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Sure-Oz
10-01-2008, 07:10 PM
Brodie Croyle-QB-Chiefs Oct. 1 - 4:40 pm et

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards wouldn't commit Wednesday to Brodie Croyle retaking his starting job when he returns from a separated throwing shoulder.
"We'll talk about that when Brodie comes back," Edwards said, nodding his head repeatedly like it was a bad question. If KC was committed to winning this year, Damon Huard would likely continue to start, but that isn't the case. per rw

I just saw this on tv, and it looks like herm is waffling big time, and kept as it describes above, shaking off the question. It almost sounds like he would stick with Damon if he continues to play decent.

Croyle should be starting if he is healthy enough to play, period. He wouldn't say it's Croyle's job

KurtCobain
10-01-2008, 07:11 PM
Croyle should start. I want to give him one more chance. He should excell.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 07:11 PM
Won't happen.

Fish
10-01-2008, 07:14 PM
Last few statements by Herm on Croyle almost makes you feel like Herm has lost some faith in him. If that's the case.... see ya Brodie. Herm's bad side is cold...

Brodie should come right back though IMO...

TrickyNicky
10-01-2008, 07:17 PM
I can understand why, because he wants to keep his job and he thinks starting Huard will get him a few more wins.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 07:19 PM
It's goofy how 0-9 and multiple injuries will shake one's faith in a player...

Skip Towne
10-01-2008, 07:20 PM
We can't get rid of Herm soon enough.

Mr. Laz
10-01-2008, 07:21 PM
if we do stick with Huard then we might as well just cut every QB on the roster at teh end of the year because they are worthless to us going forward.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2008, 07:21 PM
I can understand why, because he wants to keep his job and he thinks starting Huard will get him a few more wins.

I don't buy that AT all.

I seriously doubt that Clark Hunt is telling Herm "You'd better start Huard and win some games. Otherwise, you're fired".

No. ****ing. Way.

Herm's stuck in a pickle. He's got an old QB who has limited abilities, a young QB who can't stay healthy with a ton of physical ability, a QB that's as raw as and raw can be and a complete unknown in Martin.

Who gives this team the best chance to improve week in and week out and what's best for this organization? Waiting for Croyle to get hurt again or trying to move forward with the development of young players?

THAT'S the issue.

NOT whether or not Herm would lose his job.

Fruit Ninja
10-01-2008, 07:21 PM
I can understand why, because he wants to keep his job and he thinks starting Huard will get him a few more wins.

Yep, he has to show improvment in the wins area. If he doesnt, he's gone. He's fighting for his job right now.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2008, 07:21 PM
if we do stick with Huard then we might as well just cut every QB on the roster at teh end of the year because they are worthless to us going forward.

They're probably worthless moving forward right now.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2008, 07:22 PM
Yep, he has to show improvment in the wins area. If he doesnt, he's gone. He's fighting for his job right now.

Again, no ****ing way.

Sure-Oz
10-01-2008, 07:23 PM
Isn't there an old school rule, you don't lose your job to injury?

If this is a true youth movement you let the guy that may have a future play out the year barring injury...and then evaluate. Huard is not the future starter

Fruit Ninja
10-01-2008, 07:26 PM
Again, no ****ing way.

For a fan, its stupid to start Huard, but fighting for a paycheck i can see it easy.

TrickyNicky
10-01-2008, 07:26 PM
Are you kidding me? Herm is sticking with Huard because he's been burned by the same situation before. You can't tell me he wasn't feeling the pressure of perhaps losing his job after the eggs his team laid under the horrible Thigpen experiment. He's not waffling about Brodie. He's already made up his mind. Huard wins and doesn't stink up the joint, he stays in.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 07:27 PM
If this is a true youth movement you let the guy that may have a future as a back-up QB play out the year barring injury...and then evaluate. Neither Huard nor Croyle are future starters, though.

FYP. :D

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 07:27 PM
Croyle is starting when he's healthy. Period. In fact, he still gives the Chiefs the best chance to win.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 07:29 PM
In fact, he still gives the Chiefs the best chance to win.

Indeed. All of the evidence supports this. ROFL

The Chiefs don't have a starting QB, so who plays out the rest of the year doesn't really matter...

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 07:30 PM
Indeed. All of the evidence supports this. ROFL


Croyle played well in New England before he got hurt.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 07:31 PM
Croyle played well in New England before he got hurt.

True. He kicked ass during the first series.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 07:33 PM
When Croyle returns to the line-up, as I'm sure he will, it will be interesting if some posters are quick to claim that he "deserves another shot" when he gets hurt, again.

dj56dt58
10-01-2008, 07:39 PM
Huard is best for the youth movement..he will make more players better than Brodie will..on BOTH sides of the ball

MIAdragon
10-01-2008, 07:40 PM
Are you kidding me? Herm is sticking with Huard because he's been burned by the same situation before. Huard wins and doesn't stink up the joint, he stays in.

This is everything that is wrong with this franchise. The great teams play to win the Super Bowl, we play to win 7-8 games.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 07:41 PM
Huard is best for the youth movement..he will make more players better than Brodie will

Don't you realize the playbook is limited when Huard is under center? The Chiefs can't run bootlegs or much of anything that calls for a moving quarterback. The Chiefs' deep game is severely limited because Huard can't make the throws Croyle can.

Judging by the way people are suddenly sucking off Huard after a 160-yard game, they're going to be SHOCKED when Croyle comes back. It's almost as if people think Croyle and Thigpen are the same player. WTF?

milkman
10-01-2008, 07:44 PM
When Croyle returns to the line-up, as I'm sure he will, it will be interesting if some posters are quick to claim that he "deserves another shot" when he gets hurt, again.

Brodie deserved the shot he had at the start of teh season, and the fact is, a lot of players would have gone out with that injury in the same circumstances.

However, he hasn't been able to stay on the field far to often already.

Give him another chance.
Don't give him another chance.

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

It would be foolish for the Chiefs to go into the season next year with the QB depth chart as is.

We need to address the position in the draft and in FA and rebuild the depth chart at QB.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 07:46 PM
Don't you realize the playbook is limited when Huard is under center? The Chiefs can't run bootlegs or much of anything that calls for a moving quarterback. The Chiefs' deep game is severely limited because Huard can't make the throws Croyle can.

Judging by the way people are suddenly sucking off Huard after a 160-yard game, they're going to be SHOCKED when Croyle comes back. It's almost as if people think Croyle and Thigpen are the same player. WTF?

I'm about sick of hearing about the magical bootlegs that this team runs. Also, the deep threat is a major aspect of any Herm-led team, since he has a penchant for risk taking.

Huard and Croyle = different kinds of suck. Get over it.

dj56dt58
10-01-2008, 07:46 PM
Don't you realize the playbook is limited when Huard is under center? The Chiefs can't run bootlegs or much of anything that calls for a moving quarterback. The Chiefs' deep game is severely limited because Huard can't make the throws Croyle can.

Judging by the way people are suddenly sucking off Huard after a 160-yard game, they're going to be SHOCKED when Croyle comes back. It's almost as if people think Croyle and Thigpen are the same player. WTF?

Huard makes throws that thigpen and croyle cant..more importantly he attempts to make throws that Brodie wont. I can cant the number of swing passes from Sunday on one hand

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 07:46 PM
I'm about sick of hearing about the magical bootlegs that this team runs.

It's a key part of the offensive attack. We're limited when Huard is out there.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 07:47 PM
Huard makes throws that thigpen and croyle cant...

That's just ridiculous.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 07:47 PM
Brodie deserved the shot he had at the start of teh season, and the fact is, a lot of players would have gone out with that injury in the same circumstances.

However, he hasn't been able to stay on the field far to often already.

Give him another chance.
Don't give him another chance.

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

It would be foolish for the Chiefs to go into the season next year with the QB depth chart as is.

We need to address the position in the draft and in FA and rebuild the depth chart at QB.

The only point I might argue with here is whether or not a lot of other players would have been hurt on the same play. Don't get me wrong, Croyle was rocked. But I would have liked to have seen how 15-20 more lbs. of muscle mass would have affected the results.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 07:50 PM
It's a key part of the offensive attack.

Brought to us by the same dipshits that tried running the option, during the first series of a game. An NFL game.

Why is it so important to get Croyle on the move? This has nothing to do with trying not to get him killed, right?

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 07:53 PM
Brought to us by the same dipshits that tried running the option.

Are you serious? Bootleg is no way comparable to the option.


Why is it so important to get Croyle on the move? This has nothing to do with trying not to get him killed, right?

It's one of his strengths? He throws well on the run? It results in big plays?

raptorrage
10-01-2008, 08:05 PM
this all depends if Julius Peppers has himself Huard for lunch i bet he is foaming at the mouth - i'm not yet convinced that Croyle is much more then anything other then a backup QB at this point, he is just to frail to be a QB in the NFL. Huard gives us the best chance to win even if Croyle was healthy

FAX
10-01-2008, 08:12 PM
This should be interesting. There's an unwritten law in the NFL that says you don't lose your job due to injury. Also, the youth movement dictates that we start Croyle ... at least until he proves once and for all that he isn't the right guy for the job.

My guess is that he'll return as the starter ... with an even shorter leash (if that's possible) this time around.

FAX

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 08:12 PM
Are you serious? Bootleg is no way comparable to the option.



It's one of his strengths? He throws well on the run? It results in big plays?

Not comparing the two. Simply commenting upon the brilliance of the Chiefs offensive braintrust.

Sorry, I'm having a difficult time thinking through all the "big plays" Croyle has authored. All the talk of his perceived strengths is meaningless to me because I don't think he'll ever stay on the field consistently.

LiL stumppy
10-01-2008, 08:13 PM
Should still be Brodie's job, I thought he performed well until his injury.

Chiefnj2
10-01-2008, 08:14 PM
Maybe they made up their mind on Croyle already.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 08:16 PM
Also, the youth movement dictates that we start Croyle ... at least until he proves once and for all that he isn't the right guy for the job.
FAX

We haven't reached this point, yet?

Year 1: Injured in training camp.
Year 2: Lost job to Huard in camp, injured when inserted as the starter. Never won a game.
Year 3: Injured 27 seconds into game 1.

Perhaps I'm being too negative, but I don't need to see the next injury.

MahiMike
10-01-2008, 08:24 PM
I can understand why, because he wants to keep his job and he thinks starting Huard will get him a few more wins.

Exactly. If it were up to Herm, he'd win 6 games/year as long as Carl lets him stay. Mixing in the good QB w/the so-so rookie trys to keep everyone happy. Mostly Herm.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 08:25 PM
You guys are more retarded than I thought if you REALLY believe Herm is going to start Huard just to save his job. Not happening.

kc1977
10-01-2008, 08:27 PM
The QB of the future is clearly not on the team at this point. So, there is no reason to not start the QB who gives you the best chance to win, which is clearly Huard.

Case closed.

Big Chief Homer
10-01-2008, 08:31 PM
Maybe they made up their mind on Croyle already.

I was thinking the same thing. especially if the inquiring about Brady Quinn rumor was true.

crispystl420
10-01-2008, 08:33 PM
It's a key part of the offensive attack. We're limited when Huard is out there.

I don't have the stats but it would be interesting to see what our 3rd down completion percentage is between the two. It seems like we convert a lot more 3rd downs with huard could just be my imagination though.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 08:35 PM
I don't have the stats but it would be interesting to see what our 3rd down completion percentage is between the two. It seems like we convert a lot more 3rd downs with huard could just be my imagination though.

It's really quite irrelevant at the moment. Brodie has only thrown 19 passes this season. I'm basing my opinion mostly on what I saw in training camp. There is no way this offense is better with Huard out there. Brodie opens up sections of the playbook they don't even consider with Huard under center.

DeezNutz
10-01-2008, 08:37 PM
It's really quite irrelevant at the moment. Brodie has only thrown 19 passes this season. I'm basing my opinion mostly on what I saw in training camp. There is no way this offense is better with Huard out there. Brodie opens up sections of the playbook they don't even consider with Huard under center.

Do these sections involve throwing passes for a TD? This was a shortcoming in his game in the preseason. Aside from this, Croyle was dominant.

crispystl420
10-01-2008, 08:45 PM
It's really quite irrelevant at the moment. Brodie has only thrown 19 passes this season. I'm basing my opinion mostly on what I saw in training camp. There is no way this offense is better with Huard out there. Brodie opens up sections of the playbook they don't even consider with Huard under center.

I wasn't dogging you. I was just wondering if anyone had the stats between the two this year and last??

Sure-Oz
10-01-2008, 08:47 PM
I hope Croyle starts and they throw DOWNFIELD atleast 10 yard routes...

Guru
10-01-2008, 08:50 PM
I like Croyle.

I'm done with Croyle. Time for a new direction. He is too easily broken.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 08:51 PM
I wasn't dogging you. I was just wondering if anyone had the stats between the two this year and last??

There's no question Huard was the better quarterback last year. But that was last year. I don't see how it has any relevance.

Sure-Oz
10-01-2008, 08:56 PM
No reason to play Huard, he is a backup period. We need to let Croyle play it out, if he sucks then release him!

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2008, 09:01 PM
It's really quite irrelevant at the moment. Brodie has only thrown 19 passes this season. I'm basing my opinion mostly on what I saw in training camp. There is no way this offense is better with Huard out there. Brodie opens up sections of the playbook they don't even consider with Huard under center.

I think you're speculating.

IF Huard continues to play well and lead the Chiefs to victory, I think they'll be slow to bring Croyle back on the field.

If Huard struggles, Croyle's back in until he's injured again.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 09:05 PM
IF Huard continues to play well and lead the Chiefs to victory, I think they'll be slow to bring Croyle back on the field.


I don't know why. Herm is totally committed to finding a young quarterback. They have to put Croyle out there and see if he's the guy. They're probably gonna be 1-4 anyway, so why not put Croyle in after the bye?

old_geezer
10-01-2008, 09:05 PM
You guys are more retarded than I thought if you REALLY believe Herm is going to start Huard just to save his job. Not happening.


Herm would throw his mother under the bus to save his job. He's already thrown everybody else under; he's running out of bodies.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 09:05 PM
Herm would throw his mother under the bus to save his job. He's already thrown everybody else under; he's running out of bodies.

:rolleyes:

CoMoChief
10-01-2008, 09:12 PM
Don't you realize the playbook is limited when Huard is under center? The Chiefs can't run bootlegs or much of anything that calls for a moving quarterback. The Chiefs' deep game is severely limited because Huard can't make the throws Croyle can.

Judging by the way people are suddenly sucking off Huard after a 160-yard game, they're going to be SHOCKED when Croyle comes back. It's almost as if people think Croyle and Thigpen are the same player. WTF?

Im still waiting to see what these bootlegs do for this offense, so far, it hasn't done shit.

And how the **** do you know the playbook is limited???? dumbass

CoMoChief
10-01-2008, 09:13 PM
I don't know why. Herm is totally committed to finding a young quarterback. They have to put Croyle out there and see if he's the guy. They're probably gonna be 1-4 anyway, so why not put Croyle in after the bye?

This team has proved it can compete with a lot of teams when Huard starts.

This is mainly the reason why we made the playoffs in 06

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 09:14 PM
Im still waiting to see what these bootlegs do for this offense, so far, it hasn't done shit.

And how the **** do you know the playbook is limited???? dumbass

Uh, it's fairly straightforward.

Huard is immobile.

Croyle is mobile.

When Croyle is in the game, they can do more. Duh?

Chieftain58
10-01-2008, 09:17 PM
if we do stick with Huard then we might as well just cut every QB on the roster at teh end of the year because they are worthless to us going forward.

I think thats what is going to happen. depending on our record we will pick a QB in the first round.

CoMoChief
10-01-2008, 09:20 PM
Uh, it's fairly straightforward.

Huard is immobile.

Croyle is mobile.

When Croyle is in the game, they can do more. Duh?

And I'm still waiting to see what these 4 yd naked bootlegs will do for this offense. Based on what I've seen in preseason and against NE, this bootleg offense hasnt been effective.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 09:27 PM
And I'm still waiting to see what these 4 yd naked bootlegs will do for this offense. Based on what I've seen in preseason and against NE, this bootleg offense hasnt been effective.

Who said anything about naked bootlegs?

I'm talking about Brodie Croyle slinging the ball down the field for a first down after carrying out a play fake.

With the way the running game is picking up the bootleg could be a very effective play.

Stinger
10-01-2008, 09:27 PM
Try looking at from a different perspective not wins and losses bet which QB gives our young players the best opportunity to show themselves. This is why the Thiggy experiment pissed me off. As of right now I am leaning toward Huard in that scenario right now, jury is still out. Croyle still has not got me sold yet that he can be competent or stay on the field long enough for this to happen.

Zouk
10-01-2008, 09:32 PM
Croyle is starting when he's healthy. Period. In fact, he still gives the Chiefs the best chance to win.

It's obvious that Croyle's going to start against Tennessee and Herm has said that clearly in the past. In watching the press conference, it almost feels like Herm is playing a joke on the press. I have no idea why he get such pleasure about putting these things out there to create controversy but it's stupid and it gets him in trouble.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 09:36 PM
It's obvious that Croyle's going to start against Tennessee and Herm has said that clearly in the past. In watching the press conference, it almost feels like Herm is playing a joke on the press. I have no idea why he get such pleasure about putting these things out there to create controversy but it's stupid and it gets him in trouble.

LOL...I can see Carl marching into Herm's office right now and yelling at him.

"HERM WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE POSTING ON CHIEFSPLANET NOW! DAMMIT, HERM!"

Coach
10-01-2008, 09:39 PM
Who said anything about naked bootlegs?

I'm talking about Brodie Croyle slinging the ball down the field for a first down after carrying out a play fake.

With the way the running game is picking up the bootleg could be a very effective play.

Problem is, they never opened the playbook aganist New England, when it was obvious that the Chiefs needed to go deep, becuase New England's defense weakness is the secondary.

Only one time in the whole f**king football game, the Chiefs threw more than 15 yards while Brokie Croyle was under center.

the Talking Can
10-01-2008, 09:41 PM
Herm is a ****ing coward an ignorant pussy

we set back our rebuild, and Croyle's development for a year in order go 4-12 with damon huard

now, we're scrapping croyle after 1 game, for what? to win 3 games with a shit sucking career backup who has nothing to do with the future of our team....

why did we draft croyle, or why draft any young qb? why are we rebuilding if we have no intention of playing and grooming young QBs?

this is such a True Fan, Carl, Win Now, 8-8 move...more of the same

anything to appease our pussy fans...our ignorant cock sucking loser fans....

we deserve to be 8-8, forever...

we're scrapping our rebuild for Damon Huard....think about that

Tribal Warfare
10-01-2008, 09:42 PM
LOL...I can see Carl marching into Herm's office right now and yelling at him.

"HERM WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE POSTING ON CHIEFSPLANET NOW! DAMMIT, HERM!"

it did look like Herm was jokin around about that Huard starting comment from the KCStar video.

Chiefnj2
10-01-2008, 09:42 PM
When Croyle is in the game, they can do more. Duh?

Except score.

DaneMcCloud
10-01-2008, 09:45 PM
we set back our rebuild, and Croyle's development for a year in order go 4-12 with damon huard

we're scrapping our rebuild for Damon Huard....think about that

You're a ****ing idiot.

Please explain to me and everyone else how the Chiefs are "scrapping the rebuild" by playing Huard, when there are

10 ROOKIES CONTRIBUTING AND STARTING FOR THE CHIEFS.


I'll be anxiously awaiting your stupid response.

Demonpenz
10-01-2008, 09:46 PM
I am not excited to see croyle back at all. He hasn't done anything. Huard atleast gets decent reads and if he has protection...looks like he knows what he is doing. I hope croyle proves me wrong. Next year get a qb or a veteran qb (if the best player available isn't a qb)

BIG K
10-01-2008, 09:47 PM
Isn't there an old school rule, you don't lose your job to injury?



What if the Chief's organization decided to go against said 'rule' in 1997 when Gannon was leading a KC powerhouse and was then benched in favor of the QB of the future when he became healthy?

True, Croyle has all the tools to be a great QB. Unfortunately, Huard is the only one who seems capable of posting a winning start. Neither seem to be the long term answer but, the proof is there thus far, that Huard can win...Something that has eluded Croyle..

Herm says 'you play to win the game'..... Seems pretty clear what should be done..

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 09:48 PM
I love this place. We're bitching about playing Huard the rest of the year when we haven't even played THE FIFTH GAME YET.

****ing morons.

Demonpenz
10-01-2008, 09:50 PM
I love this place. We're bitching about playing Huard the rest of the year when we haven't even played THE FIFTH GAME YET.

****ing morons.

How bad did we beat the raiders? You can get off that soapbox now.

Count Alex's Losses
10-01-2008, 09:54 PM
How bad did we beat the raiders? You can get off that soapbox now.

We would have destroyed the Raiders if Huard had played the entire game. It would not have been close.

Sure-Oz
10-01-2008, 10:16 PM
What if the Chief's organization decided to go against said 'rule' in 1997 when Gannon was leading a KC powerhouse and was then benched in favor of the QB of the future when he became healthy?

True, Croyle has all the tools to be a great QB. Unfortunately, Huard is the only one who seems capable of posting a winning start. Neither seem to be the long term answer but, the proof is there thus far, that Huard can win...Something that has eluded Croyle..

Herm says 'you play to win the game'..... Seems pretty clear what should be done..

May as well release Croyle now then....why not use the rest of the year to determine if Croyle can grow with more games? That just wouldn't be fair, since we are not going to win enough to get in the playoffs, we may as well see what croyle can do. Let the guy go out there and just ****ing play, period. It seems like they have handcuffed him since he's been here. Hell Flacco is out there attempting long passes.

Swazey
10-01-2008, 10:28 PM
Herm is a ****ing coward an ignorant pussy

we set back our rebuild, and Croyle's development for a year in order go 4-12 with damon huard

now, we're scrapping croyle after 1 game, for what? to win 3 games with a shit sucking career backup who has nothing to do with the future of our team....

why did we draft croyle, or why draft any young qb? why are we rebuilding if we have no intention of playing and grooming young QBs?

this is such a True Fan, Carl, Win Now, 8-8 move...more of the same

anything to appease our pussy fans...our ignorant cock sucking loser fans....

we deserve to be 8-8, forever...

we're scrapping our rebuild for Damon Huard....think about that

What are you talking about? Croyle's gonna start when healthy... And I don't care right now who plays QB as long as we win with these rookies. Winning is incredibly healthy for their development.

aturnis
10-01-2008, 10:54 PM
I think Herm's ambiguity on the subject are just to give Damon the impression that if he plays well, and leads the team to victory, he may continue to start.

ArrowheadHawk
10-01-2008, 10:55 PM
I think Herm's ambiguity on the subject are just to give Damon the impression that if he plays well, and leads the team to victory, he may continue to start.:D

boogblaster
10-01-2008, 11:19 PM
We need a QB .. I don't think Croyle can stay healthy in this league .. Huard is a good back-up but old .. the rest is filler ...

Guru
10-01-2008, 11:24 PM
You're a ****ing idiot.

Please explain to me and everyone else how the Chiefs are "scrapping the rebuild" by playing Huard, when there are

10 ROOKIES CONTRIBUTING AND STARTING FOR THE CHIEFS.


I'll be anxiously awaiting your stupid response.:clap:

Otter
10-01-2008, 11:46 PM
While I wouldn't call benching Brodie in favor of a guy who's most likely only going to play for two more years "scrapping the rebuild" I would call it "extremely stupid" unless they're giving up on Brodie all together as a starter.

If Brodie can't stay healthy, plain sucks or is the next coming of Joe Montana there is no better time to find out than this season. Do you really want to go into next season on with no more knowledge of what he can do than what we came into this one?

That's an exercise in futility in a time when we're supposed to be building. If they bench him for Huard in order to go 5-11 they better at least have the balls to scrap the Brodie QBOTF experiment all together because starting the experiment from scratch again next season would be "extremely stupid" when we can find out now and address the needs or lack there of in the off season.

Guru
10-01-2008, 11:49 PM
While I wouldn't call benching Brodie in favor of a guy who's most likely only going to play for two more years "scrapping the rebuild" I would call it "extremely stupid" unless they're giving up on Brodie all together as a starter.

If Brodie can't stay healthy, plain sucks or is the next coming of Joe Montana there is no better time to find out than this season. Do you really want to go into next season on with no more knowledge of what he can do than what we came into this one?

That's an exercise in futility in a time when we're supposed to be building. If they bench him for Huard in order to go 5-11 they better at least have the balls to scrap the Brodie experiment because starting it again next season would be "extremely stupid".

That is how I am looking at it. The experiment with croyle is over in that he can't stay healthy.

RustShack
10-02-2008, 01:00 AM
I think things would have been different the first week if so many players on offense weren't new of shuffled around learning a new playbook from a new OC. On top of that we were facing New England. I think Croyle might get the job back.. he could have more success since the line seems to be gelling and the running game is starting to get going again..

JuicesFlowing
10-02-2008, 02:55 AM
Yep, he has to show improvment in the wins area. If he doesnt, he's gone. He's fighting for his job right now.

If that were the case, he wouldn't have started Thigpen against a bad Atlanta team.

Chiefs Pantalones
10-02-2008, 03:15 AM
Brodie Croyle-QB-Chiefs Oct. 1 - 4:40 pm et

Chiefs coach Herm Edwards wouldn't commit Wednesday to Brodie Croyle retaking his starting job when he returns from a separated throwing shoulder.
"We'll talk about that when Brodie comes back," Edwards said, nodding his head repeatedly like it was a bad question. If KC was committed to winning this year, Damon Huard would likely continue to start, but that isn't the case. per rw

I just saw this on tv, and it looks like herm is waffling big time, and kept as it describes above, shaking off the question. It almost sounds like he would stick with Damon if he continues to play decent.

Croyle should be starting if he is healthy enough to play, period. He wouldn't say it's Croyle's job

The reason this is the case is because Herm knows Croyle won't do shit in the game. He has seen enough, the fans have seen enough, to know that Croyle isn't the guy and will never be the guy. Next year we'll try and get "that guy."

BigRedChief
10-02-2008, 07:13 AM
The reason this is the case is because Herm knows Croyle won't do shit in the game. He has seen enough, the fans have seen enough, to know that Croyle isn't the guy and will never be the guy. Next year we'll try and get "that guy."
Thats all fine and dandy if its true. We will never know that till the off season. Herm's not going to say that publically.

But if they haven't given up on him then they need to find out this year what they have. If they are still trying to find out next year that Brodie is the "real deal" then this year was a waste at QB. And that sets back the long term re-building for the sake a current win or two.

King_Chief_Fan
10-02-2008, 07:28 AM
I think things would have been different the first week if so many players on offense weren't new of shuffled around learning a new playbook from a new OC. On top of that we were facing New England. I think Croyle might get the job back.. he could have more success since the line seems to be gelling and the running game is starting to get going again..

we will know if the running game is back after the Chiefs play Carolina.
The Denver run D is the worst in the NFL and anyone can run on them. If LJ gets 100+ yards that will be fantastic against a team that has not allowed Tomlinson or Turner near 100 yards. Croyle's reins are a lot tighter since he doesn't appear to know how to manage or win a game. I only look for Croyle to be the starter if the losing streak starts and continues. I don't look for Croyle until about the 8th game and it will be because the Chiefs are losing and it will be the final attempt to see "where he is at".
I didn't see any new plays for anyone to learn the first 3 weeks. What I saw was Solari part 2 because Herm tells the OC what to run.

Tuckdaddy
10-02-2008, 07:55 AM
He's just evading the question because he has to start Huard this week. If Brodie is healed up then he's the starter. It does no good for the furture to start Huard. Maybe Brodie is to brittle for the NFL, and he'll probably get hurt again but Herm will have to start him to know that.

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2008, 07:58 AM
Dane McCloud made the post of the thread...

8-8 this year is different than 8-8 a few years ago...

If we were 8-8 this year with Huard, that's unbelievably great news for this franchise...

Chiefs=Good
10-02-2008, 08:15 AM
Dane McCloud made the post of the thread...

8-8 this year is different than 8-8 a few years ago...

If we were 8-8 this year with Huard, that's unbelievably great news for this franchise...

Yer this thread ended with that post...

Chiefs=Good
10-02-2008, 08:23 AM
Dane McCloud made the post of the thread...

8-8 this year is different than 8-8 a few years ago...

If we were 8-8 this year with Huard, that's unbelievably great news for this franchise...

Yer this thread ended with that post...

FAX
10-02-2008, 08:37 AM
This is a tough question for ol' Herm. It all depends, I suppose, on what you think is more important; Winning games or determining once and for all if Croyle has what it takes.

On the one hand, winning helps the young players build morale and confidence. On the other hand, we're going nowhere with Huard because he isn't going to be here much longer. Plus, it won't be long before he's either hurt again or takes himself out of another game.

I say you have to start Croyle. We really need to find out if he can play at this level without getting injured. Otherwise, the franchise doesn't know whether to deal for another, young quarterback or spend a high pick on one. And, like any organization, the Chiefs have limited resources. Better to know as soon as possible if Croyle has a future here.

FAX

TrickyNicky
10-02-2008, 09:48 AM
Hypothetical: Lets say Brodie comes back and does well enough and stays healthy. Do you still draft a QB in the later rounds as insurance?

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2008, 09:50 AM
Hypothetical: Lets say Brodie comes back and does well enough and stays healthy. Do you still draft a QB in the later rounds as insurance?

I'd still draft a QB in the early rounds...

The Packers showed having a QB in the rough doesn't hurt anything...

If Croyle comes back and plays out of his mind...90+ QB rating stays healthy for 9 straight games...I still take a QB in the 1st or 2nd round...a good insurance policy never hurt anything (see Larry Johnson).

Brock
10-02-2008, 09:58 AM
Hypothetical: Lets say Brodie comes back and does well enough and stays healthy. Do you still draft a QB in the later rounds as insurance?

You can't go into next season depending on Croyle.

TrickyNicky
10-02-2008, 10:00 AM
So if he has say, 60% 12 TDs 6 INTs and wins 3 or 4 out of 9 games, you draft another where?

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2008, 10:04 AM
So if he has say, 60% 12 TDs 6 INTs and wins 3 or 4 out of 9 games, you draft another where?

1st or 2nd round

FAX
10-02-2008, 11:21 AM
You can't go into next season depending on Croyle.

That's the problem at this point. Croyle's health history has become extremely discomforting.

In fact, if he's injured again (for whatever reason), you have to think about his relative value in a roster spot. He might be willing to serve in a backup role - then again, he might not. It's a damned shame, too. He really has the physical tools.

Then again, you never know. I think about guys like Trent Green, for example. There was a time when peeps thought his knee would prevent him from ever starting somewhere again. Then, he came back to lead one of the most potent offenses in the modern era.

FAX

ChiefGator
10-02-2008, 11:37 AM
It's obvious that Croyle's going to start against Tennessee and Herm has said that clearly in the past. In watching the press conference, it almost feels like Herm is playing a joke on the press. I have no idea why he get such pleasure about putting these things out there to create controversy but it's stupid and it gets him in trouble.

I think he just didn't want Huard to hear that he is gonna be yanked after this game. And there was no reason to say that yet. Huard is our starting QB this week. I think he just wanted to leave it at that. He's played around like that before just saying he didn't have to decide that yet. But I think he was also having a little fun at the reporters (and ours now) expense.

mrbiggz
10-02-2008, 11:38 AM
He will get another chance but the problem is we know how this is going to turn out.

Prediction: Croyle comes back in the next 2-4 games and will get injured again sometime shortly thereafter causing him to miss significant time.

It's not entirely his fault though since Herm won't let him throw the ball more than 10 yards. This makes our offense so easy to defend that that Brodie is doomed to fail.

Chief_in_Commander
10-02-2008, 11:44 AM
With Huard at the helm does anyone with any football sense really see us competing for a WC?.....No. So the real question is do you value getting all of your other rookies and young players experience in competitive games with the rare win over figuring out if Brodie is the guy? I say Brodie healthy doesn't make us much worse at ALL if any so you HAVE to play Brodie. Even if he is slightly less, the offense will still be ran decently and we can still be competitive (see NE game) with him at the helm so you do it to see if he's QBOTF.

RINGLEADER
10-02-2008, 11:45 AM
If you're writing this season off you should start Croyle. If you want to compete this season you should start Huard. Not that complicated a decision.

Chief_in_Commander
10-02-2008, 11:59 AM
If you're writing this season off you should start Croyle. If you want to compete this season you should start Huard. Not that complicated a decision.

I think he showed at NE you can compete with Brodie, I think they were writing this season off before they made a decision to start Brodie.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2008, 12:13 PM
Here's the bottom line:

The Chiefs at 0-3 soundly beat a 3-0 team. I don't care if Denver's defense is "suspect", they were 3-0 and beat San Diego, Oakland and New Orleans.

The Chiefs beat the Broncos in every phase of the game. Defense, Special Teams and Offense. The Chiefs had more than 10 rookies contributing and many second year players as well (Taylor, Tank, Turk). This is HUGE. And they did it behind Damon Huard.

I don't think anyone here thinks Huard is a great QB. Hell, I don't think anyone here thinks Huard is a good QB. But he's relatively healthy and seems to have the respect of the huddle. Croyle can't stay healthy, doesn't seem to have the same effect on the huddle and just doesn't appear to be a starting QB in the NFL at this point in his career.

The Chiefs need to take a QB in the first round of the 2009 draft. Period. I don't care if they trade up, trade back, whatever. They NEED a first round talented QB. They should absolutely keep Croyle. He may be a late bloomer (Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner, etc.) and he's under contract. There's no reason why he shouldn't stick around and continue to develop.

But if Huard is playing well in 2008 and the Chiefs are winning or are staying very close, there's no reason to throw Croyle back into the fire. He's been unable to stay healthy and continuity is far more important to a young team. And this IS a young team.

Just imagine what it will be like NEXT year when all of these rookies that have played so well have one season under their belts, the current 2nd year players are in their third year and there's a new batch of rookies pushing to start.

Hate Herm, hate Huard, hate the coaches, etc. There's NO denying that this franchise is absolutely headed in the right direction.

Sunday's game against Denver proved it. If even for just a week.

el borracho
10-02-2008, 12:44 PM
Croyle will start against Tenn. and thereafter as long as he is healthy. Of course, I don't expect him to stay healthy all season (does anyone?). In any case, we have no choice but to draft a QB early next April because I don't believe we can count on Croyle, talent or no.

FAX
10-02-2008, 01:12 PM
It's funny to see what one win will do for the mood on ChiefsPlanet. It's true that one can make the argument that the team is headed in the right direction. We were last Sunday, that's for sure. Still, a young team is going to look good one week and absolutely horrible the next. It's fair to say that inconsistency is the only consistent attribute of a squad that's this inexperienced. And, that makes the quarterback decision even more convoluted. Does Downfield provide more consistency at a key position? Does his play help the other skill players develop faster? If so, why even consider starting Thiggy in Atlanta?

At this point, I would pay money to find out what modifications (if any) the coaches make to the game plan or in-game playcalling when Downfield is in the game as compared to Croyle. I know they have to forget about the boots and rollouts, but (although I can't prove it) it seems as though they allow Downfield to fling that dang rock a little more often and a little further. Not to mention the fact that they let him curl up in a little ball a ton more. Are these situational reads or calls or is Downfield simply more willing to take the risk whereas Croyle has been taught differently?

If so, I have to wonder what their overall approach to the quarterback position really is. I know they want to win as quickly as possible, but they can't do that if they don't get the ball downfield once in awhile. That, of course, depends on the run game, the pass protection, the WR routes and their ability to get open, timing with the receivers, etc. Were they waiting for the o-line to prove they can pass-protect? Were they waiting for the run game to develop? Were they waiting for Croyle to demonstrate he could handle the little stuff before cutting him loose? Were they simply a'skeered that Croyle would turn it over?

We may be heading in the right direction but, so far as the quarterback position is concerned, that direction doesn't seem to be very clear.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2008, 01:23 PM
We may be heading in the right direction but, so far as the quarterback position is concerned, that direction doesn't seem to be very clear.

FAX

It rarely IS clear in the NFL, until a guy steps up and takes the job.

In KC, the QB only has the job by default, usually injury.

It's extremely important for the young players to continue to play and grow together, regardless of the QB situation in 2008.

Zouk
10-02-2008, 02:12 PM
The Chiefs need to take a QB in the first round of the 2009 draft. Period.

I don't agree with this yet. I want to see what Croyle does the rest of the year. And we know teams get in trouble when they make themselves believe that certain players are franchise QBs just because they need one.

the Talking Can
10-02-2008, 02:14 PM
You're a ****ing idiot.

Please explain to me and everyone else how the Chiefs are "scrapping the rebuild" by playing Huard, when there are

10 ROOKIES CONTRIBUTING AND STARTING FOR THE CHIEFS.


I'll be anxiously awaiting your stupid response.

Here's the template for Dane's every post:

[ curse words]

[CAPS LOCK ON typing]

[repeat]


and a no nothing dunce like you is complaining about someone being angry?

that's your ENTIRE shtick...you pot-calling-itself-a-dumbass dumbass

we set back our rebuild an evaluation of croyle for a year...for Huard...fact

True Fans - ahem...you - we glad we did so

Now, we're contemplating scrapping the playing time of our draft pick, our young qb, the guy HERM said was the QBOTF, the guy HERM spent all off season and preseason coaching and designing the offense around...THAT guy...we're just going to scrap it all to play a shitty career backup with no future anywhere in the NFL....all to get what, 3-5 wins? and ensure we can't draft an actual QB like Stafford next year...

and you cock smoking True Fans love it...this franchise saying "**** it" to the QB position and playing Damon Huard is the equivalent of 2 Girls 1 Cup and our fans want more...

so continue with post 12,003 in the style of [curse words] [ CAPS LOCK ON] [wheee]

you're still just a tard

Brock
10-02-2008, 02:30 PM
Here's the template for Dane's every post:

[ curse words]

[CAPS LOCK ON typing]

[repeat]

You left out:

****.

JFC.

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2008, 02:35 PM
Here's the template for Dane's every post:

[ curse words]

[CAPS LOCK ON typing]

[repeat]


and a no nothing dunce like you is complaining about someone being angry?

that's your ENTIRE shtick...you pot-calling-itself-a-dumbass dumbass

we set back our rebuild an evaluation of croyle for a year...for Huard...fact

True Fans - ahem...you - we glad we did so

Now, we're contemplating scrapping the playing time of our draft pick, our young qb, the guy HERM said was the QBOTF, the guy HERM spent all off season and preseason coaching and designing the offense around...THAT guy...we're just going to scrap it all to play a shitty career backup with no future anywhere in the NFL....all to get what, 3-5 wins? and ensure we can't draft an actual QB like Stafford next year...

and you cock smoking True Fans love it...this franchise saying "**** it" to the QB position and playing Damon Huard is the equivalent of 2 Girls 1 Cup and our fans want more...

so continue with post 12,003 in the style of [curse words] [ CAPS LOCK ON] [wheee]

you're still just a tard

you don't need a template...all you do is bash Huard...I bet you wanted Thigpen to start over Huard, too!

You are a ****ing moron...I'll agree with Dane there...even if he is an asshole.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2008, 03:09 PM
You left out:

****.

JFC.

This is the Expletive Planet now.

Just trying to conform.

:D

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2008, 03:10 PM
we set back our rebuild an evaluation of croyle for a year...for Huard...fact


Prove it.

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2008, 03:10 PM
You are a ****ing moron...I'll agree with Dane there...even if he is an asshole.

Thanks.

I think.

:evil:

Chiefnj2
10-02-2008, 03:15 PM
By playing Huard the team accelarated the rebuild of every position except QB.

By playing Thigpen you accelerated the process of declaring him a bust and hurt the development of the rest of the team.

By playing Croyle you accelerate the conclusion that he can't stay healthy and hurt the development of the rest of the team.

smittysbar
10-02-2008, 03:17 PM
Everyone one said that they would give Croyle this season and see what he shows. He was injured, but looked okay until then. When he comes back he HAS to be the starter, so the team can see if he "has it". If not we know what we need. If he gets hurt again I would say move on. But either way he needs the field for the rebuilding to continue.

To all of those that say Huard is the better QB don't know shit. Watched them both in TC and there is no comparison. Even with the rainbow passes he still isn't as accurate...baffling

DaneMcCloud
10-02-2008, 03:22 PM
To all of those that say Huard is the better QB don't know shit. Watched them both in TC and there is no comparison. Even with the rainbow passes he still isn't as accurate...baffling

Better QB? ROFL

More athletic? Yes.

Younger? Yes.

Better QB at this stage? No.

King_Chief_Fan
10-02-2008, 03:23 PM
It's funny to see what one win will do for the mood on ChiefsPlanet. It's true that one can make the argument that the team is headed in the right direction. We were last Sunday, that's for sure. Still, a young team is going to look good one week and absolutely horrible the next. It's fair to say that inconsistency is the only consistent attribute of a squad that's this inexperienced. And, that makes the quarterback decision even more convoluted. Does Downfield provide more consistency at a key position? Does his play help the other skill players develop faster? If so, why even consider starting Thiggy in Atlanta?

At this point, I would pay money to find out what modifications (if any) the coaches make to the game plan or in-game playcalling when Downfield is in the game as compared to Croyle. I know they have to forget about the boots and rollouts, but (although I can't prove it) it seems as though they allow Downfield to fling that dang rock a little more often and a little further. Not to mention the fact that they let him curl up in a little ball a ton more. Are these situational reads or calls or is Downfield simply more willing to take the risk whereas Croyle has been taught differently?

If so, I have to wonder what their overall approach to the quarterback position really is. I know they want to win as quickly as possible, but they can't do that if they don't get the ball downfield once in awhile. That, of course, depends on the run game, the pass protection, the WR routes and their ability to get open, timing with the receivers, etc. Were they waiting for the o-line to prove they can pass-protect? Were they waiting for the run game to develop? Were they waiting for Croyle to demonstrate he could handle the little stuff before cutting him loose? Were they simply a'skeered that Croyle would turn it over?

We may be heading in the right direction but, so far as the quarterback position is concerned, that direction doesn't seem to be very clear.

FAX
My uninformed opinion on why down field with Huard and not Croyle could boil down to 1) Croyle still hasn't adjusted to the speed of the NFL (especially with a weak O line) 2) Huard does a better job of audibles at the line 3) Herm is still trying to protect Croyle and has him on a tight leash due to his inexperience 4) Croyle has demonstrated that he is not what Herm thought he was.

That is all I got.

RustShack
10-02-2008, 03:24 PM
I'm willing to give Croyle one last shot.

King_Chief_Fan
10-02-2008, 03:32 PM
Now, we're contemplating scrapping the playing time of our draft pick, our young qb, the guy HERM said was the QBOTF, the guy HERM spent all off season and preseason coaching and designing the offense around...THAT guy...we're just going to scrap it all to play a shitty career backup with no future anywhere in the NFL....all to get what, 3-5 wins? and ensure we can't draft an actual QB like Stafford next year...


Can - the truth is that through all the design, pampering, coaching and trying to will Croyle to be the QBOTF was not done to Croyles strengths.
They took a down field passer with some weapons and lots of protection (in college) to a neutered, dumbed down, don't pass until we get behind, run the shit out of the ball offense. Unfortunately, that is better suited to Huard's style. He does it much better than Croyle.
I think you can assume that QB development, past, present and probably future is something this team has never been good at. Until there is a change in leadership and a different coach with a different idea on how to use a QB comes along, we are hosed as a team.

smittysbar
10-02-2008, 03:38 PM
Better QB? ROFL

More athletic? Yes.

Younger? Yes.

Better QB at this stage? No.

Croyle is better. Huard does okay when we are running good (something Brodie has never had)

LJ had more yards than our starting QB last week. LJ has made this clown look decent. For Christ sakes he handed he ball to LJ a NFL record setting amount of times.

Frazod
10-02-2008, 03:41 PM
I'm willing to give Croyle one last shot.

It doesn't matter. I think it's pretty clear at this point that Brokie's not the answer.

KC Tattoo
10-02-2008, 04:47 PM
I am going to continue to root for Brodie Croyle. Hopefully he comes back and does well and shows that he can handle the rest of the season and we don't have to see Huard any more. If Brodie gets hurt again I assume then he will be done in the NFL.

KC Tattoo
10-02-2008, 04:49 PM
Even if Brodie comes on strong and shows the rightstuff to be our QBOTF I still want us to draft a QB next year to upgrade the posision and not worry bout it.

beach tribe
10-02-2008, 04:58 PM
Even if Brodie comes on strong and shows the rightstuff to be our QBOTF I still want us to draft a QB next year to upgrade the posision and not worry bout it.

Ditto, but I'd like Croyle to be our #2 guy, and play while our new prospect prepares for half the 09 season.

Unless it's Stafford. I would like Matty to start from day 1.

FAX
10-02-2008, 04:59 PM
Can - the truth is that through all the design, pampering, coaching and trying to will Croyle to be the QBOTF was not done to Croyles strengths.
They took a down field passer with some weapons and lots of protection (in college) to a neutered, dumbed down, don't pass until we get behind, run the shit out of the ball offense. Unfortunately, that is better suited to Huard's style. He does it much better than Croyle.
I think you can assume that QB development, past, present and probably future is something this team has never been good at. Until there is a change in leadership and a different coach with a different idea on how to use a QB comes along, we are hosed as a team.

I think that's a pretty good take, Mr. King_Chief_Fan. Except for the part about Croyle having "lots of protection" in college. Just so you know, he played behind a terrible offensive line at Bama. Just horrible. That's why I'm a tad confounded about the "Brokie" stuff. He took some terrific shots in college and kept ticking.

FAX

the Talking Can
10-05-2008, 01:52 PM
Wow, you true fans were right:

Huard can lead us to 8 wins
Huard gives us the best chance to win
At least Huard can move the offense
The team plays harder when Huard is in
Huard will teach the young guys


You True Fans are the smartest bunch.

Like awesomely brilliant even.

Huard
4-11
33 yards
2 turnovers
0 points
0 heart
0 pride
1 ball thrown out of bounds
1 ball thrown into the dirt
3 tipped balls

the Talking Can
10-05-2008, 02:07 PM
Wow, you true fans were right:

Huard can lead us to 8 wins
Huard gives us the best chance to win
At least Huard can move the offense
The team plays harder when Huard is in
Huard will teach the young guys


You True Fans are the smartest bunch.

Like awesomely brilliant even.

Huard
4-11
33 yards
2 turnovers
0 points
0 heart
0 pride
1 ball thrown out of bounds
1 ball thrown into the dirt
3 tipped balls

update

Huard throws another int

3 turnovers by Damon Huard today

Chiefs Pantalones
10-05-2008, 02:12 PM
Croyle doesn't deserve a another shot, neither does Huard and neither does Thigpen. It's time to go franchise QB shopping in the offseason, obviously.

the Talking Can
10-05-2008, 02:42 PM
Huard benched, or quits

True Fans weep and pee

TrickyNicky
10-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Croyle may not deserve to be the future of the franchise, but he sure as hell deserves the rest of the season to see if he can be a reliable backup.

triple
10-05-2008, 03:05 PM
huard should never take another snap for this team

Cochise
08-10-2013, 12:00 PM
Croyle bandwagon in this one...

Setsuna
08-10-2013, 12:08 PM
Double banned

DaneMcCloud
08-10-2013, 12:17 PM
Here's the template for Dane's every post:

[ curse words]

[CAPS LOCK ON typing]

[repeat]


and a no nothing dunce like you is complaining about someone being angry?

that's your ENTIRE shtick...you pot-calling-itself-a-dumbass dumbass

we set back our rebuild an evaluation of croyle for a year...for Huard...fact

True Fans - ahem...you - we glad we did so

Now, we're contemplating scrapping the playing time of our draft pick, our young qb, the guy HERM said was the QBOTF, the guy HERM spent all off season and preseason coaching and designing the offense around...THAT guy...we're just going to scrap it all to play a shitty career backup with no future anywhere in the NFL....all to get what, 3-5 wins? and ensure we can't draft an actual QB like Stafford next year...

and you cock smoking True Fans love it...this franchise saying "**** it" to the QB position and playing Damon Huard is the equivalent of 2 Girls 1 Cup and our fans want more...

so continue with post 12,003 in the style of [curse words] [ CAPS LOCK ON] [wheee]

you're still just a tard

Oh, the irony

TEX
08-10-2013, 12:27 PM
Double banned

Lifetime ban please...

Cochise
08-10-2013, 02:47 PM
Double banned

Who are you?