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jAZ
09-18-2008, 11:25 AM
Wow, McCain is already embarassing our nation without even holding the office.

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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1842156,00.html

During an interview in Miami earlier this week with Spanish-language station Union Radio, a reporter asked McCain whether, if elected, he would receive (Spanish prime minister José Luis Rodríguez) Zapatero in the White House. McCain answered, "Honestly, I have to analyze our relationships, situations, and priorities, but I can assure you that I will establish closer relationships with our friends, and I will stand up to those who want to harm the United States."

[...]

When the questioner said, "Now let's talk of Spain" and asked whether he'd invite Zapatero, McCain responded with a vague statement that he would meet "with those leaders who are our friends" and then cited Mexican president Felipe Calderon as an example. The questioner tried several more times to steer the Senator back to a clear answer on Spain, but he never directly addressed it, saying: "What I would say is that my record is that of someone who has worked in a friendly atmosphere with those who are our friends and faced up to those who aren't."

From this, much of the Spanish press has concluded that the Republican candidate, who hails himself as the experienced foreign policy choice in this election, confused Spain — a NATO member and key ally in the fight against terrorism — with one of those troublesome Latin American states. That was certainly the interviewer's impression, for she followed up with a gentle reminder that Spain was a country in Europe. As Spanish newspaper El País put it, "In the best-case scenario, [his answer] demonstrates his ignorance with respect to Zapatero."

[...]

As for Zapatero himself, the prime minister is apparently taking this latest attack to his ego with characteristic equilibrium. McCain may not know who Spain's leader is, but Zapatero promised to work with the new administration "whatever it is."

StcChief
09-18-2008, 11:33 AM
He's generalizing all governments and their leaders. some in NATO aren't our allies. They were when NATO was established.

Cave Johnson
09-18-2008, 11:33 AM
Looks like Spain's going in Obama's column. Chalk another foreign country up on the electoral college board.

Donger
09-18-2008, 11:38 AM
jAZ, how on earth did you read that and even contemplate the thread title you wrote?

Garcia Bronco
09-18-2008, 11:44 AM
jAZ, how on earth did you read that and even contemplate the thread title you wrote?

I could answer that question, but it wouldn't be polite.

Dick Bull
09-18-2008, 11:49 AM
I think McCain made an honest mistake, perhaps he was preoccupied with whether or not he left the coffee pot on

Dick Bull
09-18-2008, 11:49 AM
I could answer that question, but it wouldn't be polite.

You have to lash out occasionally so you don't get confused for a chiefs fan. It's part of the rules.

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 11:51 AM
jAZ, how on earth did you read that and even contemplate the thread title you wrote?

Here is the transcript. Does this make sense to you. It is kind of incoherent

Here is the transcript of the radio interview:
QUESTION: Senator, finally, let's talk about Spain. If you're elected president, would you be willing to invite President Jose Luiz Rodriguez Zapatero to the White House to meet with you?

MCCAIN: I would be willing meet, uh, with those leaders who our friends [sic] and want to work with us in a cooperative fashion, and by the way, President Calderon of Mexico is fighting a very very tough fight against the drug cartels. I'm glad we are now working in cooperation with the Mexican government on the Merida plan. I intend to move forward with relations, and invite as many of them as I can, those leaders, to the White House.

QUESTION: Would that invitation be extended to the Zapatero government, to the president itself?

MCCAIN: I don't, you know, honestly I have to look at relations and the situations and the priorities, but I can assure you I will establish closer relations with our friends and I will stand up to those who want to do harm to the United States of America.

QUESTION: So you have to wait and see if he's willing to meet with you, or you'll be able to do it in the White House?
MCCAIN: Well again I don't, all I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the hemisphere that are friends with us, and standing up to those who are not, and that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America, and the entire region.

QUESTION: Okay... what about Europe I'm talking about the President of Spain?

MCCAIN: What about me what?

QUESTION: Okay... are you willing to meet with him if you are elected president?

MCCAIN: I am willing to meet with any leader who is dedicated to the same principles and philosophy that we are for human rights, democracy and freedom, and I will stand up to those that do not.

Dick Bull
09-18-2008, 11:54 AM
Here is the transcript. Does this make sense to you. It is kind of incoherent

Here is the transcript of the radio interview:
QUESTION: Senator, finally, let's talk about Spain. If you're elected president, would you be willing to invite President Jose Luiz Rodriguez Zapatero to the White House to meet with you?

MCCAIN: I would be willing meet, uh, with those leaders who our friends [sic] and want to work with us in a cooperative fashion, and by the way, President Calderon of Mexico is fighting a very very tough fight against the drug cartels. I'm glad we are now working in cooperation with the Mexican government on the Merida plan. I intend to move forward with relations, and invite as many of them as I can, those leaders, to the White House.

QUESTION: Would that invitation be extended to the Zapatero government, to the president itself?

MCCAIN: I don't, you know, honestly I have to look at relations and the situations and the priorities, but I can assure you I will establish closer relations with our friends and I will stand up to those who want to do harm to the United States of America.

QUESTION: So you have to wait and see if he's willing to meet with you, or you'll be able to do it in the White House?
MCCAIN: Well again I don't, all I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the hemisphere that are friends with us, and standing up to those who are not, and that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America, and the entire region.

QUESTION: Okay... what about Europe I'm talking about the President of Spain?

MCCAIN: What about me what?

QUESTION: Okay... are you willing to meet with him if you are elected president?

MCCAIN: I am willing to meet with any leader who is dedicated to the same principles and philosophy that we are for human rights, democracy and freedom, and I will stand up to those that do not.

personally
I think it just sounds unprepared for the question

Donger
09-18-2008, 11:55 AM
Here is the transcript. Does this make sense to you. It is kind of incoherent

Here is the transcript of the radio interview:
QUESTION: Senator, finally, let's talk about Spain. If you're elected president, would you be willing to invite President Jose Luiz Rodriguez Zapatero to the White House to meet with you?

MCCAIN: I would be willing meet, uh, with those leaders who our friends [sic] and want to work with us in a cooperative fashion, and by the way, President Calderon of Mexico is fighting a very very tough fight against the drug cartels. I'm glad we are now working in cooperation with the Mexican government on the Merida plan. I intend to move forward with relations, and invite as many of them as I can, those leaders, to the White House.

QUESTION: Would that invitation be extended to the Zapatero government, to the president itself?

MCCAIN: I don't, you know, honestly I have to look at relations and the situations and the priorities, but I can assure you I will establish closer relations with our friends and I will stand up to those who want to do harm to the United States of America.

QUESTION: So you have to wait and see if he's willing to meet with you, or you'll be able to do it in the White House?
MCCAIN: Well again I don't, all I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the hemisphere that are friends with us, and standing up to those who are not, and that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America, and the entire region.

QUESTION: Okay... what about Europe I'm talking about the President of Spain?

MCCAIN: What about me what?

QUESTION: Okay... are you willing to meet with him if you are elected president?

MCCAIN: I am willing to meet with any leader who is dedicated to the same principles and philosophy that we are for human rights, democracy and freedom, and I will stand up to those that do not.

Makes sense to me.

beer bacon
09-18-2008, 12:00 PM
Makes sense to me.

Why don't you explain how it makes sense.

jAZ
09-18-2008, 12:02 PM
There are 3 options (or some bizarre combination) here.

1) McCain sees Spain as an enemy: When asked directly about Spain he replies with "Honestly, I have to analyze our relationships" (not a good start) and ends with "I will stand up to those who want to harm the United States".

2 & 3) McCain doesn't know that Spain is in Europe or understand that Zapatero is not a leader of some Latin American rogue nation: When told that he is being asked about Spain, McCain replies "All I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the Hemisphere that are friends with us and standing up to those who are not. And that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America and the entire region."

Donger
09-18-2008, 12:05 PM
There are 3 options (or some bizarre combination) here.

1) McCain sees Spain as an enemy: When asked directly about Spain he replies with "Honestly, I have to analyze our relationships" (not a good start) and ends with "I will stand up to those who want to harm the United States".

2 & 3) McCain doesn't know that Spain is in Europe or understand that Zapatero is not a leader of some Latin American rogue nation: When told that he is being asked about Spain, McCain replies "All I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the Hemisphere that are friends with us and standing up to those who are not. And that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America and the entire region."

Unless I'm mistaken, both Spain and Latin America are both in the western hemisphere.

And, it sounds like McCain does know who Zapatero is, and simply doesn't like the fact that he's rather anti-American and pro-socialist.

Amnorix
09-18-2008, 12:08 PM
Makes sense to me.

Are you on drugs?

Chief Henry
09-18-2008, 12:08 PM
WOW, Obama said their are 57 states. He's embarrising the nation already with out being in office !!!

Donger
09-18-2008, 12:08 PM
Are you on drugs?

No.

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 12:10 PM
Makes sense to me.

LMAO

Cmon he starts talking about Mexico and drug cartels wtf does that to do with Spain?

Donger
09-18-2008, 12:11 PM
LMAO

Cmon he starts talking about Mexico and drug cartels wtf does that to do with Spain?

Spain, Mexico. Same thing.

Dick Bull
09-18-2008, 12:15 PM
Spain, Mexico. Same thing.

ROFL

to a retard

mlyonsd
09-18-2008, 12:16 PM
LMAO

Cmon he starts talking about Mexico and drug cartels wtf does that to do with Spain?

What's the natural language of Mexico? Typical McCain, drill right down to the crux of the problem.

ROYC75
09-18-2008, 12:24 PM
Are you on drugs?


I am, it's a bitch to work on some days too ........

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 12:27 PM
Spain, Mexico. Same thing.

LMAO

LMAO


They all speak spanish = equal

LMAO You are too funny Donger

tiptap
09-18-2008, 12:29 PM
Now you know why Donger confuses England, Canada and the US.

Mr. Kotter
09-18-2008, 12:35 PM
Unless I'm mistaken, both Spain and Latin America are both in the western hemisphere.

And, it sounds like McCain does know who Zapatero is, and simply doesn't like the fact that he's rather anti-American and pro-socialist.

For those of you hooting it up, why is this not a reasonable explanation? :shrug:

Honestly, that makes at least as much sense as jAZ's joke of a thread title.

Donger
09-18-2008, 12:35 PM
LMAO

LMAO


They all speak spanish = equal

LMAO You are too funny Donger

I was kidding, of course. I reads like McCain didn't want to talk about Zapatero, so he wandered over to Mexico.

But, I still don't understand how jAZ came up with either of the three items in his thread title.

tiptap
09-18-2008, 12:42 PM
For those of you hooting it up, why is this not a reasonable explanation? :shrug:

Honestly, that makes at least as much sense as jAZ's joke of a thread title.
You do know Donger is wrong about Mexico and Spain both being in the Western Hemisphere

tiptap
09-18-2008, 12:43 PM
I'd hope it was tongue and cheek but considering Donger's usual style it is a wash to know if that is true.

Donger
09-18-2008, 12:45 PM
You do know Donger is wrong about Mexico and Spain both being in the Western Hemisphere

Really?

Mr. Kotter
09-18-2008, 12:45 PM
I'd hope it was tongue and cheek but considering Donger's usual style it is a wash to know if that is true.


Are you drunk?

:spock:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hemisferio_Oeste.png

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 12:46 PM
For those of you hooting it up, why is this not a reasonable explanation? :shrug:

Honestly, that makes at least as much sense as jAZ's joke of a thread title.

I don't get why he was asked about Spain he started talking about Mexico and Latin America does that make any sense other than both speaking the same language.

I just don't get why people can't admit he had a senior moment and move on. He is going to have alot of these moments and he has had alot already.

As far as Jaz title goes I agree it was over the top but I can't complain since I have been accused of doing the same thing and have been called a dumb shit :)

Mr. Kotter
09-18-2008, 12:48 PM
I don't get why he was asked about Spain he started talking about Mexico and Latin America does that make any sense other than both speaking the same language.

I just don't get why people can't admit he had a senior moment and move on. He is going to have alot of these moments and he has had alot already.

As far as Jaz title goes I agree it was over the top but I can't complain since I have been accused of doing the same thing and have been called a dumb shit :)

:rolleyes:

57 states, right...eh?

irishjayhawk
09-18-2008, 12:49 PM
:rolleyes:

57 states, right...eh?

You are really bad at trying to play Mr. Middle Man.

HolmeZz
09-18-2008, 12:51 PM
McCain probably caught that episode of the Colbert Report when Stephen put Spain in the Axis of Evil.

tiptap
09-18-2008, 12:53 PM
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/c17099.htm

How far do you want to go with this argument?
-- Antigua and Barbuda
-- Argentina
-- Bahamas
-- Barbados
-- Belize
-- Bolivia
-- Brazil
-- Canada
-- Chile
-- Colombia
-- Costa Rica
-- Cuba
-- Dominica
-- Dominican Republic
-- Ecuador
-- El Salvador
-- Grenada
-- Guatemala
-- Guyana
-- Haiti
-- Honduras
-- Jamaica
-- Mexico
-- Nicaragua
-- Panama
-- Paraguay
-- Peru
-- Saint Kitts and Nevis
-- Saint Lucia
-- Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
-- Suriname
-- Trinidad and Tobago
-- Uruguay
-- Venezuela

U.S. Department of State
USA.gov U.S. Department of State

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 12:54 PM
:rolleyes:

57 states, right...eh?

The problem is Rob he was asked several times in a row about this and still was confused.

But I think I know why he was confused. This interview was done by a Miami-based Union Radio which is a Spanish language radio station.

Mr. Kotter
09-18-2008, 12:54 PM
You are really bad at trying to play Mr. Middle Man.

Personally, I don't think the 57 states thing was a big deal either. :shrug:

But, neither is this.

However, I find the hypocritical treatment of the topic by some to be silly--assinine, really.

Expecting others to be similarly fair-minded though, is apparently asking too much.

irishjayhawk
09-18-2008, 12:55 PM
Personally, I don't think the 57 states thing was a big deal either. :shrug:

But, neither is this.

However, I find the hypocritical treatment of the topic by some to be silly--assinine, really.

Expecting others to be similarly fair-minded though, is apparently asking too much.

How so?

Mr. Kotter
09-18-2008, 12:56 PM
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/c17099.htm

How far do you want to go with this argument?

The bottom-line is that Spain is considered part of the Western hemisphere.

Geographers certainly teach it that way. The Prime Meridian is the dividing line.

Geopolitical and politcally-correct reconstruction of the notion of the Western hemisphere....notwithstanding.

jAZ
09-18-2008, 12:57 PM
I was kidding, of course. I reads like McCain didn't want to talk about Zapatero, so he wandered over to Mexico.

But, I still don't understand how jAZ came up with either of the three items in his thread title.
For someone who didn't want to talk about Zapatero, he sure had a lot of hostile things to say in response to a direct question about him.

Oh, and Spain isn't in Latin America.

tiptap
09-18-2008, 12:57 PM
But we are talking politically not some arbitray geographic designation because the British rather than the French or Americans got the meridian.

Mr. Kotter
09-18-2008, 12:58 PM
How so?

I didn't jump on the 57 state comment by Obama; to have done so would have been silly.

OTOH, those who seem to be jumping on McCain for this, were noticeably absent in their criticism of Obama for his misstatement.

Donger
09-18-2008, 12:59 PM
For someone who didn't want to talk about him, he sure had a lot of hostile things to say in response to a direct question about him.

Oh, and Spain isn't in Latin America.

He didn't say it was.

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:00 PM
He didn't say it was.

By that standard he didn't say it was part of the Western Hemisphere either, but you don't bother nitpicking that detail when it suits you.

Mr. Kotter
09-18-2008, 01:00 PM
But we are talking politically not some arbitray geographic designation because the British rather than the French or Americans got the meridian.

I'm quite certain that McCain was, in his day, taught the geological (and more well known....especially in his day) reference to the "Western Hemisphere."

He grew up before cold war consideration caused some to redraw "the map."

mlyonsd
09-18-2008, 01:00 PM
Really?

I did not know Spain and the UK were technically considered to be in two hemispheres. Thanks for the lesson. I'm going home and quiz my 13 year old.

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 01:01 PM
To be fair to McCain according to Wikipedia Spain is part of both the Western and Eastern Hemisphere as is France and a few others. I honestly didn't know that so I learned something new today

irishjayhawk
09-18-2008, 01:02 PM
I didn't jump on the 57 state comment by Obama; to have done so would have been silly.

OTOH, those who seem to be jumping on McCain for this, were noticeably absent in their criticism of Obama for his misstatement.

Welcome to politics.

Donger
09-18-2008, 01:03 PM
I did not know Spain and the UK were technically considered to be in two hemispheres. Thanks for the lesson. I'm going home and quiz my 13 year old.

The old Prime Meridian cuts through Spain, and I think there's a sliver of extreme eastern Spain that falls into the East.

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:03 PM
I didn't jump on the 57 state comment by Obama; to have done so would have been silly.

OTOH, those who seem to be jumping on McCain for this, were noticeably absent in their criticism of Obama for his misstatement.

This caused a bit of an interestional incident. He was seen as having had very hostile things to say about an ally... and people are just hoping that he was merely confused.

whatsmynameagain
09-18-2008, 01:04 PM
WOW, Obama said their are 57 states. He's embarrising the nation already with out being in office !!!

"the fundamentals of our economy are strong"

"in what respect, charlie!!!"


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Donger
09-18-2008, 01:04 PM
By that standard he didn't say it was part of the Western Hemisphere either, but you don't bother nitpicking that detail when it suits you.

No need to get all snooty. You made up a title that isn't supported. No big deal.

Mr. Kotter
09-18-2008, 01:05 PM
To be fair to McCain according to Wikipedia Spain is part of both the Western and Eastern Hemisphere as is France and a few others. I honestly didn't know that so I learned something new today

Depends on what one means by the "Western Hemisphere".....

although it's not quite as ambiguous as a term like, say....."the Bush Doctrine," as of course what, precisely....it means, depends on who you are talking to. Of course, such ambiguity in that term didn't stop anyone from ridiculing Palin on her gaffe.

;)

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 01:11 PM
Depends on what one means by the "Western Hemisphere".....

although it's not quite as ambiguous as a term like, say....."the Bush Doctrine," as of course what, precisely....it means, depends on who you are talking to. Of course, such ambiguity in that term didn't stop anyone from ridiculing Palin on her gaffe.

;)

McCain was right Palin had no clue that is the difference.

She did herself no favors by having the deer in the headlights look and say "In what respect Charlie?" That is all anyone will remember from that interview. She could have said something about preemptive strikes and wars to protect America and she would have been given a pass because that is essentially what the Bush Doctrine is.

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:13 PM
No need to get all snooty. You made up a title that isn't supported. No big deal.
This is what you get when Donger can't defend his own words.

Donger
09-18-2008, 01:15 PM
By that standard he didn't say it was part of the Western Hemisphere either, but you don't bother nitpicking that detail when it suits you.

When told that he is being asked about Spain, McCain replies "All I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the Hemisphere that are friends with us and standing up to those who are not. And that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America and the entire region."

What hemisphere do you think he's talking about?

HolmeZz
09-18-2008, 01:15 PM
"McCain is still holding a grudge after being held as a POW during the Spanish-American War."

mlyonsd
09-18-2008, 01:16 PM
"McCain is still holding a grudge after being held as a POW during the Spanish-American War."

:LOL: Brutal.

Donger
09-18-2008, 01:17 PM
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/c17099.htm

How far do you want to go with this argument?
-- Antigua and Barbuda
-- Argentina
-- Bahamas
-- Barbados
-- Belize
-- Bolivia
-- Brazil
-- Canada
-- Chile
-- Colombia
-- Costa Rica
-- Cuba
-- Dominica
-- Dominican Republic
-- Ecuador
-- El Salvador
-- Grenada
-- Guatemala
-- Guyana
-- Haiti
-- Honduras
-- Jamaica
-- Mexico
-- Nicaragua
-- Panama
-- Paraguay
-- Peru
-- Saint Kitts and Nevis
-- Saint Lucia
-- Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
-- Suriname
-- Trinidad and Tobago
-- Uruguay
-- Venezuela

U.S. Department of State
USA.gov U.S. Department of State

Did you even bother to look at that? It isn't a list of all the countries in the Western Hemisphere...

Donger
09-18-2008, 01:17 PM
This is what you get when Donger can't defend his own words.

Care to defend these?

"Suggest NATO ally is enemy, doesn't know Spain or it's PM"

HC_Chief
09-18-2008, 01:17 PM
This is what you get when Donger can't defend his own words.

Huh? You're the one who posted a thread with a complete bullshit title.

For anyone who wants a clearer picture, check out this article on Yahoo: http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080918/wl_time/didmccaindissspain

The Miami-based Spanish-speaking station was interviewing McCain. The Zapatero question came up immediately following questions wrt Bolivia, Venezuela, and Cuba.

Perhaps that explains why McCain would interject Latin America into the discussion. It also, once again, says a lot about CONTEXT (or lack thereof) in jAz's posts.

tiptap
09-18-2008, 01:19 PM
When told that he is being asked about Spain, McCain replies "All I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the Hemisphere that are friends with us and standing up to those who are not. And that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America and the entire region."

What hemisphere do you think he's talking about?

Obviously no hemisphere but talking about the New World of North and Latin America since that is what he said.

mlyonsd
09-18-2008, 01:21 PM
McCain was right Palin had no clue that is the difference.

She did herself no favors by having the deer in the headlights look and say "In what respect Charlie?" That is all anyone will remember from that interview. She could have said something about preemptive strikes and wars to protect America and she would have been given a pass because that is essentially what the Bush Doctrine is.

I'll remember she made Gibson look like the punk interviewer he was acting like. She asked a perfectly legit question.

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:30 PM
When told that he is being asked about Spain, McCain replies "All I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the Hemisphere that are friends with us and standing up to those who are not. And that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America and the entire region."

What hemisphere do you think he's talking about?
Since he never specifices which Hemisphere he means directly, we have no evidence to support any inference.

On the other hand, he speaks directly of the Latin American region.

So given the range of things one might assume about he words... the only one with any evidence is that he thinks Spain is part of Latin America.

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:31 PM
Care to defend these?

"Suggest NATO ally is enemy, doesn't know Spain or it's PM"
It's like Groundhog Day all over again.

There are 3 options (or some bizarre combination) here.

1) McCain sees Spain as an enemy: When asked directly about Spain he replies with "Honestly, I have to analyze our relationships" (not a good start) and ends with "I will stand up to those who want to harm the United States".

2 & 3) McCain doesn't know that Spain is in Europe or understand that Zapatero is not a leader of some Latin American rogue nation: When told that he is being asked about Spain, McCain replies "All I can tell you is that I have a clear record of working with leaders in the Hemisphere that are friends with us and standing up to those who are not. And that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America and the entire region."

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:33 PM
For anyone who wants a clearer picture...

It also, once again, says a lot about CONTEXT (or lack thereof) in jAz's posts.

Or you could actually listen to the interview yourself in the video I posted in the opening post.

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:37 PM
It's like Groundhog Day all over again.

I guess the 4th option is the "Palin" alternative, which is that maybe he was confused and didn't want to be seen as ignorant. In that case, it appears he chose making statements that caused a bit of international incident rather than just asked her to clarify her question (even though she tried to lead him to the question repeatedly).

HC_Chief
09-18-2008, 01:38 PM
I guess the 4th option is the "Palin" alternative, which is that maybe he was confused and didn't want to be seen as ignorant. In that case, it appears he chose making statements that caused a bit of international incident rather than just asked her to clarify her question (even though she tried to lead him to the question repeatedly).

lol @ "a bit of an international incident". Hyperbole anyone?

Donger
09-18-2008, 01:39 PM
I guess the 4th option is the "Palin" alternative, which is that maybe he was confused and didn't want to be seen as ignorant. In that case, it appears he chose making statements that caused a bit of international incident rather than just asked her to clarify her question (even though she tried to lead him to the question repeatedly).

Or a 5th option, that jAZ reads an interview and creates a thread with a title that is based on supposition and interpretation.

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 01:40 PM
The Miami-based Spanish-speaking station was interviewing McCain. The Zapatero question came up immediately following questions wrt Bolivia, Venezuela, and Cuba.

Perhaps that explains why McCain would interject Latin America into the discussion.

I pointed that out earlier and I suspect that is what happened. He got confused and had a senior moment. No big deal it is just kind of funny.

Dick Bull
09-18-2008, 01:41 PM
Or a 5th option, that jAZ reads an interview and creates a thread with a title that is based on supposition and interpretation.


Hey here's a 6th option....

We take all the illegal immigrants and ship them to Spain, since they're the same. Let's see them bastards swim that river.

:D

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:41 PM
lol @ "a bit of an international incident". Hyperbole anyone?

Not even remotely.

He is refusing to welcome the Spainish PM to the WH and in doing so he's connecting him to Latin American enemies. He might have been mistaken, but this is not a trivial collection of comments by any means.

BigCatDaddy
09-18-2008, 01:41 PM
Or a 5th option, that jAZ reads an interview and creates a thread with a title that is based on supposition and interpretation.

Jaz? No way.

HC_Chief
09-18-2008, 01:41 PM
Hey here's a 6th option....

We take all the illegal immigrants and ship them to Spain, since they're the same. Let's see them bastards swim that river.

:D

lol
Now that is some funny shit right there :thumb:

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 01:42 PM
I'll remember she made Gibson look like the punk interviewer he was acting like. She asked a perfectly legit question.

I don't like Gibson at all but we can agree to disagree on her performance or lack thereof in regards to that one question

dirk digler
09-18-2008, 01:42 PM
Hey here's a 6th option....

We take all the illegal immigrants and ship them to Spain, since they're the same. Let's see them bastards swim that river.

:D

LMAO

jAZ
09-18-2008, 01:42 PM
Or a 5th option, that jAZ reads an interview and creates a thread with a title that is based on supposition and interpretation.
At least mine is easily justified as evidenced by McCain's own words... unlike your "Western" assertions.

orange
09-18-2008, 02:33 PM
For someone who didn't want to talk about Zapatero, he sure had a lot of hostile things to say in response to a direct question about him.


I'm tempted to do a "FYP" here, but I'm above that sort of thing. ;)

But as you yourself said, McCain's unwillingness to speak directly about his feelings about Zapatero clearly demonstrates that he (McCain) certainly KNOWS SPAIN AND IT'S PM and his (Zapatero's) relative anti-Americanism.

In complete contradiction to your claim in the thread title.


Oh, and Spain isn't in Latin America.

But the relationship is close enough that an interviewer in Miami, in an interview ABOUT LATIN AMERICA, brought Spain up; and McCain deflected a question he didn't want to answer by referring back to countries he'd already talked about just moments before.

orange
09-18-2008, 02:42 PM
McCain's Spain-Gaffe Interviewer: McCain Not Confused, Just Ducking Question
By Greg Sargent - September 18, 2008, 12:10PM


I just got off the phone with the Miami reporter who interviewed John McCain and elicited the Spain-goof answer that we've been writing about on the front page of TPM -- an interview in which McCain appeared to grow confused about who his interviewer was talking about.

She tells me she doesn't believe that McCain didn't know who Prime Minister Zapatero is or where Spain was. Instead, she believes that McCain was deliberately ducking the question of whether he'd meet with the Spanish Prime Minister.

"I didn't get the impression that he didn't know who Zapatero was or where Spain was," the reporter, Yoli Cuello, told me. "Honestly, what I thought was that he didn't want to answer the question with a yes or no answer."

Pressed on why McCain would keep seguing into a discussion of Latin America if he knew who she was talking about, Cuello said: "I think because I was talking with him before about Latin America. He was not giving me a straight answer. I wasn't expecting a straight answer."

Asked why she thought McCain would duck the question, she said: "The policies regarding Iraq. Because he's a Republican. The [Bush] administration doesn't have good relations with Zapatero."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/mccains_spaingaffe_interviewer.php

orange
09-18-2008, 02:58 PM
As for "pulling a Palin" -

I present an exchange from earlier this year about "the Bush Doctrine." They seem to disagree about what exactly "the Bush Doctrine" is.

See if you can name PERSON A and PERSON B.

PERSON A: And let me start with you, PERSON B, because it was you who said, in your foreign policy speech, that you would go into Western Pakistan, if you had actionable intelligence, to go after him, whether or not the Pakistani government agreed. You stand by that?

PERSON B: I absolutely do stand by it, PERSON A. What I said was that we should do everything in our power to push and cooperate with the Pakistani government in taking on Al Qaeda, which is now based in northwest Pakistan. And what we know from our national intelligence estimates is that Al Qaeda is stronger now than at any time since 2001.

And so, back in August, I said we should work with the Pakistani government, first of all to encourage democracy in Pakistan, so you've got a legitimate government that we're working with, and secondly, that we have to press them to do more to take on Al Qaeda in their territory. What I said was, if they could not or would not do so, and we had actionable intelligence, then I would strike....


PERSON A: I'm going to go to the others in a moment, but what you just outlined is essentially the Bush doctrine: We can attack if we want to, no matter the sovereignty of the Pakistanis.

PERSON B: No, that is not the same thing, because here we have a situation where Al Qaeda, a sworn enemy of the United States, that killed 3,000 Americans and is currently plotting to do the same, is in the territory of Pakistan. We know that.

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Now see if you can identify the Website that posted this exchange, as well as the following commentary:

But by asserting that Person B's policy on Pakistan is "essentially the Bush doctrine," Person A was claiming that there is in fact a clear Bush doctrine on the question of whether the U.S. would strike Al Qaeda in Pakistan regardless of the sovereignty of Pakistan. Bush and administration officials have in fact made inconsistent statements on this issue.

HolmeZz
09-18-2008, 03:57 PM
Is it me or does this thread now have a distinct smell of sandy vag?

orange
09-18-2008, 03:59 PM
Is it me or does this thread now have a distinct smell of sandy vag?

Both - it has a smell of sandy vag AND it's YOU.

HolmeZz
09-18-2008, 04:00 PM
Why'd you take offense to my comment? I guess you think it must be you.

Guru
09-18-2008, 04:13 PM
jAZ, how on earth did you read that and even contemplate the thread title you wrote?
Because he will take anything and bend it to suit his own purposes.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-18-2008, 04:18 PM
He doesn't know who Zapatero is. I don't think it's much worse than that. The problem stems from the fact that instead of admitting he doesn't know who he is, he started rambling like a student who doesn't know the answer, hoping that he was going to happen upon a train of thought that would somehow lead to a satisfying answer.

Simply Red
09-18-2008, 04:35 PM
:popcorn:

Cannibal
09-18-2008, 04:46 PM
You are really bad at trying to play Mr. Middle Man.

Agreed. It's a bullshit act so he can try to be popular with the Right Wing twaaats on this board.

Logical
09-18-2008, 06:31 PM
Wow, McCain is already embarassing our nation without even holding the office.

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http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1842156,00.htmlDuring an interview in Miami earlier this week with Spanish-language station Union Radio, a reporter asked McCain whether, if elected, he would receive (Spanish prime minister José Luis Rodríguez) Zapatero in the White House. McCain answered, "Honestly, I have to analyze our relationships, situations, and priorities, but I can assure you that I will establish closer relationships with our friends, and I will stand up to those who want to harm the United States."

[...]

When the questioner said, "Now let's talk of Spain" and asked whether he'd invite Zapatero, McCain responded with a vague statement that he would meet "with those leaders who are our friends" and then cited Mexican president Felipe Calderon as an example. The questioner tried several more times to steer the Senator back to a clear answer on Spain, but he never directly addressed it, saying: "What I would say is that my record is that of someone who has worked in a friendly atmosphere with those who are our friends and faced up to those who aren't."

From this, much of the Spanish press has concluded that the Republican candidate, who hails himself as the experienced foreign policy choice in this election, confused Spain — a NATO member and key ally in the fight against terrorism — with one of those troublesome Latin American states. That was certainly the interviewer's impression, for she followed up with a gentle reminder that Spain was a country in Europe. As Spanish newspaper El País put it, "In the best-case scenario, [his answer] demonstrates his ignorance with respect to Zapatero."

[...]

As for Zapatero himself, the prime minister is apparently taking this latest attack to his ego with characteristic equilibrium. McCain may not know who Spain's leader is, but Zapatero promised to work with the new administration "whatever it is." If it was not so pathetic it would be funny. I wonder how Sarah is going to fix that, tape his mouth shut, or gut him like a moose.

RINGLEADER
09-18-2008, 07:14 PM
McCain is going to screw up. Obama is going to screw up. I doubt Obama wants to go toe-to-toe with McCain on the issue. Then again, if he does well, he might be able to reduce McCain's 20-point lead on that particular issue. LOL

No, Obama should stay focused on the economy and hope it stays bad for another 7 weeks.