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Donger
09-26-2008, 10:38 PM
We've been hearing a substantial amount of noise from Barack Hussein followers that these debates would help Barack Hussein. Based on tonight's performance, I'd like an honest assessment. Did Barack Hussein's performance tonight:
1) Help him with regard to winning the GE?
2) Hurt him with regard to winning the GE?
Please provide reasons why in either case.
Thank you.
dirk digler
09-26-2008, 10:42 PM
Definitely helped. Looking at the polls coming out tonight women and independents broke heavy for Obama. He proved he could stand toe to toe with McCain on foreign policy and he didn't break a sweat
HolmeZz
09-26-2008, 10:42 PM
Help. This election is going to be an indictment on whether or not people want Obama. Obama's biggest weakness in terms of issues being polled has been foreign policy. He's been perceived as a novice and uneducated about foreign affairs. He went in there and more than held his own and in the process passed a threshhold he had to with voters IMO.
the Talking Can
09-26-2008, 10:43 PM
it helped him with the only people that matter now: undecideds
Ultra Peanut
09-26-2008, 10:44 PM
Helped him by A) getting through McCain's strongest perceived topic with nary a hiccup and bolstering his own standing when it comes to foreign policy, and B) further eliminated an opportunity for McCain to gain back ground on Obama.
Obama also used tonight as an opportunity to illustrate that he's much more like a friendly professor than a scary black man, and for many undecideds, this was their first chance to see that in a debate setting.
It did not hurt him, no matter how many times McCain's camp tries to play the "he agreed with McCain on inoffensive, undisputed details before launching into his rebuttal" card. That's weak sauce and no one except the base cares.
VAChief
09-26-2008, 10:44 PM
I think he could have done better for himself, but certainly the early numbers suggest he made a positive impression on those who did not have their minds made up already so I think that is probably a more fair assessment.
dirk digler
09-26-2008, 10:44 PM
The other debates are gravy now because they will be entirely focused on the economy and domestic issues for the most part unless something major happens on the foreign policy front
Donger
09-26-2008, 10:47 PM
The other debates are gravy now because they will be entirely focused on the economy and domestic issues for the most part unless something major happens on the foreign policy front
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.
the Talking Can
09-26-2008, 10:47 PM
I think he could have done better for himself, but certainly the early numbers suggest he made a positive impression on those who did not have their minds made up already so I think that is probably a more fair assessment.
he played it very conservatively...like herm with a lead
'Hamas' Jenkins
09-26-2008, 10:48 PM
Women broke for him by 20 points. Men were split. Independents broke huge for Obama. Regardless of what your talking points want you to believe, he is perceived to have won this debate, and nothing Alex Castellanos, Sean Hannity, or Pat Buchanan can say will change that.
KC Jones
09-26-2008, 10:49 PM
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.
I think you forgot to mention that McCain didn't win miss congeniality in the senate.
Ultra Peanut
09-26-2008, 10:49 PM
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.My friend, you're so full of shit that it's a wonder you can even see. As a matter of fact, that could be an explanation for your myopia.
Ultra Peanut
09-26-2008, 10:50 PM
Women broke for him by 20 points. Men were split. Independents broke huge for Obama. Regardless of what your talking points want you to believe, he is perceived to have won this debate, and nothing Alex Castellanos, Sean Hannity, or Pat Buchanan can say will change that.A tie is good for the guy who's LOSING, Hamas!!!!!!!!
HolmeZz
09-26-2008, 10:51 PM
Women broke for him by 20 points. Men were split. Independents broke huge for Obama. Regardless of what your talking points want you to believe, he is perceived to have won this debate, and nothing Alex Castellanos, Sean Hannity, or Pat Buchanan can say will change that.
Uh, what did Alex Castellanos say? I watched CNN's coverage of the debate and he actually scored the debate in Obama's favor.
The clock is running and Obama did nothing to cost himself the lead, he maybe even added a field goal. Heading to the 4th quarter, McCain needs points and turnovers and probably will have to recover an onside kick.
Who the f*** is this Barrack Hussein guy anyway?
irishjayhawk
09-26-2008, 10:51 PM
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.
I thought you wanted an honest assessment. If that's your attempt, I shudder.
Friendo
09-26-2008, 10:53 PM
I thought you wanted an honest assessment. If that's your attempt, I shudder.
why do you shudder?
the Talking Can
09-26-2008, 10:53 PM
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.
um, polls confirm that people believe mccain will be a continuation of bush's policy
obamas strategy has worked...i know republicans don't like facts...but you're spouting literal untruth....
dirk digler
09-26-2008, 10:53 PM
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.
McCain has no plan for education or healthcare and basic economic policies that will be asked by the townhall and the last debate.
So far the polls are showing me right and you wrong
Donger
09-26-2008, 10:55 PM
I thought you wanted an honest assessment. If that's your attempt, I shudder.
I think McCain pulled out a marginal win. Certainly not the drubbing that Barack Hussein followers seemed to be predicting.
Surely, you'd agree with that.
Ultra Peanut
09-26-2008, 10:55 PM
Uh, what did Alex Castellanos say? I watched CNN's coverage of the debate and he actually scored the debate in Obama's favor.Really? Earlier on CNN, he said that McCain looked more composed, and that a tie favored the person who's down in the polls.
Donger
09-26-2008, 10:56 PM
McCain has no plan for education or healthcare and basic economic policies that will be asked by the townhall and the last debate.
So far the polls are showing me right and you wrong
Sure he does. He's got a website. Just like Barack Hussein does.
As to the polls, let's take a day or two.
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.
One is not really a maverick if one needs to proclaim oneself a maverick. It's ok to let others call you that but making the claim comes across wrong, I believe.
Donger
09-26-2008, 10:57 PM
One is not really a maverick if one needs to proclaim oneself a maverick. It's ok to let others call you that but making the claim comes across wrong, I believe.
Why?
irishjayhawk
09-26-2008, 10:57 PM
I think McCain pulled out a marginal win. Certainly not the drubbing that Barack Hussein followers seemed to be predicting.
Surely, you'd agree with that.
That's not close to what you said in the other post. Not. Even. Close.
McCain did much better than I anticipated. However, I agree with HolmeZz. This election is a question of whether the American people want Obama or not.
In that light, McCain's mere attendance and non-bafoonery, was marginally surprising but not helpful for McCain.
Right now, it's Obama's election to lose. And Palin isn't helping, by the way.
'Hamas' Jenkins
09-26-2008, 10:57 PM
Really? Earlier on CNN, he said that McCain looked more composed, and that a tie favored the person who's down in the polls.
At first he said Obama scored more points, then said McCain won.
:spock:
I think McCain pulled out a marginal win. Certainly not the drubbing that Barack Hussein followers seemed to be predicting.
Surely, you'd agree with that.
I saw a draw.
Donger
09-26-2008, 10:59 PM
That's not close to what you said in the other post. Not. Even. Close.
McCain did much better than I anticipated. However, I agree with HolmeZz. This election is a question of whether the American people want Obama or not.
In that light, McCain's mere attendance and non-bafoonery, was marginally surprising but not helpful for McCain.
Right now, it's Obama's election to lose. And Palin isn't helping, by the way.
Yes, it is.
irishjayhawk
09-26-2008, 11:00 PM
Yes, it is.
Yes, it is; what?
dirk digler
09-26-2008, 11:00 PM
Sure he does. He's got a website. Just like Barack Hussein does.
As to the polls, let's take a day or two.
I agree let's wait a day or two but I think Obama may get a big lead coming out of this weekend. I could be wrong though
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:01 PM
Yes, it is; what?
It's exactly accurate to what I posted. McCain won this debate, marginally. Not a stomping by any means, but a victory nonetheless.
irishjayhawk
09-26-2008, 11:02 PM
I agree let's wait a day or two but I think Obama may get a big lead coming out of this weekend. I could be wrong though
I think that'll be more a product of Palin's CBS interview than the debate.
irishjayhawk
09-26-2008, 11:04 PM
It's exactly accurate to what I posted. McCain won this debate, marginally. Not a stomping by any means, but a victory nonetheless.
You said McCain was "very good". If McCain's "very good" only nets him a "marginal win", I don't really understand your view.
'Hamas' Jenkins
09-26-2008, 11:05 PM
You said McCain was "very good". If McCain's "very good" only nets him a "marginal win", I don't really understand your view.
McCain could have stood up and read The Wretched of the Earth for 90 minutes and Donger would say he won. The fact that he's saying it's a marginal win is an admission in and of itself.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:06 PM
You said McCain was "very good". If McCain's "very good" only nets him a "marginal win", I don't really understand your view.
Very good in relation to the floor-wiping that Barack Hussein followers seemed to think he was going to be given.
Everything's relative, my boy.
irishjayhawk
09-26-2008, 11:08 PM
Very good in relation to the floor-wiping that Barack Hussein followers seemed to think he was going to be given.
Everything's relative, my boy.
Oh, so everything you've said so far is in comparison to the Obama supporters saying there wasn't a chance in hell for McCain?
Great out.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:10 PM
Oh, so everything you've said so far is in comparison to the Obama supporters saying there wasn't a chance in hell for McCain?
Great out.
I don't support McCain. I oppose Barrack Hussein. I'd rather that not be the case, but it is.
I would hope that you'd have the courage to admit that Barack Hussein did not rise to the level that was expected of him tonight.
irishjayhawk
09-26-2008, 11:11 PM
I don't support McCain. I oppose Barrack Hussein. I'd rather that not be the case, but it is.
I would hope that you'd have the courage to admit that Barack Hussein did not rise to the level that was expected of him tonight.
I didn't really have a level for Obama.
I did already admit that McCain rose above my expectations.
dirk digler
09-26-2008, 11:13 PM
I don't support McCain. I oppose Barrack Hussein. I'd rather that not be the case, but it is.
I would hope that you'd have the courage to admit that Barack Hussein did not rise to the level that was expected of him tonight.
YOU = FAIL
Mark Halperin Time Magazine
Overall: Went for a solid, consistent performance to introduce himself to the country. He did not seem nervous, tentative, or intimidated by the event, and avoided mistakes from his weak debate performances during nomination season (a professorial tone and long winded answers). Standing comfortably on the stage with his rival, he showed he belonged — evocative of Reagan, circa 1980. He was so confident by the end that he reminded his biggest audience yet that his father was from Kenya. Two more performances like that and he will be very tough to beat on Election Day.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:13 PM
I didn't really have a level for Obama.
I did already admit that McCain rose above my expectations.
Good for you. FWIW, you aren't one that springs to mind when "stupid, senile, old man" rears it's unfortunate head here.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:15 PM
YOU = FAIL
He gave the impression of an amateur without a teleprompter, as predicted and expected.
Ultra Peanut
09-26-2008, 11:15 PM
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Frankie
09-26-2008, 11:16 PM
Who the f*** is this Barrack Hussein guy anyway?
Donger likes to invoke Obama's middle name to carry out his right wing masters' directive to pass him off as this mythical scary Muslim.
dirk digler
09-26-2008, 11:18 PM
He gave the impression of an amateur without a teleprompter, as predicted and expected.
LMAO
You couldn't be any more wrong.
And for what it is worth I predicted earlier tonight in several threads that I thought McCain would do well tonight. I thought he did ok and I thought Obama did ok. No major blunders from either one.
Frankie
09-26-2008, 11:19 PM
One is not really a maverick if one needs to proclaim oneself a maverick. It's ok to let others call you that but making the claim comes across wrong, I believe.
That's exactly right.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:20 PM
LMAO
You couldn't be any more wrong.
And for what it is worth I predicted earlier tonight in several threads that I thought McCain would do well tonight. I thought he did ok and I thought Obama did ok. No major blunders from either one.
I consider it a marginal win for McCain, considering how most people seemed to think that Barack Hussein would tear McCain up.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:21 PM
Donger likes to invoke Obama's middle name to carry out his right wing masters' directive to pass him off as this mythical scary Muslim.
I have no masters, Frankie.
Logical
09-26-2008, 11:24 PM
Helped him with three key demographics, Indys, Over 50s and Women. Polls so far match my opinion.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:25 PM
Helped him with three key demographics, Indys, Over 50s and Women. Polls so far match my opinion.
I always knew you were a skirt.
Logical
09-26-2008, 11:27 PM
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.John has spent the last 4 years blowing that whole maverick thing. He would not have to say it so often if people still viewed him as one.
Logical
09-26-2008, 11:28 PM
I always knew you were a skirt.
Not sure what that means. So it really means nothing to me.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:28 PM
Not sure what that means. So it really means nothing to me.
It was a joke, Logical.
Logical
09-26-2008, 11:28 PM
I have no masters, Frankie.We all know.;)
DaneMcCloud
09-26-2008, 11:30 PM
John has spent the last 4 years blowing that whole maverick thing. He would not have to say it so often if people still viewed him as one.
Exactly.
It's like saying "I'm smart. See, I did this thing. I'm smart. Everyone says I'm smart. I'm smart".
The only person he was convinced was himself.
Logical
09-26-2008, 11:30 PM
It was a joke, Logical.Missed the humor because it was a non-sequiter with my point.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:31 PM
Exactly.
It's like saying "I'm smart. See, I did this thing. I'm smart. Everyone says I'm smart. I'm smart".
The only person he was convinced was himself.
Well, let's take a look at McCain's party line voting versus Barack Hussein's, for example. Who is the maverick between the two?
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:32 PM
Missed the humor because it was a non-sequiter with my point.
"Screw U if U can't take a joke"
Logical
09-26-2008, 11:33 PM
I don't support McCain. I oppose Barrack Hussein. I'd rather that not be the case, but it is.
I would hope that you'd have the courage to admit that Barack Hussein did not rise to the level that was expected of him tonight.:spock: Obama was expected to lose the FP debate, so I am not sure how you see it this way.
Logical
09-26-2008, 11:34 PM
"Screw U if U can't take a joke"Oh so when you were talking about angry old man, it was not McCain but yourself, not I get it.:D
DaneMcCloud
09-26-2008, 11:34 PM
Well, let's take a look at McCain's party line voting versus Barack Hussein's, for example. Who is the maverick between the two?
So in your opinion, differing from the party line by 10% the past eight years is the definition of a "maverick"?
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:35 PM
:spock: Obama was expected to lose the FP debate, so I am not sure how you see it this way.
Considering some of what I've seen here, Barack Hussein should win any debate, FP or not.
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:37 PM
So in your opinion, differing from the party line by 10% the past eight years is the definition of a "maverick"?
In comparison to Barack Hussein's voting record? I don't know. But I'd be willing to wager that he hasn't bucked the party line as much. Wouldn't you?
DaneMcCloud
09-26-2008, 11:37 PM
In comparison to Barack Hussein's voting record? I don't know. But I'd be willing to wager that he hasn't bucked the party line as much. Wouldn't you?
Obama didn't declare himself as a "Maverick" of his own party, did he?
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:38 PM
Obama didn't declare himself as a "Maverick" of his own party, did he?
No. Why?
DaneMcCloud
09-26-2008, 11:40 PM
No. Why?
Then your question is moot
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:42 PM
Then your question is moot
Only if you chose to make the declaration non-relative. If you're fine with Barack Hussein voting party-line, that's okay.
DaneMcCloud
09-26-2008, 11:45 PM
Only if you chose to make the declaration non-relative. If you're fine with Barack Hussein voting party-line, that's okay.
If it's the Democratic Party line, the party that he represents, then yes, I'm okay with it.
I take it that you aren't? Are you implying that a Democrat should be voting Republican?
Donger
09-26-2008, 11:49 PM
If it's the Democratic Party line, the party that he represents, then yes, I'm okay with it.
I take it that you aren't? Are you implying that a Democrat should be voting Republican?
I'm fine with McCain being independent enough to vote his conscious when it doesn't conform with party-line thinking.
DaneMcCloud
09-26-2008, 11:56 PM
I'm fine with McCain being independent enough to vote his conscious when it doesn't conform with party-line thinking.
And that makes him a "Maverick"?
Taco John
09-26-2008, 11:59 PM
According to Krauthammer, the debate was a draw, and in his opinion thus a win for Obama because Foreign Policy was supposed to be McCain's strong suit.
Smed1065
09-26-2008, 11:59 PM
Honestly, I don't see any reason to believe that. McCain has been around a long time, and is very good (as tonight's debate illustrated). He also has a demonstrable record of being a maverick, negating any attempt by Barack Hussein to lump him in with Bush.
Barack Hussein appeared an amateur tonight, which of course he is. I doubt that the policy being discussed will have much influence, to be blunt.
He kept saying Maverick but he also did not deny the 90% voting with Bush? 90% is a maverick, I questioned that.
Silock
09-27-2008, 12:03 AM
Women broke for him by 20 points. Men were split. Independents broke huge for Obama. Regardless of what your talking points want you to believe, he is perceived to have won this debate, and nothing Alex Castellanos, Sean Hannity, or Pat Buchanan can say will change that.
Kerry supposedly beat Bush, too.
Just sayin'.
Donger
09-27-2008, 12:27 AM
And that makes him a "Maverick"?
Sure.
Smed1065
09-27-2008, 12:36 AM
Sure.
So the average American is a "maverick" because they obey all the laws 90% of the time?
ROFL
Raiderhater58
09-27-2008, 02:22 AM
Maverick
Miss Congeneality
Sherriff
Does he want to be president or an actor?
Mecca
09-27-2008, 03:14 AM
Kerry supposedly beat Bush, too.
Just sayin'.
Difference being Bush was leading in the polls....
Who the f*** is this Barrack Hussein guy anyway?Frankie, is that you?
Donger likes to invoke Obama's middle name to carry out his right wing masters' directive to pass him off as this mythical scary Muslim.No, he does it to **** with you. :D
I have no masters, Frankie.Other than the misses...:D
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