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B_Ambuehl
09-27-2008, 11:15 PM
I'd go ahead and scratch his name off the list. He's another Kyle Boller at best. He has an arm but doesn't have the inherent mental processing skills needed. He totally locks in on his first read and completely falls apart when that doesn't work out. UGA has a receiving corp that rivals that of some NFL teams so he'll have impressive stats, but Croyle actually has a lot more going for him as an NFL quarterback.

Douche Baggins
09-27-2008, 11:16 PM
Mecca in 3...2...1...

Tribal Warfare
09-27-2008, 11:16 PM
He's nothing like Boller, if any comparison that he's similar to is Farve.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:18 PM
Um dude, their WR's are complete ass, AJ Green is the only one who's any good, the rest of their guys don't separate and drop balls at huge rates.

Deberg_1990
09-27-2008, 11:18 PM
but Croyle actually has a lot more going for him as an NFL quarterback.


Croyle?? The guy who cant stay healthy for more than 5 minutes?

HolmeZz
09-27-2008, 11:18 PM
That's a pretty retarded post.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:20 PM
This honestly makes 0 sense, every QB with a huge arm is not a retard, I've seen that kind of implication put out alot lately. Because a guy has elite physical talent or a huge arm does not make him Kyle Boller or JaMarcus Russell.

HolmeZz
09-27-2008, 11:21 PM
Stafford made a handful of really good plays when the intial plays broke down tonight.

MGRS13
09-27-2008, 11:21 PM
but Croyle actually has a lot more going for him as an NFL quarterback.Croyle can't make it through 4 quarters. He's got nothing going for him. If Stafford can play 3 games and show up for the fourth he's all ready a better nfl qb then Croyle no matter what his numbers are.

Tribal Warfare
09-27-2008, 11:23 PM
Stafford made a handful of really good plays when the intial plays broke down tonight.

in all honesty, he displayed top 5 recognition as a prospect against Alabama.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:25 PM
Croyle can't make it through 4 quarters. He's got nothing going for him. If Stafford can play 3 games and show up for the fourth he's all ready a better nfl qb then Croyle no matter what his numbers are.

Stafford looks like he ate Brodie Croyle so atleast he looks like he can handle the position physically, that alone means he has more going for him.

B_Ambuehl
09-27-2008, 11:25 PM
Yeah and AJ Green is good enough and draws enough attention he makes everything easy for the rest of their receiving corps and all of them are good athletes. I'd bet a lot of NFL teams would give up a 1st rounder for Green right now. Go back through the game tonight and see how many times Stafford went to a 2nd read. He threw into double coverage 10 times at least and were he facing an NFL defense would've been picked off at least 5 times.

We'll see for sure in 5 years but he sure looks like a good potential waste of a draft pick to me.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:26 PM
I'd like you to tell me how many balls his guys dropped, that Murphy dude dropped 3 or 4 all by himself....

SBK
09-27-2008, 11:26 PM
This first post in this thread is dumber than findthedouches rants about Trevor Laws last year.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:27 PM
Personally I see alot of Jay Cutler in Matt Stafford, and a little Carson Palmer.

Deberg_1990
09-27-2008, 11:28 PM
Let me guess B_Ambuehl,

You dont want the Chiefs to draft a QB unless hes the 2nd coming of Elway or Manning right?

MGRS13
09-27-2008, 11:28 PM
Stafford looks like he ate Brodie Croyle so atleast he looks like he can handle the position physically, that alone means he has more going for him.
Yea hes a big kid. Got a hell of an arm and a quick release. Of course we''ed need a coaching staff that understands the forward pass so he wouldn't have that going for him.

ChiefsCountry
09-27-2008, 11:29 PM
Stafford's main problem is forcing the issue and reading defenses. Its correctable though.

SBK
09-27-2008, 11:29 PM
Yeah and AJ Green is good enough and draws enough attention he makes everything easy for the rest of their receiving corps and all of them are good athletes. I'd bet a lot of NFL teams would give up a 1st rounder for Green right now. Go back through the game tonight and see how many times Stafford went to a 2nd read. He threw into double coverage 10 times at least and were he facing an NFL defense would've been picked off at least 5 times.

We'll see for sure in 5 years but he sure looks like a good potential waste of a draft pick to me.

The WR's suck, and nobody was ever open. When you're down big you have to take chances.

Heck, in the first half he had an incompletion that he threw 70 yards and hit the guy in the numbers....#82 dropped everything thrown at him. Well, he did have 2 catches that were great, but he dropped a half dozen other ones.

Without Stafford UGA isn't even a top 25 team.

B_Ambuehl
09-27-2008, 11:30 PM
Well from what I saw most of the dropped balls came because they were thrown into double coverage and guys were trying to catch the ball either diving to the ground or with defenders draped all over them. I'd like you to tell me how many times Stafford went to a 2nd read. It's not like Alabamas defense is THAT good, but every pass was blanketed by defenders because all they had to do was read the QBs eyes.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:31 PM
The WR's suck, and nobody was ever open. When you're down big you have to take chances.

Heck, in the first half he had an incompletion that he threw 70 yards and hit the guy in the numbers....#82 dropped everything thrown at him. Well, he did have 2 catches that were great, but he dropped a half dozen other ones.

Without Stafford UGA isn't even a top 25 team.

People look at their team and don't realize this, they have makeshift line LT out for the year already, true freshman Center. AJ Green is his only receiver their TE's are awful.....most people just know he has Moreno but how much does that really help him when his WR's can't get open?

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:32 PM
Well from what I saw most of the dropped balls came because they were thrown into double coverage and guys were trying to catch the ball either diving to the ground or with defenders draped all over them. I'd like you to tell me how many times Stafford went to a 2nd read. It's not like Alabamas defense is THAT good, but every pass was blanketed by defenders because all they had to do was read the QBs eyes.

They're WR's don't separate ever....he literally has to needle the ball into tiny windows 8 out of 10 times just to complete passes.

If you honestly think they have an NFL WR corp I question your sanity.

Tribal Warfare
09-27-2008, 11:32 PM
Stafford's main problem is forcing the issue and reading defenses. Its correctable though.

Hence my Brett Favre comparison

KcMizzou
09-27-2008, 11:34 PM
I know it's silly... but that short kid from Mizzou could turn out to be good...

I know, I know.. just sayin'.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:35 PM
I know it's silly... but that short kid from Mizzou could turn out to be good...

I know, I know.. just sayin'.

Where's Maddog he can talk about Daniel playing some slot WR.

KcMizzou
09-27-2008, 11:37 PM
Where's Maddog he can talk about Daniel playing some slot WR.Brad Smith, yeah...

Chase Daniel... not so much.

SNR
09-27-2008, 11:37 PM
Stafford's been more impressive this year than Sanchez or that guy from Oklahoma, though I've only seen about a game on each of these guys. Tough to say.

Tribal Warfare
09-27-2008, 11:37 PM
Another thing If KC does draft Stafford he needs to get a hold of Gonzalez's nutritionist.Which would help his mobility and longevity too.

ChiefsCountry
09-27-2008, 11:38 PM
Where's Maddog he can talk about Daniel playing some slot WR.

ROFL That was a classic.

KcMizzou
09-27-2008, 11:39 PM
ROFL That was a classic.
I guess I missed it...

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:40 PM
Stafford's been more impressive this year than Sanchez or that guy from Oklahoma, though I've only seen about a game on each of these guys. Tough to say.

Oh you just downed the Big 12 guy prepare for outrage!

I still hold my belief if Stafford was the OU QB and Bradford was the UGA QB we'd be having a different argument.

ChiefsCountry
09-27-2008, 11:40 PM
I guess I missed it...

It was about Andre Woodson from Kentucky.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:41 PM
I guess I missed it...

Last year he said Andre Woodson would have to switch to WR, a guy who is 6'5 and runs a 4.9 40, it was like saying Matt Ryan could play some QB...then he got offended when I said, just because he's a black QB doesn't mean he can run.

MGRS13
09-27-2008, 11:44 PM
Stafford with the first pick over all would be ok in my book........and for you mizzou guys I'd be fine with throwing a 7th out there for daniels, god knows he'd be better then Hutard or Thigpen.

ChiefsCountry
09-27-2008, 11:44 PM
Oh you just downed the Big 12 guy prepare for outrage!

I still hold my belief if Stafford was the OU QB and Bradford was the UGA QB we'd be having a different argument.

Not this again. :rolleyes:

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:45 PM
Not this again. :rolleyes:

All I want to know is where Bradford makes NFL throws, I don't care if he throws for 800 yards a game, I just want to see him make an NFL throw.

KcMizzou
09-27-2008, 11:46 PM
Stafford with the first pick over all would be ok in my book........and for you mizzou guys I'd be fine with throwing a 7th out there for daniels, god knows he'd be better then Hutard or Thigpen.Hmmm... ok...

But Daniel's worth more than a 7th. I'm thinking he might go in the 3rd. And he might be a steal...

MGRS13
09-27-2008, 11:48 PM
All I want to know is where Bradford makes NFL throws, I don't care if he throws for 800 yards a game, I just want to see him make an NFL throw.He can throw an out. He has to take a few steps into the long ball though. I think he'll play in the league though. He's not coming out next year any ways. The pick for the chiefs will be either Sanchez or Stafford, I'd be fine with either I just want a legit prospect.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:49 PM
Hmmm... ok...

But Daniel's worth more than a 7th. I'm thinking he might go in the 3rd. And he might be a steal...

I dunno his height is going to be a major concern, it would be like a WR running a 4.8 40.

ChiefsCountry
09-27-2008, 11:50 PM
All I want to know is where Bradford makes NFL throws, I don't care if he throws for 800 yards a game, I just want to see him make an NFL throw.

He makes quite a few. He threw alot of them tonight, didn't play the greatest in my opinion tonight bc he was forcing things.

MGRS13
09-27-2008, 11:50 PM
Hmmm... ok...

But Daniel's worth more than a 7th. I'm thinking he might go in the 3rd. And he might be a steal...
If he goes in the third I'd be really surprised. You also have to draft his offensive cordinator and I don't think thats gonna happen. He's a late 5th to 7th guy.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:52 PM
He makes quite a few. He threw alot of them tonight, didn't play the greatest in my opinion tonight bc he was forcing things.

I've still yet to see him throw the ball 15 yards downfield into a window. That's an NFL throw.

I get kind of a Pennington vibe off of him sometimes.....Pennington before the rotator cuff issues.

B_Ambuehl
09-27-2008, 11:54 PM
Staffords main problem is he's left brain dominant.....like Ryan Leaf, Vinnie Testaverde

95% of NFL quarterbacks and ALL of the great ones are right brain dominant. Here's a couple of interviews with the brain doc, Jonathan Niednagel on the subject.

http://braintypes.com/media/coldpizza.htm

http://braintypes.com/media/espn.htm

MGRS13
09-27-2008, 11:54 PM
I've still yet to see him throw the ball 15 yards downfield into a window. That's an NFL throw.

I get kind of a Pennington vibe off of him sometimes.....Pennington before the rotator cuff issues.
He's got a better arm then pennington. he is a accuracy guy though, but all that being said he's got way more upside the Croyle.

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:55 PM
He's got a better arm then pennington. he is a accuracy guy though, but all that being said he's got way more upside the Croyle.

Before he tore his rototor cuff Pennington had an ok arm, that's why I said before that, he to me resembles Pennington coming out of college. Pennington looked awesome cause he got to throw to Moss who no one could cover...

Mecca
09-27-2008, 11:56 PM
Staffords main problem is he's left brain dominant.....like Ryan Leaf, Vinnie Testaverde

95% of NFL quarterbacks and ALL of the great ones are right brain dominant. Here's a couple of interviews with the brain doc, Jonathan Niednagel on the subject.

http://braintypes.com/media/coldpizza.htm

http://braintypes.com/media/espn.htm

How do you even know he's left brain dominant.....where is this information at..

I also watched a guy with a theory similar to this one say Carson Palmer would be a bust.

KcMizzou
09-27-2008, 11:58 PM
I dunno his height is going to be a major concern, it would be like a WR running a 4.8 40.Yeah... kinda sucks for him.

He's perfect for what he does right now. (In Mizzou's offense)

I'd take him on KC's roster in a second... He's got the awareness, durability, and accuracy that none of our other QBs seem to have.

If he was there in the later rounds... (say 4 -5?) I say we should grab him.

KcMizzou
09-27-2008, 11:59 PM
Maybe it's just the homer in me...

But the guy's a winner.

chiefs1111
09-28-2008, 12:00 AM
Stafford I think can be good with the right kinda of coaching. Someone who knows how to develop and handle young QB's. Lord knows,Herm isn't that guy...

ChiefsCountry
09-28-2008, 12:01 AM
Now if you could just merge Daniel and Stafford together, you could have the perfect quarterback. Of course he might look like Jared Lorenzen though.

Mecca
09-28-2008, 12:01 AM
Stafford I think can be good with the right kinda of coaching. Someone who knows how to develop and handle young QB's. Lord knows,Herm isn't that guy...

Herm would probably hate Stafford, Stafford does have that Favre attitude at times of, **** I can make this throw that no one else in the world can.

Ultra Peanut
09-28-2008, 12:02 AM
You morons just wait. Thigpen is going to be a star by the end of this season.

chiefs1111
09-28-2008, 12:02 AM
Maybe it's just the homer in me...

But the guy's a winner.

Maybe Will Franklin will talk him up to the coaches and front office when the draft rolls around. You never know....

ChiefsCountry
09-28-2008, 12:03 AM
Herm would probably hate Stafford, Stafford does have that Favre attitude at times of, **** I can make this throw that no one else in the world can.

Brodie had that attitude at Bama and look what Herm did to him.

chiefs1111
09-28-2008, 12:03 AM
Herm would probably hate Stafford, Stafford does have that Favre attitude at times of, **** I can make this throw that no one else in the world can.

Yeah,now that I think on it a little more,I doubt Herm would even take him... Which for Stafford would probably be a good thing

Mecca
09-28-2008, 12:04 AM
Well the slight difference there is the organization would be alot more committed to a guy taken with the #1 pick, if he said he hated the coach there's a good chance that guy would be fired.

ChiefsCountry
09-28-2008, 12:05 AM
Well the slight difference there is the organization would be alot more committed to a guy taken with the #1 pick, if he said he hated the coach there's a good chance that guy would be fired.

And then you have King Carl.

Mecca
09-28-2008, 12:06 AM
Also I don't think Herm or Carl have the balls to use a #1 pick on a QB, if we all want one we need to hope the team is bad enough that they're all fired.

chiefs1111
09-28-2008, 12:07 AM
Also I don't think Herm or Carl have the balls to use a #1 pick on a QB, if we all want one we need to hope the team is bad enough that they're all fired.

Well lets hope that is the case

KcMizzou
09-28-2008, 12:08 AM
Also I don't think Herm or Carl have the balls to use a #1 pick on a QB, if we all want one we need to hope the team is bad enough that they're all fired.I agree.. A QB at #1 is too risky.... hell, even in the first round.

They don't have the sack for it...

Mecca
09-28-2008, 12:09 AM
I agree.. A QB at #1 is too risky.... hell, even in the first round.

They don't have the sack for it...

Personally I'd pull the trigger but I'd rather try to win something than just be ok.

chiefs1111
09-28-2008, 12:11 AM
I agree.. A QB at #1 is too risky.... hell, even in the first round.

They don't have the sack for it...

Yeah,Herm will want to take a kicker lol

KcMizzou
09-28-2008, 12:13 AM
It's a waste of a pick anyway...

We can pick up some cast-off vet and go 9-7 again.

:sulk:

BigRock
09-28-2008, 12:15 AM
I'm afraid I have to question the talent evaluation skills of anyone who has "Will Svitek - future pro bowl OT" in their sig.

KcMizzou
09-28-2008, 12:15 AM
I'm afraid I have to question the talent evaluation of anyone who has "Will Svitek - future pro bowl OT" in their sig.LMAO

Good point.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-28-2008, 12:26 AM
There is NO way Herm and Carl are still here if we win like only 2-4 games this year. That's not rebuilding, that's regressing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 04:22 AM
I don't know how you couldn't watch that game and come away impressed from the potential you saw in Stafford. It's not just the arm strength, the guy is an accurate passer and he has to make tough throws to receivers who are wearing DBs like blankets. Some of those across the body throws he made tonight were unreal. It's not his fault his line can't block for shit and his WRs suck dick.

Mr. Arrowhead
09-28-2008, 04:25 AM
The guy dont have alot of talent he plays with and that alone would make him a great pick, because when he gets here, he would be used to not playing with great talent

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 04:27 AM
The guy dont have alot of talent he plays with and that alone would make him a great pick, because when he gets here, he would be used to not playing with great talent

I was aghast at how bad that Georgia offensive unit was. They are legitimately terrible.

CoMoChief
09-28-2008, 04:32 AM
The plan is simple......Not Herm's plan but the right plan.

If we draft a QB in the first round with our more than likely top 5 pick..........Herm and his staff (offensively) should not be allowed to touch him.

Fire Herm is a QB is drafted.. The last thing we need is to have a top 5 pick be so afraid of turning the ball over that all he does is check down etc.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 04:36 AM
The plan is simple......Not Herm's plan but the right plan.

If we draft a QB in the first round with our more than likely top 5 pick..........Herm and his staff (offensively) should not be allowed to touch him.

Fire Herm is a QB is drafted.. The last thing we need is to have a top 5 pick be so afraid of turning the ball over that all he does is check down etc.

Just fire Herm period.

RedandGold
09-28-2008, 06:49 AM
Just fire Herm period.

Can I get an, "AMEN"

the Talking Can
09-28-2008, 06:56 AM
I don't know how you couldn't watch that game and come away impressed from the potential you saw in Stafford. It's not just the arm strength, the guy is an accurate passer and he has to make tough throws to receivers who are wearing DBs like blankets. Some of those across the body throws he made tonight were unreal. It's not his fault his line can't block for shit and his WRs suck dick.

this

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
09-28-2008, 07:02 AM
Personally I see alot of Jay Cutler in Matt Stafford, and a little Carson Palmer.


Dude not sure what kind of porn you watch; but please leave it out of here.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
09-28-2008, 07:06 AM
My 2 cents............

If the Chiefs have a chance to draft Stafford they damn well better do it.

BCD
09-28-2008, 07:08 AM
Mecca in 3...2...1...Mecca actually liked Woodson...:D

mylittlepony
09-28-2008, 07:45 AM
The Planet locks onto one target aswell. If they didnt there would be more talk about Greg Hardy who absolutly tore up the gators.

milkman
09-28-2008, 07:54 AM
The Planet locks onto one target aswell. If they didnt there would be more talk about Greg Hardy who absolutly tore up the gators.

There's a lot of players that I'd love to be able to draft.

Hardy is one, George Selvie is another.

But the fact is, this team needs a QB, and Stafford looks like the guy that can be a franchise QB.

The Bad Guy
09-28-2008, 08:00 AM
I'd go ahead and scratch his name off the list. He's another Kyle Boller at best. He has an arm but doesn't have the inherent mental processing skills needed. He totally locks in on his first read and completely falls apart when that doesn't work out. UGA has a receiving corp that rivals that of some NFL teams so he'll have impressive stats, but Croyle actually has a lot more going for him as an NFL quarterback.

Just another post as to why you are a complete moron.

Croyle has more going for him than Stafford?

Just stop. Are you trying to be the male Tommykat of this board?

The Bad Guy
09-28-2008, 08:03 AM
Staffords main problem is he's left brain dominant.....like Ryan Leaf, Vinnie Testaverde

95% of NFL quarterbacks and ALL of the great ones are right brain dominant. Here's a couple of interviews with the brain doc, Jonathan Niednagel on the subject.

http://braintypes.com/media/coldpizza.htm

http://braintypes.com/media/espn.htm

Let me know when Will Svitek is going to the Pro Bowl.

mylittlepony
09-28-2008, 08:14 AM
There's a lot of players that I'd love to be able to draft.

Hardy is one, George Selvie is another.

But the fact is, this team needs a QB, and Stafford looks like the guy that can be a franchise QB.

Agreed, but its not like this team dont need a dominant DE either. They are playing the Cover two without a passrush. Hardy could push this defence into the top 5. Im just saying, no need to go QB crazy just yet there might be a mario williams in this draft aswell. Im all for drafting the best player.

Brock
09-28-2008, 08:22 AM
UGA has a receiving corp that rivals that of some NFL teams

LOLz

milkman
09-28-2008, 08:29 AM
Agreed, but its not like this team dont need a dominant DE either. They are playing the Cover two without a passrush. Hardy could push this defense into the top 5. Im just saying, no need to go QB crazy just yet there might be a mario williams in this draft aswell. Im all for drafting the best player.

I understand and agree, we do need a dominant DE, but this is now, more than ever, a QB driven league.

So in The BPA draft strategy, one also has to take positional value into account.

As I saw it, Mario Williams wasn't only the BPA, but his position has more value than RB, so I thouht that was the smart pick.

QB is the most important position on the field.

Hardy might be a better athlete, but because of position, Stafford is the better player.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 08:31 AM
I guarantee you that if Houston had that pick to do over again, they'd pick Jay Cutler over Mario Williams.

It would save them 2 2nd round draft picks (Schaub), and 2 slots of 1st round position.

Brock
09-28-2008, 08:33 AM
I guarantee you that if Houston had that pick to do over again, they'd pick Jay Cutler over Mario Williams.

It would save them 2 2nd round draft picks (Schaub), and 2 slots of 1st round position.

Cutler made a lot of teams look stupid.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 08:36 AM
Cutler made a lot of teams look stupid.

No doubt. But it's definite proof that even if Williams was the best athlete, and had the highest grade, he really wasn't the best player relative to total impact on the team.

Brock
09-28-2008, 08:37 AM
No doubt. But it's definite proof that even if Williams was the best athlete, and had the highest grade, he really wasn't the best player relative to total impact on the team.

Oh, no doubt. We'd better not miss the boat on this.

milkman
09-28-2008, 08:41 AM
Oh, no doubt. We'd better not miss the boat on this.

Miss it?

Hell, I'm betting we don't even know that there is a boat.

milkman
09-28-2008, 08:42 AM
No doubt. But it's definite proof that even if Williams was the best athlete, and had the highest grade, he really wasn't the best player relative to total impact on the team.

That's an entirely different argument than Williams v. Bush, but yeah.

DeezNutz
09-28-2008, 08:44 AM
Is this where we all decide to support the selection of Oher? He can block AND throw. Beat Florida by himself yesterday...

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 08:51 AM
Miss it?

Hell, I'm betting we don't even know that there is a boat.

MLB, FTL!!!

milkman
09-28-2008, 08:55 AM
MLB, FTL!!!

Middle Linebacker, for the loss?

mylittlepony
09-28-2008, 09:03 AM
No doubt. But it's definite proof that even if Williams was the best athlete, and had the highest grade, he really wasn't the best player relative to total impact on the team.

Im sure they are bawling their eyes out over the 14 sack season he had last year.

Gravedigger
09-28-2008, 09:06 AM
Personally I see alot of Jay Cutler in Matt Stafford, and a little Carson Palmer.

I agree alot in this, he can make it rain, he can throw the ball 65 yards while rolling out on his back foot and have it be accurate. If anything last night proved is that he can run the 2 minute drill with his arm better than any other QB in college. Georgia had soooooo many penalties last night compared to Alabama, and the ONE INTERCEPTION that Stafford had wasn't even his fault, the reciever Green (Freshman who can supposedly rival most NFL recievers) dropped the ball considerably. There were so many dropped passes and penalties that Stafford had to continue throwing, he couldn't rely on Knowshon Moreno anymore. And when he was throwing that ball in the second half he rocketed that ball in and in most cases his recievers just couldn't catch it or couldn't hold onto it. Outside of the kickoff return for a TD Georgia owes Matt Stafford the remaining 23 points of their score cause it was all him. Penalties, sloppy defense, and dropped passes are what cost Georgia the game last night, NOT Matt Stafford.

Brock
09-28-2008, 09:07 AM
Im sure they are bawling their eyes out over the 14 sack season he had last year.

The question was "Do you think the Texans would still draft him over Cutler?"

mylittlepony
09-28-2008, 09:12 AM
The question was "Do you think the Texans would still draft him over Cutler?"

Jay Cutler was a top 10 QB in what QB category last year?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 09:14 AM
Jay Cutler was a top 10 QB in what QB category last year?

I didn't realize that franchises played games in "last year".

The Bad Guy
09-28-2008, 09:15 AM
Im sure they are bawling their eyes out over the 14 sack season he had last year.

You're missing the point.

He could have 20 sacks, and he will never impact the game like a stud QB would.

Brock
09-28-2008, 09:18 AM
Jay Cutler was a top 10 QB in what QB category last year?

Jay Cutler will be a top 10 QB for the NEXT 10 YEARS most likely. Are you seeing it yet?

mylittlepony
09-28-2008, 09:19 AM
I didn't realize that franchises played games in "last year".

Oh, "what have you done for me lately?"

Cool Mario Williams has 2 sacks in 2 games so far.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 09:23 AM
Oh, "what have you done for me lately?"

Cool Mario Williams has 2 sacks in 2 games so far.

I'm sure that is as much of an impact as 8 touchdown passes and almost 1000 yards from scrimmage.

Gravedigger
09-28-2008, 09:32 AM
Here's the way I see the QB's:

Sanchez- Flavor of the week, no better than Matt Cassell in my mind, maybe some better physical aspects but all I see is ego. He might be better than what we have but he's not someone you can build a franchise around.

Freeman- No. Everyone I talk to says he reminds me of JaMarcus Russell... in case anyone has noticed that doesn't mean a good thing. JaMarcus Russell was a great passer in college but with the Raiders he's a joke, the Raiders were more of a pass efficient team under Kerry Collins than they are under JaMarcus, if the Raiders run game didn't have McFadden they wouldn't have beaten us like that... well if we didn't start Thigpen too but you get my drift. Josh Freeman is just physical, that's all people are drooling about, but that doesn't mean he's a good quarterback.

Bradford- I'd take him with a top Olineman like Oher, but the way people are talking is that its gonna be a heavy QB first round unlike last year with only Ryan and Flacco, so I don't think we can get both. He's the smartest quarterbacks with the best decision making but without the right system I don't think he can be that Peyton Manning. Also Alex Smith was the most intelligent quarterback and best decision maker and now he's sitting and second to some guy you've never really heard of and Aaron Rodgers, which is playing almost as well as Favre did with that Packers organization. Bradford could be a very good QB but if he goes to the Lions I dont think he'll get anywhere.

Stafford- Yes he can make mistakes, he can stare down a reciever every now and then but look at his throwing ability. Every QB in college can throw the ball 50 or 60 yards in a hail-mary type fashion, but Stafford ZINGS, ROCKETS, BULLETS that pass. Every single one of his passes has enough velocity on it to kill small children and cheerleaders who are foolish enough to get in its path. Here in KC we don't need a person who can hand off the ball with little passing ability, or else we'd have Huard. We don't need a QB with amazing physical traits, of that of a TE, but can't make good decisions. We don't need need a premadonna from USC who is in his first real year of starting as a QB and just happens to have a good record against half-ass teams in a USC system that made Matt Leinart look good. We need a gunslinger, we need a guy who will take a ****in chance, who we can say he might have thrown it into double coverage but he got it there before the coverage could close. We need a guy who will reenergize the franchise and put fans in the stands again. We need an Elway, we need a Palmer, we need a Manning, and we need a Cutler. He's the best prospect coming out of college for the next 3 years it seems. This is what we need, and if there is a great draft pick that we can get right now to lead our team with excitement,electricity, and the best arm we've seen in quite some time. My friends, we need Matt Stafford.

mylittlepony
09-28-2008, 09:34 AM
He played Oakland who the Chiefs threw on for crying out loud. New Orleans who has what both their starters injured and still arnt considdered a good defence. And SD who are second to last against the pass. Give me a break. The guy has a cushy start and you crown him.

Either way he wasnt the third QB picked showing what a crapshoot the draft really is. But not basing your pick of who is the best athlete is how you end up with Vince Young or Reggie Bush instead of a stud like Mario Williams.

Brock
09-28-2008, 09:36 AM
Either way he wasnt the third QB picked showing what a crapshoot the draft really is. But not basing your pick of who is the best athlete is how you end up with Vince Young or Reggie Bush instead of a stud like Mario Williams.

Wrong. You end up with Vince Young by not listening to your coaches and not doing your homework. Nobody's saying Williams isn't a great player, but he isn't going to have the same impact that Cutler will likely have over the next decade.

BigVE
09-28-2008, 09:37 AM
Here's the way I see the QB's:

Sanchez- Flavor of the week, no better than Matt Cassell in my mind, maybe some better physical aspects but all I see is ego. He might be better than what we have but he's not someone you can build a franchise around.

Freeman- No. Everyone I talk to says he reminds me of JaMarcus Russell... in case anyone has noticed that doesn't mean a good thing. JaMarcus Russell was a great passer in college but with the Raiders he's a joke, the Raiders were more of a pass efficient team under Kerry Collins than they are under JaMarcus, if the Raiders run game didn't have McFadden they wouldn't have beaten us like that... well if we didn't start Thigpen too but you get my drift. Josh Freeman is just physical, that's all people are drooling about, but that doesn't mean he's a good quarterback.

Bradford- I'd take him with a top Olineman like Oher, but the way people are talking is that its gonna be a heavy QB first round unlike last year with only Ryan and Flacco, so I don't think we can get both. He's the smartest quarterbacks with the best decision making but without the right system I don't think he can be that Peyton Manning. Also Alex Smith was the most intelligent quarterback and best decision maker and now he's sitting and second to some guy you've never really heard of and Aaron Rodgers, which is playing almost as well as Favre did with that Packers organization. Bradford could be a very good QB but if he goes to the Lions I dont think he'll get anywhere.

Stafford- Yes he can make mistakes, he can stare down a reciever every now and then but look at his throwing ability. Every QB in college can throw the ball 50 or 60 yards in a hail-mary type fashion, but Stafford ZINGS, ROCKETS, BULLETS that pass. Every single one of his passes has enough velocity on it to kill small children and cheerleaders who are foolish enough to get in its path. Here in KC we don't need a person who can hand off the ball with little passing ability, or else we'd have Huard. We don't need a QB with amazing physical traits, of that of a TE, but can't make good decisions. We don't need need a premadonna from USC who is in his first real year of starting as a QB and just happens to have a good record against half-ass teams in a USC system that made Matt Leinart look good. We need a gunslinger, we need a guy who will take a ****in chance, who we can say he might have thrown it into double coverage but he got it there before the coverage could close. We need a guy who will reenergize the franchise and put fans in the stands again. We need an Elway, we need a Palmer, we need a Manning, and we need a Cutler. He's the best prospect coming out of college for the next 3 years it seems. This is what we need, and if there is a great draft pick that we can get right now to lead our team with excitement,electricity, and the best arm we've seen in quite some time. My friends, we need Matt Stafford.

Bradford is a Sophomore so he is a non issue for next years draft. *edit* (he may be a redshirt Soph, if so he would be eligible) If eligible I like him. I would lean towards Stafford head to head but would be happy with either one of these guys in a KC uni.

Sanchez: I agree pretty much...he is average at best IMO.

Freeman: PUH leeze...no thanks. Never. Nope.

IF we pick QB early in next years draft Stafford is the ONLY guy worthy of being picked before round 3 if Bradford does not come out of college early.

P.S. Just because Stafford has a cannon for an arm doesn't mean much...Brody can rifle the ball too and it hasn't done him much good.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-28-2008, 09:37 AM
The Chiefs had 81 yards of offense through 3 quarters.

You aren't really reading any of my posts, are you? It's not the decathlon, and I never said it was.

milkman
09-28-2008, 09:43 AM
Bradford is a Sophomore so he is a non issue for next years draft.
Sanchez: I agree pretty much...he is average at best IMO.

Freeman: PUH leeze...no thanks. Never. Nope.

IF we pick QB early in next years draft Stafford is the ONLY guy worthy of being picked before round 3.

P.S. Just because Stafford has a cannon for an arm doesn't mean much...Brody can rifle the ball too and it hasn't done him much good.

Bradford reshirted for a season, so if he chooses to declare, he can.

Gravedigger
09-28-2008, 09:44 AM
Bradford is a Sophomore so he is a non issue for next years draft.
Sanchez: I agree pretty much...he is average at best IMO.

Freeman: PUH leeze...no thanks. Never. Nope.

IF we pick QB early in next years draft Stafford is the ONLY guy worthy of being picked before round 3.

P.S. Just because Stafford has a cannon for an arm doesn't mean much...Brody can rifle the ball too and it hasn't done him much good.

Yeah I agree, but Brodie is injury proned, just like he was in college. Matt Stafford, knock on wood, isn't. And Bradford is a third year sophomore, which means he can come out if he wants to, but if that system stays together and does well this year I dunno if he'll want to come out.

The Bad Guy
09-28-2008, 10:25 AM
Wrong. You end up with Vince Young by not listening to your coaches and not doing your homework. Nobody's saying Williams isn't a great player, but he isn't going to have the same impact that Cutler will likely have over the next decade.

I think you're wasting your time explaining logic to him.

He seems like the bastard child of KCJohnny and Frankie.

eazyb81
09-28-2008, 10:30 AM
Bradford reshirted for a season, so if he chooses to declare, he can.

Yeah, but when was the last time a QB came out after his sophomore season, redshirt or not?

milkman
09-28-2008, 10:33 AM
Yeah, but when was the last time a QB came out after his sophomore season, redshirt or not?

I'm just saying, it isn't completely out of the realm of possibility.

Actually, without any real background knowledge, if Bradford should win the Heisman, and OU wins the National Championship, I couldn't imagine what would be the reason to stay.