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BigVE
09-29-2008, 04:35 PM
I'm in no way trying to insinuate that Dorsey may be a bust but he has sure been a disappointment so far. What is the problem? Was he just over-hyped? I do think that eventually he will come around be alright but he seems to just disappear for long stretches. Maybe the expectations for him were a bit much. What you think?

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 04:35 PM
He's doing well against the run. He just doesn't have his pass rush down yet.

MOhillbilly
09-29-2008, 04:36 PM
hes young

MIAdragon
09-29-2008, 04:36 PM
I think we need to give him some time to adjust.

Redrum_69
09-29-2008, 04:38 PM
um, rookie year

missed training camp

has claythan on his jockstrap since draft day

Sure-Oz
09-29-2008, 04:38 PM
How's Sedrick Ellis doing?

I think Dorsey will be just fine, he has been solid vs the run, DT's do take some time to adjust to the NFL

Dicky McElephant
09-29-2008, 04:38 PM
I'm assuming that they've been double teaming him a lot.

BigVE
09-29-2008, 04:39 PM
Do we expect the adjustment phase to come to fruition THIS year or not?

L.A. Chieffan
09-29-2008, 04:40 PM
Cut em now. We waited too long on Sims

kstater
09-29-2008, 04:40 PM
I'm assuming that they've been double teaming him a lot.

What? You haven't heard? All rookie Dlineman pull double teams. Dorsey should be good enough to get around that in his 4th game.

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 04:42 PM
Selvin Young...meet Glenn Dorsey. Also, Ryan Clady, get the **** off Dorsey.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ed1qih.gif

MIAdragon
09-29-2008, 04:43 PM
Selvin Young...meet Glenn Dorsey. Also, Ryan Clady, get the **** off Dorsey.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ed1qih.gif

Nice, can you throw a few more of these together?

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 04:43 PM
I'm going through the game now. If I see anything I will.

On the second play (fumble), Dorsey shoved Wiegmann 5 yards back deep into the pocket.

Fish
09-29-2008, 04:44 PM
Good DT play doesn't always equate to stats. He could be doing his job very very well and some people probably would never notice he was even on the field.

If you really want to know, rewatch the game and only focus on the line of scrimmage. Specifically his side of the line. Pay attention to how many times the opponents double team him. When that happens, it usually takes him out of the play, but provides somebody else a shot at the QB or RB, or at the least weakens the other side of the line for Tank. When he's double teamed, somebody else is unblocked.

He's been improving little by little each game. The fact that he's been doubled so much already is a good sign. Teams are worrying about him, and changing their blocking to take him into consideration. That's a good thing.

CoMoChief
09-29-2008, 04:44 PM
Dorsey has made some plays in the backfield.

Every DT in the NFL gets pushed around and gets beat every now and then.

Fish
09-29-2008, 04:47 PM
Also pay close attention to how many times the RB is getting snagged at the LOS by a down lineman. We're improving that with each snap. And that's what has killed us in the running game.

Dicky McElephant
09-29-2008, 04:47 PM
Selvin Young...meet Glenn Dorsey. Also, Ryan Clady, get the **** off Dorsey.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ed1qih.gif

Man our DEs suck. lol

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 04:48 PM
Albert haynesworth didn't jack his rookie year either. DTs usually don't do much until about halfway through their 2nd year.

MIAdragon
09-29-2008, 04:49 PM
I'm going through the game now. If I see anything I will.

On the second play (fumble), Dorsey shoved Wiegmann 5 yards back deep into the pocket.

Hey on the sack, yea the only one, I thought Dorsey was the one who pulled Cut down, can you see if thats what happened?

BigVE
09-29-2008, 04:49 PM
Like I said, I'm not down on the guy I guess maybe I personally had unrealistic expectations for him. Sure, its early and I understand that but I guess I was kinda hoping that we would get a little more backfield penetration, like a young Warren Sapp. Double teams will negate a lot for sure. I have seen the improvement but I have also seen him and out other D-linemen being gassed by the 3rd quarter.

L.A. Chieffan
09-29-2008, 04:50 PM
Hey on the sack, yea the only one, I thought Dorsey was the one who pulled Cut down, can you see if thats what happened?

You mean Johnston and Johnson? The FBI guys?

ferrarispider95
09-29-2008, 04:51 PM
Also late in the game when Cutler was doing the no huddle, Dorsey is the only one that didn't rotate out when they had a break.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 04:51 PM
Like I said, I'm not down on the guy I guess maybe I personally had unrealistic expectations for him. Sure, its early and I understand that but I guess I was kinda hoping that we would get a little more backfield penetration, like a young Warren Sapp. Double teams will negate a lot for sure. I have seen the improvement but I have also seen him and out other D-linemen being gassed by the 3rd quarter.

Warren Sapp had 17 total tackles, and three sacks his rookie season.

MIAdragon
09-29-2008, 04:53 PM
Like I said, I'm not down on the guy I guess maybe I personally had unrealistic expectations for him. Sure, its early and I understand that but I guess I was kinda hoping that we would get a little more backfield penetration, like a young Warren Sapp. Double teams will negate a lot for sure. I have seen the improvement but I have also seen him and out other D-linemen being gassed by the 3rd quarter.

A little late.

BigVE
09-29-2008, 04:54 PM
Warren Sapp had 17 total tackles, and three sacks his rookie season.


That's nice. I said a "young Warren Sapp", not Sapp as a rookie. I mean the Sapp from Tampa Bay who was a game changer for so many years, nobody could stop him when he was in his prime. THAT is what I hope for with Dorsey. Some day soon.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 04:56 PM
That's nice. I said a "young Warren Sapp", not Sapp as a rookie. I mean the Sapp from Tampa Bay who was a game changer for so many years, nobody could stop him when he was in his prime. THAT is what I hope for with Dorsey. Some day soon.

Well to compare him to sapp, you would have to compare him at the same point in their careers. I'd say he's about on par.

MIAdragon
09-29-2008, 04:58 PM
Well to compare him to sapp, you would have to compare him at the same point in their careers. I'd say he's about on par.

Agree 100%

HemiEd
09-29-2008, 05:03 PM
Also pay close attention to how many times the RB is getting snagged at the LOS by a down lineman. We're improving that with each snap. And that's what has killed us in the running game.

I totally agree with this, a big improvment in that area.

Bwana
09-29-2008, 05:11 PM
I was keeping an eye on him for most of the contest and he is doing fine for this early in the game.

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 05:15 PM
Dorsey sucks up double team, DJ kills RB.

http://i34.tinypic.com/zknw9s.gif

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 05:21 PM
Dorsey sucks up double team, DJ kills RB.

http://i34.tinypic.com/zknw9s.gif

Awesome. Didn't get pushed back either.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 05:21 PM
Actually penetrated between them.

TRR
09-29-2008, 05:22 PM
Dorsey has played very well when I've watched him. Defensive Tackle is not a sexy position. I think a lot of people try and judge the guy on sacks, but the best DT's eat up double teams, stuff runs, and draw penalties for offensive holding. I've seen a combination of all three out of Dorsey already.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 05:25 PM
the worth of a DT isn't always in the total number of sacks...in most cases, DT's don't get very many sacks at all.

Fruit Ninja
09-29-2008, 05:25 PM
Our DT's are playign well, Both Tank and Dorsey are, our Ends are a big problem right now.

Sure-Oz
09-29-2008, 05:26 PM
Think Dorsey can become a Sapp or Haynesworth type of player?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-29-2008, 05:28 PM
You mean Johnston and Johnson? The FBI guys?

It's like ****in' Saigon, eh, Slick?

I was in junior high, dickhead.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 05:30 PM
Think Dorsey can become a Sapp or Haynesworth type of player?

From what I've understood the Chiefs are using him as more of a run stuffer, double team eater than a pass rushing, gap shooter! This sounds like a cheap porno...

Donger
09-29-2008, 05:33 PM
What's his health status?

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 05:34 PM
From what I've understood the Chiefs are using him as more of a run stuffer, double team eater than a pass rushing, gap shooter! This sounds like a cheap porno...

Actually Herm has said that Dorsey will be a penetrater, in the Sapp mold ala TB, which makes the most sense.Tank will be the space eater, and dorsey will be the under tackle, but Dorsey has been getting DTed, which makes it look like he's eating space.

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 05:34 PM
From what I've understood the Chiefs are using him as more of a run stuffer, double team eater than a pass rushing, gap shooter! This sounds like a cheap porno...

No, they want him to shoot gaps...he's struggling in his pass rush right now for sure.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 05:35 PM
Think Dorsey can become a Sapp or Haynesworth type of player?

Sapp, and Haynesworth are two very different types of Tackles, but yes, he could very well be as good as them, but more comparable to Sapp.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 05:39 PM
Meh. I guess I misunderstood. We need to get a pass rushing DE and then I think it will do wonders for Dorsey.

I am pretty encouraged by the 2nd year progression of Turk and Tank, though.

StcChief
09-29-2008, 05:44 PM
Whole lotta improvement on DL allow LBs to make plays. Hope it's not Donxs and we are starting to Gell.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 05:45 PM
Meh. I guess I misunderstood. We need to get a pass rushing DE and then I think it will do wonders for Dorsey.

I am pretty encouraged by the 2nd year progression of Turk and Tank, though.

Me too. One pleasant surprise. I questioned Turk's intensity because of his off the field demeanor, but he's fiery on the field.

Bowser
09-29-2008, 05:45 PM
It's like ****in' Saigon, eh, Slick?

I was in junior high, dickhead.


You forgot the "Woooo-HOOOOOO!!" part.

Donger
09-29-2008, 05:49 PM
You forgot the "Woooo-HOOOOOO!!" part.

Wasn't it more of a "Yeeeeaaaahhhhhaaa!"?

Bowser
09-29-2008, 05:50 PM
Wasn't it more of a "Yeeeeaaaahhhhhaaa!"?

I stand corrected.

Reerun_KC
09-29-2008, 05:50 PM
um, rookie year

missed training camp

has claythan on his jockstrap since draft day


HEHE! Claythan... Swinging in the strap.... http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/nutswinger.gif

Bowser
09-29-2008, 05:50 PM
I stand corrected.

It was worth it just to see you type Yeeeeeaaaahhhhhaaaaaa. :D

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 05:51 PM
um, rookie year

missed training camp

has claythan on his jockstrap since draft day

Dorsey missed TWO DAYS of training camp.

Donger
09-29-2008, 05:52 PM
It was worth it just to see you type Yeeeeeaaaahhhhhaaaaaa. :D

LMAO

That's the noise I make when crude goes up, BTW.

So, what's Dorsey's status? I saw/heard him cry out when they were carting him off. Dislocated elbow?

Dicky McElephant
09-29-2008, 05:53 PM
LMAO

That's the noise I make when crude goes up, BTW.

So, what's Dorsey's status? I saw/heard him cry out when they were carting him off. Dislocated elbow?

I'm pretty sure that was Albert.

L.A. Chieffan
09-29-2008, 05:53 PM
It's like ****in' Saigon, eh, Slick?

I was in junior high, dickhead.

HAAAAMAS. BOOBY.

I'm your white knight.

Bowser
09-29-2008, 05:56 PM
LMAO

That's the noise I make when crude goes up, BTW.

So, what's Dorsey's status? I saw/heard him cry out when they were carting him off. Dislocated elbow?

You're thinking Albert. Don't know how long he'll be out, but I'd guess a minimum of two weeks.

Donger
09-29-2008, 05:57 PM
I'm pretty sure that was Albert.

I'm a retart. Thanks.

Donger
09-29-2008, 05:58 PM
HAAAAMAS. BOOBY.

I'm your white knight.

Did anyone else cringe when Hans used his "American" accent?

Bowser
09-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Did anyone else cringe when Hans used his "American" accent?

CLAY. Bill...Clay. *big smile*

Donger
09-29-2008, 06:01 PM
CLAY. Bill...Clay. *big smile*

"You're one a them, aren't ya?! You're one a them! Please, please! Please don't kill me!"

English people shouldn't be allowed to impersonate Americans. Ever.

B_Ambuehl
09-29-2008, 06:02 PM
Right now the biggest contribution Dorsey has made to this football team has come about in the much improved play of Tank Tyler. Right now Tank is what many expected Dorsey to be - he's the one causing havoc and drawing the consistent double teams. If Dorsey can catch up those 2 are going to be more than a handful.

L.A. Chieffan
09-29-2008, 06:03 PM
(After every Brodie sack)

OH MY GOD THE QUARTERBACK IS TOAST!!!!!!

Donger
09-29-2008, 06:03 PM
(After every Brodie sack)

OH MY GOD THE QUARTERBACK IS TOAST!!!!!!

LMAO

Bowser
09-29-2008, 06:04 PM
(After every Brodie sack)

OH MY GOD, THE QUARTERBACK IS TOAST!!!!!!

LMAO

"You have given out too much reputation in the past 24 hours, try again later"

Pablo
09-29-2008, 06:04 PM
Per nfl.com, Dorsey already has 13 tackles, 9 of those solo, and 4 were assists.

I've seen him get pushed around a bit, but I've also watched him take on double teams with little effort, and get decent penetration. Our young line has a lot of room for improvement, but he'll probably get a couple of sacks this year, and amass a hell of lot more tackles than Sapp did in his rookie year, going by the stats posted earlier in this thread.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 06:14 PM
Per nfl.com, Dorsey already has 13 tackles, 9 of those solo, and 4 were assists.

I've seen him get pushed around a bit, but I've also watched him take on double teams with little effort, and get decent penetration. Our young line has a lot of room for improvement, but he'll probably get a couple of sacks this year, and amass a hell of lot more tackles than Sapp did in his rookie year, going by the stats posted earlier in this thread.

:rockon:

L.A. Chieffan
09-29-2008, 06:16 PM
McFadden still has more rushing yards...

Priest31kc
09-29-2008, 06:18 PM
hey clayton you should post those little videos on Coalition, one of my friends is concerned about Dorsey, and Im sure those videos will show him all about Dorsey.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 06:24 PM
hey clayton you should post those little videos on Coalition, one of my friends is concerned about Dorsey, and Im sure those videos will show him all about Dorsey.

Maybe he should come to the planet.

The Bad Guy
09-29-2008, 06:44 PM
From what I've understood the Chiefs are using him as more of a run stuffer, double team eater than a pass rushing, gap shooter! This sounds like a cheap porno...

Which is completely contradictory to how they said they were going to use him after the draft.

They said they were going to turn him loose.

Tyler should be the one eating up double teams.

Delano
09-29-2008, 06:46 PM
Which is completely contradictory to how they said they were going to use him after the draft.

They said they were going to turn him loose.

Tyler should be the one eating up double teams.

Maybe they (Tyler and Dorsey) both need to command double teams so our worthless ends can do something worthwhile.

Tuckdaddy
09-29-2008, 06:52 PM
Dorsey sucks up double team, DJ kills RB.

http://i34.tinypic.com/zknw9s.gif

The man is doing his job!

RustShack
09-29-2008, 06:55 PM
Maybe they want Tank to be double teamed but other teams are doing it do Dorsey instead since hes more of a threat?

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 06:56 PM
hopefully he just has Rookie-itis

Priest31kc
09-29-2008, 06:57 PM
Maybe he should come to the planet.

lol good point

SBK
09-29-2008, 06:59 PM
The way it looks now, next year, the year after maybe we're going to have 2 DOMINANT DT's. Hopefully we can get a DE or 2 that become that way as well.

ILChief
09-29-2008, 07:32 PM
d-tackles typically don't put up huge stats. their primary job is to occupy blockers for linebackes to make plays.

milkman
09-29-2008, 08:09 PM
The way it looks now, next year, the year after maybe we're going to have 2 DOMINANT DT's. Hopefully we can get a DE or 2 that become that way as well.

You know, Turk, unless I'm mistaken, played some DE in college.

But realistically, he's learning LDE on the job in the NFL this year.

In watching him, I think he has some real potential to become a hell of a player there, and combined with Tank and GD, we just might have 3/4 of a dominating D-line.

Add a badass on the right side, with Tamba and Brian Johnston as depth, and we could really be onto something.

milkman
09-29-2008, 08:10 PM
You know, Turk, unless I'm mistaken, played some DE in college.

But realistically, he's learning LDE on the job in the NFL this year.

In watching him, I think he has some real potential to become a hell of a player there, and combined with Tank and GD, we just might have 3/4 of a dominating D-line.

Add a badass on the right side, with Tamba and Brian Johnston as depth, and we could really be onto something.

That being said, I still don't understand why GD is playing the nose, and Tank is playing under.

They should be switched.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 08:12 PM
damn milkman you frickin qouted YOURSELFLMAO classic

Mecca
09-29-2008, 08:13 PM
That being said, I still don't understand why GD is playing the nose, and Tank is playing under.

They should be switched.

Because we have an incompetent Dline coach...

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 08:15 PM
Because we have an incompetent Dline coach...

what makes you feel that way?

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 08:16 PM
Dorsey is playing the same position he played in college.

Mecca
09-29-2008, 08:26 PM
what makes you feel that way?

The only thing he does that makes people think he's a good coach is yell, the only guys he's coached that achieved anything were guys who were already good in Schobel and Allen, after that it's guys like Ron Edwards...

SBK
09-29-2008, 08:26 PM
You know, Turk, unless I'm mistaken, played some DE in college.

But realistically, he's learning LDE on the job in the NFL this year.

In watching him, I think he has some real potential to become a hell of a player there, and combined with Tank and GD, we just might have 3/4 of a dominating D-line.

Add a badass on the right side, with Tamba and Brian Johnston as depth, and we could really be onto something.

I agree. Turk may end up being pretty good.

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 08:27 PM
The only thing he does that makes people think he's a good coach is yell

I really wish you'd stop spouting this ignorant bullshit every chance you get.

milkman
09-29-2008, 08:28 PM
Dorsey is playing the same position he played in college.

Yes he is, and when the Chiefs drafted him, I seem to recall that Herman ****ing Edwards addressed this.

I don't know/remember if he actually siad he was going to be moved to undertackle, if if the things he said only led to that assumption on my part.

I do know, if he wants GD to be the guy to get consistent penetration, then the spot that is position that he would be most effective is the undertackle.

Mecca
09-29-2008, 08:28 PM
I really wish you'd stop spouting this ignorant bullshit every chance you get.

Buffalo fans think the same thing......it's what he is, he likes guys who lack talent and then doesn't coach them very well.

milkman
09-29-2008, 08:29 PM
I really wish you'd stop spouting this ignorant bullshit every chance you get.

The problem here is, mecca is absolutely right.

Cunther is ****ing useless.

milkman
09-29-2008, 08:33 PM
Also Claythan, I know you frequent the Coalition, so you must have seen the post that fomerDB wrote in which he discussed his friendship with a Steeler asst. who told him that many coaches around the league have a low opinion of Cunther.

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 08:36 PM
I wasn't talking about Gunther. I was talking about Krumrie.

Gunther is pretty overrated, I agree.

Mecca
09-29-2008, 08:37 PM
I think they both suck.

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 08:38 PM
I think they both suck.

Well, they're part of the Kansas City Chiefs, so that's obvious.

milkman
09-29-2008, 08:39 PM
I wasn't talking about Gunther. I was talking about Krumrie.

Gunther is pretty overrated, I agree.

Sorry, I glossed over mecca's post.
I assumed he was talking about Cunther.

But I do agree with him about Krumrie.
He comes from the same mold as Cunther.


We need a teacher, not a loud mouth.

The Bad Guy
09-29-2008, 08:39 PM
Dorsey is playing the same position he played in college.

And that's a mistake.

He was put there in college to free up everyone else.

The guy is a disruptive force, who should be cut loose.

Again, the Chiefs said they were going to turn him loose. They haven't done that.

Deberg_1990
09-29-2008, 08:41 PM
Well, they're part of the Kansas City Chiefs, so that's obvious.

I like how you assume everyone who plays or coaches for the KC Chiefs is a stud by default.

When was the last time we won a Super Bowl again????

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 08:42 PM
I like how you assume everyone who plays or coaches for the KC Chiefs is a stud by default.

When was the last time we won a Super Bowl again????

I really don't...did you miss all my posts ripping Thigpen?

Mecca
09-29-2008, 08:42 PM
I like how you assume everyone who plays or coaches for the KC Chiefs is a stud by default.

When was the last time we won a Super Bowl again????

It's just like the people who think I hate everything about the Chiefs because I don't like the coaching staff or some of the players.

Tiger's Fan
09-29-2008, 08:45 PM
It's just like the people who think I hate everything about the Chiefs because I don't like the coaching staff or any of the players.

FYP

Deberg_1990
09-29-2008, 08:45 PM
I really don't...did you miss all my posts ripping Thigpen?


Come on....hes an easy target. Its obvious he sucks.

Count Alex's Losses
09-29-2008, 08:46 PM
Come on....hes an easy target. Its obvious he sucks.

Dude I rip plenty of Chiefs players. During training camp I was telling everyone how Hali was getting his ass kicked every day.

Deberg_1990
09-29-2008, 08:48 PM
I just dont understand why alot of Chiefs fan still look at Gunther as some sort of godlike figure.

Mecca
09-29-2008, 08:50 PM
I just dont understand why alot of Chiefs fan still look at Gunther as some sort of godlike figure.

Dan Dierdorf keeps calling him a KC Icon, that alone makes me wanna move.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 08:52 PM
It's just like the people who think I hate everything about the Chiefs because I don't like the coaching staff or some of the players.

Honestly Mecca, It's because you only focus on the negative.

You never give recognition to things that could be panning out. Like our rookie corners, or D-Bowe, or anything for that matter. you have agood knowlege of football, everyone knows that, but you will always be associated with bashing the Chiefs because no one has anything else in their minds except all the things that suck when they think of you, because it's all you ever talk about. Yes, there are a ton of things wrong with this team, but there are some good things that can be noted, but you never bother with any of that, and people get tired of just hearing about how shitty we are all the time.

Mecca
09-29-2008, 08:55 PM
I said a bunch of nice things yesterday...

Deberg_1990
09-29-2008, 08:56 PM
I said a bunch of nice things yesterday...

Could u repost that please for those of us that missed it?

Mecca
09-29-2008, 08:59 PM
Could u repost that please for those of us that missed it?

Well I said the corners played well and the Dline was showing good things other than Hali. DJ played well but I'm hesitant with that because he's always been inconsistent.

More people would notice the line playing well if we had a legit pass rusher on the end.

Deberg_1990
09-29-2008, 09:10 PM
Well I said the corners played well and the Dline was showing good things other than Hali. DJ played well but I'm hesitant with that because he's always been inconsistent.

More people would notice the line playing well if we had a legit pass rusher on the end.

Milkman said something yesterday to the effect of DJ played better because of the strong play of Williams on the other side as opposed to ancient Donnie Edwards. Care to elaborate?

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 09:10 PM
I stand corrected.

"The corners are fine. I've seen more from them in a month than I've seen from Bernard Pollard in 3 years."[Mecca/]

xbarretx
09-29-2008, 09:25 PM
Dan Dierdorf keeps calling him a KC Icon, that alone makes me wanna move.

who else on our staff had as much success (in the past) as gun? hes at least got that...so by default he does seem godlike. Guns at least had a high water mark.... i dread trying to ponder Herms high point, maybe for him it was when he was on the Coors commercial talking about 7-11 :hmmm:

BWillie
09-29-2008, 09:26 PM
people thought mario williams was a bust until his second year too

Mecca
09-29-2008, 09:28 PM
people thought mario williams was a bust until his second year too

Well people are looking at this wrong a DT isn't gonna get 10 sacks, if we don't sit in a spot to get a QB then it better be a DE.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 09:30 PM
Well people are looking at this wrong a DT isn't gonna get 10 sacks, if we don't sit in a spot to get a QB then it better be a DE.

Who are the top flight DEs coming out, and how high are they projecting at this point?

Mecca
09-29-2008, 09:32 PM
Who are the top flight DEs coming out, and how high are they projecting at this point?

Michael Johnson and George Selvie are probably going to be the top 2.....Selvie is an underclassman though. Then there are guys like Tyson Jackson who don't fit what we do he's like 290.

I guess after them comes Brian Orakpo down at Texas, but there's some serious dropoff after the top 2 guys.

xbarretx
09-29-2008, 09:35 PM
Michael Johnson and George Selvie are probably going to be the top 2.....Selvie is an underclassman though. Then there are guys like Tyson Jackson who don't fit what we do he's like 290.

I guess after them comes Brian Orakpo down at Texas, but there's some serious dropoff after the top 2 guys.

so are they top 10 material? top 20? 2nd rd? overall? i think thats what he was asking.

El Pendejo
09-29-2008, 09:36 PM
There's nothing wrong with Dorsey.

ChiefsCountry
09-29-2008, 09:37 PM
Johnson is top 5, Selvie is anywhere from 5 to early 2nd.

Mecca
09-29-2008, 09:37 PM
so are they top 10 material? top 20? 2nd rd? overall? i think thats what he was asking.

Johnson is because he's 6'7 with room to grow and major athletic ability...Selvie has outstanding pass rush skills and could very well be a top 10 guy, alot of it will come down to his weight, if he's 260 he'll be very much up there if he comes in at say 240, he'll be more viewed as a 3-4 OLB.

That's really the only question with Selvie is whether he is an end or a rush backer.

xbarretx
09-29-2008, 09:37 PM
Johnson is top 5, Selvie is anywhere from 5 to early 2nd.

thanks CC :thumb:

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 09:38 PM
Do you think Selvie's frame is big enough to put on any more mass? He put on 15 lbs this offseason to get to 245. You think he's maxed out? His frame looks kind of thin.

Mecca
09-29-2008, 09:39 PM
Do you think Selvie's frame is big enough to put on any more mass? He put on 15 lbs this offseason to get to 245. You think he's maxed out? His frame looks kind of thin.

He can play end at 250-255 so I don't think it's that big of a deal. Jason Taylor has a thin frame too....

I'd rather have that than say Tyson Jackson who is 290 out there, he's like another McBride basically.

xbarretx
09-29-2008, 09:40 PM
Johnson is because he's 6'7 with room to grow and major athletic ability...Selvie has outstanding pass rush skills and could very well be a top 10 guy, alot of it will come down to his weight, if he's 260 he'll be very much up there if he comes in at say 240, he'll be more viewed as a 3-4 OLB.

That's really the only question with Selvie is whether he is an end or a rush backer.

thanks as well Mec, so lemme ask this.

considering the lackluster potential at QB for the 09 class (as compared to past years...) what pos do you think we go first? lets say we get a top 5 pick ... or a top 10 . i think both are safe bets as to how we are going to finish this season .

Mecca
09-29-2008, 09:41 PM
thanks as well Mec, so lemme ask this.

considering the lackluster potential at QB for the 09 class (as compared to past years...) what pos do you think we go first? lets say we get a top 5 pick ... or a top 10 . i think both are safe bets as to how we are going to finish this season .

I think this class will end up with the QB's being higher rated than last years...

It has to be QB or DE because those are 2 of the 3 most valuable positions and we really have only made a move for 1 of the positions in LT so far.

xbarretx
09-29-2008, 09:43 PM
I think this class will end up with the QB's being higher rated than last years...

It has to be QB or DE because those are 2 of the 3 most valuable positions and we really have only made a move for 1 of the positions in LT so far.

:hail: thanks

i need to start studying for 09's class. I've been slacking ROFL

ChiefsCountry
09-29-2008, 09:43 PM
Really depends who comes out at QB and where we pick. We have to be top 3 IMO to get either a QB or DE this year unless Bradford and Stafford both come out.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 09:44 PM
He can play end at 250-255 so I don't think it's that big of a deal. Jason Taylor has a thin frame too....

I'd rather have that than say Tyson Jackson who is 290 out there, he's like another McBride basically.

I hear ya, I don't want anymore huge DEs, but I also don't want a guy getting man handled. JT was thin, but VERY muscular, and strong, and still had problems with strong Ts.

xbarretx
09-29-2008, 09:45 PM
Really depends who comes out at QB and where we pick. We have to be top 3 IMO to get either a QB or DE this year unless Bradford and Stafford both come out.

well, depending on how often Herm ties the O-calling up and holds it for ransom..thats a possibility. heres to top 3 ... uh i mean :deevee:

Mecca
09-29-2008, 09:45 PM
I hear ya, I don't want anymore huge DEs, but I also don't want a guy getting man handled. JT was thin, but VERY muscular, and strong, and still had problems with strong Ts.

Well Michael Johnson basically looks exactly like Jason Taylor he's 6'7 and if he weighs more than 250lbs I'd be stunned....

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 09:46 PM
I think this class will end up with the QB's being higher rated than last years...

It has to be QB or DE because those are 2 of the 3 most valuable positions and we really have only made a move for 1 of the positions in LT so far.

I was telling everyone last year that the QBs would emerge when everyone was saying that this QB class would be worse than last years. I think this one is actually better. We should definitely go after one even if we have to move up.

Mecca
09-29-2008, 09:47 PM
Well if none of the underclassmen come out that changes....there isn't a senior worth a top 15 pick I think there will be 2 with end of round 1 grades.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 09:52 PM
Well if none of the underclassmen come out that changes....there isn't a senior worth a top 15 pick I think there will be 2 with end of round 1 grades.

Truthiness.

Direckshun
09-29-2008, 09:55 PM
I haven't read this thread, but the premise is just embarrassing.

DTs are basically walking experiments their first year.

Tribal Warfare
09-29-2008, 10:41 PM
Johnson is top 5, Selvie is anywhere from 5 to early 2nd.

Michael Johnson has a big bust factor though

kcchiefsus
09-29-2008, 10:52 PM
Albert Haynesworth had 4.5 sacks in his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and already has 5 this year. Judging a defensive tackle this early is pretty ****ing stupid.

dtebbe
09-29-2008, 11:05 PM
He gets doubled about 70% of the time, which I think is pretty damn awesome for a rookie. That means someone else is free.

DT

alanm
09-29-2008, 11:18 PM
That's nice. I said a "young Warren Sapp", not Sapp as a rookie. I mean the Sapp from Tampa Bay who was a game changer for so many years, nobody could stop him when he was in his prime. THAT is what I hope for with Dorsey. Some day soon.
So basically you expect Dorsey to be all pro this year. :rolleyes:

El Pendejo
09-29-2008, 11:21 PM
Albert Haynesworth had 4.5 sacks in his first 3 years in the league. He had 6 last year and already has 5 this year. Judging a defensive tackle this early is pretty ****ing stupid.

Once again...I hate the chiefs as much as the next reasonable person...but this is a good post.

The interior of the chiefs D line is tits. Dorsey is fine. Albert is fine...a wee bit of a puss...but fine nonetheless.

SBK
09-29-2008, 11:35 PM
Once again...I hate the chiefs as much as the next reasonable person...but this is a good post.

The interior of the chiefs D line is tits. Dorsey is fine. Albert is fine...a wee bit of a puss...but fine nonetheless.

You're wrong about one thing, reasonable people love the Chiefs. :D

Ugly Duck
09-30-2008, 12:42 AM
What's wrong with Dorsey?

Al Davis heh-heh

Howlin Wolf
09-30-2008, 12:51 AM
for a rookie, he looks fine to me.

mylittlepony
09-30-2008, 04:26 AM
Mecca how do you see Greg Hardy fit into the picture. He has 3 sacks in 2 games against Florida and TCU so far. He looked REAL good last year.

Mecca
09-30-2008, 05:04 AM
Well he's a junior....I don't think he's a bad prospect he has good size and moves and has been pretty productive on a lower tiered SEC team. The only guy I'd steer clear of is Greg Middleton, he's basically a left end in the NFL or strong side end he's a bit bigger and slower...think Turk McBride with better pass rush moves.

If we're gonna talk underclassmen though outside of Selvie I'm a pretty big proponent of what Maurice Evans brings to the table.

the Talking Can
09-30-2008, 06:07 AM
I'm in no way trying to insinuate that Dorsey may be a bust but he has sure been a disappointment so far. What is the problem? Was he just over-hyped? I do think that eventually he will come around be alright but he seems to just disappear for long stretches. Maybe the expectations for him were a bit much. What you think?

do you realize that DTs don't catch TD passes?

the Talking Can
09-30-2008, 06:10 AM
You know, Turk, unless I'm mistaken, played some DE in college.

But realistically, he's learning LDE on the job in the NFL this year.

In watching him, I think he has some real potential to become a hell of a player there, and combined with Tank and GD, we just might have 3/4 of a dominating D-line.

Add a badass on the right side, with Tamba and Brian Johnston as depth, and we could really be onto something.

i'm down with this