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Mr. Arrowhead
09-29-2008, 06:37 PM
Larry F'n Johnson, didnt people want this guy traded a couple weeks ago

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 06:38 PM
People are stupid.

Mr. Flopnuts
09-29-2008, 06:39 PM
By damn near 100 yards at that.

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 06:42 PM
By damn near 100 yards at that.

http://nbcsportsmedia2.msnbc.com/j/ap/d5e82692-1a33-445a-a734-2519ae28223c.widec.jpg

Thig Lyfe
09-29-2008, 06:42 PM
Hot damn!

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:43 PM
where's mecca? he'll still say that the opposing d's are horrible.... blah blah blah.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 06:43 PM
like I said...if he plays all 16 games I see 1350 yards 10 TD's and a 4.2 or so YPC...that being said...do we really need to see him carry the ball 28 times a game? Jesus. I know he's our best back but in a season where we won't likely win more than 6 games, wouldn't it be nice to save some mileage and get some series in for Smith and Charles? LJ should be getting nothing more than 18-23 carries a game.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:43 PM
actually he said just that yesterday IIRC

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 06:43 PM
Mecca's just going to say "let's see him do it against a good defense..."

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:44 PM
like I said...if he plays all 16 games I see 1350 yards 10 TD's and a 4.2 or so YPC...that being said...do we really need to see him carry the ball 28 times a game? Jesus. I know he's our best back but in a season where we won't likely win more than 6 games, wouldn't it be nice to save some mileage and get some series in for Smith and Charles? LJ should be getting nothing more than 18-23 carries a game.

hootie, you play to win the game and yesterday lj won it for us. he wont be around in 3 years no matter what so get what you can NOW

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:44 PM
Mecca's just going to say "let's see him do it against a good defense..."

post above.

Mr. Plow
09-29-2008, 06:44 PM
If we can get something good for him....trade him.

StcChief
09-29-2008, 06:46 PM
Depends on what we could get.... it's still a business.

DeezNutz
09-29-2008, 06:47 PM
I've wanted him traded ever since he carried the rock over 400 times in a single season, so I believe this covers the last couple of weeks (and years).

Mr. Plow
09-29-2008, 06:48 PM
Mecca's just going to say "let's see him do it against a good defense..."


Well....

NE: 17th
Oak: 19th
ATL: 25th
Den: 26th

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 06:50 PM
Go and look at the other running backs who played Denver. Reggie Bush didn't do shit.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:50 PM
this week against carolina will tell, but some of those rankings are because of the way lj ran

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:50 PM
reggie had 74 yards rushing denvers problem so far this year was against the pass

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 06:52 PM
I honestly think the guy can be effective for another 4 yrs. He really doesn't have that much wear, and tear. He missed almost all of last season, and hardly carried the ball in college. I think he could be a great short yardage Bettis type of back once we get it all put together. Charles can be our Wilie Parker, and LJ can be our Bettis in 2010. By then his contract will not look that big.

Mr. Plow
09-29-2008, 06:53 PM
this week against carolina will tell, but some of those rankings are because of the way lj ran

We'll see. Carolina is at #20.

aturnis
09-29-2008, 06:54 PM
Hot damn!

this is my jam!

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:54 PM
plow is that total d or rush d???

MTG#10
09-29-2008, 06:54 PM
Go and look at the other running backs who played Denver. Reggie Bush didn't do shit.
Reggie Bush sucks.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 06:55 PM
hootie, you play to win the game and yesterday lj won it for us. he wont be around in 3 years no matter what so get what you can NOW

hmmm

Fred Taylor is as good as ever and has had a hell of a lot more wear than LJ...

There are always exceptions to the rule and saying LJ won't be around in 3 years is ridiculous at this point because no one knows.

You can always project or predict, but when LJ is on LJ still looks like he did in 2005...he doesn't have the supporting cast anymore, that's all.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 06:56 PM
Reggie Bush sucks.
There might be one or two running backs in the NFL I'd take over Reggie Bush...

Combine Bush with LJ and whoa.

Mr. Plow
09-29-2008, 06:56 PM
plow is that total d or rush d???

Rushing.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 06:57 PM
hmmm

Fred Taylor is as good as ever and has had a hell of a lot more wear than LJ...

There are always exceptions to the rule and saying LJ won't be around in 3 years is ridiculous at this point because no one knows.

You can always project or predict, but when LJ is on LJ still looks like he did in 2005...he doesn't have the supporting cast anymore, that's all.

If he still had that line, he would get 1750 with ease.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 06:58 PM
If he still had that line, he would get 1750 with ease.

I agree...

LJ being a power back has always been a myth IMO...he's a big guy with some power back tendencies but when it comes down to it he's best at getting to the 2nd level and making good cuts and running in the open field.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 06:58 PM
then carolina is actually 19th, and its somewhat skewed due to the amount of rushes against, they give up 4.1 ypc. dallas is #7 with the SAME 4.1 avg,

Mr. Plow
09-29-2008, 06:58 PM
plow is that total d or rush d???

#8 overall
#7 pass
#20 rush 114 yards/game

banyon
09-29-2008, 07:00 PM
Let him rack up another 100 yard game or 2 and max his value, then trade him to a contender at the peak.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:00 PM
I agree...

LJ being a power back has always been a myth IMO...he's a big guy with some power back tendencies but when it comes down to it he's best at getting to the 2nd level and making good cuts and running in the open field.

i agree with this and on your last point i just dont feel that the "powers that be" in kc are gonna keep him around that long

MTG#10
09-29-2008, 07:01 PM
There might be one or two running backs in the NFL I'd take over Reggie Bush...

Combine Bush with LJ and whoa.
One or two? I can think of at least 15.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:01 PM
well plow espn has them #19 with the aints #20 with 122 yards a game

aturnis
09-29-2008, 07:01 PM
There might be one or two running backs in the NFL I'd take over Reggie Bush...

Combine Bush with LJ and whoa.

Really?

Mr. Plow
09-29-2008, 07:01 PM
then carolina is actually 19th, and its somewhat skewed due to the amount of rushes against, they give up 4.1 ypc. dallas is #7 with the SAME 4.1 avg,


Dallas is #16 - with 414 total rushing yards given up on 99 attempts.
Carolina is #20 with 457 total rushing yards given up on on 111 attempts.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=D4C39D0C37370E1F987244468995CED0?offensiveStatisticCategory=null&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-o=1&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&d-447263-p=1

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:02 PM
but like i said you have to look at rushes per game also

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 07:02 PM
I would take a 2nd for LJ and a 2nd and a 3rd for Tony Gonzalez.

If Shockey, regardless of age, gets a 2nd and a 5th I'm not taking anything less than a 2nd and a 3rd for Gonzalez.

Tony Gonzalez still has 4 good seasons IMO...as long as he wants to keep putting in the work. He continues to show no signs of slowing down.

CoMoChief
09-29-2008, 07:02 PM
If we could get a couple first day picks for LJ i'd be all for it.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:04 PM
Dallas is #16 - with 414 total rushing yards given up on 99 attempts.
Carolina is #20 with 457 total rushing yards given up on on 111 attempts.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=D4C39D0C37370E1F987244468995CED0?offensiveStatisticCategory=null&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-o=1&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&d-447263-n=1&season=2008&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&d-447263-p=1

well sorry plow i was just on espn.com and their stats were totally different they probably havent updated after yesterday

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 07:04 PM
One or two? I can think of at least 15.

No way. He is finally coming into his own...he should never be more than a 10 carry a game back...but his value comes in the slot, in the flats...he can line up wide...he is a great decoy...he is as valuable to that offense as Drew Brees.

Combo him with an LJ type power back and that's an amazing duo. You can find an LJ a hell of a lot easier than a Reggie Bush. He isn't Barry Sanders, but Reggie is still a once every 10 years kind of back.

Mr. Plow
09-29-2008, 07:04 PM
but like i said you have to look at rushes per game also

I agree.

Carolina: 27.8 rushes against per game
Dallas: 24.8 rushes against per game

aturnis
09-29-2008, 07:05 PM
then carolina is actually 19th, and its somewhat skewed due to the amount of rushes against, they give up 4.1 ypc. dallas is #7 with the SAME 4.1 avg,

It doesn't sort them by ypc, it sorts by total yards yielded. Go ahead and click on the header for ypc and it will sort the teams by that category.

FAX
09-29-2008, 07:05 PM
One of the most severe wrongisms of my illustrious career. I didn't think LJ had a game like that still in him.

Take that, all our other RBs!!! (Which we're really deep at, by the way.)

FAX

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 07:05 PM
Really?

The dude is on pace for like 140 catches. He's indispensable IMO. You have to account for where he is every play...as a pure runner...hell friggin' no...but he's as valuable of a player to an offense as almost anyone (not Peyton, Brady)...

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:06 PM
I agree.

Carolina: 27.8 rushes against per game
Dallas: 24.8 rushes against per game

post #40

MTG#10
09-29-2008, 07:09 PM
No way. He is finally coming into his own...he should never be more than a 10 carry a game back...but his value comes in the slot, in the flats...he can line up wide...he is a great decoy...he is as valuable to that offense as Drew Brees.

Combo him with an LJ type power back and that's an amazing duo. You can find an LJ a hell of a lot easier than a Reggie Bush. He isn't Barry Sanders, but Reggie is still a once every 10 years kind of back.

Bush isnt even a RB. I know he plays the RB position but he's more of a receiver than a RB. Im not saying he doesnt have talent, but as a RB he isnt anything special.

Mr. Plow
09-29-2008, 07:09 PM
well sorry plow i was just on espn.com and their stats were totally different they probably havent updated after yesterday

Actually, just checked it out. They are the same - just depends on how you sort them. If you sort by total rushing yards given up, Carolina is #20. If you go by average rushing yards given up per game, Carolina is #19 & Atlanta is #20.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teamrush&sort=yds&pos=def&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:09 PM
Bush isnt even a RB. I know he plays the RB position but he's more of a receiver than a RB. Im not saying he doesnt have talent, but as a RB he isnt anything special.

totally agree with this statement

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:10 PM
and thats the saints WHOLE problem they cant run the ball to put away a game a la the DV chiefs, its funny a buddy of mine quit on the chiefs because of DV now he LOVES the saints ****ed up huh?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-29-2008, 07:12 PM
Reggie Bush sucks.

You're a dumbass. Bush had 150 yards from scrimmage and two TD's against Denver.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:13 PM
74 yards RUSHING which is what we're really talking about

aturnis
09-29-2008, 07:16 PM
Go and look at the other running backs who played Denver. Reggie Bush didn't do shit.

Saints were always playing from behind too.

JASONSAUTO
09-29-2008, 07:18 PM
bush averages 45 yards per game this year

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 07:19 PM
Saints were always playing from behind too.

Saints failed to establish the run early.

MTG#10
09-29-2008, 07:21 PM
You're a dumbass. Bush had 150 yards from scrimmage and two TD's against Denver.
You're a dipshit. Reggie Bush sucks as a RB. He's good as a slot receiver and catching the ball in the flats, but as a runner he sucks. Liberal POS.

Marcellus
09-29-2008, 07:26 PM
The dude is on pace for like 140 catches. He's indispensable IMO. You have to account for where he is every play...as a pure runner...hell friggin' no...but he's as valuable of a player to an offense as almost anyone (not Peyton, Brady)...

No more than Brian Westbrook. He is like > 50% of the Eagles offense the last 3 years. Gets hurt too much though.

Buck
09-29-2008, 07:38 PM
Who wants a sig bet?

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 07:39 PM
Ask me in two weeks.

Buck
09-29-2008, 07:41 PM
Ask me in two weeks.

I don't want to ask you in 2 weeks

Bwana
09-29-2008, 07:48 PM
Larry F'n Johnson, didnt people want this guy traded a couple weeks ago

I would still trade him for the right price, in the drop of a hat.

milkman
09-29-2008, 07:52 PM
I honestly think the guy can be effective for another 4 yrs. He really doesn't have that much wear, and tear. He missed almost all of last season, and hardly carried the ball in college. I think he could be a great short yardage Bettis type of back once we get it all put together. Charles can be our Wilie Parker, and LJ can be our Bettis in 2010. By then his contract will not look that big.

The best short yardage backs are the ones that have great vision, or a combination of good vision and power.

Marcus allen and Priest Holmes had great vision.

Bettis had a combination of good vision and power,

LJ is neither.

milkman
09-29-2008, 07:53 PM
I would still trade him for the right price, in the drop of a hat.

Ditto.

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 07:58 PM
Larry sucks at short yardage!

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4927/neck2vq6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 07:59 PM
The best short yardage backs are the ones that have great vision, or a combination of good vision and power.

Marcus allen and Priest Holmes had great vision.

Bettis had a combination of good vision and power,

LJ is neither.

I think when LJ has decent blocking he has pretty good vision.

He will put his head down, and get two yrds if the gaol line is the prize.

He always falls forward, and has a way of twisting for extra yards.

With that said, If he's still kicking ass by week 8, we should try to get a 2nd rounder from someone for him.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2008, 08:04 PM
I think when LJ has decent blocking he has pretty good vision.

He will put his head down, and get two yrds if the gaol line is the prize.

He always falls forward, and has a way of twisting for extra yards.

With that said, If he's still kicking ass by week 8, we should try to get a 2nd rounder from someone for him.

Trade deadline is October 14.

BTW, this isn't ****ing fantasy football.

LJ's going NOWHERE.

Nor should he.

Deberg_1990
09-29-2008, 08:07 PM
Trade deadline is October 14.

BTW, this isn't ****ing fantasy football.

LJ's going NOWHERE.

Nor should he.

Well said.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 08:12 PM
Trade deadline is October 14.

BTW, this isn't ****ing fantasy football.

LJ's going NOWHERE.

Nor should he.

A man can dream can't he.

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 08:13 PM
Some of you are really pissing me off.

Deberg_1990
09-29-2008, 08:16 PM
I find it funny how some people were clarmoring for Charles to become the starter...ROFL

Dude isnt big enough to be an every down back.

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 08:16 PM
Some of you are really pissing me off.
I'm all for the scenario I stated above, and truly believe LJ will be a productive back for us for 3-4 more years.

BWillie
09-29-2008, 08:24 PM
As others have surely said, I still want to trade LJ. If he gets 400 yards in the next game, trade his ass. We are going to win 4 games this year. By the time he gets Eddie George'd we will finally be able to make the playoffs. He's of no value to us.

Sure-Oz
09-29-2008, 08:26 PM
We should trade for Roy Williams, he wants out of DEEE Troit or Anquan Boldin....but i bet they each are too high

beach tribe
09-29-2008, 08:28 PM
We should trade for Roy Williams, he wants out of DEEE Troit or Anquan Boldin....but i bet they each are too high

I think Bolden may have to learn how to tie his shoes again first.

Sure-Oz
09-29-2008, 08:29 PM
I think Bolden may have to learn how to tie his shoes again first.

Exactly why you trade for him now, his value must be at an all time low!

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 08:45 PM
I've wanted him traded ever since he carried the rock over 400 times in a single season, so I believe this covers the last couple of weeks (and years).

You and me both. :harumph:

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-29-2008, 08:57 PM
You're a dipshit. Reggie Bush sucks as a RB. He's good as a slot receiver and catching the ball in the flats, but as a runner he sucks. Liberal POS.

He wasn't drafted to be Larry Johnson, Mongo. The point of the game is to get yards and score points. He seems to be pretty good at that.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-29-2008, 09:02 PM
Larry Johnson will be 31 by the time we can compete.

The problem with signing free agents to long deals isn't the first two years of the deal--it's the back end. It's the same in any sport. Ask the Cardinals how much they liked Jim Edmonds or Scott Rolen's production at the end of their contracts, or how the Yankees like Jason Giambi now opposed to 2002.

Do you really think that the Seahawks were pleased for giving Alexander big money, or the Titans to George and McNair?

People are using a short term mindset for a long term rebuild. Larry Johnson will not help this team win when they can win, and his contract is an albatross.

The fact of the matter is that RBs decline precipitously once they hit 30. You can say there are exceptions, but what kind of GM wants to bank on an exception to a rule in hoping they can make wise decisions for the future of the franchise?

CP has you fools on a string. This entire fanbase has a week to week mentality.

DeezNutz
09-29-2008, 09:04 PM
You and me both. :harumph:

Obviously, we're ****ing brilliant.

milkman
09-29-2008, 09:08 PM
:clap::clap::clap:Larry Johnson will be 31 by the time we can compete.

The problem with signing free agents to long deals isn't the first two years of the deal--it's the back end. It's the same in any sport. Ask the Cardinals how much they liked Jim Edmonds or Scott Rolen's production at the end of their contracts, or how the Yankees like Jason Giambi now opposed to 2002.

Do you really think that the Seahawks were pleased for giving Alexander big money, or the Titans to George and McNair?

People are using a short term mindset for a long term rebuild. Larry Johnson will not help this team win when they can win, and his contract is an albatross.

The fact of the matter is that RBs decline precipitously once they hit 30. You can say there are exceptions, but what kind of GM wants to bank on an exception to a rule in hoping they can make wise decisions for the future of the franchise?

CP has you fools on a string. This entire fanbase has a week to week mentality.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

KcFanInGA
09-29-2008, 09:09 PM
I would note that we have 2 very promising rb's waiting behind larry, so there is no need for any action at all here. Focus on something more important!!!

Mr. Laz
09-29-2008, 09:10 PM
Larry F'n Johnson, didnt people want this guy traded a couple weeks ago

still do

triple
09-29-2008, 09:12 PM
The fact of the matter is that RBs decline precipitously once they hit 30. You can say there are exceptions, but what kind of GM wants to bank on an exception to a rule in hoping they can make wise decisions for the future of the franchise?

bingo

Deberg_1990
09-29-2008, 09:24 PM
Larry Johnson will be 31 by the time we can compete.

The problem with signing free agents to long deals isn't the first two years of the deal--it's the back end. It's the same in any sport. Ask the Cardinals how much they liked Jim Edmonds or Scott Rolen's production at the end of their contracts, or how the Yankees like Jason Giambi now opposed to 2002.

Do you really think that the Seahawks were pleased for giving Alexander big money, or the Titans to George and McNair?

People are using a short term mindset for a long term rebuild. Larry Johnson will not help this team win when they can win, and his contract is an albatross.

The fact of the matter is that RBs decline precipitously once they hit 30. You can say there are exceptions, but what kind of GM wants to bank on an exception to a rule in hoping they can make wise decisions for the future of the franchise?

CP has you fools on a string. This entire fanbase has a week to week mentality.

Dude, the damage has already been done so to speak.

Cant we just sit back and enjoy LJ when he plays well??

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2008, 09:25 PM
Dude, the damage has already been done so to speak.

Cant we just sit back and enjoy LJ when he plays well??

Apparently not.

Mr. Flopnuts
09-29-2008, 09:29 PM
31 is too old to effectively compete? I mean, by that logic he'll be 33 by the time we win the Super Bowl.

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 09:32 PM
I think we'll be competing for a playoff spot next season.

And it goes without saying that Larry Johnson would be instrumental to the development of any young quarterback.

BigRock
09-29-2008, 09:45 PM
He's leading the AFC, but he's less than 10 yards away from leading the entire league.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2008, 09:47 PM
He's leading the AFC, but he's less than 10 yards away from leading the entire league.

That's not good enough!

Release him!!!

Immediately!!!!

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 09:49 PM
That's not good enough!

Release him!!!

Immediately!!!!

Dane, no one is suggesting releasing him. But if there was a team interested, I'd say trade him. (with in reason, of course)

Count Zarth
09-29-2008, 09:50 PM
He is untradeable. Please stop suggesting it. It makes you appear stupid.

kcchiefsus
09-29-2008, 09:51 PM
Well....

NE: 17th
Oak: 19th
ATL: 25th
Den: 26th

You ever consider that part of the reason some of those run defenses aren't good is because of what LJ did against them? Looking at a statistical ranking after 4 weeks is pointless.

Also, if it can be said that LJ is doing what he has done against poor run defenses, can't it be countered with the fact that our offensive line is pretty piss poor for the most part? I would think it kind of equals out.

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 09:51 PM
He is untradeable. Please stop suggesting it. It makes you appear stupid.

Of course he is. That's why I wanted to trade him after his 400 carry season.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2008, 09:53 PM
Dane, no one is suggesting releasing him. But if there was a team interested, I'd say trade him. (with in reason, of course)

Really?

There were posts just last week saying he should be ****ing RELEASED.

And trading him is just as ****ing stupid.

This isn't fantasy football, folks.

You DO NOT trade one of the best backs in the league (if not THE best) for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

JFC.

This place has become ****ing Romper Room.

kcchiefsus
09-29-2008, 10:01 PM
Of course he is. That's why I wanted to trade him after his 400 carry season.

Oh well it didn't happen. I doubt he would have netted much in return because runningbacks simply are not valued as much these days. If he can help us get through these hard times by giving us some semblance of offense then I am fine with him being here.

FAX
09-29-2008, 10:11 PM
He's leading the AFC, but he's less than 10 yards away from leading the entire league.

That's actually pretty surprising. Especially considering how we've struggled in the run game, the many rushes for negative yards, and the expanded use of Chucky and Cheesy. Is this a bad year for running backs, or something?

Anyway, since that's the case, I guess we shouldn't cut him no matter what Mr. DaneMcCloud says.

FAX

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 10:11 PM
Really?

There were posts just last week saying he should be ****ing RELEASED.

And trading him is just as ****ing stupid.

This isn't fantasy football, folks.

You DO NOT trade one of the best backs in the league (if not THE best) for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

JFC.

This place has become ****ing Romper Room.

I didn't say 2nd or 3rd round.

And if people were actually calling for his release, well, JFC.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-29-2008, 10:15 PM
I didn't say 2nd or 3rd round.

And if people were actually calling for his release, well, JFC.

You couldn't get a 2nd rounder for him.

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 10:17 PM
You couldn't get a 2nd rounder for him.

True, now.

Then again, stranger things have happened.

I'm just more pissed he wasn't traded long ago. But he's doing well on my fantasy team. :)

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2008, 10:27 PM
True, now.

Then again, stranger things have happened.

I'm just more pissed he wasn't traded long ago. But he's doing well on my fantasy team. :)

Why?

When healthy, the guy is the second best back in the league, bar none.

Why trade THAT guy?

Everyone saw the result of no Larry Johnson last year: 0-8.

Why would ANYONE want THAT?

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 10:30 PM
Why?

When healthy, the guy is the second best back in the league, bar none.

Why trade THAT guy?

Everyone saw the result of no Larry Johnson last year: 0-8.

Why would ANYONE want THAT?

Because LJ is like Huard now. Huard offers no future. He won't be part of the winning (hopefully) team of the future. And neither, really, will Larry.

By the time the team is where it needs to be, he'll be just past his peak or too worn out to be very good. A #1 back when we could have gotten it would have worked wonders. It may have even netted us a QB that we could be developing now. Who knows.

DaneMcCloud
09-29-2008, 10:42 PM
Because LJ is like Huard now. Huard offers no future. He won't be part of the winning (hopefully) team of the future. And neither, really, will Larry.

By the time the team is where it needs to be, he'll be just past his peak or too worn out to be very good. A #1 back when we could have gotten it would have worked wonders. It may have even netted us a QB that we could be developing now. Who knows.

Getting number one pick for Larry Johnson is a complete and utter fallacy.

NO ONE wanted him coming off his record 425 carries. There WERE no trade offers, especially for a number one.

When would you have traded him? After the 2005 season when he put up 1700 yards? Gimme a ****ing break.

Again, this is NOT fantasy football.

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 10:44 PM
Getting number one pick for Larry Johnson is a complete and utter fallacy.

NO ONE wanted him coming off his record 425 carries. There WERE no trade offers, especially for a number one.

When would you have traded him? After the 2005 season when he put up 1700 yards? Gimme a ****ing break.

Again, this is NOT fantasy football.

Dane, I know this is not fantasy football. Although, that would be cool.

We don't really know if no one wanted him, do we? We just know what was reported. And we all know that can be kept under wraps, or it can be publicly released. Who knows.

Fact is, if we were committed to a rebuild, we wouldn't have given into the massive contract.

okcchief
09-29-2008, 10:47 PM
I know Larry is a capable back I just think we should get some value for him while we can. I feel like he will be used goods by the time the Chiefs will be ready to compete again.

Sunday was great and I hope we can see more consistancy out of the Chiefs. I think we all know we have a few years and are still looking for the QB to compete. Croyle and Thigpen aren't the answer and Huard is obvisouly a solid NFL backup but he's too old.

FAX
09-29-2008, 10:49 PM
... Fact is, if we were committed to a rebuild, we wouldn't have given into the massive contract.

That, right there, is a very interesting point, Mr. irishjayhawk. At that time, it appears we were still trying to eke out wins the old-fashioned way. It was the year of Downfield and the Three Methuselahs on the o-line, for example. If the timing had been different, I wonder if the FO would have made the same decision a year later.

Perhaps not.

FAX

irishjayhawk
09-29-2008, 10:53 PM
That, right there, is a very interesting point, Mr. irishjayhawk. At that time, it appears we were still trying to eke out wins the old-fashioned way. It was the year of Downfield and the Three Methuselahs on the o-line, for example. If the timing had been different, I wonder if the FO would have made the same decision a year later.

Perhaps not.

FAX

Very true.

Personally, I think everyone knew we were in need of a rebuild at that point except Carl. However, many fans also didn't want to trade LJ after his rushing numbers.

So, it was kind of a lose-lose.

okcchief
09-29-2008, 11:05 PM
That, right there, is a very interesting point, Mr. irishjayhawk. At that time, it appears we were still trying to eke out wins the old-fashioned way. It was the year of Downfield and the Three Methuselahs on the o-line, for example. If the timing had been different, I wonder if the FO would have made the same decision a year later.

Perhaps not.

FAX

If you watched Hard Knocks on HBO they talked like they had a chance at the SuperBowl. I remember thinking "You have to be ****ing kidding me." They never said anything about a rebuild until they started sucking last year. That was my first problem with this coaching staff. I understand being opptomistic but there is no way a rational person could have thought this team could play with the AFC elite last year. ****ing stupid.

If they could get a 2nd rounder or better for Johnson I would take it. Anything less we might as well roll with him at this point.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 11:32 PM
I think the thing I really appreciate about Larry is the fact he is nowhere even close to injury prone. I watched that MNF game tonight and there were like 9 RB's injured...

Other than the fluke foot injury, I can hardly ever remember LJ even coming out of the game...ever. For anything. The dude is one durable guy...they tried decapitating him once after a 70 yard catch and he missed the last minute or so but for real, other than the foot injury he has been amazingly durable...especially for the work load he receives. Has to be the most underrated aspect of his game.

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 11:34 PM
by the way, LJ didn't really get a "massive" contract...we actually got him at a bargain price considering he was coming off of two and a half straight years of pro bowl caliber football.

8/21/2007: Signed a six-year, $45.05 million contract. The deal included a $12.5 million signing bonus and contains $19 million in total guarantees. The first three years' base salaries are guaranteed. 2008: $2.5 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2009: $4.55 million (+ $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2010: $5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due 3/1 + $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2011: $5.3 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due 3/1 + $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2012: $5.9 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due 3/1 + $100,000 workout bonus + $62,500 per-game roster bonuses), 2013: Free Agent. Cap charges: $6.156 million (2008), $8.206 million (2009), $9.183 million (2010), $9.483 million (2011), $10.083 million (2012).

Short Leash Hootie
09-29-2008, 11:35 PM
his contract is really built for him to stay the entire duration though, which is kind of surprising.

boogblaster
09-29-2008, 11:41 PM
LJ isn't going anywhere ... he's a power-back used to burn time with a lead ... if things go well and he gets big-yardage before a lead thats a plus ... some people here think he's not got it anymore.. thats far from the case.. he needs a hole to run through .. given that he can rumble all day ....

CoMoChief
09-30-2008, 12:32 AM
I think we'll be competing for a playoff spot next season.

And it goes without saying that Larry Johnson would be instrumental to the development of any young quarterback.

Not with Croyle at QB we won't be. Thats a whole other story.

BigMeatballDave
09-30-2008, 01:31 AM
Larry F'n Johnson, didnt people want this guy traded a couple weeks agoStill do. His contract and value won't allow it.

MTG#10
09-30-2008, 04:11 AM
He wasn't drafted to be Larry Johnson, Mongo. The point of the game is to get yards and score points. He seems to be pretty good at that.
My quote of "Reggie Bush sucks" was in response to claythan saying "Go and look at the other running backs who played Denver. Reggie Bush didn't do shit." Thats because as a RB Reggie Bush sucks.

Mecca
09-30-2008, 04:52 AM
My quote of "Reggie Bush sucks" was in response to claythan saying "Go and look at the other running backs who played Denver. Reggie Bush didn't do shit." Thats because as a RB Reggie Bush sucks.

Uh.........

18 Rush, 73 yds
1 TD
11 Rec, 75 yds, 1 TD

Just under 150 total yards with 2 TD's is a little above not doing shit I'm pretty sure.

Now in fairness here LJ is not the 2nd best back in the NFL he's not complete enough for that.

I'd still trade him if I could and still think they should have, way to easy to find RB's and use a 2 RB system, that combined would make less money.

Also this is 2 games the first 2 he was awful, people just completely jump around and live week to week, I guess Ronnie Brown is a HOFer now too.

King_Chief_Fan
09-30-2008, 06:47 AM
Larry F'n Johnson, didnt people want this guy traded a couple weeks ago

By the time the Chiefs are good enough to win anything, LJ will be retired.

Trading him is still a good idea. Almost as good an idea of trading JA.

He keeps running like he did against Denver and gets his trade value up, we should highly consider it. 2-3 picks to move this team along would be very helpful. Of course, it helps to have a deep RB bench to make up for the loss of LJ. But, if we don't trade him, that is fine by me as well.

Mr. Plow
09-30-2008, 07:32 AM
You ever consider that part of the reason some of those run defenses aren't good is because of what LJ did against them? Looking at a statistical ranking after 4 weeks is pointless.

Also, if it can be said that LJ is doing what he has done against poor run defenses, can't it be countered with the fact that our offensive line is pretty piss poor for the most part? I would think it kind of equals out.

I'm not disagreeing that LJ caused some of that damage. The point of me listing those rankings was just to show that we haven't gone against a good run defense yet....and with Carolina ranked #20 against the run....it's gonna be at least another week.

And, just for the record:

LJ
NE: 22 rushes for 74 yards
Oak: 12 rushes for 22 yards
Atl: 24 rushes for 121 yards
Den: 28 rushes for 198 yards

KCJohnny
09-30-2008, 07:37 AM
By the time the Chiefs are good enough to win anything, LJ will be retired.

Trading him is still a good idea. Almost as good an idea of trading JA.

He keeps running like he did against Denver and gets his trade value up, we should highly consider it. 2-3 picks to move this team along would be very helpful. Of course, it helps to have a deep RB bench to make up for the loss of LJ. But, if we don't trade him, that is fine by me as well.

The LJ trade talk is quite popular, but it seems clear to me that Jared's defection to Minny was bad for the Chiefs and also for Jared (so far).

Stryker
09-30-2008, 07:43 AM
Sweet!

Redrum_69
09-30-2008, 08:12 AM
chiefs need to trade LJ soon
LJ is due to get hurt
talk to brady about karma..

Redrum_69
09-30-2008, 08:13 AM
LJ is not nor will he ever be a Barry Sanders
LJ will never be in the hall of fame
LJ is just an extension of rap

TEX
09-30-2008, 09:01 AM
I'm laughing because I drafted him in the 5th round in my FFL and everyone laughed when I did...I love it when things work out this way...LMAO

irishjayhawk
09-30-2008, 09:27 AM
The LJ trade talk is quite popular, but it seems clear to me that Jared's defection to Minny was bad for the Chiefs and also for Jared (so far).

How was Jared's trade to Minny bad for the Chiefs?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-30-2008, 09:28 AM
How was Jared's trade to Minny bad for the Chiefs?

You must first put yourself in the mind of a dumbass.

milkman
09-30-2008, 07:37 PM
You must first put yourself in the mind of a dumbass.

Well said.

Fire Me Boy!
10-05-2008, 07:12 PM
So.... where's LJ now after that astounding 2 yard game?

Count Zarth
10-05-2008, 07:15 PM
Well, he only had 7 carries...so he's still averaging a healthy 4.5 YPC. GO LJ!

Fire Me Boy!
10-05-2008, 07:16 PM
Well, he only had 7 carries...so he's still averaging a healthy 4.5 YPC. GO LJ!

Today.... he averaged less than a foot per carry.

Couldn't he take the snap, fall forward and stretch out his arms and do better? How tall is he, arms extended?

Count Zarth
10-05-2008, 07:17 PM
Today.... he averaged less than a foot per carry.

Couldn't he take the snap, fall forward and stretch out his arms and do better? How tall is he, arms extended?

You didn't watch the game?

He had a couple of decent runs and got thrown for a few losses. Our OL was dominated. At one point Adrian Jones back into LJ and butt-tackled him.

Fire Me Boy!
10-05-2008, 07:23 PM
You didn't watch the game?

He had a couple of decent runs and got thrown for a few losses. Our OL was dominated. At one point Adrian Jones back into LJ and butt-tackled him.

I watched the game. At this point I'm just curious if it would be possible for him to fall forward from taking the snap and have a better YPC.

Seriously... we could have had a better YPC if we'd QB sneaked the entire game.

I'm not laying blame... just saying the YPC for LJ was ... I can't come up with a word that really justifies LJ's performance today. Abysmal? No. Putrid? No. Horrid? No. I'm just drawing a blank.

Count Zarth
10-05-2008, 07:31 PM
I watched the game. At this point I'm just curious if it would be possible for him to fall forward from taking the snap and have a better YPC.


At least they're trying something else than Niswanger Iso-Butt Plunges.

Sometimes that results in negative plays.

Fire Me Boy!
10-05-2008, 07:41 PM
At least they're trying something else than Niswanger Iso-Butt Plunges.

Sometimes that results in negative plays.

Again... not talking about running up the center's ass.

I'm curious about the effect of literally taking the snap, and falling forward, arms outstretched.

More than positive 10 inches?

Count Zarth
10-05-2008, 07:44 PM
Again... not talking about running up the center's ass.

I'm curious about the effect of literally taking the snap, and falling forward, arms outstretched.

More than positive 10 inches?

Oh, yeah, probably.

triple
10-05-2008, 07:47 PM
we know there's only one person whose butt you want larry johnson to plunge into...