View Full Version : Chiefs Losing your job to injury, Herb Taylor, Tony's record, etc.

Hammock Parties
10-01-2008, 08:03 PM

They say that a player isnít supposed to lose his job to injury, but after Sundayís game, three Chiefs probably should.

After Brandon Carr (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3724379)ís performance against one of the leagueís top receivers in Brandon Marshall (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3689950), thereís no reason for him to give up his starting spot when Patrick Surtain (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698875) returns. Granted, Marshall did beat Carr for a touchdown, but that was more because of a great throw from Jay Cutler (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3689930) than a bad play from Carr.

Likewise, Demorrio Williams (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3243092) should have worked his way into the starting lineup with his performance. Maybe Donnie Edwards (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698852) can play middle linebacker, but he didnít practice there at all during training camp. While Edwards was nearly invisible during the first three games, Williams was hard to miss once he got his opportunity against Denver.

Finally, thereís Dantrell Savage (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3049240), whose 51-yard kick return midway through the fourth quarter was a largely unsung factor in the Chiefsí first win of the season. While some compare B.J. Sams to last yearís failed experiment with Eddie Drummond, Sams hasnít been anywhere near that bad, but Savage seems far more capable of breaking big returns on a regular basis.

But with all that being said, the Chiefs deserve credit for a situation where they were patient and didnít make a change in the starting lineup.

Since his strong performance at left tackle in the preseason, fans and writers alike have been clamoring for Herb Taylor to replace Damion McIntosh (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698866) at right tackle. During a preseason edition of our WPI roundtable, I mentioned that keeping Taylor behind Branden Albert (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3542598) might be a wise move due to the possibility of lingering issues with Albertís foot.

The Chiefs did indeed keep Taylor as Albertís backup, presumably as a precaution. That decision paid off when Albert was injured Sunday. Taylor was able to come off the bench and fill in as if heíd been starting all along. <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/60/600035.jpg
With Branden Albert's injury, keeping Herb Taylor at left tackle looks smart.
Doug Benc </td></tr></tbody></table> Had the Chiefs moved Taylor to right tackle at some point over the last few weeks, itís doubtful the transition would have gone as smoothly. All this time, Taylor has been practicing at left tackle while McIntosh has been getting practice reps and game experience on the right. The other possibilities Ė a benched McIntosh stepping in at left tackle, or Taylor bouncing around after trying to adjust to the opposite side Ė arenít as pretty.

Quite obviously, the best players should be on the field, and itís difficult to argue Taylor isnít among KCís five best offensive linemen. But given Albertís injury troubles and the possibility of continued problems with his foot, I donít fault the Chiefs for wanting to make sure they had someone waiting behind him just in case. Albertís latest injury had nothing to do with his foot, of course, but heíll miss time just the same.

Albertís injury wonít be as costly as it could have been, because the Chiefs were committed to keeping a strong, steady backup behind him. Imagine if Dick Vermeil had invested in a quality backup for Willie Roaf (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2475254)?

There were few negatives after Sundayís game, but the situation with Tony Gonzalez (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3698854)ís quest for another record is glaring.

As you surely know, Gonzalez was unhappy that he finished Sundayís game just three yards short of setting a new mark for career receiving yards by a tight end. With the Chiefs playing on the road next week, that milestone will occur in Carolina instead of happening in front of the fans in Kansas City.

While his disappointment is understandable, I canít help thinking that there seems to be a misunderstanding factoring into this. Gonzalez was quoted in the Kansas City Star saying he thought the game was already ďout of reachĒ once he came within the three yards he needed to set the new record.

In truth, the game was nowhere close to being decided.

When Gonzalez caught his final pass of the afternoon, the Chiefs were ahead 23-16. Four plays after Gonzalezís last catch, Nick Novak (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3140251) kicked a field goal to put the Chiefs up 10.

But the Broncos put together a drive and added a field goal of their own, once again bringing the game within seven points. When the Chiefs started their final possession, the score was 26-19 with just over two minutes left to go. They ran only three plays on that drive, with a fourth wiped out by a holding penalty.

Just before Larry Johnson broke the 16-yard touchdown run that clinched the win, the Broncos called their second timeout and stopped the clock at 1:45. Had Denver somehow forced a turnover instead of letting Johnson run free, they would have had around 1:40 and a timeout to score a tying touchdown. Given that Mike Shanahan isnít afraid to go for a two-point conversion, it could have also been the game-winning score.

The point is the Chiefs were never out of the woods until Johnson scored that late touchdown. Everyone who watched those final minutes white-knuckled and on the edge of their seats as they prayed for the losing streak to end can attest to that. <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/54/540961.jpg
Don't worry Tony, you'll get that record yet.
Dilip Vishwanawat </td></tr></tbody></table> But judging by Gonzalezís words, it seems he thought the Chiefs were farther ahead than they really were. People have brought up Herm Edwardsí conservative nature, saying it wouldnít have killed the offense to throw a pass under the circumstances they were facing. But Gonzalez himself disagrees.

In the same Star article, he spoke of how people would be criticizing Edwards if a pass had been tipped and intercepted, an acknowledgement of the fact that you donít run that sort of play in a tight game when the team is trying to milk the clock and get the win. The only logical inference is that Gonzalez doesnít think the Chiefs were facing that situation, when, in fact, they were.

So for those saying Gonzalez was putting his own interests ahead of the team, it doesnít seem like he wanted them to do anything to put the impending victory at risk. It just sounds like he was mistaken about the game situation at the time. That surely added to his frustration, thinking the Chiefs already had the victory in hand, yet didnít throw to him.

Worse yet, Gonzalez made those comments to the media after meeting with the head coach. One can only assume that Edwards wasnít up on the game situation either, or he should have been able to put the issue to rest when they spoke.

Canít someone just tell these guys what the score was?

Want to know why the Chiefs really won on Sunday?

Sure, Larry Johnson ran for nearly 200 yards, and the defense did a great job of forcing turnovers. But Iím going to let you in on something. Have a look at these scores.

September 28, 2008: Chiefs 33, Broncos 19.
September 28, 2003: Chiefs 17, Ravens 10.
September 28, 1997: Chiefs 20, Seahawks 17.
September 28, 1992: Chiefs 27, Raiders 7.
September 28, 1986: Chiefs 20, Bills 17.
September 28, 1980: Chiefs 7, Chargers 24.

Those results represent every game the Chiefs have played on Sept. 28 since 1980. What, you might ask, is significant about September 28, 1980?

That happens to be the day I was born.

If only I could have arrived early enough for my positive mojo to help them that same day. Alas, it was not to be. But the loss just illustrates how things changed, how it was that date when the universe stood up after the game and said, ďthe Kansas City Chiefs will no longer lose on this day!Ē

Ever since Ė in other words, since Iíve been alive Ė the Chiefs have won every single game theyíve played on my birthday.

Boy, youíd think Carl Peterson would at least send me a card.

10-01-2008, 08:26 PM
Man. Nothing ever happens on my birthday.

10-01-2008, 08:33 PM
I still don't think it's smart to have the guy who looks like your 2nd best tackle as a backup....

10-01-2008, 08:35 PM
I still don't think it's smart to have the guy who looks like your 2nd best tackle as a backup....


10-01-2008, 08:51 PM
I still don't think it's smart to have the guy who looks like your 2nd best tackle as a backup....
Especially when you have had 2 QB's injured already.

10-01-2008, 09:01 PM
How long is Branden Albert out? I've been under a rock for a couple of days.

Hammock Parties
10-01-2008, 09:04 PM
How long is Branden Albert out? I've been under a rock for a couple of days.

He's out for this weekend's game for sure. Fortunately next week is our bye.

10-01-2008, 09:19 PM
I still don't think it's smart to have the guy who looks like your 2nd best tackle as a backup....

Though I am very glad Taylor has been able to step in at LT and not miss a beat, I am starting to lean toward the idea of him at RT. McTurd is terrible at RT and does not seem to be getting better.

If McTurd can do 'ok' as a LT backup, then I would be ok with Taylor moving to RT. My only concern would be with his development at the position. I mean, if he ends up sucking ass on the right, did we screw ourselves over twice by making the move?

T-post Tom
10-01-2008, 10:19 PM
Happy (belated) Birthday.

Hammock Parties
10-01-2008, 10:21 PM
Happy (belated) Birthday.

It's Michael Ash's birthday, not mine.

10-01-2008, 10:22 PM
Weren't there a few people in the game thread saying Sunday was their birthday? A popular birthdate, it seems.

10-01-2008, 10:37 PM
so how to we look on October 5th in the last 30 years?

10-01-2008, 10:43 PM
Man. Nothing ever happens on my birthday.

My ****ing birthday is April 15 :Lin:

10-01-2008, 10:43 PM
Every time I go to a game at Arrowhead, the QB gets injured:
2006 Trent Green
2008 Damon Huard

(I was supposed to be at the GB game last year and cancelled at the last moment. SO, just to spite me, LJ got hurt instead)

10-01-2008, 10:52 PM
I still don't think it's smart to have the guy who looks like your 2nd best tackle as a backup....

Its ****ing stupid to play the "what if" game, run the best god damn team out there JFC.