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clemensol
09-26-2008, 08:51 PM
The man has an extremely long record of ****ing things up, getting things wrong, and generally being a douche bag. What exactly has he done to suddenly deserve respect?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-26-2008, 11:23 PM
Did a great job of planting the seeds of our destruction? c'mon that doesn't count for anything?

Taco John
09-27-2008, 12:11 AM
The man has an extremely long record of ****ing things up, getting things wrong, and generally being a douche bag. What exactly has he done to suddenly deserve respect?



I don't think that it's a show of respect so much as it's Obama using him as a flanking position saying, "here is a person who fundamentally shares your world view who agrees with my perspective that we can talk to nations without preconditions in order to take the next steps in foriegn policy."

And then McCain, who recognizes that he's being flanked by the use of a conservative figure like Kissinger tries to obfuscate the point by denying the truth of it.

Ari Chi3fs
09-27-2008, 12:38 AM
Having Kissinger in McCain's corner is the exact reason that I would never vote for McCain. If anyone, knows ANYTHING about the last 50 years of Presidential policies... then you know that Kissinger is treacherous and sinister.

patteeu
09-27-2008, 08:14 AM
I don't think that it's a show of respect so much as it's Obama using him as a flanking position saying, "here is a person who fundamentally shares your world view who agrees with my perspective that we can talk to nations without preconditions in order to take the next steps in foriegn policy."

And then McCain, who recognizes that he's being flanked by the use of a conservative figure like Kissinger tries to obfuscate the point by denying the truth of it.

There is no truth in it to deny.

This whole thing about a "face to face meeting without preconditions is ridiculous. Obama goofed when he first said it and he's just not willing to admit it. Instead, he's gradually morphed his position to the point that it has become the Bush position. Obama has incoherently tried to distinguish between "preconditions" and "preparations" but he hasn't said anything that makes any sense in context. If face to face didn't mean head of state to head of state, then Bush is (and was) already doing this. If "no preconditions" allows for "preparations" at lower levels, then Bush is (and was) already doing this. After his backpedal from his initial statement, Obama hasn't distinguished what his approach toward diplomacy with Iran would be from Bush's at all.

On McCain's part, while it's understandable, it's disingenuous to pretend that Obama is sticking with his earlier position of meeting face to face with Iran's leadership without preconditions within a year of taking office. Obama has clearly abandoned that position and adopted a more grown-up, more Bush-like approach. Of course, since Obama can't bring himself to admit that his position has changed dramatically, I guess I can't fault McCain too much for hitting him with his stupid, original comments.

patteeu
09-27-2008, 08:15 AM
Having Kissinger in McCain's corner is the exact reason that I would never vote for McCain. If anyone, knows ANYTHING about the last 50 years of Presidential policies... then you know that Kissinger is treacherous and sinister.

Jew!

Brock
09-27-2008, 08:16 AM
Jew!

ROFL

Ari Chi3fs
09-27-2008, 08:42 AM
Has nothing to do with him being a Jew... it has to do with him having his tentacles in every administration for the past few decades, ever since JFK got axed by the CIA.

irishjayhawk
09-27-2008, 09:41 AM
I still don't get the whole deal about meeting without preconditions on the Presidential level.

I see no problem with it.

patteeu
09-27-2008, 12:32 PM
Has nothing to do with him being a Jew... it has to do with him having his tentacles in every administration for the past few decades, ever since JFK got axed by the CIA.

tentacles? LMAO I know what you mean...

Jew!

KILLER_CLOWN
09-27-2008, 11:17 PM
Former Kissinger Policy Planner, CFR Member Calls For New Global Monetary Authority


Former Wall Street exec wants bailout and more… much much more

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Friday, Sept 26, 2008

A Council on Foreign Relations member and former policy planner under prominent Bilderberger Henry Kissinger has penned a piece in the Financial Times of London calling for a “new global monetary authority” that would have the power to monitor all national financial authorities and all large global financial companies.

“Even if the US’s massive financial rescue operation succeeds, it should be followed by something even more far-reaching – the establishment of a Global Monetary Authority to oversee markets that have become borderless.” writes Jeffrey Garten, also a former managing director of Lehman Brothers.

Garten, now a professor of business at Yale, served on the policy planning staff of Kissinger during his time as Secretary of State. He also served on the White House Council on International Economic Policy under the Nixon administration and went on to become the Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade under Bill Clinton.

Citing “globalization”, A “clash of philosophies” and the “vacuum at the centre” of the current global institutional apparatus, Garten describes his vision for a new monolithic world authority to oversee all financial activity around the globe.

Here are some of the highlights (emphasis added):

A GMA (global monetary authority) would be a reinsurer or discounter for certain obligations held by central banks. It would scrutinise the regulatory activities of national authorities with more teeth than the IMF has and oversee the implementation of a limited number of global regulations. It would monitor global risks and establish an effective early warning system with more clout to sound alarms than the BIS has.

It would act as “bankruptcy court” for financial reorganisations of global companies above a certain size. The biggest global financial companies would have to register with the GMA and be subject to its monitoring, or be blacklisted. That includes commercial companies and banks, but also sovereign wealth funds, gigantic hedge funds and private equity firms.

The GMA’s board would have to include central bankers not just from the US, UK, the eurozone and Japan, but also China, Saudi Arabia and Brazil. It would be financed by mandatory contributions from every capable country and from insurance-type premiums from global financial companies – publicly listed, government owned, and privately held alike.


In a conclusion that smacks of problem, reaction, solution Garten adds “In terms of US and international politics, a Global Monetary Authority is probably an idea whose time has not yet come. That may change as today’s crisis evolves.”

What he describes is nothing less than a global financial dictatorship, operating across borders and forcing nations and corporations to register and adhere to strict monitoring and obey the same regulations. The implementation of such a system would represent total interventionism and the absolute final nail in the coffin of the free market.

Garten’s call for a GMA echoes a piece published in the FT back in June by Timothy Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Fresh from attending the Bilderberg conference in Chantilly, Virginia, Geithner called for a globalized banking system with “appropriate requirements for capital and liquidity”.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-kissinger-policy-planner-cfr-member-calls-for-new-global-monetary-authority.html