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HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 06:46 AM
If McCain stays on the job and helps work out the right way to proceed in Washington, will Obama take each issue as planned and just take both sides? He seems very capable of doing that.

Ultra Peanut
09-26-2008, 06:48 AM
If McCain stays on the job and helps work out the right way to proceed in WashingtonBarging in to break up the agreement while committing to no plan in particular and offering no new ideas or insight is definitely the Wildcard's way of getting things done in Washington.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWW

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 06:52 AM
Breaking up an agreement? If it had been agreed on, how would one guy do that? Seems that the "agreement" was not agreed to at all...just a proposal...one of many...and the issue is not breaking up an agreement as much as seeking the right thing to do. The only ones who seem to feel they need to have a hissy fit are Barney "give me the money" Frank and a few other idiots.

Ultra Peanut
09-26-2008, 07:00 AM
He charges in, emboldens the splinter Free Marketeers, and we get... this. Meanwhile, he plays both sides and pretends to be helping.

"I'm helping! I'm helping!"

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g29/Cgekko22/Bizarro.jpg

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 07:03 AM
So you would prefer a bad deal?

penchief
09-26-2008, 07:09 AM
McCain is grandstanding and putting politics first. If he had wanted to be bipartisan he would have agreed to make the joint statement with Obama outlining the major points that both agreed on. Instead he decided to pull another political stunt at the expense of the country's well-being.

How else do you explain the 180 degree turn he did on the issue?

One day he hadn't even read the three-page Paulson Plan and couldn't even give a reasoned response to a reporter's question and the next day he's the most important person in the process.

One day he chides democrats by stating that his vote shouldn't matter when asked by a reporter how he would vote if his vote made the difference, and the next day his presence is so important that he's throwing a monkey wrench into both the bailout process and the presidential campaign.

How do the reports that McCain was the stupidest person at that meeting while saying absolutely nothing of substance jibe with the campaign's narrative that he is going to save the day? Can you say, "contrived?" It's shameful the way the republican party plays politics with a crisis and it's disheartening the way the corporate media and the sheep within the republican party play along.

It's not country first for McCain. It's so obvious that it is "campaign first." And all of you McCainbots are more than willing to turn off your bullshit meters to ensure that we get more of the same destructive leadership that has ****ed this country up.

Thank you very much for your contribution.

tiptap
09-26-2008, 07:13 AM
Why must I entertain the hypothetical? I can wait to see how each man works through this. It will give a reading.

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 07:14 AM
It is grandstanding to return to his job and deal with what Obama has called the greatest crisis since the great depression? Is that grandstanding any more than Obama refusing to go back and help out is just his normal act of voting "present"?

KC Jones
09-26-2008, 07:22 AM
If McCain stays on the job and helps work out the right way to proceed in Washington, will Obama take each issue as planned and just take both sides? He seems very capable of doing that.

We all see things through our personal filters and bias, but this is ****ing absurd. You can't really be so dumb as to think McCain's return to Washinton was 'staying on the job' and that it helped at all. It was a campaign stunt. He was sliding in the polls and he's exhausted just about everything except the Revered Wright commercials (those are being saved I'm sure for the home stretch). So, he tries to paint Obama into a corner and get his VP candidate out of a debate. If Obama also suspends he's following McCain's lead but if Obama doesn't he's 'putting politics first'. It was a bullshit move and a campaign stunt. The democrats have behaved in kind by blaming the deal falling apart on McCain.

Messier
09-26-2008, 07:23 AM
It is grandstanding to return to his job and deal with what Obama has called the greatest crisis since the great depression? Is that grandstanding any more than Obama refusing to go back and help out is just his normal act of voting "present"?

Well first he didn't "rush" to Washington. He took his sweet time going more than 24 hours after he said he's suspending his campaign, which he didn't do, to deal with the crisis. Once there he sat in on a photo op, the same one Obama was at, where everyone else seemed angry because they thought they were going to discuss the bailout, instead they sat there with the president having their pictures taken.

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 07:32 AM
so if all he did was sit in an angry photo op, how did he single handedly derail the so called agreement?

tiptap
09-26-2008, 07:39 AM
He brought up the alternate plan from the House Republican Members. That plus the political candidates themselves introduced cover and suspicion rather than resolution.

penchief
09-26-2008, 07:42 AM
It is grandstanding to return to his job and deal with what Obama has called the greatest crisis since the great depression? Is that grandstanding any more than Obama refusing to go back and help out is just his normal act of voting "present"?

It's grandstanding when it is disingenous. And his behavior for the first several days of the crisis are what proves it is disingenous.

While Obama immediately recognized that the problem was serious and put forth the conditions he felt were important, McCain started out by saying that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. He then tried to cover his ass by saying that by "fundamentals," he meant "worker." Which was clearly bullshit and everybody knew it.

He then decided that the president should fire the head of the SEC. When he found out that the president didn't have that power he said that the head of the FEC (Federal Elections Commission) should resign.

Once he figured out how stupid he sounded by calling for the resignation of the head of the FEC, he decided that the solution was to put together a "blue ribbon panel" to study the problem. Does it sound like he gets it yet?

Then he attacks the NY Times for reporting that his campaign chairman had received over two million dollars from Freddie and Fannie as a lobbyist. Which was true but McCain lied about it.

Then on Tuesday, he tells a reporter that he hasn't even read the Paulson Plan and that his vote shouldn't matter to getting a deal done.

Only after he realized how stupid his comments made him look, and that it was further discovered that his campaign chairman was still collecting $1500 per month as a hedge for access to McCain, and that he was sliding in the polls did John McCain decide that a giant diversion was necessary.

If his presence in the senate were so important he would have been present to vote on something in the past five months instead of nothing. All he did was interject his own campaign interests into the delicate discussions that were taking place. And even republicans are saying that he hasn't been helpful.

It's another stunt. And he's changed the topic from his inability to grasp economic issues, his campaign chairman's ties to lobbying for Wall Street, and his slide in the polls by grandstanding and ultimately putting his campaign before his country.

But you go ahead and lap it up because that's what you're supposed to do.

LOCOChief
09-26-2008, 07:44 AM
McCain is grandstanding and putting politics first. If he had wanted to be bipartisan he would have agreed to make the joint statement with Obama outlining the major points that both agreed on. Instead he decided to pull another political stunt at the expense of the country's well-being.

How else do you explain the 180 degree turn he did on the issue?

One day he hadn't even read the three-page Paulson Plan and couldn't even give a reasoned response to a reporter's question and the next day he's the most important person in the process.

One day he chides democrats by stating that his vote shouldn't matter when asked by a reporter how he would vote if his vote made the difference, and the next day his presence is so important that he's throwing a monkey wrench into both the bailout process and the presidential campaign.

How do the reports that McCain was the stupidest person at that meeting while saying absolutely nothing of substance jibe with the campaign's narrative that he is going to save the day? Can you say, "contrived?" It's shameful the way the republican party plays politics with a crisis and it's disheartening the way the corporate media and the sheep within the republican party play along.

It's not country first for McCain. It's so obvious that it is "campaign first." And all of you McCainbots are more than willing to turn off your bullshit meters to ensure that we get more of the same destructive leadership that has ****ed this country up.

Thank you very much for your contribution.

you actually believe Harry Reid?

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 07:45 AM
Can we get a Barney Frank qoute as well?

penchief
09-26-2008, 07:47 AM
you actually believe Harry Reid?

I believe what I see and hear with my own eyes and ears.

Mecca
09-26-2008, 07:47 AM
I think it's a pretty sad indictment of some peoples intelligence that they actually buy this shit from McCain.

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 07:48 AM
So you buy Reids and that makes you smarter than a circus pony?

banyon
09-26-2008, 07:52 AM
Shouldn't you be asking "guestions like this, why mccain wont agree to debate"?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=185925&highlight=guestions

penchief
09-26-2008, 07:52 AM
So you buy Reids and that makes you smarter than a circus pony?

Harry Reid didn't make John McCain incompetent and unintelligent all week prior to McCain pulling his grandstanding diversionary PR stunt. McCain had no choice but to throw another hail mary after his sorry performance.

But go ahead and be sure to overlook the reality of the situation so you can blame John McCain's shortcomings on Harry Reid.

patteeu
09-26-2008, 08:03 AM
McCain is grandstanding and putting politics first. If he had wanted to be bipartisan he would have agreed to make the joint statement with Obama outlining the major points that both agreed on. Instead he decided to pull another political stunt at the expense of the country's well-being.

How else do you explain the 180 degree turn he did on the issue?

One day he hadn't even read the three-page Paulson Plan and couldn't even give a reasoned response to a reporter's question and the next day he's the most important person in the process.

One day he chides democrats by stating that his vote shouldn't matter when asked by a reporter how he would vote if his vote made the difference, and the next day his presence is so important that he's throwing a monkey wrench into both the bailout process and the presidential campaign.

How do the reports that McCain was the stupidest person at that meeting while saying absolutely nothing of substance jibe with the campaign's narrative that he is going to save the day? Can you say, "contrived?" It's shameful the way the republican party plays politics with a crisis and it's disheartening the way the corporate media and the sheep within the republican party play along.

It's not country first for McCain. It's so obvious that it is "campaign first." And all of you McCainbots are more than willing to turn off your bullshit meters to ensure that we get more of the same destructive leadership that has ****ed this country up.

Thank you very much for your contribution.

Speaking of putting politics first, if it's true that democrats in the House, a bipartisan majority of Senators, and President Bush all believe a bailout is necessary for the good of the country and seem to be capable of coalescing behind a compromise bill, why do Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid say that they won't pass it unless they get McCain's vote and significant votes from House Republicans? Is that not the most obvious case of putting politics ahead of doing what you think is best for the country in this whole dance? It looks that way to me.

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:05 AM
Uh because then if anything goes wrong the Republicans will go "see it was their fault" you know the answer to that question don't play stupid.

penchief
09-26-2008, 08:11 AM
Speaking of putting politics first, if it's true that democrats in the House, a bipartisan majority of Senators, and President Bush all believe a bailout is necessary for the good of the country and seem to be capable of coalescing behind a compromise bill, why do Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid say that they won't pass it unless they get McCain's vote and significant votes from House Republicans? Is that not the most obvious case of putting politics ahead of doing what you think is best for the country in this whole dance? It looks that way to me.

So you admit that this is just a stunt by McCain? And you admit that "country first" is just a bullshit slogan by McCain?

patteeu
09-26-2008, 08:11 AM
Uh because then if anything goes wrong the Republicans will go "see it was their fault" you know the answer to that question don't play stupid.

Exactly. That's precisely what I mean when I accuse democrats of putting politics ahead of doing what they believe is the right thing in this circumstance. Note the contrast between this behavior and President Bush's support for a surge in Iraq knowing that he was going to be alone with very little support from his own party and none from the dems. Bush supported the surge inspite of the politics because he believed it was best for the country. John McCain demonstrated comparable integrity when he consistently supported the war he believed we must win even though it's unpopularity threatened his personal political ambitions. Your party needs some stand up leaders like that. Instead we get the likes of Bill Clinton, Harry Reid and Barack Obama who measure the political winds before choosing to do what's politically beneficial.

mlyonsd
09-26-2008, 08:12 AM
So you admit that this is just a stunt by McCain? And you admit that "country first" is just a bullshit slogan by McCain?

It's clearly a stunt by Pelosi and Reid.

patteeu
09-26-2008, 08:12 AM
So you admit that this is just a stunt by McCain? And you admit that "country first" is just a bullshit slogan by McCain?

My post was about the cynicism of your party leaders. Did you not read it?

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:13 AM
Honestly arguing with Patteeu is like trying to reason with my friends 3 year old daughter.

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:15 AM
And does anyone really believe that puppet arms won't show up? I mean he's only getting his face on TV more now than he was before even though he "suspended" his campaign.

penchief
09-26-2008, 08:16 AM
Exactly. That's precisely what I mean when I accuse democrats of putting politics ahead of doing the right thing in this circumstance. Note the contrast between this behavior and President Bush's support for a surge in Iraq (and John McCain's for that matter) knowing that he was going to be alone with very little support from his own party and none from the dems. Bush supported the surge inspite of the politics because he believed it was best for the country. Your party needs some stand up leaders like that. Instead we get the likes of Bill Clinton, Harry Reid and Barack Obama who measure the political winds before choosing to do what's politically beneficial.

McCain clearly measured the political winds during his week of flailing. He measured those winds from just about every conceivable angle and he did it publicly. It would be hard to look any more disingenous than McCain has looked throughout this crisis. It's pretty transparent that he was afraid to debate in the midst of this crisis and his sliding poll numbers and had no choice but to do something drastic.

By the way, republicans wrote the book on putting politics before country during eight years of fruitless Clinton investigations intended only to undermine the office of the president.

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:17 AM
We should ask David Letterman to explain it to Patteeu.

Brock
09-26-2008, 08:18 AM
And does anyone really believe that puppet arms won't show up? I mean he's only getting his face on TV more now than he was before even though he "suspended" his campaign.

"Puppet arms"?

patteeu
09-26-2008, 08:20 AM
Honestly arguing with Patteeu is like trying to reason with my friends 3 year old daughter.

Does she school you too? ;)

patteeu
09-26-2008, 08:23 AM
McCain clearly measured the political winds during his week of flailing. He measured those winds from just about every conceivable angle and he did it publicly. It would be hard to look any more disingenous than McCain has looked throughout this crisis. It's pretty transparent that he was afraid to debate in the midst of this crisis and his sliding poll numbers and had no choice but to do something drastic.

By the way, republicans wrote the book on putting politics before country during eight years of fruitless Clinton investigations intended only to undermine the office of the president.

McCain didn't threaten to vote against a measure that he believes is critical to the country's well-being unless someone gives him political cover. I have no doubt that McCain measures the political winds from time to time, but he's proven that he's willing to take politically unpopular and dangerous positions (he'd "rather lose an election than lose a war). Your dems are doing just the opposite.

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:26 AM
"Puppet arms"?

Would you rather me call him something like Viagra McManyhouses? There's alot of good nicknames for him.

Brock
09-26-2008, 08:29 AM
Would you rather me call him something like Viagra McManyhouses? There's alot of good nicknames for him.

Sry, didn't know making fun of a person's disability was funny.

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:31 AM
Sry, didn't know making fun of a person's disability was funny.

Dirk sure thought it was funny during the convention when I did it...and hey he's a public figure, he can handle some ribbing especially when it's just a forum.

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 08:31 AM
No one takes Mecca seriously.

Brock
09-26-2008, 08:32 AM
Dirk sure thought it was funny during the convention when I did it...

Congrats on spreading the sunshine, I guess.

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:35 AM
No one takes Mecca seriously.

I'm in the ****ing DC forum do you really think I intended to be taken seriously with every post I make over here?

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 08:36 AM
good point.

Dick Bull
09-26-2008, 08:43 AM
So you would prefer a bad deal?

McCain's gonna ensure that we get a good deal?

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:48 AM
McCain's gonna ensure that we get a good deal?

Ensure?

No way man he drinks that.

Chiefnj2
09-26-2008, 08:48 AM
What does McCain offer to resovle this matter? He has said many times before that economics aren't his area of expertise.

Dick Bull
09-26-2008, 08:49 AM
What does McCain offer to resovle this matter? He has said many times before that economics aren't his area of expertise.

They aren't unless it's a point that he can pander to a few voters

Mecca
09-26-2008, 08:50 AM
They aren't unless it's a point that he can pander to a few voters

Hey it works for some, just check out the thread.

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 08:51 AM
What does McCain offer to resovle this matter? He has said many times before that economics aren't his area of expertise.

Care to mis quote and project some more?

patteeu
09-26-2008, 08:52 AM
What does McCain offer to resovle this matter? He has said many times before that economics aren't his area of expertise.

He's a facilitator and a leader of men. Kind of like the way a good movie producer gets a movie made despite not being the creative genius behind the screenplay, the direction or the acting.

Dick Bull
09-26-2008, 09:00 AM
He's a facilitator and a leader of men. Kind of like the way a good movie producer gets a movie made despite not being the creative genius behind the screenplay, the direction or the acting.

So for 26 years he's led us down this path?

patteeu
09-26-2008, 09:08 AM
So for 26 years he's led us down this path?

I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Does he do much work with Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Chuck Schumer?

Dick Bull
09-26-2008, 09:10 AM
I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Does he do much work with Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Chuck Schumer?

I dunno, but he's a "leader of man"

Everything is so great right know I'm glad he was there to "lead" us

patteeu
09-26-2008, 09:11 AM
I dunno, but he's a "leader of man"

Everything is so great right know I'm glad he was there to "lead" us

You're talking about Iraq now, aren't you?

Dick Bull
09-26-2008, 09:14 AM
You're talking about Iraq now, aren't you?

nope I'm talking about everything in general

Call me silly but I think it's ridiculous for Mccain to get credit on all good that's come since he's been in congress and no blame.

Especially if he's a "leader of man"

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 09:15 AM
everything in general...damn.

Mccain is the reason the Chiefs suck.

Dick Bull
09-26-2008, 09:19 AM
everything in general...damn.

Mccain is the reason the Chiefs suck.

carl peterson>McCain

mlyonsd
09-26-2008, 09:32 AM
carl peterson>McCain

That's the lowest and scummiest thing I've ever seen posted here in DC. :eek:

Dick Bull
09-26-2008, 09:33 AM
That's the lowest and scummiest thing I've ever seen posted here in DC. :eek:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

i m teh lowest of teh low

Chief Henry
09-26-2008, 09:40 AM
Honestchieffan, check your private message .

Taco John
09-26-2008, 09:42 AM
It is grandstanding to return to his job and deal with what Obama has called the greatest crisis since the great depression? Is that grandstanding any more than Obama refusing to go back and help out is just his normal act of voting "present"?




It's amusing to me that you call yourself HonestChieffan while sporting a lie as an avatar.

Taco John
09-26-2008, 09:43 AM
That's the lowest and scummiest thing I've ever seen posted here in DC. :eek:



Huh?

That doesn't even approach the city limits of the lowest and scummiest thing ever posted in DC.

mlyonsd
09-26-2008, 09:52 AM
Huh?

That doesn't even approach the city limits of the lowest and scummiest thing ever posted in DC.

It was TIC. Being a donkey fan you wouldn't probably understand.

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 10:01 AM
It's amusing to me that you call yourself HonestChieffan while sporting a lie as an avatar.

Can an avatar lie?

HonestChieffan
09-26-2008, 10:02 AM
It was TIC. Being a donkey fan you wouldn't probably understand.


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