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penguinz
09-17-2008, 03:46 PM
Did the internet just cause Sarah Palin (http://gawker.com/tag/sarah-palin/) to destroy evidence? The potential Veep is in a bit of trouble for conducting state business using her personal, unarchived email address (gov.sarah@yahoo.com) instead of her official account (http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/526281.html) (which is, of course, subject to laws requiring the retention of government records). Emails from that Yahoo account are already being sought (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080916-palins-e-mail-habits-come-under-fire.html) in connection with the Troopergate investigation. Now comes word that Anonymous (http://gawker.com/347367/why-kids-on-the-internet-are-scientologys-most-powerful-enemy), the fun-loving Internet trouble-makers based loosely around the message board 4Chan (http://gawker.com/346385/what-the-hell-are-4chan-ed-something-awful-and-b), gained access to another Palin email account: gov.palin@yahoo.com. It looks legit! The offending posts, screenshots, heretofore unseen family photos, and emails have all been deleted from Imageshack and 4Chan. But we have them. You want to read Sarah Palin's email? Ok, sad thing first: a good Samaritan reset the password and tried to alert Sarah. But he also posted the new password, causing multiple people to try to log in at once, freezing the account for 24 hours. And now, the account has been deleted! Which is, as we said, maybe destruction of evidence? So for now this is, we think, all we'll get to see from this email account (if anyone finds evidence of saved emails, let us know.)
The full timeline of events, with corroborating evidence of the legitimacy of these screengrabs, is here. (http://pastebin.com/f652c44fb) Here's why it all looks convincing:

The emails to Ivy Frye, a Palin aide who's mentioned in the earlier email stories (http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/526281.html) specifically wondering how best to hide her correspondence with the governor.
The attached contact list (below) features an email address for husband Todd Palin that is legit. (http://www.thestar.com/News/USElection/article/499832) As well as an apparently genuine phone number for Bristol Palin and an address for Beth Leschper, Palin's deputy communications director.
The email from Amy McCorkell, a known associate of Palin's from Wasilla (http://gov.state.ak.us/archive-2271.html) who might have the governor's personal email address.
Emails to and from Lt Governor Sean Parnell about a local radio talk host.
Calls to the phone number listed for Bristol Palin apparently go to her voicemail.
The public profile for the gov.palin address dates its last update to April of this year—well before she became McCain's running mate. So if it's a hoax, it's a hoax that began long before anyone outside of Alaska cared about Palin.
We haven't seen these family photos before. Have we?
The previously accessible public profiles for gov.sarah@yahoo and gov.palin@yahoo were both deleted at the same time. Here are the screenshots of the emails saved before the account went dark, along with the contact list. It's newsworthy and we will not be taking it down!


http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-email-account-hacked

HolmeZz
09-17-2008, 04:08 PM
This is so wrong on so many levels... this is going to backfire BIG TIME...

Because Palin apparently broke the law?

phisherman
09-17-2008, 04:09 PM
how exactly? by showing that she was deliberately going around laws concerning retention of federal records by discussing government matters in personal e-mails?

it may be nothing, but that could also be construed as pretty shady

SBK
09-17-2008, 04:09 PM
Interesting that hacking email is now acceptable.....

whatsmynameagain
09-17-2008, 04:16 PM
Interesting that hacking email is now acceptable.....

nobody said it was acceptable. sometimes laws have to be broken to get to the truth, right?

signed,
patriot act


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Guru
09-17-2008, 04:17 PM
Nice. Justifying invasion of privacy of a personal account. Sure hope somebody hacks Obamas or Bidens account to even things up.

Ultra Peanut
09-17-2008, 04:24 PM
This is so wrong on so many levels... this is going to backfire BIG TIME...Backfire on some random /b/tard? Probably.

Backfire on anyone else? Uh, no.

Nice. Justifying invasion of privacy of a personal account. Sure hope somebody hacks Obamas or Bidens account to even things up.Who's justifying it, exactly?

Rooster
09-17-2008, 04:25 PM
Her yahoo account is probably just where she hides her porn. ;)

Guru
09-17-2008, 04:28 PM
Backfire on some random /b/tard? Probably.

Backfire on anyone else? Uh, no.

Who's justifying it, exactly?

I sure don't hear any democrats condemning it.

Ultra Peanut
09-17-2008, 04:33 PM
I sure don't hear any democrats condemning it.Democrats shouldn't have to condemn this any more than Republicans defending this (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/10/obama_sign_in_yard_stirs_up_neighbors.html?refresh=1). It wasn't some scheme hatched up by a Democrat or a 527; it was a /b/tard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan#.2Fb.2F) snooping around and trying to get his 15 minutes of e-fame.

Garcia Bronco
09-17-2008, 04:34 PM
Because Palin apparently broke the law?


How did she break the law based on what you have in front of you?

Guru
09-17-2008, 04:34 PM
Democrats shouldn't have to condemn this any more than Republicans defending this (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/10/obama_sign_in_yard_stirs_up_neighbors.html?refresh=1). It wasn't some scheme hatched up by a Democrat or a 527; it was a /b/tard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan#.2Fb.2F) snooping around and trying to get his 15 minutes of e-fame.
Can't wait to see the media print everything up though. I am sure they are salivating at the opportunity.

I'm not a republican, but even if I were, I would NOT defend that sign.

Garcia Bronco
09-17-2008, 04:39 PM
I don't defned the message on the sign, I do defend the man's right to express it.

penguinz
09-17-2008, 04:40 PM
How did she break the law based on what you have in front of you?If she sent any emails via her non government provided email account that had anything to do with government issues she broke the law.

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 04:41 PM
What is funny is that she is claiming executive privilege over these emails and the one from her state account.

Why would she claim that if there was nothing to hide?

Garcia Bronco
09-17-2008, 04:43 PM
If she sent any emails via her non government provided email account that had anything to do with government issues she broke the law.


How so? I can introduce you to piece of legislation that would inhibit any such law regarding government commnunication as unconstitutional. But back to what's in front of us: What exactly did she do that broke the law that you can see?

Programmer
09-17-2008, 04:46 PM
There comes a time when people will be held accountable for their actions.

The presumption of personal email addresses used for government business is a stretch.

If the email was hacked there was possibilities or probabilities that data was added which would keep any of the data from being used for any reason other than to inflame liberals.

I have no doubt the account is a bogus account. There will be an offical response to the allegation and if all is proven false it would be great news to see those purpertrators held accountable for their actions as well as the media, which is likely to have a heyday with this until they find it's false.

The next few days might be interesting and possibly harmful to the liberals that seem to need more dirt than would normally exist for anyone.

Programmer
09-17-2008, 04:47 PM
If she sent any emails via her non government provided email account that had anything to do with government issues she broke the law.

You are going to have to link that one.

Pitt Gorilla
09-17-2008, 04:51 PM
The next few days might be interesting and possibly harmful to the liberals that seem to need more dirt than would normally exist for anyone.Harmful in what way?

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 04:55 PM
You are going to have to link that one.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/09/AR2008090903044.html

Palin had claimed executive privilege for documents copied to her husband, who is not a state employee, in responding to an open records request in June made by Andrée McLeod, an activist in Anchorage. The administrative appeal filed yesterday by McLeod's attorney, Donald C. Mitchell, argued that by copying Todd Palin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Todd+Palin?tid=informline) on sensitive state correspondence, the governor and her aides shattered the privilege rightly afforded elected officials.

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') ; } // --> </script> "She has allowed Todd Palin -- who has not been elected by the people of Alaska, who is not a state employee -- to entangle himself apparently as he sees fit in the operations of the executive branch of the state government," Mitchell said.

"From the case law, if government voluntarily opens up that internal decision-making to what I would call civilians, then that is waiver of that protection of the government policy decision-making process. That is what happened here, and it happened because Sarah Palin doesn't understand it," he said.

Todd Palin was frequently copied on e-mails relating to Alaska State Troopers and the union representing public safety employees, according to McLeod, who received four boxes of redacted e-mails in response to her request. At the time, both Sarah and Todd Palin were complaining to the state public safety commissioner about a disciplinary matter involving Sarah Palin's ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.

"There's a reason the governor should be using her own official e-mail channels, because of security and encryption," the lawyer said. "She's running state business out of Yahoo?"

On March 17, minutes after peppering a state official about whether e-mails about state business contained on a personal BlackBerry (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/BlackBerry+Mobile+Devices?tid=informline) could become public, senior Palin aide Ivy Frye addressed a message to both Palins and two other aides: "In sum, it's just as I thought -- questions of confidentiality are still unanswered by law."

McLeod, a former state employee who once was close to Palin, filed an ethics complaint last month against Palin and others. She cited e-mail traffic that appeared to show that the governor's office improperly helped a Palin fundraiser obtain a civil service position.

Garcia Bronco
09-17-2008, 04:58 PM
" if government voluntarily opens up that internal decision-making to what I would call civilians"

LOL. I'd be impressed if he made that argument with a straight face.

Programmer
09-17-2008, 05:00 PM
Harmful in what way?

Did you read the post?

I seriously doubt that there are problems. I'm sure the media and all of the LWNJ's around the country will spread the story as if it were true.

Harmful, Democrats attack Palin "AGAIN".

I would think the candidate would be doing his best against McCain. The VP is less of a problem than you all think. Remember Al "Internet" Gore?
Dan "Potatoe" Quale?

Programmer
09-17-2008, 05:02 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/09/AR2008090903044.html

Palin had claimed executive privilege for documents copied to her husband, who is not a state employee, in responding to an open records request in June made by Andrée McLeod, an activist in Anchorage. The administrative appeal filed yesterday by McLeod's attorney, Donald C. Mitchell, argued that by copying Todd Palin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Todd+Palin?tid=informline) on sensitive state correspondence, the governor and her aides shattered the privilege rightly afforded elected officials.

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') ; } // --> </SCRIPT>"She has allowed Todd Palin -- who has not been elected by the people of Alaska, who is not a state employee -- to entangle himself apparently as he sees fit in the operations of the executive branch of the state government," Mitchell said.

"From the case law, if government voluntarily opens up that internal decision-making to what I would call civilians, then that is waiver of that protection of the government policy decision-making process. That is what happened here, and it happened because Sarah Palin doesn't understand it," he said.

Todd Palin was frequently copied on e-mails relating to Alaska State Troopers and the union representing public safety employees, according to McLeod, who received four boxes of redacted e-mails in response to her request. At the time, both Sarah and Todd Palin were complaining to the state public safety commissioner about a disciplinary matter involving Sarah Palin's ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.

"There's a reason the governor should be using her own official e-mail channels, because of security and encryption," the lawyer said. "She's running state business out of Yahoo?"

On March 17, minutes after peppering a state official about whether e-mails about state business contained on a personal BlackBerry (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/BlackBerry+Mobile+Devices?tid=informline) could become public, senior Palin aide Ivy Frye addressed a message to both Palins and two other aides: "In sum, it's just as I thought -- questions of confidentiality are still unanswered by law."

McLeod, a former state employee who once was close to Palin, filed an ethics complaint last month against Palin and others. She cited e-mail traffic that appeared to show that the governor's office improperly helped a Palin fundraiser obtain a civil service position.

How different is her husband "participating" in state affairs from Hillary participating in government affairs as first lady?

Remember, Hillary was claiming 8 years experience in the White House.

Garcia Bronco
09-17-2008, 05:03 PM
How different is her husband "participating" in state affairs from Hillary participating in government affairs as first lady?

Remember, Hillary was claiming 8 years experience in the White House.


It doesn't and it's a ridiculous argument.

J Diddy
09-17-2008, 05:05 PM
Did you read the post?

I seriously doubt that there are problems. I'm sure the media and all of the LWNJ's around the country will spread the story as if it were true.

Harmful, Democrats attack Palin "AGAIN".

I would think the candidate would be doing his best against McCain. The VP is less of a problem than you all think. Remember Al "Internet" Gore?
Dan "Potatoe" Quale?

with her comes the moniker of change. without her they are just the same old folks

that's the reason the polls shifted after her announcement

dirk digler
09-17-2008, 05:06 PM
I never made such an argument I just posted the story.

I just find it funny that she is claiming executive privilege over a personal email account on Yahoo.

Ultra Peanut
09-17-2008, 05:15 PM
BREAKING: Obama's gmail account hacked!

This. Is. HYUUUGE!

http://i36.tinypic.com/2e22mqg.jpg

BIG_DADDY
09-17-2008, 05:44 PM
BREAKING: Obama's gmail account hacked!

This. Is. HYUUUGE!

http://i36.tinypic.com/2e22mqg.jpg

You missed the picture sent by his biggest fan

Ultra Peanut
09-17-2008, 06:04 PM
You missed the picture sent by his biggest fanYou really like that picture, don't you?

tiptap
09-17-2008, 08:02 PM
I truly think the picture of her daughter, crossed eyed is pretty cute. I like all the praying. It serves to remind me that it isn't part time to talk to God for Palen.

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 08:10 PM
You really like that picture, don't you?

He likes his own face? :shrug:

DaFace
09-17-2008, 08:34 PM
This is pretty shitty, IMO. I'd imagine that most politicians have some work-related discussion that they talk about through personal accounts - we all do. If someone could prove that she had some sort of conversation on there that was deliberately avoiding scruity, I could see the outcry, but otherwise...

Regardless, breaking into a person's personal e-mail account is a shitty way to go (and isn't exactly a legal investigation), and I can't see the Dems getting any positive result from this.

Count Alex's Wins
09-17-2008, 09:05 PM
I was hoping to see some Adult Friend Finder notifications.

Cosmos
09-17-2008, 09:11 PM
There comes a time when people will be held accountable for their actions.

Nov 4, 2008...

KILLER_CLOWN
09-17-2008, 09:22 PM
nobody said it was acceptable. sometimes laws have to be broken to get to the truth, right?

signed,
patriot act


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couldn't have said it better myself.

J Diddy
09-17-2008, 09:24 PM
I was hoping to see some Adult Friend Finder notifications.

the sad thing is I was thinking the same thing

***SPRAYER
09-17-2008, 09:25 PM
Are moonbats still trying to derail this woman?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-17-2008, 09:27 PM
Are moonbats still trying to derail this woman?

Jerome Corsi is coming out with a book in a couple of weeks. ;)

KCJohnny
09-17-2008, 09:29 PM
Are moonbats still trying to derail this woman?

She terrifies them. For the first time in history, the Presidential campaign efforts of one party are aimed primarily at the VP candidate of the other. Unprecedented.

The funny thing is, the more they try to smear her, the further her approval ratings climb.

HonestChieffan
09-17-2008, 09:32 PM
This is all Obama can fingure out to try to get back on track? What a joke.

DaFace
09-17-2008, 09:44 PM
She terrifies them. For the first time in history, the Presidential campaign efforts of one party are aimed primarily at the VP candidate of the other. Unprecedented.

The funny thing is, the more they try to smear her, the further her approval ratings climb.

You are aware that her approval ratings have slid significantly in the past week, right?

KCJohnny
09-17-2008, 09:48 PM
You are aware that her approval ratings have slid significantly in the past week, right?

Link?

RJ
09-17-2008, 09:48 PM
Are moonbats still trying to derail this woman?


Yep, still. Two whole weeks later, despite all the countless interviews she has done and al the transparency that has been provided.

The nerve of those people.

DaFace
09-17-2008, 09:56 PM
Link?

All you have to do is Google "palin favorability" to find a whole slew of articles about it. It's been a pretty hot topic this week from my limited intake of political news. :shrug:

Here's one of the first ones I found.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/09/16/poll-palins-favorables-slip-by-10/

Or if you prefer a more well-known publication:

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx

KCJohnny
09-17-2008, 10:01 PM
All you have to do is Google "palin favorability" to find a whole slew of articles about it. It's been a pretty hot topic this week from my limited intake of political news. :shrug:

Here's one of the first ones I found.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/09/16/poll-palins-favorables-slip-by-10/

Or if you prefer a more well-known publication:

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx

Yeah, it really falling. Here's analysis (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx) from that Right Wing bastion Newsweek:

What happened? *First, it's important to note that Palin's approval rating hasn't tanked. Far from it. And we should hold off on drawing any hard and fast conclusions until more polling comes out.* That said, I suspect that we're starting to see Palin's considerable novelty wear off.

DaFace
09-17-2008, 10:04 PM
Yeah, it really falling. Here's analysis (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx) from that Right Wing bastion Newsweek:

Nevermind. I typically stay out of DC because of how much politicos try and justify everything, and I frankly don't care. You win. Palin 4 EVAR!!!

KCJohnny
09-17-2008, 10:13 PM
Nevermind. I typically stay out of DC because of how much politicos try and justify everything, and I frankly don't care. You win. Palin 4 EVAR!!!

Sarah's favorability rating in Alaska was at a stratospheric 80% at the time she was nominated for VP. She still leads the other 3 candidates in favorability ratings. I don't think its reckless to conclude that the people she governed overwhelmingly approved of her duty performance.

irishjayhawk
09-17-2008, 10:13 PM
Yeah, it really falling. Here's analysis (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx) from that Right Wing bastion Newsweek:

So, because it hasn't TANKED means it hasn't fallen.

Interesting.

Ultra Peanut
09-17-2008, 11:15 PM
Sarah's favorability rating in Alaska was at a stratospheric 80% at the time she was nominated for VP. She still leads the other 3 candidates in favorability ratings. I don't think its reckless to conclude that the people she governed overwhelmingly approved of her duty performance.IT HAS BEEN TWO WEEKS

Velvet_Jones
09-17-2008, 11:30 PM
If she sent any emails via her non government provided email account that had anything to do with government issues she broke the law.

I call bushiate.

Logical
09-17-2008, 11:39 PM
I sure don't hear any democrats condemning it.
Probably because they think it is sweet irony as framed by the Patriot Act as the Republican created legislation.

Velvet_Jones
09-17-2008, 11:42 PM
nobody said it was acceptable. sometimes laws have to be broken to get to the truth, right?

signed,
patriot act


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I've heard some stupid shiate here before but this one is a winner. Congratulations, you just earned a dumbassmotherfuggerdness merit badge for your effort.

Logical
09-17-2008, 11:51 PM
Link?

Palin's unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That's a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline (http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/DiageoHotlineTracker091508data.pdf) tracking poll tied for the smallest favorability split (+12)** of any of the Final Four. [UPDATE: The Sept. 17 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll (http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/DiageoHotlineTracker091708data.pdf) shows Palin at 47 percent favorable and 37 percent unfavorable--an even narrower +10 split.] Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx

She lost her margin by a reduction of 10 points in a single weekend, now that is movement.

Logical
09-17-2008, 11:55 PM
This is pretty shitty, IMO. I'd imagine that most politicians have some work-related discussion that they talk about through personal accounts - we all do. If someone could prove that she had some sort of conversation on there that was deliberately avoiding scruity, I could see the outcry, but otherwise...

Regardless, breaking into a person's personal e-mail account is a shitty way to go (and isn't exactly a legal investigation), and I can't see the Dems getting any positive result from this.

I think this brings up the point of these laws Daface. People who use non-governmental accounts can do illegal things without getting caught and it is horribly difficult to grant access to personal accounts (short of the Patriot Act) to prove their misdeeds.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-17-2008, 11:57 PM
I've heard some stupid shiate here before but this one is a winner. Congratulations, you just earned a dumbassmotherfuggerdness merit badge for your effort.

One could believe so, that is if they had never heard of the Constitution!

Guru
09-18-2008, 12:22 AM
Nevermind. I typically stay out of DC because of how much politicos try and justify everything, and I frankly don't care. You win. Palin 4 EVAR!!!
And its more level headed people like you that are desperately needed in this place.

DaFace
09-18-2008, 12:23 AM
I think this brings up the point of these laws Daface. People who use non-governmental accounts can do illegal things without getting caught and it is horribly difficult to grant access to personal accounts (short of the Patriot Act) to prove their misdeeds.

Perhaps so. But I guess my point is that I'd imagine many politicians have personal email accounts, and they probably occasionally talk about work in messages sent from those accounts. It's just a question about to what extent they're doing it.

While I certainly don't endorse that type of thing, regardless of the extent, I don't think I can blame Palin specifically for it. The nature in which the information was obtained basically makes it a moot point for me.

And for the record, I'm planning on voting for the other guys.

DaFace
09-18-2008, 12:26 AM
And its more level headed people like you that are desperately needed in this place.

Well, I may creep in here every once in a while, but I'm certainly not going to get involved in a debate of whether a "slide" is the same as "in the tank." It's that type of crap that makes me want to punch politicians in the face.

Guru
09-18-2008, 12:27 AM
Well, I may creep in here every once in a while, but I'm certainly not going to get involved in a debate of whether a "slide" is the same as "in the tank." It's that type of crap that makes me want to punch politicians in the face.
Now THAT I would love to see.:D

Logical
09-18-2008, 12:53 AM
Perhaps so. But I guess my point is that I'd imagine many politicians have personal email accounts, and they probably occasionally talk about work in messages sent from those accounts. It's just a question about to what extent they're doing it.

While I certainly don't endorse that type of thing, regardless of the extent, I don't think I can blame Palin specifically for it. The nature in which the information was obtained basically makes it a moot point for me.

And for the record, I'm planning on voting for the other guys.I understand but you probably don't work in a job that specifically by legislation prohibits your use of outside accounts when in government positions.

RINGLEADER
09-18-2008, 01:07 AM
Because Palin apparently broke the law?

Please.

And I think we're going to all find that someone used personal information readily available online to get Yahoo to reset the password. She probably should have changed her password hints after she got picked to be the veep.

Not saying it's OK, but I don't see how this 'backfires'...

BigCatDaddy
09-18-2008, 08:05 AM
I think this could be comparable to Watergate, only the shoe being on the other foot. I'll have to wait for more details to see who is behind this.

tiptap
09-18-2008, 08:12 AM
Yes President Bush authorized a group of people to break in to Palen's account.

penchief
09-18-2008, 08:19 AM
Didn't the Bush Administration already set a precedent for breaking the law by conducting government business on private email accounts so that their emails would not be accountable? If so, she's just doing what comes natural to republicans.

Bootlegged
09-18-2008, 08:25 AM
Didn't the Bush Administration already set a precedent for breaking the law by conducting government business on private email accounts so that their emails would not be accountable? If so, she's just doing what comes natural to republicans.


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BigCatDaddy
09-18-2008, 08:26 AM
Yes President Bush authorized a group of people to break in to Palen's account.

If you have someone linked to the democratic nominee for president, someone working for the campaign or whatever, breaking into private property to get information on campaign strategy or dirt I would say it's comparable. If it's some 16 year old at BFE high, then I would agree there is no comparison. It just depends on who done the deed.

tiptap
09-18-2008, 08:28 AM
That is a pretty wide spread there. I mean the Watergate gang, how do you classify them as connected to the Nixon White House? Are they 16 or part of the Cabinet.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-18-2008, 08:28 AM
http://www.bible.ca/marriage/psychiatry-couch.gif

hurry your god hush bimbo is calling you. :rolleyes:

BigCatDaddy
09-18-2008, 08:41 AM
That is a pretty wide spread there. I mean the Watergate gang, how do you classify them as connected to the Nixon White House? Are they 16 or part of the Cabinet.

I said comparable. Not the exact same thing. I'll have to wait for more details once these criminals are caught.

Programmer
09-18-2008, 08:51 AM
Nov 4, 2008...

Accountable as in legal action. Some of the things said border on slander.

tiptap
09-18-2008, 08:57 AM
I said comparable. Not the exact same thing. I'll have to wait for more details once these criminals are caught.

And so quit watering at the mouth until details indicate there is a story.

Chief Henry
09-18-2008, 09:00 AM
And so quit watering at the mouth until details indicate there is a story.

This is SCREAMING to be said "Rove to be indicted in two weeks"

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 09:00 AM
I think this could be comparable to Watergate, only the shoe being on the other foot. I'll have to wait for more details to see who is behind this.

Your dumb

These guys on this board did it

http://img.4chan.org/b/imgboard.html

Sully
09-18-2008, 09:01 AM
Honestly, this is disgusting. It doesn't surprise me, and if Obama or Biden had a private emaila ccount, I also wouldn't be surprised if that one were next... but ultimately, there isn't much to be gained from these types of actions than tabloid-type entertainment.

That said, I came into this thread, and WAS surprised by many on the right flailing wildly about how wrong this invasion of privacy is. I mean, you can't have a discussion about non-warrant wiretaps, searches, or the Patriot Act without one of the fundamental points being made by those on the right being: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, then why would you care if your privacy was invaded?"
I guess that only counts if it's certain people losing the privacy.

BigCatDaddy
09-18-2008, 09:01 AM
And so quit watering at the mouth until details indicate there is a story.


You mean like the typical Sarah Palin story posted here that starts with "If True"?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-18-2008, 09:07 AM
Honestly, this is disgusting. It doesn't surprise me, and if Obama or Biden had a private emaila ccount, I also wouldn't be surprised if that one were next... but ultimately, there isn't much to be gained from these types of actions than tabloid-type entertainment.

That said, I came into this thread, and WAS surprised by many on the right flailing wildly about how wrong this invasion of privacy is. I mean, you can't have a discussion about non-warrant wiretaps, searches, or the Patriot Act without one of the fundamental points being made by those on the right being: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, then why would you care if your privacy was invaded?"
I guess that only counts if it's certain people losing the privacy.

Only use the Constitution when it benefits your party, do we really need habeus corpus? Oh that's right the CONSTITUTION is the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND! ;)

tiptap
09-18-2008, 09:10 AM
It is a reach to talk about the government business outside of government E-mail; that is as well speculative as to whether it should be pursued legally. My interest is what is in the e-mail since I have so little information on the gal to begin with.

patteeu
09-18-2008, 09:22 AM
What is funny is that she is claiming executive privilege over these emails and the one from her state account.

Why would she claim that if there was nothing to hide?

Because if you don't hide things, including things you don't really need to hide, you won't get the best possible advice from your advisers. Every time they think about sending you that email with the important information you need, they'll wonder if their words are going to end up in the newspaper someday.

patteeu
09-18-2008, 09:25 AM
BREAKING: Obama's gmail account hacked!

This. Is. HYUUUGE!

http://i36.tinypic.com/2e22mqg.jpg

Except that "mom" died before gmail went live.

Debunked!! ;)

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 09:35 AM
Because if you don't hide things, including things you don't really need to hide, you won't get the best possible advice from your advisers. Every time they think about sending you that email with the important information you need, they'll wonder if their words are going to end up in the newspaper someday.

Even through a personal email account? I don't think so.

I don't know how states handle it but since I am the network administrator of the company I work we don't allow users to access web email account. If they get caught twice they are fired. Obviously you can't fire the governor but someone in IT should have warned her of the security risks that are inherent with those types of accounts.

DaFace
09-18-2008, 09:43 AM
Even through a personal email account? I don't think so.

I don't know how states handle it but since I am the network administrator of the company I work we don't allow users to access web email account. If they get caught twice they are fired. Obviously you can't fire the governor but someone in IT should have warned her of the security risks that are inherent with those types of accounts.

What if they do it from home?

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 09:53 AM
What if they do it from home?

It depends. If they log in to our network from home, we use Citrix, and then access it they can be fired. We log all webpages accessed inside our system

IMO that is stupid thing to do when they can just pull the web page directly from their own web browser at home then it is no problem because obviously they are using their home network not ours.

patteeu
09-18-2008, 09:53 AM
Even through a personal email account? I don't think so.

I don't know how states handle it but since I am the network administrator of the company I work we don't allow users to access web email account. If they get caught twice they are fired. Obviously you can't fire the governor but someone in IT should have warned her of the security risks that are inherent with those types of accounts.

Perhaps so, but that has nothing to do with whether or not a governor should want to assert executive privilege. Even on a personal email account. If that's the way she was receiving input, then the incentive for asserting the privilege remains the same. Whether or not using personal email for this purpose is illegal or unwise are different questions.

Garcia Bronco
09-18-2008, 09:56 AM
Even through a personal email account? I don't think so.

I don't know how states handle it but since I am the network administrator of the company I work we don't allow users to access web email account. If they get caught twice they are fired. Obviously you can't fire the governor but someone in IT should have warned her of the security risks that are inherent with those types of accounts.

You and I do the same job.


The difference is the governemnt isn't a privately held company. Any communication is public information. Further more governemnt can make no law infringing on free speech. So any law that would inhibit public officals from using personal email is unconstitutional.

Programmer
09-18-2008, 10:00 AM
Even through a personal email account? I don't think so.

I don't know how states handle it but since I am the network administrator of the company I work we don't allow users to access web email account. If they get caught twice they are fired. Obviously you can't fire the governor but someone in IT should have warned her of the security risks that are inherent with those types of accounts.

If they can't access it why don't you have a firewall to prevent access to those sites?

It removes any temptation and saves the jobs. To say they can't and provide them with access seems to be a trap.

The company I contract with has the fire wall to prohibit access to sites deemed "off limits". Genuine work related sites are sometimes caught but all it takes is an email to the IT department to clear a particular website.

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 10:37 AM
Perhaps so, but that has nothing to do with whether or not a governor should want to assert executive privilege. Even on a personal email account. If that's the way she was receiving input, then the incentive for asserting the privilege remains the same. Whether or not using personal email for this purpose is illegal or unwise are different questions.

I don't know but I would think that a personal email account would fall out of the scope of executive privilege. Plus just using a private email account with Yahoo or GMAIL poses a huge security threat which obviously she now has firsthand account of.

The courts will obviously have to decide that and the Bush administration is going through the same thing now.

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 10:39 AM
You and I do the same job.


The difference is the governemnt isn't a privately held company. Any communication is public information. Further more governemnt can make no law infringing on free speech. So any law that would inhibit public officals from using personal email is unconstitutional.

That is cool Garcia. Do you like your job?

I understand your point but it is my personal opinion that doing state business with a Yahoo email account is bypassing the public information law.

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 10:40 AM
If they can't access it why don't you have a firewall to prevent access to those sites?

It removes any temptation and saves the jobs. To say they can't and provide them with access seems to be a trap.

The company I contract with has the fire wall to prohibit access to sites deemed "off limits". Genuine work related sites are sometimes caught but all it takes is an email to the IT department to clear a particular website.

We try but as I am sure Garcia can attest there is always somebody that can figure away around things.

patteeu
09-18-2008, 10:42 AM
I don't know but I would think that a personal email account would fall out of the scope of executive privilege.

Why would you think that?

Garcia Bronco
09-18-2008, 10:46 AM
That is cool Garcia. Do you like your job?

I understand your point but it is my personal opinion that doing state business with a Yahoo email account is bypassing the public information law.


I like it enough, it pays the bills, but I work to live. :)

Garcia Bronco
09-18-2008, 10:48 AM
We try but as I am sure Garcia can attest there is always somebody that can figure away around things.


I just let them do it, now when I worked for a bank - webmail was not allowed and I am not refering to OWA(but even that was very limited). Here we allow webmail access. But I could pull the pluyg on it at anytime with a rule push in the FW, but there would still be ways around it.

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 11:06 AM
I like it enough, it pays the bills, but I work to live. :)

I just let them do it, now when I worked for a bank - webmail was not allowed and I am not refering to OWA(but even that was very limited). Here we allow webmail access. But I could pull the pluyg on it at anytime with a rule push in the FW, but there would still be ways around it.

I hear ya. I love working in IT but the current job I have is ok. The best thing about it is 5 minutes from my house.

We are running a web filtering appliance that helps out alot but it is hard to block all proxy sites.

Garcia Bronco
09-18-2008, 12:16 PM
I hear ya. I love working in IT but the current job I have is ok. The best thing about it is 5 minutes from my house.

We are running a web filtering appliance that helps out alot but it is hard to block all proxy sites.

I am the Web Admin, System admin, Storage Admin, Exchange Admin, Backup Admin, and IT Project Manager for new implementations. We just don't have the resources to worry about that stuff anymore.

***SPRAYER
09-18-2008, 08:49 PM
http://www.fightthepalinsmears.com/articles/2008/09/dirty-tricks-palin-email-break-in/

ROFL