Palin says Obama "Pals around with terrorists"

[banyon]

The high road.

Palin makes Obama terrorist claim
Palin tells donors that Obama's association with Bill Ayers, founder of leftwing Weather Underground group, is 'palling around with terrorists'

http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00677/eng_attack_teaser_B_677244g.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/05/usa.uselections2008

John McCain's running mate for the US presidency, Sarah Palin, yesterday accused Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists".

Palin's comments were a reference to Obama's association with Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the leftwing Weather Underground group, which engaged in anti-establishment activities during the Vietnam war era.

The Obama campaign denounced the remarks as "desperate"; Obama himself did not respond directly but complained of "nasty" campaigning by Republicans.

The Weather Underground group sprung up in the late 1960s and claimed responsibility for bombings, including non-fatal explosions at the Pentagon and Capitol Hill. Obama, who was a child when the group was active, served on a charity board with Ayers several years ago but has denounced his radical views and activities.

Yesterday Palin told a group of donors to the Republican party: "Our opponent ... is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." She added: "This is not a man who sees America as you see America and as I see America."

The Alaska governor said donors had encouraged her and McCain to get tougher on Obama and an aide had subsequently advised her: "Sarah, the gloves are off, the heels are on, go get to them."

With just one month until the election and Obama's poll ratings boosted by the economic turmoil engulfing the US, the Republicans are attempting to switch the focus of the campaign by questioning the character of the Democratic candidate.

Television advertisements by outside groups, not officially affiliated to the Republican party, have also questioned Obama's ties to Ayers.

Palin cited a New York Times story published yesterday that detailed Obama's relationship with Ayers, although the paper concluded: "The two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr Ayers."

Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan said: "Today, the McCain-Palin team took their discredited, dishonourable campaign one desperate step further, announcing that they were going to try 'turning a page on this financial crisis' and launching more personal attacks on Senator Obama."

At a fundraiser in Asheville, North Carolina, last night, Obama made no direct reference to Palin's remarks but told said people were tired of the approach "that the way to win an election is simply to run nasty ads and lie about their opponents".

Obama is due to take on McCain in the second of three nationally televised presidential debates on Tuesday.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I saw that on Meet the Press this morning. I'm not really surprised. She's a ruthlessly ambitious cunt.

[StcChief]

Soccer/Hockey mom vs. Lib black Lawyer scum from Illinois.

[DeezNutz]

She's a ruthlessly ambitious **nt.

I'd wager that this forum has been home to plenty of similar comments about Hillary Clinton.

[PRIEST]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3iQdGtxBJs&feature=related




She has problems of her own

[banyon]

Soccer/Hockey mom vs. Lib black Lawyer scum from Illinois.

It's cute how you group your pejoratives together like that. :shake:

[banyon]

I'd wager that this forum has been home to plenty of similar comments about Hillary Clinton.

and worse.

http://i33.tinypic.com/aob6sk.jpg

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I don't use the c-bomb often, and I'm a vulgar motherfucker. Saying that Obama "pals around with terrorists" is a cunt-level transgression.

[Iowanian]

he does keep affilliations with several shady mofos...including a convicted and known American hating terrorist.

Was Ayers associated with Bombings in the United States or was he not? Is he affiliated with Obama?


Obama version "He, Ted Bundy has made some unfortunate decisions in his past, I'll denounce them tuesday when I'm golfing with him and OJ Simpson."


Jokes about her family, jokes about incest, her retarded kid are acceptable to most of the leftos poking fun at her....but she points out a known association and she's a SEE you next tuesday. Got it.

[Baby Lee]

I'd wager that this forum has been home to plenty of similar comments about Hillary Clinton.

What, just because Hamas observed, I presume, that Sarah Palin's sister has children?

[banyon]

he does keep affilliations with several shady mofos...including a convicted and known American hating terrorist.

Like Obama said, it's a distortion designed to play on people's fears. And even the conviction part is wrong.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.
In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton. The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted" after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the campaign.

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."

[ChiefaRoo]

I saw that on Meet the Press this morning. I'm not really surprised. She's a ruthlessly ambitious **nt.

You're the C*** here.

[ChiefaRoo]

he does keep affilliations with several shady mofos...including a convicted and known American hating terrorist.

Was Ayers associated with Bombings in the United States or was he not? Is he affiliated with Obama?


Obama version "He, Ted Bundy has made some unfortunate decisions in his past, I'll denounce them tuesday when I'm golfing with him and OJ Simpson."


Jokes about her family, jokes about incest, her retarded kid are acceptable to most of the leftos poking fun at her....but she points out a known association and she's a SEE you next tuesday. Got it.

Correct. Well said.

[BigRedChief]

Jokes about her family, jokes about incest, her retarded kid are acceptable to most of the leftos poking fun at her....but she points out a known association and she's a SEE you next tuesday. Got it.
The difference here is that the potential Vice-President is the one maling those claims herself not some Lefto or righto.

[penchief]

he does keep affilliations with several shady mofos...including a convicted and known American hating terrorist.

Was Ayers associated with Bombings in the United States or was he not? Is he affiliated with Obama?

And the Bush's are business associates with the bin Ladens but I guess that doesn't count. And their associations with the bin Ladens and the authoritarian Saudi regime can be considered a direct link to the resentment and hatred that serves as a breeding ground for radical anti-American Islamic terrorists.

Also, the biggest domestic terrorist this country has ever known was the ultra-right wing Timothy McVeigh, an example of the kind of people that Rush Limbaugh and their ilk target as soldiers in their movement to turn this country into an intolerant fascist regime. And Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama only speak to those zealots, as well.

[SHTSPRAYER]

And the Bush's are business associates with the bin Ladens but I guess that doesn't count. And their associations with the bin Laden's and the authoritarian Saudi regime can be considered a direct link to the resentment and hatred that serves as a breeding ground for radical anti-American Islamic terrorists.

Also, the biggest domestic terrorist this country has ever known was the ultra-right wing Timothy McVeigh, an example of the kind of people that Rush Limbaugh and their ilk target as soldiers in their movement to turn this country into an intolerant fascist regime. And Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama only speak to those zealots, as well.

ROFL

[penchief]

ROFL

Of course that's funny to you. You have no sense of reality. You are willing to go along with the complete and total dumbing down of the American people soley for the purpose of perpetuating and consolidating power into the hands of those whose intentions are to steal our country from us.

Thank you for your contribution.

[Ari Chi3fs]

Seems to me that the Bush's have been palling with terrorists for over 80 years. Going back to Prescott and Samuel Bush.

This lady is a fucking kooky bitch.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Of course that's funny to you. You have no sense of reality. You are willing to go along with the complete and total dumbing down of the American people soley for the purpose of perpetuating and consolidating power into the hands of those whose intentions are to steal our country from us.

Thank you for your contribution.

You're a mouth foamer.

[SNR]

McCain has obviously dressed Ann Coulter in a Palin suit in hopes that she wouldn't be so stupid.

Umm...

[keg in kc]

Desperation.

[SHTSPRAYER]

The high road.



Your boy B.O. was sure taking the high road during the primaries when he implicated Hillary for her husband pardoning Weathermen, during one of their debates.

:rolleyes:

[banyon]

Your boy B.O. was sure taking the high road during the primaries when he implicated Hillary for her husband pardoning Weathermen, during one of their debates.

:rolleyes:

Link?

My suspicion is that it was probably in reply to a Hillary cheap shot.

[SHTSPRAYER]

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ROFL

[HolmeZz]

Link?

My suspicion is that it was probably in reply to a Hillary cheap shot.

It was, and it shut her up.

[PRIEST]

Seems to me that the Bush's have been palling with terrorists for over 80 years. Going back to Prescott and Samuel Bush.

This lady is a f***ing kooky bitch.




You sir are correct it is well documented

[ChiefaRoo]

McCain and Palin are going to go hammer and tong at Barry for the rest of the month. They should. Win or lose they need to make as clear a contrast to between the two campaigns as possible. I think they are doing the right and only thing they can do. Characterize it any way you want but going right at Obama is the right thing to do.

[HolmeZz]

McCain and Palin are going to go hammer and tong at Barry for the rest of the month. They should. Win or lose they need to make as clear a contrast to between the two campaigns as possible.

There is a clear contrast. That's why they're losing.

I think they are doing the right and only thing they can do. Characterize it any way you want but going right at Obama is the right thing to do.

Of course you think going this route is the right thing to do. The Republicans have made their people accustomed to these kinds of tactics. That's the only way you could condone your candidate abandoning the issues that are genuinely effecting people's lives to focus on smearing and tearing down the other candidate. The fact is McCain could've run this type of campaign months ago and he did not. Now he's resorting to this because his camp realizes he can't win on the real issues.

Country First!

[whoman69]

McCain and Palin are going to go hammer and tong at Barry for the rest of the month. They should. Win or lose they need to make as clear a contrast to between the two campaigns as possible. I think they are doing the right and only thing they can do. Characterize it any way you want but going right at Obama is the right thing to do.

Its one thing to create a contrast with someone on the issues. Its another to stir up fear and hatred while saying nothing positive about your own campaign. They're not trying to get people to vote for them, only hoping to have less people vote for the other guy. They are bringing down expectation for America.

[Iowanian]

Hey Penn...

No Bush is running for president in 08.(unless Palin's got a wooley mamoth for a snapper cap).

Obama HAS admitted associations with Ayers.

Ayers....Rev Wright.....ACORN.....and on and on and on.

[Logical]

I saw that on Meet the Press this morning. I'm not really surprised. She's a ruthlessly ambitious **nt. Totally on the mark

[Logical]

and worse.

http://i33.tinypic.com/aob6sk.jpgIf I was not running my own campaign, I would have that shrunk and in my sig as quickly as possible.

[Logical]

Like Obama said, it's a distortion designed to play on people's fears. And even the conviction part is wrong.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.
In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton. The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted" after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the campaign.

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."Don't confuse the vapid Republicans looking for a boogeyman. They don't want facts.

[banyon]

Hey Penn...

No Bush is running for president in 08.(unless Palin's got a wooley mamoth for a snapper cap).

Obama HAS admitted associations with Ayers.

Ayers....Rev Wright.....ACORN.....and on and on and on.

He served on a charity board with him. Do you really want McCain held to that standard?

[Iowanian]

Sure.

[banyon]

Sure.

"Sure you want him to be held to the same standard" or "Sure[ I don't believe what you said]"?

[VAChief]

Witch doctors, Charles Keating, Adulterous affairs and on and on and on...I would think McCain's team might want to rethink their stone throwing around personal associations.

[PRIEST]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSH5B7PcsBU




We all live in glass houses Mr McCain :evil:

[HonestChieffan]

I don't use the c-bomb often, and I'm a vulgar motherf***er. Saying that Obama "pals around with terrorists" is a **nt-level transgression.

So what would u call the Ayers connection?

[Adept Havelock]

So what would u call the Ayers connection?

A tactic of desperation driven by an increasingly unfavorable (to McCain) electoral map. :shrug:

[PRIEST]

A tactic of desperation driven by an increasingly unfavorable (to McCain) electoral map. :shrug:


Exactly McCain grasping at straws ,if I am not mistaking Hillary already did this & if the Clinton Spin Machine could not make it stick, McCain is just spinning his wheels, the base will like it though :rolleyes:

[HonestChieffan]

A tactic of desperation driven by an increasingly unfavorable (to McCain) electoral map. :shrug:

So this sort of repeated behavior by Obo does not make you wonder at all about him and his judgement?

[PRIEST]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G8C4Y93Ugk



Glass houses I say :evil:

[Adept Havelock]

So this sort of repeated behavior by Obo does not make you wonder at all about him and his judgement?

Que? Perhaps you have me confused with an Obama supporter. Granted, you are usually rather confused so it is quite understandable.

That doesn't change the fact this change in tactics from the McCain camp is (to paraphrase an op-ed at 538) an onside kick, down by 14, no timeouts, with 3:45 left on the clock in the fourth.

In short, a tactic of desperation. :shrug:

[HonestChieffan]

Its not a new issue. Why do you just now know of this?

[kstater]

McCain and Palin are going to go hammer and tong at Barry for the rest of the month. They should. Win or lose they need to make as clear a contrast to between the two campaigns as possible. I think they are doing the right and only thing they can do. Characterize it any way you want but going right at Obama is the right thing to do.

Yeah stating their policy positions clearly isn't the way to go.

[jAZ]

So what would u call the Ayers connection?

Identical to the G. Gordon Liddy connection that McCain has.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=193434

[Bootlegged]

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[SportsRacer]

Soccer/Hockey mom vs. Lib black Lawyer scum from Illinois.

You're a fuckstick.

[ROYC75]

Obama - Ayers is what it is, he can deny it all he wants, just like the Rev. Wright stuff.

Obama made a poor choice as a young politician getting involved with Ayers in the 1st place. Obama knew of Ayers involvement and turned a blind eye to pursue his young career. Is Obama involved with Ayers now, NO, but the fact he should have known better years ago is as well.

Obama association with several people with a shady past is reflective to his poor decision making ability when it comes to judging people.

As bad as his decisions were with past involvement with bad people, his decisions he will make for the country are already being questioned by many Americans.

Americans have that right to be afraid of his ability to judge people. His record speaks of it.

[banyon]

Obama - Ayers is what it is, he can deny it all he wants, just like the Rev. Wright stuff.

Obama made a poor choice as a young politician getting involved with Ayers in the 1st place. Obama knew of Ayers involvement and turned a blind eye to pursue his young career. Is Obama involved with Ayers now, NO, but the fact he should have known better years ago as well.

Obama association with several people with a shady past is reflective to his poor decision making ability when it comes to judging people.

As bad as his decisions were with past involvement with bad people, his decisions he will make for the country are already being questioned by many Americans.

Americans have that right to be afraid of his ability to judge people. His record speaks of it.

Obama didn't "make a choice to be involved with Ayers". He made a choice to serve on a charity board.

I serve on two city boards and I don't know all the people on them, I guess one day maybe people will dig up the dirt on these people and try to use it against me too.

Hell, you've made a choice to associate with all of the people on Chiefplanet, can we pick out the worst person and use that against you?

[kcpasco]

Obama - Ayers is what it is, he can deny it all he wants, just like the Rev. Wright stuff.

Obama made a poor choice as a young politician getting involved with Ayers in the 1st place. Obama knew of Ayers involvement and turned a blind eye to pursue his young career. Is Obama involved with Ayers now, NO, but the fact he should have known better years ago is as well.

Obama association with several people with a shady past is reflective to his poor decision making ability when it comes to judging people.

As bad as his decisions were with past involvement with bad people, his decisions he will make for the country are already being questioned by many Americans.

Americans have that right to be afraid of his ability to judge people. His record speaks of it.


Except that McCain has said he is above these kind of politics. Of course until now its down to crunch time and he sees he is getting his ass handed to him in the polls. McCain is a hypocrite and this last ditch attempt at slinging mud will backfire in his face.

The repubs are getting desperate.

[ROYC75]

Obama didn't "make a choice to be involved with Ayers". He made a choice to serve on a charity board.

I serve on two city boards and I don't know all the people on them, I guess one day maybe people will dig up the dirt on these people and try to use it against me too.

Hell, you've made a choice to associate with all of the people on Chiefplanet, can we pick out the worst person and use that against you?

Obama made a choice, a choice he chose to associate himself with Ayers. Period. You can spin it anyway you wish to your preferences, bottom line is he made that choice. Another choice Obama made was letting Ayers come to his house, contribute to his campaign, it was Obama's choice.

Oba,ma made a mistake ....... PERIOD. Obama had his own political career in mind and made a bad choice. Just like Tony Rezo ( spelling ) ACORN, Wright, etc. These were all Obama's choice..........

It is what it is .

[ROYC75]

Except that McCain has said he is above these kind of politics. Of course until now its down to crunch time and he sees he is getting his ass handed to him in the polls. McCain is a hypocrite and this last ditch attempt at slinging mud will backfire in his face.

The repubs are getting desperate.

I will not argue any of this ....... it is crunch time and the American people have turned a blind eye towards Obama, they need to know the facts on him.

[kcpasco]

I will not argue any of this ....... it is crunch time and the American people have turned a blind eye towards Obama, they need to know the facts on him.

Well since they can't beat him on the economy, guess they have to play the scare tactic card.

[banyon]

Obama made a choice, a choice he chose to associate himself with Ayers. Period. You can spin it anyway you wish to your preferences, bottom line is he made that choice. Another choice Obama made was letting Ayers come to his house, contribute to his campaign, it was Obama's choice.

Oba,ma made a mistake ....... PERIOD. Obama had his own political career in mind and made a bad choice. Just like Tony Rezo ( spelling ) ACORN, Wright, etc. These were all Obama's choice..........

It is what it is .

There's no spin, those are the facts and how boards work. Your desperation in ignoring what I said is pretty ridiculous.

And now you're back with this ACORN garbage again? What was his link to corruption there again? Oh, yeah, you spent about 3 thread pages the other day dancing around answering that question.

When this is what you have in place of a viable discussion of issues people give a s*** about, you have lost.

[ROYC75]

There's no spin, those are the facts and how boards work. Your desperation in ignoring what I said is pretty ridiculous.

And now you're back with this ACORN garbage again? What was his link to corruption there again? Oh, yeah, you spent about 3 thread pages the other day dancing around answering that question.

When this is what you have in place of a viable discussion of issues people give a s*** about, you have lost.

You are denying the fact that many / associations of the people Obama associates himself with are / end up in trouble sometime within their lives.


Facts are facts.........

[banyon]

You are denying the fact that many / associations of the people Obama associates himself with are / end up in trouble sometime within their lives.


Facts are facts.........

Is this supposed to somehow address my point about how people wind up on boards?


Hey, my cousin's in prison on his 2nd meth lab charge, should that disqualify me from working for the government?

[Garcia Bronco]

I think in light of things Barney Frank and Franklyn Raines are Terrorists.

[Iowanian]

Well since they can't beat him on the economy, guess they have to play the scare tactic card.

Thats interesting.....

Given that significant portions of the economic crisis are due to Obama and ACORN, and so many of the libs like Frank who pushed Fannie and Freddie so hard, and argued against regulation when Republicans tried to as many as 6 years ago.

[banyon]

Is this how you guys walk around in your daily lives too?

http://www.healthyeyes.org.uk/uploads/pics/boy-handover-eye.jpg

[kcpasco]

Thats interesting.....

Given that significant portions of the economic crisis are due to Obama and ACORN, and so many of the libs like Frank who pushed Fannie and Freddie so hard, and argued against regulation when Republicans tried to as many as 6 years ago.

The American people are seeing it as a Bush failure and since McCain cannot seperate himself from that failed administration, that is why McCain is getting hammered in the polls.

[jjjayb]

And the Bush's are business associates with the bin Ladens but I guess that doesn't count. And their associations with the bin Ladens and the authoritarian Saudi regime can be considered a direct link to the resentment and hatred that serves as a breeding ground for radical anti-American Islamic terrorists.

Also, the biggest domestic terrorist this country has ever known was the ultra-right wing Timothy McVeigh, an example of the kind of people that Rush Limbaugh and their ilk target as soldiers in their movement to turn this country into an intolerant fascist regime. And Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama only speak to those zealots, as well.

So let me get this right, Barack hanging with a terrorist is okay because he was a terrorist a long time ago. Palin calling him on it is wrong because Mcveigh was a bigger terrorist than ayers? WTF does Mcveigh have to do with the fact that Obama's buddy is an anti-american terrorist? But speaking of Mcveigh, you bring up a good point.

If Mcveigh were still alive and he launched Palin's career would that be okay because he blew up the federal building along time ago? Of course it wouldn't. I still don't get the whole "but Ayers was a terrorist when obama was only 8" defense. The man has never given any remorse for what he did. But hey, as long as it's one of your fellow libs running around with him it's okay. Unbelievable. :shake:

[banyon]

So let me get this right, Barack hanging with a terrorist is okay because he was a terrorist a long time ago. Palin calling him on it is wrong because Mcveigh was a bigger terrorist than ayers? WTF does Mcveigh have to do with the fact that Obama's buddy is an anti-american terrorist? But speaking of Mcveigh, you bring up a good point.

If Mcveigh were still alive and he launched Palin's career would that be okay because he blew up the federal building along time ago? Of course it wouldn't. I still don't get the whole "but Ayers was a terrorist when obama was only 8" defense. The man has never given any remorse for what he did. But hey, as long as it's one of your fellow libs running around with him it's okay. Unbelievable. :shake:

Yeah, just look at him, it's obvious he was in cahoots with Ayers from the very beginning, probably even helped plant several of the bombs. You can almost see him saying "kill all the whiteys!"

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/OBAMAPHOTOSR2_468x403.jpg

[Iowanian]

Is this how you guys walk around in your daily lives too?

http://www.healthyeyes.org.uk/uploads/pics/boy-handover-eye.jpg


That kid looks like a future democrat...you know, practicing for his "disability" test.


Maybe he's taking Pirate lessons to work in Barney Frank's boi-stable?

[banyon]

That kid looks like a future democrat...you know, practicing for his "disability" test.


Maybe he's taking Pirate lessons to work in Barney Frank's boi-stable?

whoosh!

[HonestChieffan]

Identical to the G. Gordon Liddy connection that McCain has.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=193434

Liddy bombed the Pentagon? When?

[ROYC75]

The American people are seeing it as a Bush failure and since McCain cannot seperate himself from that failed administration, that is why McCain is getting hammered in the polls.

Yet it's not Bush's fault nor McCains fault. Starts with community organizers , ACORN, bad loans to people incapable of paying them off to bank loans buyouts all the way down to Fannie and Freddie, all because somebody wants BIG GOVERNMENT to help the people, the poor people, of whom most are lazy, irresponsible and only want a few hand out.

That's right up the liberal BIG GOVERNMENT ways, text book style.

Does any of this ring a bell right now ?

[ROYC75]

Yeah, just look at him, it's obvious he was in cahoots with Ayers from the very beginning, probably even helped plant several of the bombs. You can almost see him saying "kill all the whiteys!"

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/OBAMAPHOTOSR2_468x403.jpg

You really are missing the whole point here....... Obama knew that Ayers was a former terrorist, he didn't care. It has nothing to do with being 8 years old. It has everything to do with knowing what had happened and he still chose to work alongside of him. Obama's weak attempt to say , I was 8 yrs old,we served a few times together on a board is complete B S . It goes much deeper and Obama hasn't admitted it.

I have a hunch that this will become the October surprise in a few days when the info will be released showing Obama has lied about his association with Ayers.

Obama is hiding a lot more than what is being told..... There is just too much stuff that is more than coincidental .

[HolmeZz]

If you could only comprehend how much of a retard you are.

[jAZ]

Liddy bombed the Pentagon? When?

In 1971, he plotted to "firebomb() the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy#White_House_years). In 1972 he plotted to "kidnap() anti-war protest organizers ... (at) the Republican National Convention" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy#White_House_years). In 1980 he confessed under oath that he "plotted to poison (investigative journalist Jack) Anderson on orders from White House aide Jeb Magruder" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Anderson).

[ROYC75]

If you could only comprehend how much of a retard you are.


If only you could understand the list of radical or shady people that have been involved, or are involved in some way or their name has some bearing to Obama's past and present ........Let's just name a few, see if any of them ring a bell ?

Tony Rezko
Nadhmi Auchi
Allison Davis
Raila Odinga
Jaramogi Oginga Odinga
Abongo “Roy” Obama
Abdulkader Al Bakri
Frank Marshall Davis
Bernardine Dohrn
William Ayers
Saul Alinksy
George Soros
Rep. Jan Schakowsky
Robert Creamer
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Rev. Michael Pfleger
Louis Farrakhan
Mohammar Kaddafy
Bernie Sanders
Mike Kruglik
Poul Nyrup Rasmussen
Saul Mendelson
Khaleel Ahmed
Zubair A. Ahmed
Talat M. Othman
Rashid Khalidi
Cornell West
Malik Zulu Shabazz
Robert Malley
Harold Koh
Frank Davis
Al Sharpton
ACORN


Shit this list could go on.........But get this, I am so sick and tired of hearing about Obama being bipartisan. Nothing could be further from the truth. You don"t get to the number ranked Most Socialist in the US Senate by being bi-partisan. He was also ranked 11th out of 100 this year in terms of most votes with his own party.

Obama seems to be under the misapprehension that working with a Republican is by definition bi-partisan. By that logic sharing a taxi with a Republican is also bi-partisan.

For bi-partisanship to be of value, the politician must side with the other party against the wishes of his own party. Only then is it meaningful to claim bipartisanship. Obama has never done that.

Further proof can be seen in these National Review ratings

* 2005 #16 Most Liberal in US Senate
* 2006 #10 Most Liberal in US Senate
* 2007 #1 Most Liberal in US Senate
* 2008 Barely showed up for work


***** OBAMA, JUST SAY NO ! *****

[Mecca]

Who cares that he's liberal I'm fucking liberal, so yea why is that considered an insult?

Also I doubt this Ayers stuff plays well to people that don't know anything about it, know why? He's a white guy, the only people dumb enough to buy into would be people that would buy into it if he was middle eastern.

[|Zach|]

You get voted that way by running for presdident on Dem ticket...

The horror! Gore most liberal EVER!!!

The horror! Kerry most liberal EVER!!!

Imagine my complete lack of surprise.

Obama most liberal EVER!!!

[Mecca]

I think it's funny how the word liberal seems to be acted as though it's in line with rapist or murderer...

All this guilt by association shit is really stupid. I don't quite understand how it's supposed to affect anyone's ability to lead, or how anyone is surprised that someone working on the street level in a city like Chicago would, gasp, interact with radicals.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It's almost funny watching these idiot Republicans thrash around like the T-1000 after he fell in the vat of molten steel.

[Jenson71]

If only you could understand the list of radical or shady people that have been involved, or are involved in some way or their name has some bearing to Obama's past and present ........Let's just name a few, see if any of them ring a bell ?

Tony Rezko
Nadhmi Auchi
Allison Davis
Raila Odinga
Jaramogi Oginga Odinga
Abongo “Roy” Obama
Abdulkader Al Bakri
Frank Marshall Davis
Bernardine Dohrn
William Ayers
Saul Alinksy
George Soros
Rep. Jan Schakowsky
Robert Creamer
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Rev. Michael Pfleger
Louis Farrakhan
Mohammar Kaddafy
Bernie Sanders
Mike Kruglik
Poul Nyrup Rasmussen
Saul Mendelson
Khaleel Ahmed
Zubair A. Ahmed
Talat M. Othman
Rashid Khalidi
Cornell West
Malik Zulu Shabazz
Robert Malley
Harold Koh
Frank Davis
Al Sharpton
ACORN



LMAO

You know all these people Roy? You know what their links to Obama are?

[Ugly Duck]

Palin makes Obama terrorist claim

Wow. Desperation time. They sure did give up early.....

[NewPhin]

LMAO

You know all these people Roy? You know what their links to Obama are?

He got all of those from a moderate, fair and balanced website, I'm sure.

[chagrin]

It's cute how you group your pejoratives together like that. :shake:

Dude, the entire forum is filled with pejoratives grouped together; let's begin with the term "Right Wing Nut Job"

[chagrin]

LMAO

You know all these people Roy? You know what their links to Obama are?

nice deflection, I mean weak deflection

[jjjayb]

Yeah, just look at him, it's obvious he was in cahoots with Ayers from the very beginning, probably even helped plant several of the bombs. You can almost see him saying "kill all the whiteys!"

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/OBAMAPHOTOSR2_468x403.jpg

Keep sticking your head in the sand. I guess it's okay to hang with a terrorist as long as they blew stuff up BEFORE you start hanging with them. :rolleyes:

Does this mean it will be okay to pall around with Bin Laden in 20 years because it will be well after 9/11?

[Programmer]

and worse.

http://i33.tinypic.com/aob6sk.jpg

Amazing how you group together useless garbage.

Especially since your captions are basically wrong.

Obama has no judgement, if it were so he wouldn't have ties to the terrorist.

McCain does have experience that outweighs Obamas claim to be an organizer.

Biden has little ethical qualities, he was on McCains side of the fence during the primaries and jumped over when he was chosen as the vp candidate.

Palin has little experience, but has common sense. Common sense is lacking in Obama and Biden.

[Programmer]

And the Bush's are business associates with the bin Ladens but I guess that doesn't count. And their associations with the bin Ladens and the authoritarian Saudi regime can be considered a direct link to the resentment and hatred that serves as a breeding ground for radical anti-American Islamic terrorists.

Also, the biggest domestic terrorist this country has ever known was the ultra-right wing Timothy McVeigh, an example of the kind of people that Rush Limbaugh and their ilk target as soldiers in their movement to turn this country into an intolerant fascist regime. And Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama only speak to those zealots, as well.

Bush isn't running for re-elections penchief.

[Programmer]

Of course that's funny to you. You have no sense of reality. You are willing to go along with the complete and total dumbing down of the American people soley for the purpose of perpetuating and consolidating power into the hands of those whose intentions are to steal our country from us.

Thank you for your contribution.

I would say that you are not the one to be throwing darts about what is reality and what is not.

You might want to look deeper into Obama and all, again I say ALL, of his connections and supporters. Surprises lurk around every one of them.

[Programmer]

Seems to me that the Bush's have been palling with terrorists for over 80 years. Going back to Prescott and Samuel Bush.

This lady is a f***ing kooky bitch.

I'll say this again. Bush is not running for re-election.

[Programmer]

You sir are correct it is well documented

By the drive by media. Yep, real credible source there. got a link?

[Programmer]

Don't confuse the vapid Republicans looking for a boogeyman. They don't want facts.

You don't seem to be able to handle the truth and the facts. If you were running for president would you be disassociating yourself from known terrorists? How about known racist organizations? (as in Obama's church?)

You may want to not believe that Obama has connections with the terrorist of choice here, but the facts seem to be more in line with him being closely associated with him.

[Programmer]

Obama didn't "make a choice to be involved with Ayers". He made a choice to serve on a charity board.


So why did he stay associated with the charity when he found out that Aayres was on it?

Your comment is a stretch for anyone to believe. How many "charity boards" have you been associated with? How many members were on the boards?

I don't live in a metropolitan area, but I've been on some board of directors for events, one in a large area, and I knew each and every board member by the third meeting. If he didn't pick up the name of Ayers for who he was, there could be more of a judgement problem than you know.

[penchief]

Bush isn't running for re-elections penchief.

But you voted for him and his policies. That's real. Not like this made up stuff the right wing smear machine is gearing up with.

Also, since McCain's agenda will enable the same entities as the Bush agenda, why do you think anything is going to change?

[penchief]

I would say that you are not the one to be throwing darts about what is reality and what is not.

You might want to look deeper into Obama and all, again I say ALL, of his connections and supporters. Surprises lurk around every one of them.

And you should do the same concerning the real reasons we are in Iraq instead of the made up ones that you still defend.

[Programmer]

And you should do the same concerning the real reasons we are in Iraq instead of the made up ones that you still defend.

Tell me the real (in your mind) reasons we are in Iraq. I have my beliefs which are based on experience, but all of that here is discounted as I'm not a credible source.

I'd listen to your beliefs, not that they have any basis in reality.

[Programmer]

But you voted for him and his policies. That's real. Not like this made up stuff the right wing smear machine is gearing up with.

Also, since McCain's agenda will enable the same entities as the Bush agenda, why do you think anything is going to change?

One time.

You think that McCain is the same as Bush. Until you get that out of your mind there is no use in discussing what is probable and what is speculation. Your head is burried in sand not wanting to find out that McCain is actually going to run the country differently. Besides, with the democrats lead in congress and the senate what fear will you have? Obama, on the other hand, will have the same leaders in the senate and congress, his plans will be rubberstamped and will lead to the destruction of out country.

[J Diddy]

Tell me the real (in your mind) reasons we are in Iraq. I have my beliefs which are based on experience, but all of that here is discounted as I'm not a credible source.

I'd listen to your beliefs, not that they have any basis in reality.

You have the same listening ability and intent as a rotten 2 by 4, and the character to match

[Programmer]

You have the same listening ability and intent as a rotten 2 by 4, and the character to match

Your inability to do anything but attack posters rather than the subject is getting old. Time for you to grow up. You might give it a try, if you are capable.

I have never seen a single post you have made that has been anything more than attacking someone. Give it a rest and grow up for God's sake.

[Ultra Peanut]

Well, since Obama's favorables are +20 and Palin's are +0, this character assassination is sure to work.

[Ultra Peanut]

Keep sticking your head in the sand. I guess it's okay to hang with a terrorist as long as they blew stuff up BEFORE you start hanging with them. :rolleyes:

Does this mean it will be okay to pall around with Bin Laden in 20 years because it will be well after 9/11?Yes, serving on the same bipartisan poverty board is "hanging around" with someone. And the fact that this terrorist!!!!! never killed anyone, cooperated with the government, and later became a respected member of society well before Barack Obama ever came onto the scene, well, that's wholly irrelevant. He should have walked up to him and punched him in the face the first time he saw him.

You know what's responsible? Accusing US Senators of pallin' around with terrists. Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' bout.

[ROYC75]

Yes, serving on the same bipartisan poverty board is "hanging around" with someone. And the fact that this terrorist!!!!! never killed anyone, cooperated with the government, and later became a respected member of society well before Barack Obama ever came onto the scene, well, that's wholly irrelevant. He should have walked up to him and punched him in the face the first time he saw him.

You know what's responsible? Accusing US Senators of pallin' around with terrists. Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' bout.


:rolleyes:

Amazing how Obots can be so stupid and blind ......... simply amazing.

[penchief]

One time.

You think that McCain is the same as Bush. Until you get that out of your mind there is no use in discussing what is probable and what is speculation. Your head is burried in sand not wanting to find out that McCain is actually going to run the country differently. Besides, with the democrats lead in congress and the senate what fear will you have? Obama, on the other hand, will have the same leaders in the senate and congress, his plans will be rubberstamped and will lead to the destruction of out country.

His policies are the same. Show me where they aren't. Do you really buy into the lip-service rhetoric about John McCain changing Washington? I mean, come on. he's touting the same economic policies and the same international policies. He has the same 'my way or the highway' approach to governing as Bush does and he has shown in this campaign by employing Rove disciples and Rove tactics that winning comes before truth and honor, just like Bush.

Point out to me, aside from his campaign lip-service rhetoric, where his policies are different in any fundamental way from Bush's. You can't.

[Ultra Peanut]

:rolleyes:

Amazing how Obots can be so stupid and blind ......... simply amazing.You are one of the dumbest people alive. I'll take that as a compliment.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

:rolleyes:

Amazing how Obots can be so stupid and blind ......... simply amazing.

Roy, I'm amazed you made it through grammar school. You don't even live in a glass house. You live in a sandcastle on the Indonesian shores shortly after the Sumatra earthquake.

[VAChief]

But you voted for him and his policies. That's real. Not like this made up stuff the right wing smear machine is gearing up with.

Also, since McCain's agenda will enable the same entities as the Bush agenda, why do you think anything is going to change?

To be fair, I expect McCain to be far more hawkish and carefree with American lives overseas than even Bush. "Bomb Bomb Bomb...Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran"...He is an angry man of advancing years with a chip on his soldier since he was a toddler...not the kind of temperament in my opinion well suited for CINC.

"Maverick" really means reckless and erratic in his case.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Looks like ROY discovered FreeRepublic this election season.

[KCJohnny]

Kim Jong Il is rooting for Obama (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2008/7/14/obama-offers-change-kim-jong-il-can-believe-in.html).

[KCJohnny]

Yes, serving on the same bipartisan poverty board is "hanging around" with someone. And the fact that this terrorist!!!!! never killed anyone, cooperated with the government, and later became a respected member of society well before Barack Obama ever came onto the scene, well, that's wholly irrelevant. He should have walked up to him and punched him in the face the first time he saw him.

You know what's responsible? Accusing US Senators of pallin' around with terrists. Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' bout.

And OJ was framed!

[ROYC75]

You are one of the dumbest people alive. I'll take that as a compliment.

So Obot is a perfect decision thinking machine ?

Get real, will ya .

If you can't see the poor judgment Obama has made, nor denouncing the lack of comments by Ayers, keep drinking the kool aid there kid .

[ROYC75]

Roy, I'm amazed you made it through grammar school. You don't even live in a glass house. You live in a sandcastle on the Indonesian shores shortly after the Sumatra earthquake.

What's this, no kill yourself ?:D

[WilliamTheIrish]

Kim Jong Il is rooting for Obama (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2008/7/14/obama-offers-change-kim-jong-il-can-believe-in.html).

I remember the outrage when it was posted here that "Osama backs Bush in 04".

And linking to a blog that is written by ... your wife? Hilarious.

[KCJohnny]

I remember the outrage when it was posted here that "Osama backs Bush in 04".

And linking to a blog that is written by ... your wife? Hilarious.

Outrage? Sure, except that Obama backed Kerry.

[banyon]

So why did he stay associated with the charity when he found out that Aayres was on it?

Because he believed in what the charity was doing?

Your comment is a stretch for anyone to believe. How many "charity boards" have you been associated with? How many members were on the boards?

What comment?

[banyon]

:rolleyes:

Amazing how Obots can be so stupid and blind ......... simply amazing.

There is nothing incorrect about what he said.

Again, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT OBAMA HAD ANY CONNECTION TO AYERS OTHER THAN SERVING ON A CHARITY BOARD WITH HIM AND AYERS CONTRIBUTING ABOUT $200 BIG ONES TO HIS CAMPAIGN.

For you (and Gov. Palin for that matter) to stick your fingers in your ears and continue to pretend that this behavior = "pallin' around" is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard uttered in a professional political campaign.

[ROYC75]

There is nothing incorrect about what he said.

Again, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT OBAMA HAD ANY CONNECTION TO AYERS OTHER THAN SERVING ON A CHARITY BOARD WITH HIM AND AYERS CONTRIBUTING ABOUT $200 BIG ONES TO HIS CAMPAIGN.

For you (and Gov. Palin for that matter) to stick your fingers in your ears and continue to pretend that this behavior = "pallin' around" is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard uttered in a professional political campaign.

Bill Ayers, himself, refuses any questioning or shares any comments by it. He will not speak of it, he wants no harm to Obama. The Obama -Ayers ties are bigger than they want to comment on. In time it will surface, all stuff like this does. Ayers was more instrumental in helping Obama with his early political career that just 2 or 3 meetings and $ 200.00.

Again, the point I am making, Obama knew of Ayers former self ( like Ayers was really a changed man at the time, he never talks like screwed up ) and yet he chooses to associate with and let Ayers help shape his political future for the Illinois senate.

It don't matter how you choose to look at that , it was bad judgment on Obama's part. Period, no other way to spin it to your own preferences.

[penchief]

Kim Jong Il is rooting for Obama (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2008/7/14/obama-offers-change-kim-jong-il-can-believe-in.html).

Another smear tactic coming from the holier-than-thou hypocrite crowd.

[banyon]

Bill Ayers, himself, refuses any questioning or shares any comments by it. He will not speak of it, he wants no harm to Obama. The Obama -Ayers ties are bigger than they want to comment on. In time it will surface, all stuff like this does. Ayers was more instrumental in helping Obama with his early political career that just 2 or 3 meetings and $ 200.00.

Again, the point I am making, Obama knew of Ayers former self ( like Ayers was really a changed man at the time, he never talks like screwed up ) and yet he chooses to associate with and let Ayers help shape his political future for the Illinois senate.

It don't matter how you choose to look at that , it was bad judgment on Obama's part. Period, no other way to spin it to your own preferences. There's no evidence he "choice to associate with him" either.

Like I said, there's no evidence out there other than what you desperately want to believe. Regardless, there's no basis for saying they were "pallin' around".

Again, you can't even demonstrate that it was bad judgment, there's no evidence of that either.

[ROYC75]

Like I said, there's no evidence out there other than what you desperately want to believe. Regardless, there's no basis for saying they were "pallin' around".

Again, you can't even demonstrate that it was bad judgment, there's no evidence of that either.

OK, whatever, you say it was not bad judgment on Obama. That it is OK to associate with Bill Ayers ?

When are you going to say it is OK to associate with Osama Bin Ladin ?
Can you answer, please, we would like to know this one .

I hope the question gets to the debate and Obama calls it this way, it was OK to associate with Ayers. Maybe McCain can ask Obama about Osama ?

Somehow, you dems seem to think it's OK for Obama to have ties with Ayers ? A unrepented terrorist hat had ties to killing innocent Americans and government, state property .

[penchief]

When are you going to say it is OK to associate with Osama Bin Ladin?

It's better to ask the Bush family or the Reagan neocons about that one.

[ROYC75]

It's better to ask the Bush family or the Reagan neocons about that one.


You wouldn't find that shit today...... Learn from the past, at least we should.

A lot can be said about wisdom and knowledge ........ Obama knew it was wrong, but did it anyways.

[penchief]

You wouldn't find that shit today...... Learn from the past, at least we should.

A lot can be said about wisdom and knowledge ........ Obama knew it was wrong, but did it anyways.

So does the Bush family but they keep right on consorting with bin Ladens of Saudi Arabia.

[Sully]

OK, whatever, you say it was not bad judgment on Obama. That it is OK to associate with Bill Ayers ?

When are you going to say it is OK to associate with Osama Bin Ladin ?
Can you answer, please, we would like to know this one .

I hope the question gets to the debate and Obama calls it this way, it was OK to associate with Ayers. Maybe McCain can ask Obama about Osama ?

Somehow, you dems seem to think it's OK for Obama to have ties with Ayers ? A unrepented terrorist hat had ties to killing innocent Americans and government, state property .

It all depends on how you want to define "associate," doesn't it?
You want to pretend that Ayers...how did you put it...helped "shape" Obama's political career (with 0 evidence). But essentially, they sat in the same room. Do you have evidence of the contrary?

So if someone sat in the same room with Bin Laden...would you also call that "associating" with him?

[penchief]

You wouldn't find that shit today...... Learn from the past, at least we should.

A lot can be said about wisdom and knowledge ........ Obama knew it was wrong, but did it anyways.

Oh, I see how it is. Your guys are allowed to make political miscalculations for reasons of power and greed that actually end up costing this country dearly. But the other guy can't even be associated with good works if that means he may cross paths with someone who has an infamous past.

[banyon]

OK, whatever, you say it was not bad judgment on Obama. That it is OK to associate with Bill Ayers ?

When are you going to say it is OK to associate with Osama Bin Ladin ?
Can you answer, please, we would like to know this one .

Like I said, I have served on board, have you done background checks on everyone you've ever had any activity with? I haven't, there could certainly be a person or two with a felony record on either of the boards I serve on.

I hope the question gets to the debate and Obama calls it this way, it was OK to associate with Ayers. Maybe McCain can ask Obama about Osama ?

I don't think you do want that question asked, because it will be as easily explained as I am explaining it to you now, except that most people listening will be able to understand the answer. Plus there will be a really easy retort about Charles Keating.

Somehow, you dems seem to think it's OK for Obama to have ties with Ayers ? A unrepented terrorist hat had ties to killing innocent Americans and government, state property .

Good lord, you just make up whatever you want, don't you. Ayers didn't kill anyone. And how does one kill government or state property? :spock:

[banyon]

It all depends on how you want to define "associate," doesn't it?
You want to pretend that Ayers...how did you put it...helped "shape" Obama's political career (with 0 evidence). But essentially, they sat in the same room. Do you have evidence of the contrary?

So if someone sat in the same room with Bin Laden...would you also call that "associating" with him?

RUMSFELD SHOOK HUSSEIN'S HAND AND MCCAIN HAS BEEN IN THE SAME ROOM AS RUMSFELD, MCCAIN IS CLEARLY PALLING AROUND WITH BRUTAL DICTATORS AND MURDERING TERRORISTS!!! THERE'S ONLY TWO DEGREES OF SEPARATION!

http://justimage.org/blog/media/1/20061229-rumsfeld-hussein.jpg

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2008/01/17/mccain/story.jpg

[Calcountry]

I saw that on Meet the Press this morning. I'm not really surprised. She's a ruthlessly ambitious **nt.Sexist.

[ROYC75]

It all depends on how you want to define "associate," doesn't it?
You want to pretend that Ayers...how did you put it...helped "shape" Obama's political career (with 0 evidence). But essentially, they sat in the same room. Do you have evidence of the contrary?

So if someone sat in the same room with Bin Laden...would you also call that "associating" with him?

You really don't know, do you .

They worked on the same community board years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

Ayers had more to do with Obama getting started than Obama or Ayers wants to admit to.

[Calcountry]

I'd wager that this forum has been home to plenty of similar comments about Hillary Clinton.I have never called her that, a Bitch maybe, but never the C word.

[Calcountry]

I don't use the c-bomb often, and I'm a vulgar motherf***er. Saying that Obama "pals around with terrorists" is a **nt-level transgression.Check the facts much?

[Sully]

You really don't know, do you .

They worked on the same community board years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

Ayers had more to do with Obama getting started than Obama or Ayers wants to admit to.

Yes. They worked on the same community board...what's so hard for you to understand about that? Why do you keep pretending that's more than it is? Are you acting dumb, here...or is this for real?

Also...do you have the same concerns about McCain's judgment concerning Libby? Or is this just the same old politics to you (meaning, if a Dem does it, it's inherently evil, America-hating, and bad, but if it's a Rep...then it can be explained away)?

[Calcountry]

And the Bush's are business associates with the bin Ladens but I guess that doesn't count. And their associations with the bin Ladens and the authoritarian Saudi regime can be considered a direct link to the resentment and hatred that serves as a breeding ground for radical anti-American Islamic terrorists.

Also, the biggest domestic terrorist this country has ever known was the ultra-right wing Timothy McVeigh, an example of the kind of people that Rush Limbaugh and their ilk target as soldiers in their movement to turn this country into an intolerant fascist regime. And Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama only speak to those zealots, as well.Bush isn't running.

[penchief]

Bush isn't running.

No, but his ideology is.

[Sully]

Bush isn't running.

But for all intents and purposes, his proxy is.

[KCChiefsfan88]

And Sarah Palin "pals around" with the Alaska Independence Party (a party that her husband was a member of). She addressed the 2006 Alaska Independence Party convention saying "Keep up the good work, and God bless you".

What is this "good work" that she is asking God to bless? Complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska and the repatriation of lands held by the federal gov't to the people of Alaska. Sounds similar to the rhetoric that far right militia terrorists such as Timothy McVeigh preached and bought into.

Maybe if Sarah Palin ever musters up the courage to do another interview again, someone can press the Alaskan skank on the matter

[Friendo]

And Sarah Palin "pals around" with the Alaska Independence Party (a party that her husband was a member of). She addressed the 2006 Alaska Independence Party convention saying "Keep up the good work, and God bless you".

What is this "good work" that she is asking God to bless? Complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska and the repatriation of lands held by the federal gov't to the people of Alaska. Sounds similar to the rhetoric that far right militia terrorists such as Timothy McVeigh preached and bought into.

Maybe if Sarah Palin ever musters up the courage to do another interview again, someone can press the Alaskan skank on the matter

I'm sure Sean "Puffy" Hannity would do a bang-up job.

[banyon]

Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.

I haven't heard this allegation before. Do you have any reasonably independent source for this?

[ROYC75]

I haven't heard this allegation before. Do you have any reasonably independent source for this?


I'm looking for it again, in the meantime you can read this, this places Obama and Ayers together for at least a 7 year period,1988 to 1995 when Obama ran for the IL senate, however I would bet it was longer.

http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/05/when-did-barack-obama-meet-bill-ayers.html


I'll keep digging for it..... post it when I get it back up .

[ROYC75]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081006/ap_on_el_pr/palin

News reports pointed out that Obama was eight years old at the time of Weather Underground bombings and that the two men do not know each other well although they live in the same Chicago neighborhood, have served on a charity board together and Ayers hosted a meet-the-candidate event when Obama first ran for state office in the mid-1990s.

[banyon]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081006/ap_on_el_pr/palin

That's a report citing other reports.

[ROYC75]

More connections ..... Some Obama denies .

http://townhall.com/Columnists/GuyBenson/2008/04/24/debunking_obamas_ayers_fact_sheet

[BIG_DADDY]

And Sarah Palin "pals around" with the Alaska Independence Party (a party that her husband was a member of). She addressed the 2006 Alaska Independence Party convention saying "Keep up the good work, and God bless you".

What is this "good work" that she is asking God to bless? Complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska and the repatriation of lands held by the federal gov't to the people of Alaska. Sounds similar to the rhetoric that far right militia terrorists such as Timothy McVeigh preached and bought into.

Maybe if Sarah Palin ever musters up the courage to do another interview again, someone can press the Alaskan skank on the matter

LMAO

[BIG_DADDY]

RUMSFELD SHOOK HUSSEIN'S HAND AND MCCAIN HAS BEEN IN THE SAME ROOM AS RUMSFELD, MCCAIN IS CLEARLY PALLING AROUND WITH BRUTAL DICTATORS AND MURDERING TERRORISTS!!! THERE'S ONLY TWO DEGREES OF SEPARATION!

http://justimage.org/blog/media/1/20061229-rumsfeld-hussein.jpg

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2008/01/17/mccain/story.jpg

LMAO

[BIG_DADDY]

You guys are clearly wacked.

[banyon]

More connections ..... Some Obama denies .

http://townhall.com/Columnists/GuyBenson/2008/04/24/debunking_obamas_ayers_fact_sheet

Looks like you've already exhausted your search for that independently objective fact finding, huh? Back to the rumor mill grindstone, ho-hum.

[ROYC75]

Obama still met with Ayers after he was a IL senator. In 2002 , after the 911. Wasn't the Ayers comments right after 911 ? I could be wrong on his one, anyways, here's something else for ya .

http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/rezkowatch-terrorist-donations-to-obama.html

In November 1997, Ayers and Obama participated in a panel at the University of Chicago entitled Should a child ever be called a "super predator?" to debate "the merits of the juvenile justice system".

In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois state senator, participated together at a conference entitled "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?" sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis" panel.

[banyon]

Dude, MarathonPundit blogger sez they were on a panel together with 4 other people after 9-11?

BALLGAME! YOU HAVE SINGLEHANDEDLY WON THE ELECTION FOR MCCAIN, THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY OUT OF THIS FOR OBAMA!!!

[PRIEST]

Kim Jong Il is rooting for Obama (http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2008/7/14/obama-offers-change-kim-jong-il-can-believe-in.html).





Oh please & Taliban Al Qaeda , Iran , sierra Go Obama :doh!:

[ROYC75]

More info that Obama lied about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Board .

http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/10/where-are-we-now-update-on-ayersobama.html

[|Zach|]

Looks like you've already exhausted your search for that independently objective fact finding, huh? Back to the rumor mill grindstone, ho-hum.

ROFL

[ROYC75]

Dude, MarathonPundit blogger sez they were on a panel together with 4 other people after 9-11?

BALLGAME! YOU HAVE SINGLEHANDEDLY WON THE ELECTION FOR MCCAIN, THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY OUT OF THIS FOR OBAMA!!!

Link ? I have never seen that one .....

The fact is you don't want to accept the fact that Obama has deeper ties to Ayers is mind boggling to me .

Do I admit that McCain should have stayed away from the Keating5 fiasco ? Yes I did, although he was found innocent of any crime, I know he had something to do with it, same as Sen John Glenn.

Obots just do not wish to hear anything bad about their candidate.

[banyon]

Link ? I have never seen that one ....

Link? I was making fun of your link. Are you that dense?

The fact is you don't want to accept the fact that Obama has deeper ties to Ayers is mind boggling to me .

I guess the fact that you will believe whatever is posted on the internet about Obama and Ayers without corroboration is mind boggling to me.

[ROYC75]

Link? I was making fun of your link. Are you that dense?



I guess the fact that you will believe whatever is posted on the internet about Obama and Ayers without corroboration is mind boggling to me.

You have single handedly convinced me you like to blow smoke up peoples ass's .......

You believe Mr. Obot, I do not. That is where it is at .

[banyon]

You have single handedly convinced me you like to blow smoke up peoples ass's .......

You believe Mr. Obot, I do not. That is where it is at .

I asked for proof and you've provided bupkus, that's where we are at.

[BIG_DADDY]

I saw that on Meet the Press this morning. I'm not really surprised. She's a ruthlessly ambitious **nt.

Oh go kill yourself. LMAO

[|Zach|]

So Roy doesn't know what a fact is.

Not surprising.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Oh go kill yourself. LMAO

Your hardon for me is approaching pit bull proportions. Perhaps I should send you a headdress for you to put on a mannequin, so you can assfuck him in your rape stand.

[Mecca]

I asked for proof and you've provided bupkus, that's where we are at.

Roy will believe anything the GOP tells him he doesn't need links.

[VAChief]

Roy will believe anything the GOP tells him he doesn't need links.

The voting block McNasty has solidly in his camp.

[Donger]

I don't think that Barack Hussein "pals" around with terrorists/Ayers. I think he does know him and that he accepted his assistance knowing what he did in order to forward his political ambitions.

Change, you can believe in.

[WilliamTheIrish]

... I could be wrong on his one, ...

Truer words have never been written.

[banyon]

I don't think that Barack Hussein "pals" around with terrorists/Ayers. I think he does know him and that he accepted his assistance knowing what he did in order to forward his political ambitions.

Change, you can believe in.

Do you have proof today, or are you going to be clowned-out a-la ROYC75 as well?

[VAChief]

I don't think that Barack Hussein "pals" around with terrorists/Ayers. I think he does know him and that he accepted his assistance knowing what he did in order to forward his political ambitions.

Change, you can believe in.

Does McNasty's seemingly closer associations with Liddy and Keating give you more pause, less, the same?

[Donger]

Do you have proof today, or are you going to be clowned-out a-la ROYC75 as well?

Did Barack Hussein not launch his political career in Ayer's house?

[PRIEST]

If this is real Palin has some explaining to do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAWM7E_WMfo

[banyon]

Did Barack Hussein not launch his political career in Ayer's house?

Correct, he did not.

[Donger]

Correct, he did not.

Really?

"Information about the pair's connection has been dribbling out over the past few months. Obama first met Ayers in 1995, during Obama's first state Senate campaign, and the two met with a small group of local liberal activists at Ayers' house. Exact details of the meeting are unkown because Obama and Ayers have declined to discuss it."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/20/politics/politico/main4029480.shtml

[banyon]

Really?

"Information about the pair's connection has been dribbling out over the past few months. Obama first met Ayers in 1995, during Obama's first state Senate campaign, and the two met with a small group of local liberal activists at Ayers' house. Exact details of the meeting are unkown because Obama and Ayers have declined to discuss it."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/20/politics/politico/main4029480.shtml

You: "Obama launced his political career in the home of a terrorist"

Source: "Obama and Ayers met in 1995 and little is known about the meeting"

[Donger]

You: "Obama launced his political career in the home of a terrorist"

Source: "Obama and Ayers met in 1995 and little is known about the meeting"

The source as listed said this: "Obama first met Ayers in 1995, during Obama's first state Senate campaign, and the two met with a small group of local liberal activists at Ayers' house."

I assume that since it was "during Obama's first state Senate campaign," it is reasonable to assume that it was during Barack Hussein's political infancy.

You see an issue with that assumption?

[banyon]

The source as listed said this: "Obama first met Ayers in 1995, during Obama's first state Senate campaign, and the two met with a small group of local liberal activists at Ayers' house."

I assume that since it was "during Obama's first state Senate campaign," it is reasonable to assume that it was during Barack Hussein's political infancy.

You see an issue with that assumption?

No, I see an issue with the way you have hedged back from your initial charges.

[Donger]

No, I see an issue with the way you have hedged back from your initial charges.

I have not done so.

[NewPhin]

It's okay. McCain's supporters don't say he pals around with them. They say he is one:
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[vailpass]

I can't wait until Cronus & Red eliminate fatheads such as this year's POTUS candidates and return us to the days of lean and mean government.

[banyon]

I have not done so.

Yes you have. You dropped the words "launched his political career" which is quite a different charge.

[Donger]

Yes you have. You dropped the words "launched his political career" which is quite a different charge.

Would you accept "held a campaign event at Ayers' home during his early political career"?

[banyon]

Would you accept "held a campaign event at Ayers' home during his early political career"?

Yes.

[Donger]

Yes.

Thank you. And, would you agree with my original premise?

"I don't think that Barack Hussein "pals" around with terrorists/Ayers. I think he does know him and that he accepted his assistance knowing what he did in order to forward his political ambitions."

[banyon]

Thank you. And, would you agree with my original premise?

"I don't think that Barack Hussein "pals" around with terrorists/Ayers. I think he does know him and that he accepted his assistance knowing what he did in order to forward his political ambitions."

No, specifically there is no proof whatsoever of the bolded parts.

[banyon]

By, the way, for you people who actually think this is a serious problem America should be concerned about, why?

Do you think we can't trust him because he is in cahoots with terrorists?

How many days is it you think will pass after he is in the White House before he hands the nuclear launch codes over to Osama Bin Laden?

If you are really taking this seriously, shouldn't you be buying an underground bunker and getting prepared for when Obama uses our Aircraft carriers to unleash the Guantanamo prisoners and Taliban shipped in from Afghanistan on DC to achieve a Muslim coup d'etat?

[|Zach|]

By, the way, for you people who actually think this is a serious problem America should be concerned about, why?

Do you think we can't trust him because he is in cahoots with terrorists?

How many days is it you think will pass after he is in the White House before he hands the nuclear launch codes over to Osama Bin Laden?

If you are really taking this seriously, shouldn't you be buying an underground bunker and getting prepared for when Obama uses our Aircraft carriers to unleash the Guantanamo prisoners and Taliban shipped in from Afghanistan on DC to achieve a Muslim coup d'etat?

:)

[SHTSPRAYER]

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Obama_Logo_Diversity.gif

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[Friendo]

By, the way, for you people who actually think this is a serious problem America should be concerned about, why?

Do you think we can't trust him because he is in cahoots with terrorists?

How many days is it you think will pass after he is in the White House before he hands the nuclear launch codes over to Osama Bin Laden?

If you are really taking this seriously, shouldn't you be buying an underground bunker and getting prepared for when Obama uses our Aircraft carriers to unleash the Guantanamo prisoners and Taliban shipped in from Afghanistan on DC to achieve a Muslim coup d'etat?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHQ_aTjXObs

[VAChief]

By, the way, for you people who actually think this is a serious problem America should be concerned about, why?

Do you think we can't trust him because he is in cahoots with terrorists?

How many days is it you think will pass after he is in the White House before he hands the nuclear launch codes over to Osama Bin Laden?

If you are really taking this seriously, shouldn't you be buying an underground bunker and getting prepared for when Obama uses our Aircraft carriers to unleash the Guantanamo prisoners and Taliban shipped in from Afghanistan on DC to achieve a Muslim coup d'etat?

Following the logic from the right, the reason we haven't caught Bin Laden is because Bush was in cahoots with his family from the start. It was all a smoke screen for the "real" agenda. Bush was a hater from the start. You'll see it will all come out later (couldn't resist the Roy paraphrase at the end).

[Donger]

No, specifically there is no proof whatsoever of the bolded parts.

Seems to me like there are two possibilities:

1) Barack Hussein knew who Ayers was and chose to ignore it, I assume because it would be of some benefit to him.

2) Barack Hussein did not not who Ayers was and believed it would benefit him.

Which do you think it is?

[VAChief]

What's the deal with Palin's right hand in that photo? It looks a little like a bandage, but kind of a weird place for that size.

[VAChief]

Seems to me like there are two possibilities:

1) Barack Hussein knew who Ayers was and chose to ignore it, I assume because it would be of some benefit to him.

2) Barack Hussein did not not who Ayers was and believed it would benefit him.

Which do you think it is?

I think there is a much better chance he didn't know what Ayers was involved with than McNasty knew about his good friends Liddy and Keating.

[Donger]

I think there is a much better chance he didn't know what Ayers was involved with than McNasty knew about his good friends Liddy and Keating.

As I understand it, McCain acknowledges his error. Does Barack Hussein?

[Programmer]

His policies are the same. Show me where they aren't. Do you really buy into the lip-service rhetoric about John McCain changing Washington? I mean, come on. he's touting the same economic policies and the same international policies. He has the same 'my way or the highway' approach to governing as Bush does and he has shown in this campaign by employing Rove disciples and Rove tactics that winning comes before truth and honor, just like Bush.

Point out to me, aside from his campaign lip-service rhetoric, where his policies are different in any fundamental way from Bush's. You can't.

Why try? You have just said that it can't be done. You believe differently than I do regarding the difference. So be it. I don't care to spend time trying to convince a brick.

[banyon]

Seems to me like there are two possibilities:

1) Barack Hussein knew who Ayers was and chose to ignore it, I assume because it would be of some benefit to him.

2) Barack Hussein did not not who Ayers was and believed it would benefit him.

Which do you think it is?

Having just started his political career and not knowing many people or having a staff full of background checkers, I'd assume the latter.

[Donger]

Having just started his political career and not knowing many people or having a staff full of background checkers, I'd assume the latter.

Wouldn't you prefer not to assume?

[banyon]

Wouldn't you prefer not to assume?

You're the one making allegations, I don't really have to assume anything.

[VAChief]

As I understand it, McCain acknowledges his error. Does Barack Hussein?

McNasty acknowledges his error in palling around with Liddy? Really, I have never seen him talk about him as anything but a swell American. Someone "he was proud of."

The Keating mess what could he say? I'm proud I took hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign funds from this guy, and then met with regulators in an attempt to sway them not to investigate him even though thousands of Americans lost their asses from this charlatan? He was fortunate to get off with a slap on the wrist.

Obama has said he does not agree with anything Ayers stood for although I don't think it will really matter to the crowd bringing this up again. Its not about whether they believe he really has an association, just like McCain never fathered a black baby in South Carolina. You just have to raise the suspicion and let the mindless ones take it all in.

[Donger]

You're the one making allegations, I don't really have to assume anything.

I would think that anyone would hope that Barack Hussein would be forthcoming about his relationship with Ayers.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Let’s first review CAC’s initial setup. In the first year, 1995, Obama headed the board, which made fiscal decisions, and Ayers co-chaired the Collaborative, which set education policy. During that first year, Obama’s formal responsibilities mandated close cooperation and coordination with the Collaborative. As board chair and president of the CAC corporation, Obama was authorized to “delegate to the Collaborative the development of collaborative projects and programs . . . to obtain assistance of the Collaborative in the development of requests for proposals . . . and to seek advice from the Collaborative regarding the programmatic aspects of grant proposals.” All this clearly involves significant consultation between the board, headed by Obama, and the Collaborative, co-chaired by Ayers.

During this initial year of 1995, Ayers also sat as an ex officio member of the board. The Obama campaign is trying to minimize his cooperation with Ayers by counting the number of board meetings where both sat together. That will not do. For one thing, as long as we’re counting occasions on which Obama and Ayers were together, the Obama campaign omits Obama’s appearances before the Collaborative, when it was co-chaired by Ayers. In 1995, Obama and Ayers also sat together on the board’s Governance Committee, with at least one independently scheduled meeting, and who knows how many others. Ayers and Obama were also part of a group of four instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern CAC. Surely that endeavor would have involved significant interaction between them. Then there’s the question of unrecorded meetings of both the board and the Collaborative. For example, the archives contain an intriguing note indicating that, although a CAC board meeting took place on July 25, 1995, “No minutes were recorded.” Were Ayers and Obama both present at that meeting? More important, what took place there?

The partnership between Ayers and Obama is about much more than the number of occasions on which the two were recorded together in the same room. As CAC board chair, Obama was essentially authorizing the funding of Ayers’s own educational projects, and the projects of Ayers’s radical allies. And especially in CAC’s first year, Ayers was largely in charge of the process. One of CAC’s own evaluations notes that during 1995, CAC was a “Founder-Led Foundation.” That is, Ayers was not merely an ex officio board member that year, but as the key founder and guiding spirit of CAC, he was effectively running the show.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTViMGRmMmYxZTgwZTFjYmFjODU5YzM4Y2MwM2ViMjY=

[banyon]

I would think that anyone would hope that Barack Hussein would be forthcoming about his relationship with Ayers.

He has. He denounces his forty year old political acts and denounced Ayers' beliefs at the time. Then he went on to say the following:

"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."

[VAChief]

I would think that anyone would hope that Barack Hussein would be forthcoming about his relationship with Ayers.

Your assuming he hasn't. Just because you think there is more to hear doesn't make it true. There may be more, but what proof is there that suggests there is more? It is sort of like the old question "Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?"

[Donger]

Let’s first review CAC’s initial setup. In the first year, 1995, Obama headed the board, which made fiscal decisions, and Ayers co-chaired the Collaborative, which set education policy. During that first year, Obama’s formal responsibilities mandated close cooperation and coordination with the Collaborative. As board chair and president of the CAC corporation, Obama was authorized to “delegate to the Collaborative the development of collaborative projects and programs . . . to obtain assistance of the Collaborative in the development of requests for proposals . . . and to seek advice from the Collaborative regarding the programmatic aspects of grant proposals.” All this clearly involves significant consultation between the board, headed by Obama, and the Collaborative, co-chaired by Ayers.

During this initial year of 1995, Ayers also sat as an ex officio member of the board. The Obama campaign is trying to minimize his cooperation with Ayers by counting the number of board meetings where both sat together. That will not do. For one thing, as long as we’re counting occasions on which Obama and Ayers were together, the Obama campaign omits Obama’s appearances before the Collaborative, when it was co-chaired by Ayers. In 1995, Obama and Ayers also sat together on the board’s Governance Committee, with at least one independently scheduled meeting, and who knows how many others. Ayers and Obama were also part of a group of four instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern CAC. Surely that endeavor would have involved significant interaction between them. Then there’s the question of unrecorded meetings of both the board and the Collaborative. For example, the archives contain an intriguing note indicating that, although a CAC board meeting took place on July 25, 1995, “No minutes were recorded.” Were Ayers and Obama both present at that meeting? More important, what took place there?

The partnership between Ayers and Obama is about much more than the number of occasions on which the two were recorded together in the same room. As CAC board chair, Obama was essentially authorizing the funding of Ayers’s own educational projects, and the projects of Ayers’s radical allies. And especially in CAC’s first year, Ayers was largely in charge of the process. One of CAC’s own evaluations notes that during 1995, CAC was a “Founder-Led Foundation.” That is, Ayers was not merely an ex officio board member that year, but as the key founder and guiding spirit of CAC, he was effectively running the show.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTViMGRmMmYxZTgwZTFjYmFjODU5YzM4Y2MwM2ViMjY=

I would guess that that is accurate. I don't think Barack Hussein subscribes to Ayers' radical beliefs, but I do believe that he is a political whore.

[Donger]

He has. He denounces his forty year old political acts and denounced Ayers' beliefs at the time. Then he went on to say the following:

"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."

Funny he didn't mention having a rally at his house, eh?

[SHTSPRAYER]

I believe that he is a political whore.

I agree.

[banyon]

Funny he didn't mention having a rally at his house, eh?

If I ran for political office here, I'd probably have a meeting in someone's house too without hiring a private investigator to do background checks on everyone who would be there.

Should we really go back through McCain's 26 year Senate career and see if there was anything wrong with any of the tens of thousands of homeowners he has visited on the campaign trail?

[Donger]

Do Barack Hussein followers really believe that he is only going to raise taxes on "the rich"? If so, what will your reaction be when he raises other taxes?

[Donger]

If I ran for political office here, I'd probably have a meeting in someone's house too without hiring a private investigator to do background checks on everyone who would be there.

Should we really go back through McCain's 26 year Senate career and see if there was anything wrong with any of the tens of thousands of homeowners he has visited on the campaign trail?

Sure.

[VAChief]

I agree.

Political whore, isn't that redundant?

[SHTSPRAYER]

I think all the barnstorming Sarah did over the weekend drummed up alot of interest in tomorrow evenings debate.

[SHTSPRAYER]

Political whore, isn't that redundant?

Not all whores are political.

[VAChief]

Do Barack Hussein followers really believe that he is only going to raise taxes on "the rich"? If so, what will your reaction be when he raises other taxes?

Are you certain about McNasty's policies? Do you want that angry fool with the Napoleon Complex to have to the launch codes?

[banyon]

Sure.

Take solace in the fact that you've failed abysmally to prove the initial charge that he "palled around with Ayers" as your venomous and vindictive VP vixen has voiced.

[Donger]

Are you certain about McNasty's policies? Do you want that angry fool with the Napoleon Complex to have to the launch codes?

Nope.

[Donger]

Take solace in the fact that you've failed abysmally to prove the initial charge that he "palled around with Ayers" as your venomous and vindictive VP candiate has voiced.

I don't care what Palin says. The fact remains that Barack Hussein met with and benefited from a campaign event with Ayers, an unrepentant domestic terrorist.

If you're fine with that, great.

[banyon]

I don't care what Palin says. The fact remains that Barack Hussein met with and benefited from a campaign event with Ayers, an unrepentant domestic terrorist.

If you're fine with that, great.

You didn't prove this bolded part either.

[SHTSPRAYER]

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge stands as Barack Obama’s most important executive experience to date. By its own account, CAC was a largely a failure. And a series of critical evaluations point to reasons for that failure, including a poor strategy, to which the foundation over-committed in 1995, and over-reliance on community organizers with insufficient education expertise. The failure of CAC thus raises entirely legitimate questions, both about Obama’s competence, his alliances with radical community organizers, and about Ayers’s continuing influence over CAC and its board, headed by Obama. Above all, by continuing to fund Ayers’s personal projects, and those of his political-educational allies, Obama was lending moral and material support to Ayers’s profoundly radical efforts. Ayers’s terrorist history aside, that makes the Ayers-Obama relationship a perfectly legitimate issue in this campaign.

[Donger]

You didn't prove this bolded part either.

He was elected, wasn't he?

[banyon]

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge stands as Barack Obama’s most important executive experience to date. By its own account, CAC was a largely a failure. And a series of critical evaluations point to reasons for that failure, including a poor strategy, to which the foundation over-committed in 1995, and over-reliance on community organizers with insufficient education expertise. The failure of CAC thus raises entirely legitimate questions, both about Obama’s competence, his alliances with radical community organizers, and about Ayers’s continuing influence over CAC and its board, headed by Obama. Above all, by continuing to fund Ayers’s personal projects, and those of his political-educational allies, Obama was lending moral and material support to Ayers’s profoundly radical efforts. Ayers’s terrorist history aside, that makes the Ayers-Obama relationship a perfectly legitimate issue in this campaign.

Why wouldn't you quote and link other people's words? Who do you think you are, Joe Biden?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTViMGRmMmYxZTgwZTFjYmFjODU5YzM4Y2MwM2ViMjY=&w=MQ

[banyon]

He was elected, wasn't he?

That doesn't prove the bolded part in the least.

[Donger]

That doesn't prove the bolded part in the least.

Considering he was elected, it certainly didn't hurt.

[tiptap]

How many Republicans were on these boards at the same time?

[banyon]

Considering he was elected, it certainly didn't hurt.

That's a standard of proof?

[Donger]

That's a standard of proof?

Sure. It didn't hurt, since he was still elected. One could also say that, considering that, it benefited him.

[ROYC75]

Really?

"Information about the pair's connection has been dribbling out over the past few months. Obama first met Ayers in 1995, during Obama's first state Senate campaign, and the two met with a small group of local liberal activists at Ayers' house. Exact details of the meeting are unkown because Obama and Ayers have declined to discuss it."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/20/politics/politico/main4029480.shtml

Wrong, Obama 1st met Ayers in 1988 , they had some connections prior to the 1995 .

Oh banyon, Obama did meet in Ayers house and they discussed his political ambitions.

[StcChief]

Wrong, Obama 1st met Ayers in 1988 , they had some connections prior to the 1995 .

Oh banyon, Obama did meet in Ayers house and they discussed his political ambitions. why would this be a surprise..... both Lib just some a bit more than others.....

[banyon]

Sure. It didn't hurt, since he was still elected. One could also say that, considering that, it benefited him.

So, I guess you'd say that the assasination of Martin Luther King, Jr. benefitted Nixon, since he was reelected. And the Iran-Contra Scandal benefitted Republicans in 1988, since they won the presidency again. And the deaths of thousands of combat troops in Iraq also benefitted President Bush, as well as his cocaine usage and DUI's?

[banyon]

Wrong, Obama 1st met Ayers in 1988 , they had some connections prior to the 1995 .

Oh banyon, Obama did meet in Ayers house and they discussed his political ambitions.

Back for more, huh?

Why would they have to discuss Obama's political ambitions at his house in 1995?

[Donger]

So, I guess you'd say that the assasination of Martin Luther King, Jr. benefitted Nixon, since he was reelected. And the Iran-Contra Scandal benefitted Republicans in 1988, since they won the presidency again. And the deaths of thousands of combat troops in Iraq also benefitted President Bush, as well as his cocaine usage and DUI's?

Possibly, yes. It certainly didn't hurt them. Just as Barack Hussein's relationship with Ayers did not hurt him.

[banyon]

Possibly, yes. It certainly didn't hurt them. Just as Barack Hussein's relationship with Ayers did not hurt him.

That's a patently stupid standard, and I think you know better.

He may well have succeeded despite the negative impact it had, or it may have had no impact at all. Benefit means that it helped in a positive way.

[Donger]

That's a patently stupid standard, and I think you know better.

He may well have succeeded despite the negative impact it had, or it may have had no impact at all. Benefit means that it helped in a positive way.

I don't know for sure either way. I would think that Barack Hussein is a savvy enough politician to not do something that would be obviously deleterious to his career.

Neither do you, BTW, since he's been so tight-lipped about it.

[banyon]

I don't know for sure either way. I would think that Barack Hussein is a savvy enough politician to not do something that would be obviously deleterious to his career.

Neither do you, BTW, since he's been so tight-lipped about it.

He has directly addressed it. Giving it more credibility by repeatedly talking about it would be a terrible idea that is precisely what Kerry would have done andwhy Obama is going to succeed where he failed. He won't fall into these petty Republican traps.

[Donger]

He has directly addressed it. Giving it more credibility by repeatedly talking about it would be a terrible idea that is precisely what Kerry would have done andwhy Obama is going to succeed where he failed. He won't fall into these petty Republican traps.

If you consider pointing out that the DNC candidate for POTUS associated with a former, and unrepentant, domestic terrorist, I suppose you'd have that point of view.

[StcChief]

If you consider pointing out that the DNC candidate for POTUS associated with a former, and unrepentant, domestic terrorist, I suppose you'd have that point of view.shhhh stop with facts, it only confuses.

[ROYC75]

Look, Follow along here , Obama is hiding crap and you know it. Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication. The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate.

Then Obama still meets Ayers , as an IL Senator In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois state senator, participated together at a conference entitled "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?" sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis" panel.

This, almost 2 years after the Ayers comments ?

http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2...-to-obama.html

Ayers and Obama still refuse to speak of their connections , always dodging the questions and not giving straight up answers.

Obama has been traced back to 1988 with ties to Ayers in So. Chicago doing community service work and continued their associations over the next 14 years .

[irishjayhawk]

Look, Follow along here , Obama is hiding crap and you know it. Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication. The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate.

Then Obama still meets Ayers , as an IL Senator In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois state senator, participated together at a conference entitled "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?" sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis" panel.

This, almost 2 years after the Ayers comments ?

http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2...-to-obama.html

Ayers and Obama still refuse to speak of their connections , always dodging the questions and not giving straight up answers.

Obama has been traced back to 1988 with ties to Ayers in So. Chicago doing community service work and continued their associations over the next 14 years .

And McCain has the Keating 5. What's your point?

[banyon]

If you consider pointing out that the DNC candidate for POTUS associated with a former, and unrepentant, domestic terrorist, I suppose you'd have that point of view.

The "association" is so minimal as to be farcical, so yes, that's my point of view.

[banyon]

Look, Follow along here , Obama is hiding crap and you know it. Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication. The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate.

Then Obama still meets Ayers , as an IL Senator In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois state senator, participated together at a conference entitled "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?" sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis" panel.

This, almost 2 years after the Ayers comments ?

http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2...-to-obama.html

Ayers and Obama still refuse to speak of their connections , always dodging the questions and not giving straight up answers.

Obama has been traced back to 1988 with ties to Ayers in So. Chicago doing community service work and continued their associations over the next 14 years .


marathonpundit blogger again in the same thread! Damn that guy is a money source!

[ROYC75]

marathonpundit blogger again in the same thread! Damn that guy is a money source!


You still refuse to see that a few meetings turned into alot and Obama knew of Ayers pass terrorist aggressions, but yet Obama still had meetings with himbin 2002 , even after Ayers announced the famous lines in 2000.

Obots refuse to see the connections and it's like it doesn't matter because Ayers didn't do that anymore.

[banyon]

You still refuse to see that a few meetings turned into alot and Obama knew of Ayers pass terrorist aggressions, but yet Obama still had meetings with himbin 2002 , even after Ayers announced the famous lines in 2000.

Obots refuse to see the connections and it's like it doesn't matter because Ayers didn't do that anymore.

Hey, keep calling me an "Obot" and maybe that'll help you pretend as if you've proven something here.
Where are these "it turned into alot of meetings"(sic.)?