Obama got his ass kicked

[Laz]

but McCain also came across as a complete prick

not just a prick but a smug,arrogant prick


but that said Obama still lost, he wasn't as good at getting his point across.

[DMAC]

We need a prick.

[chagrin]

Obama has no idea what the words "Foreign Policy" mean, but Johnny boy could have come out firing instead of not answering a simple question

[chagrin]

We need a prick.

you need 2 arms and 2 legs, what are you talking about?

[Silock]

Obama sucked. McCain sucked.

We're ****ed.

[DMAC]

you need 2 arms and 2 legs, what are you talking about?
Fair enough...let's move on.

[KC Jones]

Ass kicked?

I'm not sure about that but he did lose. I can't believe he let McCain steer the economy into government waste and earmarks. McCain's floated a zeppelin about our current economic problems being because of government spending and Obama let it just float by.

:shake:

[Laz]

Obama tried to play nice and McCain kicked him the teeth.


it will be interesting to see what happens in the next debate

i expect a much more combative Obama next time

[HolmeZz]

I don't see where Obama lost anything. I thought he more than held his own on foreign policy, which was probably his biggest weakness in polling. He showed a command of the issues, whereas McCain was more focused on hurling insults.

I do agree Obama missed an opportunity on the economic part. He'll have more chances in the upcoming debates.

[sportsman1]

Can't disagree. I believe McCain proved very well that he is more ready to lead then circle jerk, circle talk obama.

[chagrin]

I don't see where Obama lost anything. I thought he more than held his own on foreign policy, which was probably his biggest weakness in polling. He showed a command of the issues, whereas McCain was more focused on hurling insults.

I do agree Obama missed an opportunity on the economic part. He'll have more chances in the upcoming debates.

dude, he totally failed foreign policy, specifically with respect to Russia, how could you possibly miss that?

[D2112]

dude, he totally failed foreign policy, specifically with respect to Russia, how could you possibly miss that?

Come on dude, do you know who you're talking too?

[HolmeZz]

dude, he totally failed foreign policy, specifically with respect to Russia, how could you possibly miss that?

Why don't you differentiate McCain and Obama's positions on the Russia/Georgia conflict?

I'll even ignore the fact that it's a fabricated issue.

[SNR]

I thought Obama did much better. McCain didn't answer any questions and came up with stories that nobody gives a rat's ass about. Obama came up with well-reasoned points.

[WilliamTheIrish]

dude, he totally failed foreign policy, specifically with respect to Russia, how could you possibly miss that?

Russia means nothing to me. It was a weak attempt to get simpletons to think "Oh Noes! The Russians are reconstituting".

[dirk digler]

Obama didn't get his ass kicked and either did McCain

[Laz]

I thought Obama did much better. McCain didn't answer any questions and came up with stories that nobody gives a rat's ass about. Obama came up with well-reasoned points.

i guess people are seeing it very differently


i am a Obama supporter and i was disappointed


Obama did come across as the more "diplomatic" and personable candidate .... he also played nice the entire time McCain was kicking him in the teeth.

while McCain will definitely lose "likability" points he was much more powerful in his points.


please note .... im not saying i agree with all his positions he was just much more powerful in getting his point across imo.

[CHIEF4EVER]

One thing is for certain. If Dr Paul had been present as a third party candidate, he would have pwned BOTH of those clowns.

[RJ]

Obama didn't get his ass kicked and either did McCain


That's how I saw it.

[Ultra Peanut]

My friends, this is not an asskicking:

Independents in the MediaCurves focus group gave the debate to Obama 61-39. They also think he won every individual segment. Republicans gave the debate to McCain 90-10, Democrats to Obama 93-7.

[Ultra Peanut]

dude, he totally failed foreign policy, specifically with respect to Russia, how could you possibly miss that?Explain how he "failed" on the topic of Russia.

[Mr. Kotter]

It wasn't Obama's finest moment to be sure; however, McCain didn't do very well either....and this was supposed to be his strength (foreign policy, although I guess nearly half did end up dealing with the economy.)

Obama was much more on defense than he should have been; but McCain was a bit overly surly. IMO, it was a draw....and a draw goes to the guy in front. McCain needs to make up ground, and I don't think he did.

[Ultra Peanut]

I don't really think it was amazing one way or the other. I'd say B- for Obama and C+ for McCain, if I had to grade them.

One more note from 538:

10:10 CDT: [Nate] It doesn't appear to be on the web yet, but several commentators point to a CBS News poll of 500 independents gave the debate to Obama 40-22, with 38 percent declaring it a tie. Beware, however, because the reaction in these instant polls doesn't always match the movmenet in the horse race polls in the proceeding days.

If early responses hold, Obama will be getting exactly what he needed from this. He looked presidential, he didn't scare any undecideds, and he keeps things progressing gradually in his favor.

[Mecca]

My friends, this is not an asskicking:

Independents in the MediaCurves focus group gave the debate to Obama 61-39. They also think he won every individual segment. Republicans gave the debate to McCain 90-10, Democrats to Obama 93-7.

I think that pretty much sums this up, people saying Obama got his ass kicked really have no reason why other than he's their guy.

[Laz]

Obama needs to stop giving credit to the people he's debating.

that's very mature of him but it makes him look like a follower instead of a leader.


McCain was such a dick it was incredible

[ChiTown]

Seriously, I don't know how EITHER party claims victory after what I just saw.

[KC Jones]

It wasn't Obama's finest moment to be sure; however, McCain didn't do very well either....and this was supposed to be his strength (foreign policy, although I guess nearly half did end up dealing with the economy.)

Obama was much more on defense than he should have been; but McCain was a bit overly surly. IMO, it was a draw....and a draw goes to the guy in front. McCain needs to make up ground, and I don't think he did.

I concur, and I think McCain's surliness might be costly with the middle he needs to be courting now.

[Laz]

I think that pretty much sums this up, people saying Obama got his ass kicked really have no reason why other than he's their guy.
ok Mecca McCain (with another prick response)





so why would people say Obama got his ass kicked JUST because he's their guy. That makes no sense.

[Ari Chi3fs]

"I'm John McCain, and YOU KIDS GET OFF MY PORCH!!!"

[Ultra Peanut]

I concur, and I think McCain's surliness might be costly with the middle he needs to be courting now.On CNN, his ratings with independents kept diving as soon as he started attacking. The media could still reframe this over the next few hours, but I think McCain mostly played to the base tonight. That's not a winning strategy.

[dirk digler]

I concur, and I think McCain's surliness might be costly with the middle he needs to be courting now.

I think that is the narrative coming out of this debate.

He looked and acted like a dick. Obama was trying not to look like the angry black guy

[Taco John]

I saw one presidential candidate on the stage, and one who was desperate to force his talking points into the discussion.

This is the television age, and McCain came across as a desperate angry old man.

[Ultra Peanut]

He looked and acted like a dick. Obama was trying not to look like the angry black guyExactly. He could have been more forceful in his rebukes of McCain, but instead he stayed completely above the kind of demeanor McCain exhibited. This was a lot of people's first real exposure to him. I think he assuaged a lot of fears undecideds may have had.

[Mecca]

I thought McCain had numerous moments of looking out of touch and angry.

Also I laughed pretty hard when he tried to compare Obama to Bush.

[dirk digler]

Exactly. He could have been more forceful in his rebukes of McCain, but instead he stayed completely above the kind of demeanor McCain exhibited. This was a lot of people's first real exposure to him. I think he assuaged a lot of fears undecideds may have had.

I think that was the plan tonight. Not to come across as the angry militant American hating black guy that Hannity and the right have tried to portray him as.

[Laz]

I think that was the plan tonight. Not to come across as the angry militant American hating black guy that Hannity and the right have tried to portray him as.
he definitely did that

he came across as diplomat a well-spoken diplomat

[Captain Obvious]

I think that was the plan tonight. Not to come across as the angry militant American hating black guy that Hannity and the right have tried to portray him as.

He doesn't hate America. He was wearing his flag pin. McCain on the other hand...

[KC Jones]

He doesn't hate America. He was wearing his flag pin. McCain on the other hand...

ROFL - thanks, I needed that.

[HolmeZz]

Seriously, I don't know how EITHER party claims victory after what I just saw.

I agree. Both sides hit a lot of the same points they've been hitting.

Any judgments are really based on superficial things. I'd give the Obama the advantage from the standpoint that this was McCain's turf and Obama more than held his own in proving himself on foreign policy.

[memyselfI]

but McCain also came across as a complete prick

not just a prick but a smug,arrogant prick


but that said Obama still lost, he wasn't as good at getting his point across.

I thought as angry and mean as McCain looked that NObama looked just as soft and almost metrosexual. ROFL The contrast was quite stark.

I think the event was a draw and because NObama wasn't smoked off the stage that he wins on principle but I think McCain won on points.

Again, neither candidate are really all that.

[HolmeZz]

NObama looked just as soft and almost metrosexual. ROFL

Jesus Christ, you wanted John friggin' Edwards to be President.

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[memyselfI]

Jesus Christ, you wanted John friggin' Edwards to be President.


I'm just sayin...

[RJ]

C'mon D'niece, don't make HolmeZz start pulling up old threads again.

[ChiTown]

Jesus Christ, you wanted John friggin' Edwards to be President.

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ROFLROFLROFL

That fuggin video never gets old....especially with that music. omfg.

Good stuff.

[memyselfI]

C'mon D'niece, don't make HolmeZz start pulling up old threads again.

Hey, looking soft isn't bad. It's just when you are debating against a bull dog you don't want to look like a beagle.

[alnorth]

Honestly, I dont trust these focus groups at all. They make good television but they are obviously vulnerable to the Hawthorne effect. They will drastically alter their behavior, compared to your average half-bored independent who STILL somehow cant make up their mind and cant be assed to do some research until now.

[the Talking Can]

I think that was the plan tonight. Not to come across as the angry militant American hating black guy that Hannity and the right have tried to portray him as.

totally agree....and he suceeded, imo...

[Ultra Peanut]

Hey, looking soft isn't bad. It's just when you are debating against a bull dog you don't want to look like a beagle.Obama was the great dane looking down and wondering what the **** the bulldog is doing.

[Mr. Kotter]

totally agree....and he suceeded, imo...


If he can maintain that...it will make the inevitable third party ads trying to tie him to Wright and Ayers and the like, less effective to be sure.

[Donger]

I think McCain won. Not convincingly, but he won. Barack Hussein confirmed what people who are objective about him have been saying all along.

[Calcountry]

I don't see where Obama lost anything. I thought he more than held his own on foreign policy, which was probably his biggest weakness in polling. He showed a command of the issues, whereas McCain was more focused on hurling insults.

I do agree Obama missed an opportunity on the economic part. He'll have more chances in the upcoming debates.Slowbama got his ass kicked like an unwanted step child.

[Ultra Peanut]

I think McCain won. Not convincingly, but he won. Barack Hussein confirmed what people who are objective about him have been saying all along.What were these "objective" people saying, Dong McCain?

[ILChief]

I think McCain won. Not convincingly, but he won. Barack Hussein confirmed what people who are objective about him have been saying all along.

you mean objective people who still think it's funny to call him by his middle name?

[Logical]

Obama tried to play nice and McCain kicked him the teeth.


it will be interesting to see what happens in the next debate

i expect a much more combative Obama next timeNope this is a strategy. I expect it to work. Older people like respectful people, women like respectful people and Indys see him a candidate who is practicing change not just talking about it.

[BigRedChief]

Early polls says Obama won 52% to 38%.

[Smed1065]

Early polls says Obama won 52% to 38%.

Damn it Carl!

[Fat Elvis]

I don't think Obama looked soft; on the contrary I thought he was trying (successfully) to differentiate himself from the failed dingdong cowboy diplomacy that has been a characteristic of the current administration. McCain on the other hand, virtually assured America that we are looking at four more years of the same foreign policy nightmare. McCain didn't look tough, he just looked like he was crapping in his Depends.

I ask you this: If a presidential candidate identifies a country as a preimmenant threat, wouldn't you like it if he could at least pronounce the leader's name correctly? Next thing you know he will be saying, "nukular."

[Mecca]

Slowbama got his ass kicked like an unwanted step child.

The only people who think he won are people from Faux news, if you want to be associated with that, go ahead.

[Programmer]

Across the board here I see the expected response. Conservatives feel McCain won, liberals feel Obama won.

The hour of the media coverage I watched called it for McCain. (I was not watching FOX)

I felt that McCain had a very indepth background with the foreign policy questions, Obama was struggling to get his point across. His point was that he wants to totally change foreign policy, but what he was saying was not policy that would be effective IMO.

[Mecca]

Across the board here I see the expected response. Conservatives feel McCain won, liberals feel Obama won.

The hour of the media coverage I watched called it for McCain. (I was not watching FOX)

I felt that McCain had a very indepth background with the foreign policy questions, Obama was struggling to get his point across. His point was that he wants to totally change foreign policy, but what he was saying was not policy that would be effective IMO.

You must be going with Rudy Guiliani's view eh?

[Programmer]

You must be going with Rudy Guiliani's view eh?

Not worthy of a response.

[Mecca]

By the way you calling anything an expected response is pretty funny because most people who spend any time over here know exactly what you're saying before you say it.

[Programmer]

By the way you calling anything an expected response is pretty funny because most people who spend any time over here know exactly what you're saying before you say it.


You are a total moron. Read the posts. Virtually all of the known liberals here have claimed victory for Obama. Are you ****ing blind?

Expected results because you are walking with blinders as are virtually all of Obama's backers here. You don't want to know reality, you just want your Miss America elected because he is cute and young.

The good news is that the people of the U.S. are smarter than you give them credit for and Obama will not win the election, his sham of a campaign will be seen for what it is.

[Mecca]

Really? So they are going to buy into McCains completely botched campaign and barrage of lies that he's trying to win on?

If people aren't stupid you like you claim then McCain has even less of a chance, McCain is banking on people being dumb to win.

[Programmer]

Really? So they are going to buy into McCains completely botched campaign and barrage of lies that he's trying to win on?

If people aren't stupid you like you claim then McCain has even less of a chance, McCain is banking on people being dumb to win.

I see, if McCain wins the Americans that voted him into office are dumb and if Obama wins only smart people voted.

Your smugness is only matched by Obama's. McCain's barrage of lies as compared to Obama's lies? Who the **** do you think you are?

You are a liberal that can only see good in Obama, I'm sorry dude, Obama is an empty shell voting Americans will see that come November.

[the Talking Can]

I see, if McCain wins the Americans that voted him into office are dumb and if Obama wins only smart people voted.

Your smugness is only matched by Obama's. McCain's barrage of lies as compared to Obama's lies? Who the **** do you think you are?

You are a liberal that can only see good in Obama, I'm sorry dude, Obama is an empty shell voting Americans will see that come November.

which is worse? that you're boring or that you're dumb?

[Uncle_Ted]

I see, if McCain wins the Americans that voted him into office are dumb and if Obama wins only smart people voted.

Your smugness is only matched by Obama's. McCain's barrage of lies as compared to Obama's lies? Who the **** do you think you are?

You are a liberal that can only see good in Obama, I'm sorry dude, Obama is an empty shell voting Americans will see that come November.

Considering that McCain has structured his campaign narrative to appeal to stupid people (i.e., Obama as elitist, Obama as celebrity, etc.) then yes, people are dumb if they elect McCain.

Besides, anyone who thinks it's a great idea to have Sarah Palin sitting there as VP to a 76 year-old president (at the end of McCain's first term) is DUMB. It hard for me to get beyond that. She makes Dan Quayle look like Einstein.

[Programmer]

which is worse? that you're boring or that you're dumb?

Which is worse? The fact that anyone that doesn't buy your party line is considered dumb or boring by the flaming left, that is what is bad about America.

Personal attacks seem to be the only steady agenda that you have. I hope you decide on hari kiri after Obama loses the election!

[Programmer]

Considering that McCain has structured his campaign narrative to appeal to stupid people (i.e., Obama as elitist, Obama as celebrity, etc.) then yes, people are dumb if they elect McCain.

Besides, anyone who thinks it's a great idea to have Sarah Palin sitting there as VP to a 76 year-old president (at the end of McCain's first term) is DUMB. It hard for me to get beyond that. She makes Dan Quayle look like Einstein.

You are an idiot. but as a liberal that is a given.

[KC Jones]

Personal attacks seem to be the only steady agenda that you have. I hope you decide on hari kiri after Obama loses the election!

You are an idiot. but as a liberal that is a given.

ROFL

[ROYC75]

I missed the the part on the economy, had a ballgame to attend, I came as they were starting on foreign policy. I did pick up a lot of the the economy from the Larry King show after wards.

What I saw, Both men straddling the fence largely due to the financial crisis still uncertain. Both had strong points against the other. My biggest concern is the spending that Obama wants to do , if he gets to do due to the crisis.... 800 billion worth of new programs. :eek: He scares me with the corporate taxes and corporation taxes with the possible additional loss of jobs when we are already the 2nd highest country on corporation taxes in the world. Company's are pulling jobs away due to this,we have know this for years, he wants to raise them.

Advantage : McCain, but not by much, John will keep us involved in conflicts quicker, which allows more debt and his tax plan does bring much revenue to offset this. Neither candidate is going to be able to do much for the first 2 - 3 years because of this bailout.

Foreign Policy : Obama has a lot to learn on this area, he is on the job training. He wants to be Mr Nice Guy in Foreign Policy, which is not a bad idea,but you must be selective with who you are dealing with. He will say one thing, only to find out he must be tougher due to the seriousness of the conflict. He at times is to laid back to make a stand on a bill or a conflict, he lacks experience on this.

McCain OTOH, is tough, quick to comment, at times, this is good, but at times it can bite you in the ass, his demeanor will get him in trouble, he needs to watch this. He does have a world of knowledge to tap into. McCain was hitting hard last night, he kept Obama on the defensive. Obama was always agreeing with McCain on issues and calling him " John " instead of Senator McCain. IMHO, this was a lack of respect to McCain,not once did McCain call Obama , Barack. McCain did not use any info on Obama that Biden and Hillary used in previous debates, McCain missed a chance to separate himself on this debate.

Advantage : McCain, Had Obama not acted like a snob in the disrespect to McCain, he could of had a draw here .

Bottom line : McCain wins,but he needed a decisive win to make things better for him, he didn't get this. A narrow win was a Checkmate for Obama in the polls and the undecided voters.

Obama held his own due to the changing format by adding the economy into the debate and McCain not really separating himself a great deal on the Foreign Policy. No doubt the economy add on took more questions away for McCain to possibly get that home run on Obama.....

Obama didn't hurt himself that much at all, he held his own in his beliefs and opinions, something the undecided voters needed to hear. MCCain lost his chance when the format added economy into the mix. That played into Obama hands last night. It kept him from getting blown out on Foreign Policy.

[ROYC75]

OK guys, had to peep in for a second..... I have to get ready for my grandsons 8 - 9 year olds County Championship Game, this is the 2nd year I have taken them to the title game. We won last year, this year we are undefeated in the county. We should dominate like we have all season, but ya never know how things will go.

My youngest grandson I was bragging about last year that dominated the league is no exception this year. He is a man amongst boys out there. He's 5'10, only 108 lbs, he doesn't get stopped much, almost always in on every play. He's quick with long legs, use of his hands and strength and meanness on the field allows him to dominate at MLB. He's knocking kids 160 - 250 lbs on their butts all the time when he bull rushes the line.

They will not let him run the ball, pass the ball or even run on a fumble or pass interceptions..... A pussy football league,but it is all he can play right now. Their is talk that he might be able to move up to Jr High ball next year, even thou he will be in the 5th grade. It's up to the school board. :rolleyes:

Today is the PP& K, they didn't have it last year, he has a cannon arm and long legs to kick with. We found this out on Thursday this week that we can enter him, he has the talent to win it, nobody can throw it farther than him, but we don't kick in this league so I need to take him out and do some more kicking today before the try out.

The winners get to go to Nashville and compete during a Titans game this year..... Catch ya later .

[Laz]

Virtually all of the known liberals here have claimed victory for Obama. Are you ****ing blind?

really ...... who started this thread?

[D2112]

really ...... who started this thread?

You did, but you're on of the cooler maniacal lunatic leftists here so he was probably confused a bit. :evil:

[Laz]

You did, but you're on of the cooler maniacal lunatic leftists here so he was probably confused a bit. :evil:
ROFL

i thought you considered me a lefty psycho? :D

[Programmer]

really ...... who started this thread?

Everyone here knows you are either disfunctional or dislexc.

Woh stardet tish trhead?

[Laz]

Everyone here knows you are either disfunctional or dislexc.

Woh stardet tish trhead?
dysfunctional
dyslexic

and apparently you are desperately in need of school

[irishjayhawk]

I don't know Laz, I don't think Obama got his ass kicked. I think the better way to look at it is Obama didn't kick ass.

[penchief]

I think McCain did his thing well. Which seemed to consist of belittling Obama and citing his experience. That said, I don't think those are the attributes that this country is looking for this time around.

I think people are tired of the petulent and beligerent attitude that characterized the Bush Administration. And John McCain exhibits those characteristics in spades. I believe the country is tired of bully diplomacy and the "my way or the highway" approach to governing. I think the public is looking for a more reasonable pragmatic approach. Which I think Obama exhibits. That may ultimately hurt McCain.

I also believe that people are more interested in each candidate's overall philosophy toward the future and the direction of this country than they are McCain's past positions on Viet Nam, Kosovo, Somalia, or his record in the senate (which he was not completely honest about). I think that change is still the single thing that is most important. Getting mired in arguments about the mindset that got us into Iraq and which wants to keep us in Iraq does not benefit McCain when it is that mindset that people want to change. Obama is offering something different than the Bush/Cheney mindset. McCain isn't. That may ultimately hurt McCain, too.

So while some may think McCain was better last night because he was more aggressive and derisive in making his points, I'm not so sure it might not be a classic example of winning the battle but losing the war.

I was impressed with McCain's message discipline but turned off by his message and his disrespectful manner.

[Laz]

I don't know Laz, I don't think Obama got his ass kicked. I think the better way to look at it is Obama didn't kick ass.
eh ... yea, maybe

[J Diddy]

I think McCain did his thing well. Which seemed to consist of belittling Obama and citing his experience. That said, I don't think those are the attributes that this country is looking for this time around.

I think people are tired of the petulent and beligerent attitude that characterized the Bush Administration. And John McCain exhibits those characteristics in spades. I believe the country is tired of bully diplomacy and the "my way or the highway" approach to governing. I think the public is looking for a more reasonable pragmatic approach. Which I think Obama exhibits. That may ultimately hurt McCain.

I also believe that people are more interested in each candidate's overall philosophy toward the future and the direction of this country than they are McCain's past positions on Viet Nam, Kosovo, Somalia, or his record in the senate (which he was not completely honest about). I think that change is still the single thing that is most important. Getting mired in arguments about the mindset that got us into Iraq and which wants to keep us in Iraq does not benefit McCain when it is that mindset that people want to change. Obama is offering something different than the Bush/Cheney mindset. McCain isn't. That may ultimately hurt McCain, too.

So while some may think McCain was better last night because he was more aggressive and derisive in making his points, I'm not so sure it might not be a classic example of winning the battle but losing the war.

I was impressed with McCain's message discipline but turned off by his message and his disrespectful manner.
I was turned off by the creepy way he looked every time obama brought a point up. I'm pretty sure he was going pedophile there for a bit.

[Mecca]

I missed the the part on the economy, had a ballgame to attend, I came as they were starting on foreign policy. I did pick up a lot of the the economy from the Larry King show after wards.

What I saw, Both men straddling the fence largely due to the financial crisis still uncertain. Both had strong points against the other. My biggest concern is the spending that Obama wants to do , if he gets to do due to the crisis.... 800 billion worth of new programs. :eek: He scares me with the corporate taxes and corporation taxes with the possible additional loss of jobs when we are already the 2nd highest country on corporation taxes in the world. Company's are pulling jobs away due to this,we have know this for years, he wants to raise them.

Advantage : McCain, but not by much, John will keep us involved in conflicts quicker, which allows more debt and his tax plan does bring much revenue to offset this. Neither candidate is going to be able to do much for the first 2 - 3 years because of this bailout.

Foreign Policy : Obama has a lot to learn on this area, he is on the job training. He wants to be Mr Nice Guy in Foreign Policy, which is not a bad idea,but you must be selective with who you are dealing with. He will say one thing, only to find out he must be tougher due to the seriousness of the conflict. He at times is to laid back to make a stand on a bill or a conflict, he lacks experience on this.

McCain OTOH, is tough, quick to comment, at times, this is good, but at times it can bite you in the ass, his demeanor will get him in trouble, he needs to watch this. He does have a world of knowledge to tap into. McCain was hitting hard last night, he kept Obama on the defensive. Obama was always agreeing with McCain on issues and calling him " John " instead of Senator McCain. IMHO, this was a lack of respect to McCain,not once did McCain call Obama , Barack. McCain did not use any info on Obama that Biden and Hillary used in previous debates, McCain missed a chance to separate himself on this debate.

Advantage : McCain, Had Obama not acted like a snob in the disrespect to McCain, he could of had a draw here .

Bottom line : McCain wins,but he needed a decisive win to make things better for him, he didn't get this. A narrow win was a Checkmate for Obama in the polls and the undecided voters.

Obama held his own due to the changing format by adding the economy into the debate and McCain not really separating himself a great deal on the Foreign Policy. No doubt the economy add on took more questions away for McCain to possibly get that home run on Obama.....

Obama didn't hurt himself that much at all, he held his own in his beliefs and opinions, something the undecided voters needed to hear. MCCain lost his chance when the format added economy into the mix. That played into Obama hands last night. It kept him from getting blown out on Foreign Policy.

I'm going to be honest with you for a moment this has nothing to do with politics either I just think you should be informed about something you said...according to the Bush administration we are the 2nd lowest country in the world when it comes to business taxes....that doesn't even factor in that many completely bypass this with numerous loopholes and pay exactly 0 income tax.

The concern about tax on business isn't even an issue it's just a talking point.

And you giving everything to McCain is hilarious when it's pretty much a draw, but hey I'm not surprised.

[banyon]

I'm going to be honest with you for a moment this has nothing to do with politics either I just think you should be informed about something you said...according to the Bush administration we are the 2nd lowest country in the world when it comes to business taxes....that doesn't even factor in that many completely bypass this with numerous loopholes and pay exactly 0 income tax.

The concern about tax on business isn't even an issue it's just a talking point.

And you giving everything to McCain is hilarious when it's pretty much a draw, but hey I'm not surprised.

Actually, the line is misleading on its face also, as he is comparing our maximum rate only to the top rate of other countries. It doesn't factor in that we have a much lower middle and bottom corporate rate than many other countries.

[Mecca]

Actually, the line is misleading on its face also, as he is comparing our maximum rate only to the top rate of other countries. It doesn't factor in that we have a much lower middle and bottom corporate rate than many other countries.

Just trying to flip people out, it works with Roy so I'm sure there's some others out there it works on too.

[J Diddy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/gradingthefirstpresidentialdebate

this is how one analyst graded it...Not obama getting his ass kicked at all.....

[GoChiefs]

Obama sucked. McCain sucked.

We're ****ed.

Welcome to America. We're ****ed but everyone's eating well anyway.

[Laz]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/gradingthefirstpresidentialdebate

this is how one analyst graded it...Not obama getting his ass kicked at all.....
to each his own

im not talking about grades and political spin


im just a normal guy listening to the debate and McCain pretty much bullied Obama the whole night.

just my opinion :shrug:

[DaneMcCloud]

to each his own

im not talking about grades and political spin


im just a normal guy listening to the debate and McCain pretty much bullied Obama the whole night.

just my opinion :shrug:

Bullied him? Really?

Please explain.

[Logical]

but McCain also came across as a complete prick

not just a prick but a smug,arrogant prick


but that said Obama still lost, he wasn't as good at getting his point across.You are one of the few who feel he lost. Most seem to think it was a tie or an Obama victory.

[Logical]

to each his own

im not talking about grades and political spin


im just a normal guy listening to the debate and McCain pretty much bullied Obama the whole night.

just my opinion :shrug:

I don't see how it can be judged independent of Politics, since the whole thing is about politics. Aggression is not what I care about, this is not football. If you want to say McCain won because he was able to repeat his talking points over and over. I guess I could understand that.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I don't see how it can be judged independent of Politics, since the whole thing is about politics. Aggression is not what I care about, this is not football. If you want to say McCain won because he was able to repeat his talking points over and over. I guess I could understand that.

I think Obama lost too. But I'm glad the entire country disagrees with me. While I'm not voting for either candidate, I would prefer Obama strictly based off of his tax plan. Since I don't really trust either candidate, I'll hope for more money.

[J Diddy]

to each his own

im not talking about grades and political spin


im just a normal guy listening to the debate and McCain pretty much bullied Obama the whole night.

just my opinion :shrug:

I'd have to not only disagree, but strongly disagree

[Logical]

I don't think Obama looked soft; on the contrary I thought he was trying (successfully) to differentiate himself from the failed dingdong cowboy diplomacy that has been a characteristic of the current administration. McCain on the other hand, virtually assured America that we are looking at four more years of the same foreign policy nightmare. McCain didn't look tough, he just looked like he was crapping in his Depends.

I ask you this: If a presidential candidate identifies a country as a preimmenant threat, wouldn't you like it if he could at least pronounce the leader's name correctly? Next thing you know he will be saying, "nukular."

Actually I notice McCain slurring many of his words. I even commented on it, in the debate thread. I asked what he meant by runway (I am pretty sure he meant runaway) very much an old man characteristic when the mind starts to slip.

[J Diddy]

Actually I notice McCain slurring many of his words. I even commented on it, in the debate thread. I asked what he meant by runway (I am pretty sure he meant runaway) very much an old man characteristic when the mind starts to slip.

McCain Smash!!!!

[Logical]

I think Obama lost too. But I'm glad the entire country disagrees with me. While I'm not voting for either candidate, I would prefer Obama strictly based off of his tax plan. Since I don't really trust either candidate, I'll hope for more money.Not too many people think he actually outright lost, but I respect your right to feel that way.

[BigRedChief]

but McCain also came across as a complete prick

not just a prick but a smug,arrogant prick


but that said Obama still lost, he wasn't as good at getting his point across.
I have no idea what you were watching but I think you have your George W. goggles on or something.

If you agree with his policies or not no one can say he didn't come as "Presidential" and explained himself 10x more clearer than McCain.

[Laz]

I have no idea what you were watching but I think you have your George W. goggles on or something.

If you agree with his policies or not no one can say he didn't come as "Presidential" and explained himself 10x more clearer than McCain.
actually i'm pro Obama and can't stand George w

this Bush administration has been one of the most incompetent and corrupt administration in history.

i will prolly vote Obama


still doesn't mean that McCain didn't win this particular debate imo

[patteeu]

Bullied him? Really?

Please explain.

I think part of it might be this:

"I agree with Senator McCain that. . ." vs. "What Senator Obama doesn't seem to understand is. . ." (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/09/021624.php)

I listened to the debate on radio (and missed the first 30 minutes or so). I didn't think either candidate did all that well. I thought both pretty much avoided gaffes and neither of them landed any significant blows to the other side. One thing that did stand out to me was the contrast between the way Obama kept agreeing with McCain while McCain kept pointing out that Obama didn't really understand the foreign policy big picture. It reminded me of a boxing match where one guy keeps trying to get in a clinch to preserve his lead through inactivity while the other guy knows he has to punch to win.

[patteeu]

Actually I notice McCain slurring many of his words. I even commented on it, in the debate thread. I asked what he meant by runway (I am pretty sure he meant runaway) very much an old man characteristic when the mind starts to slip.

Yeah, we've noticed. :p

[Programmer]

dysfunctional
dyslexic

and apparently you are desperately in need of school

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Please excuse the typo and misspelling. (as so nice to see that you think you are perfect) BTW, what are you the spelling Nazi?:rolleyes:

You are both: dysfunctional and dyslexic

You are in desperate need of professional help.STFU

[Laz]

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Please excuse the typo and misspelling. (as so nice to see that you think you are perfect) BTW, what are you the spelling Nazi?:rolleyes:

You are both: dysfunctional and dyslexic

You are in desperate need of professional help.STFU

not the spelling nazi at all .... most of the time i don't bother with it.

but since you're such a dick i decided to make a special effort.

the more you talk, the more "Cash-like" you become

[banyon]

not the spelling nazi at all .... most of the time i don't bother with it.

but since you're such a dick i decided to make a special effort.

the more you talk, the more "Cash-like" you become

I think everyone should start doing it to his posts. His only function around here it to try to annoy people, so why not do something that annoys him?

Since multiple bannings haven't worked, it's worth a try as a new strategy I say.

[penchief]

I think everyone should start doing it to his posts. His only function around here it to try to annoy people, so why not do something that annoys him?

Since multiple bannings haven't worked, it's worth a try as a new strategy I say.

I just continue to engage him while trying to stay on topic until the conversation runs its course. I assume that he actually gets what I'm saying even though he pretends like he doesn't. I don't know if that's why but for some reason he doesn't seem to give me as much guff as he does others around here.