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T-post Tom
10-04-2008, 09:39 PM
Palin: Ohio Vets Are Unqualified to Vote
by MaxMarginal

Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 02:13:55 PM PDT

I get emails from McCain's Ohio arm to try to keep an eye on what they're doing there, since the state will probably decide the election, but happens to have a Republican party establishment that would purge every voter without a butler from the rolls if it the chance. This is what they sent out after the debate last night under Palin's name:

The Obama-Biden Democrats and their allies are exploiting loopholes in Ohio election laws that we fear may result in unqualified voters casting ballots.

The "loopholes in Ohio election laws" that Palin is talking about is a statute that is part of election laws all over America - that a vote is not technically cast until it is tabulated. Republican groups cited a rule that requires 30 days between registration and voting and sought to disqualify absentee ballots that were filled out on the same day as registration. Same-day registration and filling out of absentee ballots is the best option available to unregistered troops abroad and hospitalized vets in VA facilites. The "Obama-Biden Democrats and their allies" are non-partisan veterans advocacy groups like Veterans For America and IAVA that fought tooth and nail to defeat a lawsuit that challenged this very sensible notion to protect thousands of troops and vets from disenfranchisement.

With deployed troops donating 6:1 in favor of Obama, the cynic in me can see why the GOP doesn't want their votes to count. Then the decent person in me chimes in and says "I can't see how anyone could try to block a deployed soldier's right to vote and be able to live with themselves."

Despite Gov. Palin's strange relationship with colloquialism ("Hockey Moms across America", anyone? How many are there?), the use of the term "unqualified voters" in a country that generally lets citizens over the age of 18 vote is the kind of phrase that should've been phased out long before the word "email" was phased in. With regards to the only American citizens who don't get to vote, felons, that's left up to the states. In Ohio, felons are only disqualified from voting while incarcerated, and I'm pretty sure she isn't talking about prison visitors stuffing stacks of voter registration forms and absentee ballots into God-knows-where in the name of democracy, though that would be quite the heist.

That leaves the troops and hospitalized veterans. Nope, don't want those dangerously unqualified voters having a say in this election...

Watching John McCain attack our veterans has become the norm these past few years, with his status as a symbol for the American veteran merely a weird plot twist in his history; an unexplained asterisk standing next to his five-and-a-half hours on the Senate floor leading the fight against the dwell time amendment that would give our troops more time between tours and speaking out against the 21st Century GI Bill that would expand education benefits for our troops for the first time since the Senator himself used them to pay for college. Like a bizarro-world version of Mark Foley ruthlessly fighting pedophiles while being one himself, so goes McCain's inexplicable record on veterans issues.

But finally, he's put his mouth where his money is. John McCain and his running mate, who both have children in the Armed Forces, have declared Ohio troops and hospitalized vets unqualified voters. That's country first?

Mecca
10-04-2008, 10:21 PM
Check out votevets.org they talk about how McCain is an anti vets candidate.

T-post Tom
10-05-2008, 01:45 PM
Check out votevets.org they talk about how McCain is an anti vets candidate.

Yep. Hard to fathom. His father would be ashamed.

Logical
10-05-2008, 02:49 PM
So pathetic

trndobrd
10-05-2008, 03:42 PM
Palin: Ohio Vets Are Unqualified to Vote
by MaxMarginal

Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 02:13:55 PM PDT

Same-day registration and filling out of absentee ballots is the best option available to unregistered troops abroad and hospitalized vets in VA facilites.



This is an interesting assertion that forms the basis for the blog rant, but the facts show the basis for this argument is false.

Here's how Ohio law works:

The deadline to register to vote in the November 4, 2008 General Election is October 6th, 2008(1)

Early voting in Ohio begins September 30 for the November 4, 2008 General Election.(2)

Because early voting begins before the registration period ends, there is a one week overlap, from September 30th to October 6th, during which a person would be able to both register and vote. After October 6th, there is no additional opportunity to register.

So how does this affect a deployed service member who is not registered and wants to vote? It doesn't. Not only is 'same day' registration and voting not the 'best way' for a deployed service member to register and vote, it is nearly impossible.

A service member must register to vote prior to receiving a ballot or mailing in a federal ballot.(3)

Assuming a Soldier in Afghanistan mailed in a voter registration card on the 30th of September, the Soldier would have to wait for the Election office to process the card and put him on the rolls before they would send out an absentee ballot, or process a Federal ballot. Since the service member wouldn't physically be at the election office (unlike a college student registering and voting in his home town), there would be several weeks of mail transit time involved.

Similarly, a person confined to a medical treatment facility (VA or otherwise) would have to register, then vote by absentee ballot, not early voting at a polling site.(4) The Ohio law would have no impact.




(1) http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/voterInformation/regToVote.aspx

(2) http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/mapsEV.aspx?page=361

(3) http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/voterInformation/uniformOverseasCitizens.aspx

(4) http://www.sos.state.oh.us/SOS/elections/voterInformation/absentee.aspx

Garcia Bronco
10-05-2008, 07:57 PM
This is the Democratic party's attempt to have same day registration and voting. Which shouldn't be allowed. Voter identity must be confirmed first. Otherwise people can stuff the ballot box with fraud votes.

penchief
10-06-2008, 07:51 AM
This is the Democratic party's attempt to have same day registration and voting. Which shouldn't be allowed. Voter identity must be confirmed first. Otherwise people can stuff the ballot box with fraud votes.

Another bogus issue manufactured by republicans in order to suppress the vote. Same day registration is a good thing. If we can do a background check in 5 minutes for anything else (credit, housing, employment, firearms, etc.), certainly we can do it for voting.

Election day should also be a holiday. But there is a reason it isn't. And it's the same reason that the establishment opposes same-day registration.

Garcia Bronco
10-06-2008, 10:30 AM
Another bogus issue manufactured by republicans in order to suppress the vote. Same day registration is a good thing. If we can do a background check in 5 minutes for anything else (credit, housing, employment, firearms, etc.), certainly we can do it for voting.

Election day should also be a holiday. But there is a reason it isn't. And it's the same reason that the establishment opposes same-day registration.

You're an idiot on this. Same day registration is akin to keeping the fox in the chicken coop. I agree that it should be a national holiday, but people's addresses and id need to be verified before voting. Background checks take more than 5 minutes. What you are talking about is a credit check, and you do NOT want the credit companies intrusted with that, period. What's next electronic voting machines when paper ballots work just fine? It's not hard to register to vote.

I bet if you found out some candidate you didn't like won by fraud you'd be up in arms about it. What this policy allows is for people to vote twice. Yay!

penchief
10-06-2008, 10:36 AM
You're an idiot on this. Same day registration is akin to keeping the fox in the chicken coop. I agree that it should be a national holiday, but people's addresses and id need to be verified before voting. Background checks take more than 5 minutes. What you are talking about is a credit check, and you do NOT want the credit companies intrusted with that, period. What's next electronic voting machines when paper ballots work just fine? It's not hard to register to vote.

I bet if you found out some candidate you didn't like won by fraud you'd be up in arms about it. What this policy allows is for people to vote twice. Yay!

Why do you think verification can't be done in a day? They do it for everything else. I'm not an idiot on this. Voter suppression is the name of the game for the establishment and you are perpetuating their myths.

I also think that paper ballots are superior to electronic voting when there is no verifiable paper trail.

By the way, I can do a nationwide all-in-one credit, criminal, sex offender, eviction, and address history background check and have it back in 5 minutes.