical voter, when in fact, I am not a typical voter.

That makes sense.

Calcountry
09-17-2008, 02:17 PM
Waste of time...

That basically threw his hands up and said F&*k this country if Obama was a candidate.

I believe, this counry is F&*ked if Obama wins, that is accurate.
Sadly, it will still be my country.

I will aggressivly campaign to derail the Obama agenda at every turn available to me given his ascension to power.

It will be only 2 years before the Congress is up for re-election.

American's will be wanting "Change" and "Hope".

HolmeZz
09-17-2008, 02:44 PM
So what stopped you from campaigning to derail Bush from *****ing up the country?