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Reerun_KC
09-29-2008, 10:24 AM
It seems that everyone is focused on Huard, Herm, winning/losing, or just crying about another poster because she or he tried to ruin his or her day, I thought I would bring something up that people arent posting about.


How about the play of our young CB's? Nice Huh? Carr just might turn into a stud along with Flowers... I would leave him in and let him get experience, Sure they both will get burnt from time to time, but I would rather see them get burnt that Surtain...

They did rather well in man, even though we played alot of zone, They also both hit pretty hard, and seem to be solid wrap up type tacklers.


Thoughts?

MIAdragon
09-29-2008, 10:26 AM
They were great!

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 10:26 AM
yep .... several of the young guys are learning and look to be solid pro players.

Flowers
Carr
Tyler
McBride
Albert
Cox
Savage
maybe even Niswanger

Reerun_KC
09-29-2008, 10:28 AM
You know, I really dont recall many mistakes by our young safties either...

CoMoChief
09-29-2008, 10:31 AM
yep .... several of the young guys are learning and look to be solid pro players.

Flowers
Carr
Tyler
McBride
Albert
Cox
Savage
maybe even Niswanger

Dorsey, Bowe can be added to that list.

Mr. Flopnuts
09-29-2008, 10:33 AM
I think you're spot on about letting them play. Surtain can collect his money for the rest of the year and find a new team next. We need to let those youngsters play as they both showed me yesterday they have the potential to be good for a very long time. I haven't seen that kind of passion in a KC defense in years. I have goosebumps just thinking about it.

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 10:36 AM
You know, I really dont recall many mistakes by our young safties either...

then you weren't paying attention


i think one of them got pulled for Jon McGraw again because they are screwing up so much.


that touchdown pass to Marshall happened (in part) because our safety wasn't deep enough.

chasedude
09-29-2008, 10:37 AM
Flowers and Carr, great job! Two rookie corners that held their own yesterday.

Fish
09-29-2008, 10:38 AM
Tank and Turk grew up a little bit in this game.

Flowers and Carr flashed some amazing potential. For Carr to take on Marshall all day, I thought he did very well. And Carr actually had position on the TD that Marshall jumped up to grab, he just timed his jump wrong. Cutler put it in the perfect spot, and Carr jumped too soon. The safety should have provided better help on that too...

Page and Pollard were layin some lumber yesterday. Those 2 might actually turn into good safeties.

MIAdragon
09-29-2008, 10:38 AM
You know, I really dont recall many mistakes by our young safties either...

Page still looks lost.

Basileus777
09-29-2008, 10:39 AM
Page has been struggling this season, both in coverage and run support.

MIAdragon
09-29-2008, 10:40 AM
Free Morgan!

Chief Henry
09-29-2008, 10:46 AM
It seems that everyone is focused on Huard, Herm, winning/losing, or just crying about another poster because she or he tried to ruin his or her day, I thought I would bring something up that people arent posting about.


How about the play of our young CB's? Nice Huh? Carr just might turn into a stud along with Flowers... I would leave him in and let him get experience, Sure they both will get burnt from time to time, but I would rather see them get burnt that Surtain...

They did rather well in man, even though we played alot of zone, They also both hit pretty hard, and seem to be solid wrap up type tacklers.


Thoughts?



Your abso****inglutely correct. They were outstanding. Lets see them do it again and again and again.

ChiefsCountry
09-29-2008, 10:52 AM
Flowers and Carr have been playing well all season. They took it up a notch yesterday.

evolve27
09-29-2008, 10:53 AM
They are making Herm look good simply because he probably coaches them up and that's his position, and they did look good.

DJ's left nut
09-29-2008, 11:23 AM
To be fair, the TD to Marshall happened because Cutler made a perfect throw. Carr actually appeared to have good position on the ball, Cutler just lofted it over him. Shit happens.

However, Page is still not very good. Pollard can be, I think we'll really see it when Morgan comes in.

el borracho
09-29-2008, 11:26 AM
Both Flowers and Carr have been great. Pollard has looked better this year. Page completely blew the tackle on the play where DJ stripped the ball.

suds79
09-29-2008, 11:27 AM
To be fair, the TD to Marshall happened because Cutler made a perfect throw. Carr actually appeared to have good position on the ball, Cutler just lofted it over him. Shit happens.

:bravo: I've seen a couple of times now people saying things like "Carr played nice and other than that Marshall TD..." ????

He had blanket coverage on that play. In fact I saw a lot of plays were our guys were in really good coverage it's just that Cutler put the ball in the perfect spot.

With that tight of coverage you're going to get some picks and the Chiefs did. I thought the young CBs played outstanding.

el borracho
09-29-2008, 11:29 AM
To be fair, the TD to Marshall happened because Cutler made a perfect throw. Carr actually appeared to have good position on the ball, Cutler just lofted it over him. Shit happens.

I think Carr could have gone one step deeper and maybe knocked the ball out but, then again, maybe not. That was a great play by Cutler and Marshall.

Coach
09-29-2008, 11:34 AM
They all did well. Now the key is "consistency" meaning they need to keep doing this day in and out, instead of just one game.

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 11:47 AM
To be fair, the TD to Marshall happened because Cutler made a perfect throw. Carr actually appeared to have good position on the ball, Cutler just lofted it over him. Shit happens.

However, Page is still not very good. Pollard can be, I think we'll really see it when Morgan comes in.
if our safety was as deep as the deepest then Cutler wouldn't of had the angle to make that perfect throw.

Buehler445
09-29-2008, 12:00 PM
Carr and Flowers did freaking fanatastical. Freaking amazing. Especially considering Cromartie got freaking lit up against this very team. I'm not going to bust Carr for the TD. Especially since it is concerning what Surtain would have done in there. I'm fine with Surtain in nickel instead of Patterson, but he should not be starting. Even if these guys' performance falls off a bit in games that aren't Denver @ Arrowhead.

As far as Pollard and Page, I think they are doing OK. Both seem to be in better position and are making some tackles. They make mistakes, but every safety does, especially young ones. I would say that Pollard is outplaying Page right now, but Page has made more plays in the past. Both are certainly better than seeing McGraw out there. But if Morgan is showing something and gets out there, I won't be too concerned about it.

alpha_omega
09-29-2008, 12:12 PM
Yep...now let's see it again next week!

Reerun_KC
09-29-2008, 12:14 PM
then you weren't paying attention


i think one of them got pulled for Jon McGraw again because they are screwing up so much.


that touchdown pass to Marshall happened (in part) because our safety wasn't deep enough.
apparently not, I do remember McGraw giving up big plays to their TE down the field.. But that is nothing unusual, he is aways getting owned...

Why pull them in favor of McGraw? That is laughable at best...

Micjones
09-29-2008, 12:31 PM
Flowers and Carr played very well yesterday.
Carr made 1 mistake on the TD to Marshall, but overall they played better than anyone could've expected.

Very impressed with those two.

CoMoChief
09-29-2008, 12:33 PM
If Cleveland wouldnt have ****ed us over in the draft in the 2nd rd in 07......we also would have drafted Eric Wright.....who's going to be a ****in stud in this league.

Rausch
09-29-2008, 12:33 PM
Both played excellent considering they're rookies. I hope Surtain takes his time coming back and lets the youth play a bit more...

Reerun_KC
09-29-2008, 12:35 PM
Flowers and Carr played very well yesterday.
Carr made 1 mistake on the TD to Marshall, but overall they played better than anyone could've expected.

Very impressed with those two.
QFT

it happens to rookies, but how many times have we seen the likes of Warfield, McCleon, Bartee, just get smoked after smoked and never learn?

Micjones
09-29-2008, 12:36 PM
Both played excellent considering they're rookies. I hope Surtain takes his time coming back and lets the youth play a bit more...

If Carr continues to play well the coaching staff should make a conscious decision to let him hang on to the job. Even once Surtain is healthy.

Micjones
09-29-2008, 12:38 PM
QFT

it happens to rookies, but how many times have we seen the likes of Warfield, McCleon, Bartee, just get smoked after smoked and never learn?

I'd like to forget those days.
Eric Warfield was okay.
I think he fell victim to expectations like Samie Parker did. That fat contract didn't help.

We looked at him to be something he never really was.

In truth, he was a serviceable Corner.

RustShack
09-29-2008, 12:40 PM
I'm pretty impressed... they were going up against one of the best offenses in the NFL this year..

Micjones
09-29-2008, 12:43 PM
Brandon Marshall's a stud. Very impressed with how they kept him from going off.

CoMoChief
09-29-2008, 12:43 PM
If Carr continues to play well the coaching staff should make a conscious decision to let him hang on to the job. Even once Surtain is healthy.

Agreed 100% Surtain plays better as the NCB anyways.

Reerun_KC
09-29-2008, 12:44 PM
Brandon Marshall's a stud. Very impressed with how they kept him from going off.
Wouldnt he look good next to Bowe?

Wouldnt of Bowe really look good in DV's offense with the cast we used to have?

Reerun_KC
09-29-2008, 12:44 PM
Agreed 100% Surtain plays better as the NCB anyways.
You have too...

Carr is developing right before our eyes, it would be insane to remove him now....

Micjones
09-29-2008, 12:45 PM
Wouldnt he look good next to Bowe?

That'd be an unreal tandem.

You know what I kept thinking yesterday though?
Eddie Royal opposite of Bowe.

crazycoffey
09-29-2008, 12:47 PM
if our safety was as deep as the deepest then Cutler wouldn't of had the angle to make that perfect throw.


The angle? it was as high as it possibly could be and thrown on a rope, looked like it was thrown away, Brandon jumped up and caught it, two inches higher and he wouldn't have been able to catch it. Flowers was right in front of him and looked like he miss timed his jump by a fraction of a second, and still almost tipped the ball.

Micjones
09-29-2008, 12:49 PM
The angle? it was as high as it possibly could be and thrown on a rope, looked like it was thrown away, Brandon jumped up and caught it, two inches higher and he wouldn't have been able to catch it. Flowers was right in front of him and looked like he miss timed his jump by a fraction of a second, and still almost tipped the ball.

Hats off to Cutler there. That was a perfectly thrown ball.

sedated
09-29-2008, 12:51 PM
They did a great job despite the front line not getting very much pressure, which makes their performance that much more exciting.

Fish
09-29-2008, 01:09 PM
The angle? it was as high as it possibly could be and thrown on a rope, looked like it was thrown away, Brandon jumped up and caught it, two inches higher and he wouldn't have been able to catch it. Flowers was right in front of him and looked like he miss timed his jump by a fraction of a second, and still almost tipped the ball.

Actually that was Carr. He was on Marshall all day due to him being slightly taller than Flowers....

Chiefnj2
09-29-2008, 03:17 PM
I have the game taped. I haven't seen it yet. I was just wondering, I see that Cutler threw for 350+ yards, yet people are saying the corners played well. Where did all the yardage come from?

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 03:18 PM
For us to hold Marshall to 77 yards while a 5th rounder was on him most of the game...kind of a big deal.

Buehler445
09-29-2008, 03:26 PM
I have the game taped. I haven't seen it yet. I was just wondering, I see that Cutler threw for 350+ yards, yet people are saying the corners played well. Where did all the yardage come from?

Look at the number of rushing attempts they had. They hardly ever ran the ball and a lot of the running backs touches were screens, which typically don't affect corners. Most of Cutlers completions were when he had 5 seconds back there, and while the corner looks bad, that is mostly on the pass rush.

Our corners were exciting. They were physical (God forbid they hit somebody), most times they played the ball, knocked down passes, and tackled well. IIRC Marshall only broke 1 tackle and didn't get far. For as much as dungver threw the ball, our corners played well. Throw in that they are rooks, it was goddamn exciting!

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CupidStunt
09-29-2008, 03:30 PM
I have the game taped. I haven't seen it yet. I was just wondering, I see that Cutler threw for 350+ yards, yet people are saying the corners played well. Where did all the yardage come from?

The leading passers of the week always come from losing QBs.

Top five passers in week four: Warner, Brees, Cutler, Schaub, Romo. Only one of those got a win, and that team is the most pass-happy in the NFL.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 04:04 PM
The angle? it was as high as it possibly could be and thrown on a rope, looked like it was thrown away, Brandon jumped up and caught it, two inches higher and he wouldn't have been able to catch it. Flowers was right in front of him and looked like he miss timed his jump by a fraction of a second, and still almost tipped the ball.

Page was in zone, and should have been deeper.

Carr was in man, and had outside position, as he should in the RZ, against a much taller reciever, protecting against fades and corner routes.

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 04:05 PM
Page was in zone, and should have been deeper.

No, he was in perfect position because there was an underneath man running a route. That guy was wide open for six if Page had been deeper.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 04:09 PM
No, he was in perfect position because there was an underneath man running a route. That guy was wide open for six if Page had been deeper.

I thought that would be the LBs zone, but I couldn't see from a good enough angle to know for sure.

Who had deep middle or half?

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 04:18 PM
I thought that would be the LBs zone, but I couldn't see from a good enough angle to know for sure.

Who had deep middle or half?

The linebackers blitzed up field at the snap.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 04:19 PM
The linebackers blitzed up field at the snap.

OIC

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 04:30 PM
No, he was in perfect position because there was an underneath man running a route. That guy was wide open for six if Page had been deeper.

bullshite ...... a safety in cover 2 must be as deep as the deepest.

he wasn't


he 5-8 too shallow and that cause him to have to close on the pass at a angle. If he was deeper he would of been able to come straight across and he could of broken up that pass.

just shut up or better yet die.

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 04:31 PM
The linebackers blitzed up field at the snap.
doesn't fuggin matter ...... the safety must be deep as the deepest

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 04:33 PM
bullshite ...... a safety in cover 2 must be as deep as the deepest.


It wasn't Cover 2.

If Page hadn't been in position Royal was WIDE OPEN for a TD.

So either you get a WIDE OPEN TD to Royal or you get a RIDICULOUS play by a covered Marshall for 6.

Take your pick.

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 04:36 PM
It wasn't Cover 2.

If Page hadn't been in position Royal was WIDE OPEN for a TD.

So either you get a WIDE OPEN TD to Royal or you get a RIDICULOUS play by a covered Marshall for 6.

Take your pick.
so page didn't do either ...... he was deeper than Royal and too shallow for Marshall

brilliant

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 04:37 PM
so page didn't do either ...... he was deeper than Royal and too shallow for Marshall

brilliant

No, Royal was covered.

Would you knock it off?

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 04:39 PM
No, Royal was covered.

Would you knock it off?
would you die?

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 04:41 PM
You're a prick, dude.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 04:41 PM
doesn't fuggin matter ...... the safety must be deep as the deepest

Not always the case when you blitz while backed against your own EZ. I could not see enough of the field to tell, but from what I saw, it looked like page had deep half, and should have been helping Carr on the inside.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 04:42 PM
You're a prick, dude.

Can't you gif it? That would help your point......errr maybe not:hmmm:

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 04:44 PM
Yeah, I should go out of my way to prove I'm right on a meaningless point. I'll get right on that.

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 05:27 PM
You're a prick, dude.
wha??

you mean the troll ... the guy who purposefully takes the opposite position of the entire board, just because he likes to irritate people and get attention, is upset with moi??

Herm Warfare
Hermiones
ya Huard
boo Huard
ya LJ (because alot people don't like him)
boo every board favorite because ...


oh my .... whatever will i do :huh:

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 05:29 PM
You've been nothing but a complete douche in this thread, Laz. You literally came in, told me I was wrong, and told me to die.

Asshole.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 05:30 PM
Yeah, I should go out of my way to prove I'm right on a meaningless point. I'll get right on that.
Chill bro it was just a thought that would help your credibility. Lord knows you've done enough to destroy it.

I mean hell I believe you.

RustShack
09-29-2008, 05:37 PM
bullshite ...... a safety in cover 2 must be as deep as the deepest.

he wasn't


he 5-8 too shallow and that cause him to have to close on the pass at a angle. If he was deeper he would of been able to come straight across and he could of broken up that pass.

just shut up or better yet die.

We don't run a pure cover two every play you douche. If Page is where you wanted him then someone else would have been open since we were blitzing and the LB's weren't all back in coverage like they should be in the cover two.

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 05:38 PM
You've been nothing but a complete douche in this thread, Laz. You literally came in, told me I was wrong, and told me to die.

Asshole.
omg ..... goatboy playing the victim ROFL


how many times have you told people to "just die"?


everytime they suggest trading LJ?


omg .. you're so full of shite

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 05:45 PM
well for everyone that hates LJ...he is 7 yards behind the NFL lead in rushing yards...

Douche Baggins
09-29-2008, 05:47 PM
well for everyone that hates LJ...he is 7 yards behind the NFL lead in rushing yards...

Washed up bum.

Tuckdaddy
09-29-2008, 05:58 PM
I have the game taped. I haven't seen it yet. I was just wondering, I see that Cutler threw for 350+ yards, yet people are saying the corners played well. Where did all the yardage come from?

That came from our DE's being non existant in the pass rush department.. Our were fantastic considerin the time Cutler had.

tmax63
09-29-2008, 06:49 PM
People can bitch and moan about small stuff but the D as a unit held an excellent offensive football team to 1 TD and 4 FG's. Overall, I see this as a step in the right direction. It's hard to find a better trio of receivers than Marshall, Royal, and Stokely or a quartet if you throw in Shefler the TE on 1 team. For the Chiefs to hold the Donko's to 75 yds rushing and force them to throw the ball and only have 1 TD pass vs 2 INT's is amazing. Package in that 8 of 11 starters have 3 yrs or less experience multiplies it. If any 1 of us had posted before the game that it would happen like that he would have been verbally drawn and quartered for being a homer.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:52 PM
People can bitch and moan about small stuff but the D as a unit held an excellent offensive football team to 1 TD and 4 FG's. Overall, I see this as a step in the right direction. It's hard to find a better trio of receivers than Marshall, Royal, and Stokely or a quartet if you throw in Shefler the TE on 1 team. For the Chiefs to hold the Donko's to 75 yds rushing and force them to throw the ball and only have 1 TD pass vs 2 INT's is amazing. If any 1 of us had posted before the game that it would happen like that he would have been verbally drawn and quartered for being a homer.

QFT

FAX
09-29-2008, 07:24 PM
Considering the fact that we struggled at times getting pressure on Cutler, they did a very good job. I don't know how much of that was scheme, but if we were okay (scheme-wise) with allowing the billions of 10 yard completions, they did a great job.

It's heartening to think that we might have CB sewn up for many years with a couple of quality guys. That's a huge step forward. If it works out that way, you have to give Herm credit.

FAX

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 07:43 PM
Considering the fact that we struggled at times getting pressure on Cutler, they did a very good job. I don't know how much of that was scheme, but if we were okay (scheme-wise) with allowing the billions of 10 yard completions, they did a great job.

It's heartening to think that we might have CB sewn up for many years with a couple of quality guys. That's a huge step forward. If it works out that way, you have to give Herm credit.

FAX

I guess you could say someone should get some credit for the Carr pick, as I see him turning into a solid corner, but the Flowers pick was a no brainer IMO BPA.

FAX
09-29-2008, 07:46 PM
I guess you could say someone should get some credit for the Carr pick, as I see him turning into a solid corner, but the Flowers pick was a no brainer IMO BPA.

Well, there was the "pick" part, Mr. beach tribe. There's also the "preparation" part and the "playing the guy" part. If these two guys turn out to be solid CBs in this league, I don't see how you can avoid giving Herm some credit for it.

FAX

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 08:13 PM
Well, there was the "pick" part, Mr. beach tribe. There's also the "preparation" part and the "playing the guy" part. If these two guys turn out to be solid CBs in this league, I don't see how you can avoid giving Herm some credit for it.

FAX

Agreed.