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penguinz
09-25-2008, 03:55 PM
Pakistan says its troops fired warning shots at two Nato helicopters as they crossed the border from Afghanistan.
It is the first time the Pakistan army has admitted opening fire near US or Nato forces, as tension grows over cross border military action.

Nato said its aircraft were not in Pakistani airspace when shots were fired over Khost province.

The Pentagon said they were US helicopters and that Pakistan would have to explain what had happened.

Chief Pakistani military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas said that the helicopters had "crossed into our territory in Ghulam Khan area".

"They passed over our checkpost so our troops fired warning shots," he said.

He added that the matter was being taken up with the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) in Kabul.

'Flares' fired

However, Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, appeared to contradict his military spokesman, insisting that his troops had only fired "flares" to warn the helicopters they were near the Pakistan border.

The BBC's Syed Shoaib Hasan, in Islamabad, says that the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is very unclear.

There is an imaginary border called the Durand line which each side marks differently.

Our correspondent says that, in reality, the border is marked by a 3-4km (1-2 mile) stretch of no man's land.

Pakistan says that this is its territory and Afghanistan makes similar claims.

In a statement, Isaf said its helicopters had received small-arms fire from a Pakistan military checkpoint along the border near Tanai district, Khost, on 25 September "while conducting routine operations in Afghanistan".

"At no time did Isaf helicopters cross into Pakistani airspace," it added.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said: "The flight path of the helicopters at no point took them over Pakistan."

He said US and Nato officials were speaking to their Pakistani counterparts to determine what had happened and to ensure there was no recurrence.

"The Pakistanis have to provide us with a better understanding of why this took place," he said.

Local tribesmen in the area told the BBC that two helicopters were trying to cross into Pakistani territory near Ghulam Khan, in North Waziristan, when Pakistani troops at posts near the border fired at them.

There are currently two Western military operations in Afghanistan - a US-led coalition and the Nato-led Isaf mission.

It appears the helicopters involved in Thursday's incident were US OH-58 reconnaissance aircraft operating under the Nato flag.

The BBC's Martin Patience, in Kabul, says it is believed to be the first time Nato helicopters have been fired on in this fashion.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7635893.stm

the Talking Can
09-25-2008, 03:58 PM
sorry, mccain can't deal with that right now...tell pakistan he's busy...

SBK
09-25-2008, 04:00 PM
Our helicopters should have fired a few "warning" shots back at em.

Taco John
09-25-2008, 04:07 PM
We need to cancel Sarah Palin's interview with Teen Beat magazine to deal with this crisis. McCain will be suspending the campaign until he can get to Pakistan for a photo op.

chiefforlife
09-25-2008, 04:59 PM
We need to cancel Sarah Palin's interview with Teen Beat magazine to deal with this crisis. McCain will be suspending the campaign until he can get to Pakistan for a photo op.

ROFL

StcChief
09-25-2008, 05:22 PM
just level the whole area.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-25-2008, 05:55 PM
We need to cancel Sarah Palin's interview with Teen Beat magazine to deal with this crisis. McCain will be suspending the campaign until he can get to Pakistan for a photo op.

friggin hilarious! ;)

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-25-2008, 06:07 PM
just level the whole area.

Just a question...

Let's say that the Canadian government decided that urban street culture was causing an increase in violence among their own citizens and demanded that we turn over all of our inner city black youths to them. We say we'll handle it, and it's our own business. The Canadians then send helicopters across the border to have special forces root out some of these undesirable elements. Upon crossing the border, our military fires warning shots at them.

Should Canada then have leeway to attack us?

bango
09-25-2008, 07:03 PM
I can not say it enough times. We need to invade iran and Turkey. Maybe we should include Tajikistan to be on the safe side. These things would come to an end if we did.

Mr. Laz
09-25-2008, 07:05 PM
I can not say it enough times. We need to invade iran and Turkey. Maybe we should include Tajikistanto be on the safe side. These things would come to an end if we did.

:spock:

irishjayhawk
09-25-2008, 09:39 PM
Just a question...

Let's say that the Canadian government decided that urban street culture was causing an increase in violence among their own citizens and demanded that we turn over all of our inner city black youths to them. We say we'll handle it, and it's our own business. The Canadians then send helicopters across the border to have special forces root out some of these undesirable elements. Upon crossing the border, our military fires warning shots at them.

Should Canada then have leeway to attack us?

According to Pat the Rat, this analogy doesn't work.

It's essentially, the same thing as my point that we cannot tell other countries to disarm while not disarming ourselves.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-25-2008, 09:44 PM
According to Pat the Rat, this analogy doesn't work.

It's essentially, the same thing as my point that we cannot tell other countries to disarm while not disarming ourselves.

Because the United States can do no wrong, and the rest of the world is free for us to impinge on their sovereignty.

banyon
09-25-2008, 09:50 PM
Wasn't this one of the rationales the conservatives on this site have used for the Iraq War?

"Saddam fired at UN planes!, We had to strike back!"

So they should be clamoring for a full scale invasion of Pakistan right now, right? :shrug:

bango
09-25-2008, 10:18 PM
:spock:

You are right and not the first to point out that I need to get this Neo-Con thing down before I try to act like one.

patteeu
09-25-2008, 10:37 PM
Just a question...

Let's say that the Canadian government decided that urban street culture was causing an increase in violence among their own citizens and demanded that we turn over all of our inner city black youths to them. We say we'll handle it, and it's our own business. The Canadians then send helicopters across the border to have special forces root out some of these undesirable elements. Upon crossing the border, our military fires warning shots at them.

Should Canada then have leeway to attack us?

It depends. Am I a Canadian?

patteeu
09-25-2008, 10:40 PM
Wasn't this one of the rationales the conservatives on this site have used for the Iraq War?

"Saddam fired at UN planes!, We had to strike back!"

So they should be clamoring for a full scale invasion of Pakistan right now, right? :shrug:

No, you got it wrong. It was

"Saddam fired at US planes!, Retaliation is justified if we decide to take that course of action!"