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dirk digler
09-19-2008, 08:02 AM
Excellent article IMHO. All Bush is doing is doing is sitting around waiting for his term to end. He is possibly the worst POTUS in the history of this country.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13579.html

Where’s George? The president, I mean.

You remember him. Dubya. No. 43. Won a second term a few years ago. It was in all the papers.

But where has he been lately? Where has he been during America’s worst financial crisis since the Great Depression?

Nowhere. AWOL. Every now and then, when the stock market takes yet another sickening plunge, a few words issue forth from the presidential lips. A very few words. Delivered with the greatest reluctance.

“I will continue to closely monitor the situation in our financial markets and consult with my economic advisers,” President Bush said Thursday in a two-minute address from the Rose Garden.

That’s right, two minutes. Delivered, according to the official White House transcript, from 10:15 a.m. EDT to 10:17 a.m. EDT. Maybe you missed it. Maybe you were at work. Maybe the president doesn’t care.

Maybe that’s the problem.

George W. Bush will continue to draw a paycheck until noon on Jan. 20, 2009. (If there is still any money left in the U.S. Treasury to pay him, that is.) But what has he been doing to earn his pay lately? Not calming fears among his fellow citizens about their life savings, that’s for sure.

On Monday, the Dow Jones industrial average dropped 504 points, its worst drop since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But Bush did not address the nation that night.

Instead, he held a state dinner for the president of Ghana. Gratin of Maine lobster, late-summer corn pudding, ginger-scented farm lamb and graham cracker crumble with cocoa pod shell was served. Eleven members of the cast of “The Lion King” came down from Broadway and performed. It was quite a bash. The Washington Post described President Bush and Ghanaian President John Kufuor as “ebullient.”

I have nothing against Ghana. I have been to Ghana. I really liked the people there. And considering President Kufuor had Bush over for dinner in February when Bush was in Ghana, Bush was only being polite. (To honor Bush in February, Kufuor renamed a local highway the “George Bush Motorway.” Bush did not return the favor this week, perhaps because he intends to sell the naming rights to our federal highways for quick cash.)

The toast President Bush gave to President Kufuor Monday was 383 words long. Bush’s Rose Garden address to the nation Thursday on the financial crisis was 263 words long.

Could this be a case of misplaced priorities? Do you think?

We are talking about a real crisis in America that is going to turn into a real panic unless the president does something. Modern presidents have assumed duties beyond their constitutional ones, and one duty is to provide guidance and leadership that establish calm and restore confidence in times of trouble. George Bush did this very well following Sept. 11, but he is not doing it now.

The stock market swoons, home prices fall, job losses mount. But the president does not want to talk about it. Not really. And he certainly does not want to take any questions about it.

He has not taken any questions on anything since Aug. 6. On Wednesday his press secretary, Dana Perino, explained why. “If you guys [i.e., reporters] had him in here, almost everything would be geared towards the election, and he is cognizant of that,” Perino said. “I mean, every time that I would think about maybe having a press conference, the news of the day would be such that we might be talking about lipstick on a pig, and the president is just not going to get involved in it.”

In other words, the president is not going to get involved with restoring public confidence in our financial system because he is afraid somebody might ask him a question about politics. And because he doesn’t want to talk about politics (and why doesn’t he, considering he is supporting John McCain?), he won’t talk about anything.

Does this make any sense? Calm any fears? Soothe any troubled minds?

Does the president have a magic wand that can make the current crisis go away? No. That is my point. Because the president lacks a magic wand, he must use the tools at his disposal, one of which is the bully pulpit.

He needs to sit down behind that big desk in the Oval Office and have a formal address to this nation. Then he needs to hold a news conference and answer questions, even the unpleasant ones.

And if he wants to have “The Lion King” performed afterward, fine.

mlyonsd
09-19-2008, 08:12 AM
Stupid article. What do you want him to do, give a speech an hour telling you things are going to be ok?

He is in the oval office working out the details between his staff and congress. Right where he should be.

Stupid article.

Ultra Peanut
09-19-2008, 08:14 AM
He can't handle the pressure of being a QB in the NFL.

KC Jones
09-19-2008, 08:15 AM
He is possibly the worst POTUS in the history of this country.

still better than Kerry or Gore would have been! [/moron]

Jenson71
09-19-2008, 08:17 AM
Three questions come to mind:

1. Does the president have any real authority to do anything at this point about this?
2. Do we really want him involved?

And

3. Why is Harry Reid so damn concerned about making sure Congress doesn't have to go a day longer than scheduled?

"Everyone that holds things up must be very, very careful that they're not holding up our getting out of here on the time that we should," Reid said.

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=41002&dcn=todaysnews

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 08:31 AM
Stupid article. What do you want him to do, give a speech an hour telling you things are going to be ok?

He is in the oval office working out the details between his staff and congress. Right where he should be.

Stupid article.

There is alot of things he can do. He could actually look like he gives a damn and he could reassure Americans that he is doing everything humanly possible to fix the mess.

This reminds me of what happened when Katrina hit. He came off as aloof and that he didn't care. Maybe that is his style. But you have to question why 75% of Americans hate him.

Mecca
09-19-2008, 08:32 AM
There is alot of things he can do. He could actually look like he gives a damn and he could reassure Americans that he is doing everything humanly possible to fix the mess.

This reminds me of what happened when Katrina hit. He came off as aloof and that he didn't care. Maybe that is his style. But you have to question why 75% of Americans hate him.

I'm sure he will tell you Bush is a better president than Clinton was....

mlyonsd
09-19-2008, 08:36 AM
I'm sure he will tell you Bush is a better president than Clinton was....

In what respect?

jidar
09-19-2008, 08:36 AM
I'm no fan of GWB, but seriously I would not want his opinion on this, and finding out that he is working on it at all would scare the shit out of me.
I prefer it this way.

Hoover
09-19-2008, 08:36 AM
Pelosi and Reed want to go home, they are much worse

Mr. Kotter
09-19-2008, 08:36 AM
Gosh, a second term lame-duck President.....working with a Congress that the other party controls? :spock:

And nothing's "getting done?" Wow. That hasn't happened since fall of.....gosh, 2000. :hmmm:

Mecca
09-19-2008, 08:37 AM
In what respect?

Well this should be amusing.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 08:38 AM
Three questions come to mind:

1. Does the president have any real authority to do anything at this point about this?
2. Do we really want him involved?

And

3. Why is Harry Reid so damn concerned about making sure Congress doesn't have to go a day longer than scheduled?

"Everyone that holds things up must be very, very careful that they're not holding up our getting out of here on the time that we should," Reid said.

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=41002&dcn=todaysnews

To answer your question Jenson I think there is alot that he could do. Instead of sending his Treasury Sec down to Capitol Hill alone he should have tagged along and been part of the negotiations to get this fixed. Having him sit at the table with leaders of Congress and having images and sound of him leading this would go along way in reassuring Americans.

penchief
09-19-2008, 08:41 AM
Well, nobody said he was FDR.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 08:42 AM
Gosh, a second term lame-duck President.....working with a Congress that the other party controls? :spock:

And nothing's "getting done?" Wow. That hasn't happened since fall of.....gosh, 2000. :hmmm:

That is why people hate this Congress and POTUS because they can't get past the petty bs to actually fix anything.

Now it is going to cost us taxpayers over $1 trillion dollars to get the mess cleaned up.

chiefforlife
09-19-2008, 08:42 AM
The President of Guano having dinner with the President of Ghana. Nice.

Mecca
09-19-2008, 08:43 AM
That is why people hate this Congress and POTUS because they can't get past the petty bs to actually fix anything.

Now it is going to cost us taxpayers over $1 trillion dollars to get the mess cleaned up.

Remember Bush is a uniter not a divider!

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 08:46 AM
Remember Bush is a uniter not a divider!

LMAO That didn't work out so well

KILLER_CLOWN
09-19-2008, 08:51 AM
Also don't forget Bush abhors big government, yup yup yup.

Mecca
09-19-2008, 08:51 AM
LMAO That didn't work out so well

I think you guys should be happy I've brought my brand of entertainment over to DC.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 08:52 AM
I think you guys should be happy I've brought my brand of entertainment over to DC.

I am. We need some entertainment over here since most of the guys\gals on this side of the board don't have a good sense of humor

Mr. Kotter
09-19-2008, 08:53 AM
That is why people hate this Congress and POTUS because they can't get past the petty bs to actually fix anything.

Now it is going to cost us taxpayers over $1 trillion dollars to get the mess cleaned up.

Actually, there is a large per centage of us that would just as soon the feds stay as far away from MOST things, in MOST instances.....because, more often than not, they screw things up rather than fixing them.

That said, when elements of society refuse to "fix" themselves....healthcare, and this finanacial crisis cluster***k...the we, and the "private sector".....leave the government little choice but to intervene. Too bad it too often takes a crisis, before we get any real resolution to some real problems.

bkkcoh
09-19-2008, 08:57 AM
Three questions come to mind:

1. Does the president have any real authority to do anything at this point about this?
2. Do we really want him involved?

And

3. Why is Harry Reid so damn concerned about making sure Congress doesn't have to go a day longer than scheduled?

"Everyone that holds things up must be very, very careful that they're not holding up our getting out of here on the time that we should," Reid said.

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=41002&dcn=todaysnews


Exactly, what is truly sad is the fact that congress leadership is doing even less, at least on the surface.

But people were complaining about when the president goes on vacation, he doesn't ever really go on vacation, and that doesn't make any difference which party is in the oval office.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 09:07 AM
Exactly, what is truly sad is the fact that congress leadership is doing even less, at least on the surface.

But people were complaining about when the president goes on vacation, he doesn't ever really go on vacation, and that doesn't make any difference which party is in the oval office.

Congress' approval rating (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance/congressional_performance)is 1/3rd of the President's.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-19-2008, 09:15 AM
Congress' approval rating (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance/congressional_performance)is 1/3rd of the President's.

True because everyone thought if they elected a democratically controlled congress they would reel Bush in, whereas they became just as corrupted as the current administration.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 09:20 AM
There is alot of things he can do. He could actually look like he gives a damn and he could reassure Americans that he is doing everything humanly possible to fix the mess.

This reminds me of what happened when Katrina hit. He came off as aloof and that he didn't care. Maybe that is his style. But you have to question why 75% of Americans hate him.


Your perception that the President needs to tell you everything that is going is goes beyond common sense. Just what is it that you feel he needs to share with us?

1. He is a lame duck president.

2. He is most likely dealing with issues relating the the current situation.

3. Katrina. What did you want him to do? Run to N.O. and wade through the water to show concern? FEMA was staged outside the area WAITING for the request from the Gov. of LA.

4. People hate him? Liberals hate him, others have lost confidence in his ability to lead the country.

I have never read anything written regarding the responsibility of the President to get our approval for decisions. You are just pissed off because you he makes decisions. You also miss the fact that he does not go overboard defending his decisions, they are his to make and live with the repercussions of those decisions.

I seriously doubt you will ever see a President ask your permission whether to support his actions while he is in office, even should it be your beloved Obama.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 09:21 AM
The invisible President Bush will address the nation in 20 minutes.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 09:22 AM
True because everyone thought if they elected a democratically controlled congress they would reel Bush in, whereas they became just as corrupted as the current administration.

They were always corrupt, it just took Nasty Pelosi in charge to bring it to the surface.

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:23 AM
The invisible President Bush will address the nation in 20 minutes.


are they gonna throw white paint on his face so we can see him?

Mecca
09-19-2008, 09:23 AM
are they gonna throw white paint on his face so we can see him?

Those Peta people are crazy!

Programmer
09-19-2008, 09:24 AM
The invisible President Bush will address the nation in 20 minutes.


Don't confuse them KCJ.

Mecca
09-19-2008, 09:26 AM
Don't confuse them KCJ.

He couldn't confuse a retarded chimp....

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:28 AM
He couldn't confuse a retarded chimp....


Chimp or Monkey? It's well documented that I can't tell the difference.

Mecca
09-19-2008, 09:29 AM
Chimp or Monkey? It's well documented that I can't tell the difference.

Ah man it doesn't matter.......have some pie.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-19-2008, 09:30 AM
They were always corrupt, it just took Nasty Pelosi in charge to bring it to the surface.

Yes I know, but we have to bring this to the attention to those who expect change in a BO presidency.

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:30 AM
Ah man it doesn't matter.......have some pie.

Pie good:rockon:

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:31 AM
Yes I know, but we have to bring this to the attention to those who expect change in a BO presidency.

So we should stick to what we know because we believe change will never happen?

Mecca
09-19-2008, 09:33 AM
So we should stick to what we know because we believe change will never happen?

That's about like when they say shit like "well see the republicans got us in this mess and they're the ones that know how to get us out"

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:35 AM
That's about like when they say shit like "well see the republicans got us in this mess and they're the ones that know how to get us out"

Exactly. :thumb:

BigRedChief
09-19-2008, 09:37 AM
The longer he sits on his hands and does nothing the better for us.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 09:37 AM
The invisible President Bush will address the nation in 20 minutes.

Hello he did that yesterday and spoke for a whole 3 minutes.

Hopefully he will break that record and actually take questions.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-19-2008, 09:38 AM
So we should stick to what we know because we believe change will never happen?

No not all, both sides need to realise no matter which of the two puppets reach the whitehouse we will get more of the same.

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:38 AM
The longer he sits on his hands and does nothing the better for us.

Whatever

We need us some Bush talking Economology.

:D

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:39 AM
No not all, both sides need to realise no matter which of the two puppets reach the whitehouse we will get more of the same.

Perhaps

Perhaps not.


So we shouldn't try?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-19-2008, 09:43 AM
Perhaps

Perhaps not.


So we shouldn't try?

Sure help expose the two party system and vote for a 3rd party candidate. ;)

Programmer
09-19-2008, 09:43 AM
He couldn't confuse a retarded chimp....

Are you confused retarded chimp?

Mecca
09-19-2008, 09:43 AM
Whatever

We need us some Bush talking Economology.

:D

I'm personally not a fan of Bush.....get the razor.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 09:44 AM
Chimp or Monkey? It's well documented that I can't tell the difference.

Must be confused. Take your pick, you are probably interchangeable.

Mecca
09-19-2008, 09:45 AM
Are you confused retarded chimp?

If you'd venture into the actual football part of this forum you'd realize what kind of mind Johnny has.....and isn't good.

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:45 AM
Sure help expose the two party system and vote for a 3rd party candidate. ;)

The only way a 3rd party would have a shot of winning is if we banned election advertising.

Friendo
09-19-2008, 09:45 AM
Perhaps

Perhaps not.


So we shouldn't try?

Socialism is the debbil

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:45 AM
Must be confused. Take your pick, you are probably interchangeable.

Wow was that necessary?

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 09:47 AM
Socialism is the debbil


Lets talk about debbilology

tiptap
09-19-2008, 09:47 AM
So what is stated here is that there has never been an effective President. Or you have to go back to far to be fair in comparison. We lower the expectation because the present President is so dismal. So why don't you all stay at home and not vote.

Mecca
09-19-2008, 09:49 AM
So what is stated here is that there has never been an effective President. Or you have to go back to far to be fair in comparison. We lower the expectation because the present President is so dismal. So why don't you all stay at home and not vote.

Now one of them is going to say Ronald Reagan......that's about enough to make me vomit how conservatives act like he is one of the all time great presidents.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-19-2008, 09:49 AM
The only way a 3rd party would have a shot of winning is if we banned election advertising.

Probably true, among many other things, which is why we need RADICAL change. Lets just hope this radical change does not have to be too late or too violent.

tiptap
09-19-2008, 09:54 AM
I would puke too except I do acknowledge that President was effective for his cause and therefore argues that the President with the right scope of skills and judgment would make a difference.

Friendo
09-19-2008, 09:58 AM
Lets talk about debbilology

Jesus was a Socialist...and a pretty fair Economist too.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 10:02 AM
If you'd venture into the actual football part of this forum you'd realize what kind of mind Johnny has.....and isn't good.

You seem to be under the impression that I unconditionally support what he says. That is not the case, however I do see some of what he says is valid.

Most posters here have valuable comments at times, but they also say some stupid shit from time to time. There are no posters immune to being stupid from time to time.

Your perception of Johnny is colored by your disdain for his POV regarding religion and military service, as is the perception of most of the liberals here. The point is that he is serving and is proud of what he is doing just as you are most likely proud of the job you currently do.

Those that have served are members for life of a fraternity that have developed core values the continue with them in their civilian lives. If you listen to many here the core values are nothing more than brainwashing. I think differently of the values I picked up there than the liberal base here. I'm often taken to task regarding my service, that's OK. Their comments do not diminish what I did or what I do now.

Chief Faithful
09-19-2008, 10:08 AM
True because everyone thought if they elected a democratically controlled congress they would reel Bush in, whereas they became just as corrupted as the current administration.

Nasty Pelosi, swap queen.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 10:12 AM
You seem to be under the impression that I unconditionally support what he says. That is not the case, however I do see some of what he says is valid.

Most posters here have valuable comments at times, but they also say some stupid shit from time to time. There are no posters immune to being stupid from time to time.

Your perception of Johnny is colored by your disdain for his POV regarding religion and military service, as is the perception of most of the liberals here. The point is that he is serving and is proud of what he is doing just as you are most likely proud of the job you currently do.

Those that have served are members for life of a fraternity that have developed core values the continue with them in their civilian lives. If you listen to many here the core values are nothing more than brainwashing. I think differently of the values I picked up there than the liberal base here. I'm often taken to task regarding my service, that's OK. Their comments do not diminish what I did or what I do now.

His absolutely stupid football takes have nothing to do with religion or military service. He is just an idiot on the topic.

penchief
09-19-2008, 10:19 AM
You seem to be under the impression that I unconditionally support what he says. That is not the case, however I do see some of what he says is valid.

Most posters here have valuable comments at times, but they also say some stupid shit from time to time. There are no posters immune to being stupid from time to time.

Your perception of Johnny is colored by your disdain for his POV regarding religion and military service, as is the perception of most of the liberals here. The point is that he is serving and is proud of what he is doing just as you are most likely proud of the job you currently do.

Those that have served are members for life of a fraternity that have developed core values the continue with them in their civilian lives. If you listen to many here the core values are nothing more than brainwashing. I think differently of the values I picked up there than the liberal base here. I'm often taken to task regarding my service, that's OK. Their comments do not diminish what I did or what I do now.

Nobody is criticizing him for his military service. He acts as if his service and his faith make his opinions more valid, which they don't. KCJohnny is a self-righteous, holier-than-thou type who behaves like his opinions are truth because his military service and his faith make it so. When in reality he can be very ignorant and very intolerant of any information that contradicts his "knowledge." Even when that information is well established as factual.

It's okay for people to be ignorant and closed-minded. But it's not okay for them to use their service or their faith to present their ignorance and closed-mindedness as a virtue. His service and his faith make him no more virtuous than the rest of us. In fact, his continued efforts to tout his virtue through his service and his faith in order cast his opinions as truth make him less than honorable, IMO.

HonestChieffan
09-19-2008, 10:28 AM
Bush hate knows no bounds.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 10:31 AM
His absolutely stupid football takes have nothing to do with religion or military service. He is just an idiot on the topic.

I may make a fool of myself on football opinions which are in the end meaningless, but I do not conduct personal attacls on fellow posters as you just did.

I make my living in the Army and as a religious professional. Regardless of what you think of my opinions on what the Chiefs should do on 3rd and 7, I have real credentials that resonate with many Chiefs fans on this website.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 10:31 AM
Bush hate knows no bounds.

:rolleyes:

I don't hate Bush and why does Bill O'Reilly hate Bush?

From yesterday

He’s done. He’s through. … He will now go down in history…as an ineffectual leader. And I’ll tell you the reason why, it’s poor leadership on his part. The people that he picked to run certain things have been disastrous. And no leadership and now Americans are getting hurt.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 10:32 AM
Nobody is criticizing him for his military service. He feels that his service and his faith make his opinions more valid, which they don't. KCJohnny is a self-righteous, holier-than-thou type who feels his opinions are truth because his military service and his faith make it so. When in reality he can be very ignorant and very intolerant of any information that contradicts his "knowledge." Even when that information is well established as factual.

It's okay for people to be ignorant and closed-minded. But it's not okay for them to use their service or their faith to present their ignorance and closed-mindedness as a virtue. His service and his faith make him no more virtuous than the rest of us. In fact, his continued efforts to tout his virtue through his service and his faith in order cast his opinions as truth make him less than honorable, IMO.

You have no right to say "what I feel". You are not God Almighty and you do not know my feelings.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 10:36 AM
I may make a fool of myself on football opinions which are in the end meaningless, but I do not conduct personal attacls on fellow posters as you just did.

I make my living in the Army and as a religious professional. Regardless of what you think of my opinions on what the Chiefs should do on 3rd and 7, I have real credentials that resonate with many Chiefs fans on this website.

If you think calling you an idiot on football topics is a personal attack..well you are an idiot then. Your opinions on football make Hootie sound like Bill Walsh.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 10:40 AM
If you think calling you an idiot on football topics is a personal attack..well you are an idiot then. Your opinions on football make Hootie sound like Bill Walsh.

At least I have not done you the same disservice.

Football = entertainment.

Real life = what really matters.

Chief Henry
09-19-2008, 10:43 AM
You have no right to say "what I feel". You are not God Almighty and you do not know my feelings.


KCJ,


PC is a f'n jerk. The sooner you learn that the better.

CH

keg in kc
09-19-2008, 10:47 AM
Not the first time he's gone AWOL in his life. Daddy can't make the nasty paperwork disappear on this one, though.

Too bad he didn't vanish about 8 years ago.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 10:48 AM
At least I have not done you the same disservice.

Football = entertainment.

Real life = what really matters.

I have not done you any disservice all I did was state the truth.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 10:50 AM
KCJ,


PC is a f'n jerk. The sooner you learn that the better.

CH

Thanks, Hank. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Some people just go out of their way to attack the person and not his views.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 10:51 AM
Not the first time he's gone AWOL in his life. Daddy can't make the nasty paperwork disappear on this one, though.

Too bad he didn't vanish about 8 years ago.

So, he is AWOL? Who was that on MSNCB a little while ago addressing the Nation?

You need to figure out that the President, regardless of who he is, is not accountable to you as what he does on a daily basis, nor is your accounting of his actions accurate.

I think that you need to get off the high horse and take a look at reality.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 10:51 AM
I have not done you any disservice all I did was state the truth.

You personally insulted me, and claim that is truth. Shall I do the same?

Bear witness to the worthiness of your claim, and beware of the pernicious ramifications of ad hominem attacks.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 10:53 AM
Not the first time he's gone AWOL in his life. Daddy can't make the nasty paperwork disappear on this one, though.

Too bad he didn't vanish about 8 years ago.

He's kept you safe for the past 7 years despite your attempts to undermine his efforts on behalf of a safe United States.

penchief
09-19-2008, 10:55 AM
You have no right to say "what I feel". You are not God Almighty and you do not know my feelings.

If you don't feel that way then why do you behave that way? Why do you insist on beating us over the head with your superior attitude? Why do you completely disregard the facts that fly in the face of your opinions so that you can continue to act as if your opinions are truth.

I'll tell you what. You're right. I'll edit my post to change that word from "feel" to "act."

But it still doesn't change the fact that the only thing you leave people with is pointing out how useless it is to discuss things with you because you refuse to acknowledge anything that contradicts what you're trying to preach.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 10:58 AM
I'll tell you what. You're right.

:thumb:

keg in kc
09-19-2008, 11:00 AM
So, he is AWOL? Who was that on MSNCB a little while ago addressing the Nation?

You need to figure out that the President, regardless of who he is, is not accountable to you as what he does on a daily basis, nor is your accounting of his actions accurate.

I think that you need to get off the high horse and take a look at reality.No, I don't think he's AWOL, and the less I see of him the better.

Much like you.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 11:00 AM
You personally insulted me, and claim that is truth. Shall I do the same?

Bear witness to the worthiness of your claim, and beware of the pernicious ramifications of ad hominem attacks.

LMAO

Go ahead I am a big boy I can handle it. I have had many people here call me a dumbshit and all kinds of names about my views but you don't hear me crying about it.

You have stupid idiotic football takes. you know it, I know it, and the whole board knows it.

I respect your opinions on other topics just not football. Sorry if that hurts your sandy vagina

penchief
09-19-2008, 11:01 AM
You have no right to say "what I feel". You are not God Almighty and you do not know my feelings.

And by the way, you still haven't condemned McCain and Palin for claiming to know what was in Obama's heart by saying that he puts his ambition above his country. Palin said again yesterday that Obama's message of change is designed only to advance his career.

Are you ever going to condemn them for playing God Almighty and presuming to know what is in Obama's heart? Or are you going to continue behaving like a hypocrite?

keg in kc
09-19-2008, 11:02 AM
Oh look, Proctor on one of his passive-aggressive chest-thumping crusades. Never seen that before.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 11:02 AM
Nobody is criticizing him for his military service. He acts as if his service and his faith make his opinions more valid, which they don't.

You need to read more of the responses to his posts. There are members making comments that criticize and trivialize his service.

If you have no faith you can't really speak of what part of his faith is valid and what it has to do with the topic at hand.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 11:03 AM
Maybe I should start a poll. I wonder what the outcome would be LMAO

Programmer
09-19-2008, 11:05 AM
No, I don't think he's AWOL, and the less I see of him the better.

Much like you.

That was just ignorant, but it goes with your mentality.

Bush has addressed the Nation three times this week. How does that rate being AWOL?

If you don't want to read my opinions, don't respond. The weakness is in you, not me.

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 11:08 AM
Oh look, Proctor on one of his passive-aggressive chest-thumping crusades. Never seen that before.

When all else fails, attack the debater himself.

This is a great example of contemporay democratic politics.

After 40,000 posts keg, we wonder what else you have seen. Apparently not much beyond the groupthink of Chiefs Planet where your "rep" is at the top of the list.

That makes you the guru of Chiefs Planet groupthink.

PLEASE denounce me!

ROFL

keg in kc
09-19-2008, 11:11 AM
That was just ignorant, but it goes with your mentality.

Bush has addressed the Nation three times this week. How does that rate being AWOL?

If you don't want to read my opinions, don't respond. The weakness is in you, not me.I guess your reading comprehension is switched off, since I believe I just said "No, I don't think he's AWOL".

Maybe you could get a 6-year old to help you out with that. It already sounds like you have one typing up your posts, maybe you could get her to do double-duty, and read all the replies to you. Maybe she could try to translate everything into words with fewer syllables, so you can get a better grasp on what's being said.

Always here to help!

penchief
09-19-2008, 11:11 AM
When all else fails, attack the debater himself.

This is a great example of contemporay democratic politics.

After 40,000 posts keg, we wonder what else you have seen. Apparently not much beyond the groupthink of Chiefs Planet where your "rep" is at the top of the list.

That makes you the guru of Chiefs Planet groupthink.

PLEASE denounce me!

ROFL

Are you going to answer my question about McCain and Palin playing God Almighty by claiming to know that Obama's motives are dishonorable?

Or are you going to continue acting like a major hypocrite?

keg in kc
09-19-2008, 11:13 AM
Oh look, Proctor's attacking me now. Oh whatever will I do.

I know: I think I'll ignore him.

dirk digler
09-19-2008, 11:15 AM
Oh look, Proctor's attacking me now. Oh whatever will I do.

I know: I think I'll ignore him.

And it was a personal attack at that. What a hypocrite.

PunkinDrublic
09-19-2008, 11:32 AM
still better than Kerry or Gore would have been! [/moron]

I hope you're being sarcastic. You're not really that stupid right?

KCJohnny
09-19-2008, 11:42 AM
And it was a personal attack at that. What a hypocrite.

Come now. You do have 40,000 posts, you have the top 'rep' placement on Chiefs Planet, and you know that consensus is an indicator of groupthink.

How is that a personal attack, especially in contrast with the nasty, accusatory posts you have levied at me?

penchief
09-19-2008, 11:55 AM
Come now. You do have 40,000 posts, you have the top 'rep' placement on Chiefs Planet, and you know that consensus is an indicator of groupthink.

How is that a personal attack, especially in contrast with the nasty, accusatory posts you have levied at me?

Are you going to answer my question or not? This is exactly why people make comments about your behavior. Because you don't respond to questions or points that refute your unfounded claims or your biased opinions. You just keep on making those claims and acting as if your opinions are truth.

So here we go, again. Why haven't you condemned McCain and Palin for playing God Almighty when they claim to know what is in Obama's heart by presuming to know that his motive is ambition and not country?

If you don't answer the question you realize that you are only reinforcing the claims made against you that you find so offensive, right?

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 02:30 PM
Programmer,

I'm starting to think you just like to argue.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 02:56 PM
I guess your reading comprehension is switched off, since I believe I just said "No, I don't think he's AWOL".

Maybe you could get a 6-year old to help you out with that. It already sounds like you have one typing up your posts, maybe you could get her to do double-duty, and read all the replies to you. Maybe she could try to translate everything into words with fewer syllables, so you can get a better grasp on what's being said.

Always here to help!

You may want to check your reading skills. The thread subject is:
President Bush Goes AWOL.

Your comments were insignificant, still in the basic structure of the thread.

As for your insults, it seems you, like most of the liberals here, attack the poster when you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.

You couldn't help anyone on your best days.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 03:00 PM
Programmer,

I'm starting to think you just like to argue.

Not really, but when you say things that are obviously wrong or overly biased I comment.

I do think you just like to argue, you are eyeball deep in every argument in this forum.

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 03:08 PM
Not really, but when you say things that are obviously wrong or overly biased I comment.

I do think you just like to argue, you are eyeball deep in every argument in this forum.

Nice deflection. Really? Please show me any argument I've partaked in the last 2 days, please. Of those 2 days you've launched personal attacks against me in 2 posts. I've said nothing at all.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 03:11 PM
Nice deflection. Really? Please show me any argument I've partaked in the last 2 days, please. Of those 2 days you've launched personal attacks against me in 2 posts. I've said nothing at all.

A whole two days, WOW, JF WOW!

Get over yourself, you know you are here to argue, just look at your quoted post.

Chief Faithful
09-19-2008, 03:11 PM
KCJohnny is a self-righteous, holier-than-thou type who behaves like his opinions are truth

This is really funny coming from you.

penchief
09-19-2008, 03:13 PM
This is really funny coming from you.

Explain. I have my opinions but I'm willing to stand in the middle of a lot of criticisms and defend them. I don't make claims that I'm not willing to back up and I don't use my life experiences to insist that my opinions are superior.

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 03:14 PM
A whole two days, WOW, JF WOW!

Get over yourself, you know you are here to argue, just look at your quoted post.


Okay. I'm obviously not as angry as you.

Kinda sad really.

BigMeatballDave
09-19-2008, 03:15 PM
He's got 4 months left in office. Who gives a shit? He's probably doing the EXACT thing Clinton was 8 years ago. Squat.

Calcountry
09-19-2008, 03:15 PM
Three questions come to mind:

1. Does the president have any real authority to do anything at this point about this?
2. Do we really want him involved?

And

3. Why is Harry Reid so damn concerned about making sure Congress doesn't have to go a day longer than scheduled?

"Everyone that holds things up must be very, very careful that they're not holding up our getting out of here on the time that we should," Reid said.

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=41002&dcn=todaysnews
Because he is a coward.

BigMeatballDave
09-19-2008, 03:17 PM
I think you guys should be happy I've brought my brand of entertainment over to DC.Yeah, you should really stick to football...

Programmer
09-19-2008, 03:17 PM
Okay. I'm obviously not as angry as you.

Kinda sad really.

Angry? Reading your shit is more comic relief than anything.

You are inexperienced but feel you have the world by the balls.

Just ain't so.

mlyonsd
09-19-2008, 03:19 PM
But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid cited what may the more compelling reason for leaving town — "No one knows what to do."


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,425107,00.html

Programmer
09-19-2008, 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Jenson71 http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5033996#post5033996)
Three questions come to mind:

1. Does the president have any real authority to do anything at this point about this?
2. Do we really want him involved?

And

3. Why is Harry Reid so damn concerned about making sure Congress doesn't have to go a day longer than scheduled?

"Everyone that holds things up must be very, very careful that they're not holding up our getting out of here on the time that we should," Reid said.

Because he is a coward.

And afraid to face the issues that will be the damnation of the liberals.

The closer we get to the election the wilder this crap is going to get.

The best news of all is that the more shit they shovel out the more falls into the grave with them.

tiptap
09-19-2008, 03:24 PM
Will I am all for the Republicans staying in DC like before and protesting for a vote on something made up on the spot. There is no political reason for me wishing that they aren't back home campaigning. None whatsoever.

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 03:25 PM
Angry? Reading your shit is more comic relief than anything.

You are inexperienced but feel you have the world by the balls.

Just ain't so.

Alright, enough with your attacks. The problem with you, sir, is you are miserable. I suggest getting some help, because it is not normal to get this much satisfaction irritating people.

You know nothing of me, but pretend that you do. Obviously, you think it makes you sound intelligent however it makes you sound bitter and ignorant.

In short get off the computer and get a friend, because it sounds like you need one.

BigMeatballDave
09-19-2008, 03:28 PM
The only way a 3rd party would have a shot of winning is if we banned election advertising.Thats not it at all. Most people are blind sheep. Democrat-Republican. Same old shit. As popular as Obama is, had he run as an Independent, most of the Obamabots would be voting for Hilary.

memyselfI
09-19-2008, 03:28 PM
Excellent article IMHO. All Bush is doing is doing is sitting around waiting for his term to end. He is possibly the worst POTUS in the history of this country.

His absence and Karl Rove's recent remarks lead me to believe the CONS have read the tea leaves and have decided losing this election might not be a bad idea after all.

Might as well slink out of town while everyone is so entranced and enthralled with the 'historical' nature of the new POTUS that they take a while to realize just how fugged they still are even with a 'regime' change. By the time they truly get it NObama and the DEMS will be knee deep in sh*t with no idea and no mandate to fix a damn thing.

BigMeatballDave
09-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Now one of them is going to say Ronald Reagan......that's about enough to make me vomit how conservatives act like he is one of the all time great presidents.I'm sure you know all about Reagan. You were a child during the 80's, right?

Programmer
09-19-2008, 03:33 PM
Alright, enough with your attacks. The problem with you, sir, is you are miserable. I suggest getting some help, because it is not normal to get this much satisfaction irritating people.

You know nothing of me, but pretend that you do. Obviously, you think it makes you sound intelligent however it makes you sound bitter and ignorant.

In short get off the computer and get a friend, because it sounds like you need one.

Let's see, you sling shit and then are upset because I respond in kind.

I suggest that you learn what irony is, you might find your responses of late the pure description of the word.

You may need to realize that nobody is here to make friends. If your concept of friends are faceless people on the internet you need to get out more than GoChiefs needs to get out of his mother's basement.

Just in the responses you've have made in the past 30 minutes I'd say that you are very bitter and ignorant beyond measure.

penchief
09-19-2008, 03:35 PM
I'm sure you know all about Reagan. You were a child during the 80's, right?

I was old enough to remember. Reagan is who made me realize that republicans didn't care about governing on behalf of the people. The neocons of today are nothing more than the descendants of the original Reagan neocons.

The republican party's perpetuation of imperialism abroad, corporate supremacy at home, trickle down economics, whittling away at the middle class, undermining the labor force, bankrupting government, undermining economic and environmental regulations, and subverting our constitutional rights all have their roots in the Reagan revolution.

Calcountry
09-19-2008, 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Jenson71 http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5033996#post5033996)
Three questions come to mind:

1. Does the president have any real authority to do anything at this point about this?
2. Do we really want him involved?

And

3. Why is Harry Reid so damn concerned about making sure Congress doesn't have to go a day longer than scheduled?

"Everyone that holds things up must be very, very careful that they're not holding up our getting out of here on the time that we should," Reid said.



And afraid to face the issues that will be the damnation of the liberals.

The closer we get to the election the wilder this crap is going to get.

The best news of all is that the more shit they shovel out the more falls into the grave with them.
Shiver me timbers Matthews kept shouting through the answer of his Republican guest the other night. One last chance to blame everything on Bush.

Heck, they might as well, I mean, he is responsible for 9/11, the war in Iraq, screwing the war up in Afghanistan, not getting Ben ladin, the bad economy he inherited from Clinton, the bad econonymy when there was 4.8% unemployment, the bad economy now, Hurricane Katrina, the governments inability to keep people dry in thier homes before during and after it, the inability of the government to insure a chicken in every Hurrican Katrina victims pot and a car in their garage. Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush didn't make sure that I could afford my ice cream. It's all his fault.

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 03:38 PM
Let's see, you sling shit and then are upset because I respond in kind.

I suggest that you learn what irony is, you might find your responses of late the pure description of the word.

You may need to realize that nobody is here to make friends. If your concept of friends are faceless people on the internet you need to get out more than GoChiefs needs to get out of his mother's basement.

Just in the responses you've have made in the past 30 minutes I'd say that you are very bitter and ignorant beyond measure.

ROFL

I suppose that would be the conclusion of an angry bitter man.

Furthermore, I'm trying to have a political discussion. My fifth grade teacher put it best when she said "people insult, scream, and call names because they lack the intelligence to carry out a decent conversation" You sir are proof that she was correct.

Calcountry
09-19-2008, 03:40 PM
I was old enough to remember. Reagan is who made me realize that republicans didn't care about governing on behalf of the people. The neocons of today are nothing more than the descendants of the original Reagan neocons.

The republican party's perpetuation of imperialism abroad, corporate supremacy at home, trickle down economics, whittling away at the middle class, undermining the labor force, and subverting our constitutional rights all have their roots in the Reagan revolution.
Reagan made me proud to be an American.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 03:41 PM
Shiver me timbers Matthews kept shouting through the answer of his Republican guest the other night. One last chance to blame everything on Bush.

Heck, they might as well, I mean, he is responsible for 9/11, the war in Iraq, screwing the war up in Afghanistan, not getting Ben ladin, the bad economy he inherited from Clinton, the bad econonymy when there was 4.8% unemployment, the bad economy now, Hurricane Katrina, the governments inability to keep people dry in thier homes before during and after it, the inability of the government to insure a chicken in every Hurrican Katrina victims pot and a car in their garage. Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush didn't make sure that I could afford my ice cream. It's all his fault.

I know what you mean, ain't it a bitch?

Programmer
09-19-2008, 03:44 PM
ROFL

I suppose that would be the conclusion of an angry bitter man.

Furthermore, I'm trying to have a political discussion. My fifth grade teacher put it best when she said "people insult, scream, and call names because they lack the intelligence to carry out a decent conversation" You sir are proof that she was correct.

More personal attacks? And not even on the same thread.

Do you have anything to say regarding the subject of the thread or are you just going to continue to be as your fifth grade teacher taught you?

You see diddy, you are the one that is slinging all the shit.

You attempt to throw it off on others that respond to your posts.

You haven't even attempted to have a political discussion, all you are doing is attacking anything I say.

Have fun in doing so, just shows that you are what you accuse others of being.

BigMeatballDave
09-19-2008, 03:45 PM
I hope you're being sarcastic. You're not really that stupid right?Most people voted AGAINST Kerry, knowing he was a horrible candidate. Even though I'm not a fan of Gore, I could tolerate him. This country is doing a lousy job finding presidential candidates.

penchief
09-19-2008, 03:45 PM
Reagan made me proud to be an American.

Then that explain it. I didn't say they weren't good at PR.

InChiefsHell
09-19-2008, 03:46 PM
What? Bush is nowhere to be found? That's been the man's MO for the last 3 years...

J Diddy
09-19-2008, 03:48 PM
More personal attacks? And not even on the same thread.

Do you have anything to say regarding the subject of the thread or are you just going to continue to be as your fifth grade teacher taught you?

You see diddy, you are the one that is slinging all the shit.

You attempt to throw it off on others that respond to your posts.

You haven't even attempted to have a political discussion, all you are doing is attacking anything I say.

Have fun in doing so, just shows that you are what you accuse others of being.

Whatever helps you sleep through the night. LOL. I am responding to your attacks.

InChiefsHell
09-19-2008, 03:49 PM
Reagan made me proud to be an American.

Goddam right...

penchief
09-19-2008, 03:50 PM
Goddam right...

Yeah, I didn't say they weren't effective at selling the public on a phony bill of goods.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 03:51 PM
What? Bush is nowhere to be found? That's been the man's MO for the last 3 years...

Again, where is it written that the President has to keep you informed of his daily activities? Also, where is it written that you are privvy to the actions of the president in any way shape or form?

Bush is not the best president we have ever had, but he has made some difficult decisions in his terms that have been blasted by the liberals in congress and moreso here. If he were worried about his approval rating he would be on TV daily explaining why he did what pissed you off.

He is doing the job of the President, not the job of keeping you informed and happy with his decisions.

penchief
09-19-2008, 04:02 PM
Again, where is it written that the President has to keep you informed of his daily activities? Also, where is it written that you are privvy to the actions of the president in any way shape or form?

Bush is not the best president we have ever had, but he has made some difficult decisions in his terms that have been blasted by the liberals in congress and moreso here. If he were worried about his approval rating he would be on TV daily explaining why he did what pissed you off.

He is doing the job of the President, not the job of keeping you informed and happy with his decisions.

It's called leadership and he sucks ass.

Programmer
09-19-2008, 04:09 PM
It's called leadership and he sucks ass.

I honestly don't think you would see leadership if it kicked you in the balls.

You just don't agree with his type of leadership.

There was a total lack of leadership in the U.S. before GWB took office.

A leader between '93 and '01 would have mounted some kind of response to the attacks on the U.S. proper and overseas. Clinton did virtually nothing.

Bush responded, maybe not in the best way but there was a response. Bush responded to the financial crisis this week, he did keep the people involved in what was going on and did what was best for the moment.

If you don't see leadership there you really need to do some study of what leadership is all about, it's not about always being right but taking the steps needed at the moment.

Liberals don't see that in Bush, but there are Americans that do see that leadership and know that the President is doing what we need.

penchief
09-19-2008, 04:18 PM
I honestly don't think you would see leadership if it kicked you in the balls.

You just don't agree with his type of leadership.

There was a total lack of leadership in the U.S. before GWB took office.

A leader between '93 and '01 would have mounted some kind of response to the attacks on the U.S. proper and overseas. Clinton did virtually nothing.

Bush responded, maybe not in the best way but there was a response. Bush responded to the financial crisis this week, he did keep the people involved in what was going on and did what was best for the moment.

If you don't see leadership there you really need to do some study of what leadership is all about, it's not about always being right but taking the steps needed at the moment.

Liberals don't see that in Bush, but there are Americans that do see that leadership and know that the President is doing what we need.

Sorry, can't agree with you. Ideology? Yes. Leadership? No.

9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the economy are all classic examples of Bush's lack of leadership.

InChiefsHell
09-20-2008, 12:48 AM
Again, where is it written that the President has to keep you informed of his daily activities? Also, where is it written that you are privvy to the actions of the president in any way shape or form?

Bush is not the best president we have ever had, but he has made some difficult decisions in his terms that have been blasted by the liberals in congress and moreso here. If he were worried about his approval rating he would be on TV daily explaining why he did what pissed you off.

He is doing the job of the President, not the job of keeping you informed and happy with his decisions.

Dude, come on. I voted for Bush twice for shit's sake. And for the last 3 years, he's never once tried to defend himself, he never talks to the nation, he never FIGHTS for anything...leaving us conservatives to come out to Chiefs planet and try to explain to the libs what's what...they take potshots and the guy and he NEVER fights for himself...I'm tired of fighting for a guy who is goddam invisible. I am a conservative...Bush has shown in many ways that he is not...I think the only damn thing he's done right is Iraq and tax cuts...apart from that, I got nothin'...

Sometimes, you gotta explain yourself. he doesn't do that. That doesn't bode well for his leadership skills. I'm sure he's a helluva nice guy. I think he's the worst republican president we've had in a long time...

Programmer
09-20-2008, 07:41 AM
Dude, come on. I voted for Bush twice for shit's sake. And for the last 3 years, he's never once tried to defend himself, he never talks to the nation, he never FIGHTS for anything...leaving us conservatives to come out to Chiefs planet and try to explain to the libs what's what...they take potshots and the guy and he NEVER fights for himself...I'm tired of fighting for a guy who is goddam invisible. I am a conservative...Bush has shown in many ways that he is not...I think the only damn thing he's done right is Iraq and tax cuts...apart from that, I got nothin'...

Sometimes, you gotta explain yourself. he doesn't do that. That doesn't bode well for his leadership skills. I'm sure he's a helluva nice guy. I think he's the worst republican president we've had in a long time...

The point is that regardless of what you, or anyone else, thinks the President is making decisions. They are bound to make people unhappy (check his ratings). If the President were to defend his every move there would be more hate and discontent among a certain grouping of people. It would be an exercise in futility and an exercise that is not needed IMO.

Leadership is not defined as making a decision and then going out for a populariaty poll to see how you did. You make a decision and live with the consequences of your actions, good or bad.

GWB is not the best President, but the liberals hate him with every ounce of their being, HE MUST BE DOING SOMETHNG RIGHT!

J Diddy
09-20-2008, 07:43 AM
Dude, come on. I voted for Bush twice for shit's sake. And for the last 3 years, he's never once tried to defend himself, he never talks to the nation, he never FIGHTS for anything...leaving us conservatives to come out to Chiefs planet and try to explain to the libs what's what...they take potshots and the guy and he NEVER fights for himself...I'm tired of fighting for a guy who is goddam invisible. I am a conservative...Bush has shown in many ways that he is not...I think the only damn thing he's done right is Iraq and tax cuts...apart from that, I got nothin'...

Sometimes, you gotta explain yourself. he doesn't do that. That doesn't bode well for his leadership skills. I'm sure he's a helluva nice guy. I think he's the worst republican president we've had in a long time...

I'd venture to say the worst president period.

Programmer
09-20-2008, 07:52 AM
Sorry, can't agree with you. Ideology? Yes. Leadership? No.

9/11, Iraq, Katrina, and the economy are all classic examples of Bush's lack of leadership.

You are going to have to break all of them down to explain your POV.

1 - 9/11 During a time when the country was under attack he did what any good President would do. He did not have a knee jerk reaction. He gathered information and addressed the nation with a plan, where is the lack in leadership there?

2 - Katrina. Days before Katrina came ashore the President told the Governor of Louisiana and the POS mayor of N.O. to evacuate. Neither gave the order. There was continual prodding by the President to evacuate. They chose not to issue the order. After the storm moved through the President offered help and they delayed accepting the offer. FEMA was standing by and waiting. The issues you seem to be elluding to are State issues. The fed was not the #1 course of action. Katrina was worse for the area and people due to the state falling flat on their ass.

3 - Economy. During this administration the economy has been relatively good, compare it to the 8 years of Clinton. The unemployment rate has been below 5% on an average. from 2001 to date. This is inspite of 9/11, Katrina and the current oil price situation.

Programmer
09-20-2008, 07:52 AM
I'd venture to say the worst president period.

You'd be wrong. Jimmy Carter was worse that GWB could ever be considered.

J Diddy
09-20-2008, 07:54 AM
You'd be wrong. Jimmy Carter was worse that GWB could ever be considered.

No

I'm not.

Programmer
09-20-2008, 07:57 AM
No

I'm not.

Do you remember our people in IRAN? Carter wanted to talk them out, just like your boy Obama!

Carter's heart was in the right place but Jimmy couldn't lead a pig to slop.

tiptap
09-20-2008, 09:51 AM
Remind us how and when those people did get out of Iran?

Programmer
09-20-2008, 09:55 AM
Remind us how and when those people did get out of Iran?

Why did it take 444 days? How many lives were lost in the botched attempt? Officially the people were released during Reagan's administration. (if only by minutes)

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-20-2008, 09:56 AM
Why did it take 444 days? How many lives were lost in the botched attempt? Officially the people were released during Reagan's administration. (if only by minutes)

Because GHWB organized for their release until after the elections in Paris.

banyon
09-20-2008, 10:23 AM
Three questions come to mind:

1. Does the president have any real authority to do anything at this point about this?
2. Do we really want him involved?

And

3. Why is Harry Reid so damn concerned about making sure Congress doesn't have to go a day longer than scheduled?

"Everyone that holds things up must be very, very careful that they're not holding up our getting out of here on the time that we should," Reid said.

http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=41002&dcn=todaysnews

Apparently there is, since all of this taxpayer money was committed without a whit of Congressional action.

Programmer
09-20-2008, 10:46 AM
Because GHWB organized for their release until after the elections in Paris.

How about some links.

Shaid
09-20-2008, 11:02 AM
still better than Kerry or Gore would have been! [/moron]

You've got to be kidding me. I think Kerry and Gore were pathetic options as well but Bush is a complete ****ing moron that has been Big Oil's puppet for 8 years. He inherited a Budget Surplus and promptly turned it into the worse Deficit we have had EVER. At least with Gore we'd probably be further along with alternate energy development and everyday American people could afford to live. Let's see, more money in their pocket probably would also mean less defaulting on loans, etc. as well which of course s the main reason the economy is shit. Bush sat on his ass and allowed oil companies to make record profits. He sat on his ass and allowed foreign powers in the middle east to come in to the US and buy out major corporations with the surplus money they had. He's made our country the most hated in the world. Yeah, I'd say Bush is a pretty unbeleivably awful president and every member of the Republican paarty should be completely willing to admit that by now