McCain's Association With Radical and Violent Terrorist Define Last Month of Campaign

[jAZ]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column
With friends like these ...
McCain finds his own radical friend

Steve Chapman
May 4, 2008

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What McCain didn't mention is that he has his own Bill Ayers -- in the form of G. Gordon Liddy. Now a conservative radio talk-show host, Liddy spent more than 4 years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him.

How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns -- including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

Which principles would those be? The ones that told Liddy it was fine to break into the office of the Democratic National Committee to plant bugs and photograph documents? The ones that made him propose to kidnap anti-war activists so they couldn't disrupt the 1972 Republican National Convention? The ones that inspired him to plan the murder (never carried out) of an unfriendly newspaper columnist?

Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history -- and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did, insisting that he went to jail as "a prisoner of war."

All this may sound like ancient history. But it's from the same era as the bombings Ayers helped carry out as a member of the Weather Underground.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004

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Liddy has acknowledged (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DYRty_4HT_8kC%26pg%3DPA169%26dq%3DOnly%2Bif%2Bther e%2Bwere%2Babsolutely%2Bno%2Bother%2Bway.%2BBut%2Byes%2C%2BI%2Bwould%2C%2Bif%2Bnecessary%2Bto%2Bprot ect%2Bmy%2Bmen.%2BI%2Bgave%2Bthem%2Bmy%2Bword%2BI%25E2%2580%2599d%2Bcover%2Bthem%26sig%3DACfU3U1wDwu oYxZdCxrISO-4oz4IFMztEA) preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in "if necessary"; plotting (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DYRty_4HT_8kC%26pg%3DPA208%26dq%3DI%2Btook%2Bthe%2 Bposition%2Bthat%2C%2Bin%2Ba%2Bhypothetical%2Bcase%2Bin%2Bwhich%2Bthe%2Btarget%26sig%3DACfU3U1O2hqX-x2w2V3ZLiAudAzZYsLtLw) to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DYRty_4HT_8kC%26pg%3DPA169%26dq%3DOnly%2Bif%2Bther e%2Bwere%2Babsolutely%2Bno%2Bother%2Bway.%2BBut%2Byes%2C%2BI%2Bwould%2C%2Bif%2Bnecessary%2Bto%2Bprot ect%2Bmy%2Bmen.%2BI%2Bgave%2Bthem%2Bmy%2Bword%2BI%25E2%2580%2599d%2Bcover%2Bthem%26sig%3DACfU3U1wDwu oYxZdCxrISO-4oz4IFMztEA%23PPA309%2CM1) with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DYRty_4HT_8kC%26pg%3DPA171%26dq%3DWe%2Bdevised%2Ba %2Bplan%2Bthat%2Bentailed%2Bbuying%26ei%3D0hrTSIybEoTkygSg3uDpAw%26sig%3DACfU3U3kI1DJ3zZ1TIhfgmILplU-GA0Vmg%23PPA171%2CM1) to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DYRty_4HT_8kC%26pg%3DPA197%26dq%3DWith%2BMagruder% 2Band%2BDean%2Bout%2Bto%2Blunch%2C%2BI%2Bfelt%2Bobliged%2Bto%2Bimpress%2BMitchell%2Bwith%2Bmy%2Bseri ousness%2Bof%2Bpurpose%2C%2Bthat%26sig%3DACfU3U0_veH7Y5W0hUPGaf28moOKxtDDKA) to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at the 1972 Republican National Convention -- a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Liddy has donated (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.opensecrets.org%2Findivs%2Fsearch.php%3Fname%3Dliddy%252C%2Bg%26state%3D%26zi p%3D%26employ%3D%26cand%3Dmccain%26all%3DY%26sort%3DN%26capcode%3Dbmv7j%26submit%3DSubmit) $5,000 to McCain's campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008 (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.nictusa.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Ffecimg%2F%3F28990643217). In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy's radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trumix.com%2Fpodshows%2F2943209). An online video (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D3888810765796113705%26vt%3Dlf%26hl%3Den) labeled "John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07" includes a discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an "old friend." During the segment, McCain praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great," said he was "proud" of Liddy, and said that "it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program."

Additionally, in 1998, Liddy reportedly (http://mediamatters.org/items/200809190012#20081004) held a fundraiser at his home for McCain. Liddy was reportedly scheduled to speak at another fundraiser for McCain in 2000. The Charlotte Observer reported on January 23, 2000, that McCain's campaign vouched for Liddy's "character":
His [McCain's] campaign officials said Liddy's character will appeal to many voters because he was following orders from President Nixon and kept silent afterward.

"His (Liddy's) judgment might be in question, but I don't think his character is," said Ed Walker, the York County chairman of McCain's campaign. "He was following orders just like any good soldier, and he didn't tell on anybody. He felt like he was on a mission and kept his silence."
Liddy's 2000 speech was reportedly canceled due to bad weather.

[NewPhin]

Liddy isn't a terrorist. He's an american-loving freedom fighter! [/con]

[splatbass]

Republicans are fine with that kind of stuff as long as it is their side doing it. They consider him a "patriot" for committing those crimes to help keep their party in power.

[jAZ]

Republicans are fine with that kind of stuff as long as it is their side doing it. They consider him a "patriot" for committing those crimes to help keep their party in power.
The silence suggests you are right.

[Radar Chief]

The silence suggests you are right.

Considering you guys are trying to dismiss Barry’s association with terrorists by claiming Gramp’s association with terrorists, I’m really unimpressed with the pointing and claiming hypocrite.

[ChiTown]

ROFL

[jAZ]

Considering you guys are trying to dismiss Barry’s association with terrorists by claiming Gramp’s association with terrorists, I’m really unimpressed with the pointing and claiming hypocrite.
You've just pinpointed the reason for deafening silence from the Repubilcans. They can't defend McCain against his associations without effectively defending Obama for lesser associations.

I will defend both from their association with these crazed radial loons. But that's not permissable for Repubilcans, because this seems to be their last bullet. So reason and dignity be damned, right?

[Radar Chief]

You've just pinpointed the reason for deafening silence from the Repubilcans. They can't defend McCain against his associations without effectively defending Obama for lesser associations.

I will defend both from their association with these crazed radial loons. But that's not permissable for Repubilcans, because this seems to be their last bullet. So reason and dignity be damned, right?

I’ve yet to read your defending of Gramps. Link please?

[RJ]

Ayers is a terrorist. Liddy is an eccentric.

[jAZ]

I’ve yet to read your defending of Gramps. Link please?

I actually left a sentence out of that post, but to be clear, I said "will" so pointing to that sentence and demanding a link to past statements is pointless.

But I will defend both men (plus a bonus defense of Palin). Almost all conservatives are going to have some association with Liddy, he's made himself into a reformed citizen who's an institution in Conservative politics. Palin's association with him had nothing to do with his violent terrorist efforts in the past. It had to do with his life as a reformed citizen. Same with McCain. Same with Obama and Ayers.

It's actually pretty easy, if you try it.

[Donger]

I was under the impression that Ayers' group actually carried out terrorist acts. Did Liddy?

[dirk digler]

I was under the impression that Ayers' group actually carried out terrorist acts. Did Liddy?

I wouldn't call them terrorist acts I would call them crimes which they were.

[Radar Chief]

I actually left a sentence out of that post, but to be clear, I said "will" so pointing to that sentence and demanding a link to past statements is pointless.

:spock: Pointless? Asking for proof of a claim is “pointless” now?

It's actually pretty easy, if you try it.

Thank you for the after thought defense. If I gave a shit about either candidate I might be more inclined to “try” but since I think they both stink due to their claimed positions and voting record, I’m not very motivated.

[KCJohnny]

Uh, let's see... who was tortured for 6 years by communists after being shot down over Viet Nam performing close air support for American ground troops? Obama?

[Donger]

I wouldn't call them terrorist acts I would call them crimes which they were.

Are you channeling Bill Clinton?

[dirk digler]

Are you channeling Bill Clinton?

I was talking about Liddy not Ayers

[BigCatDaddy]

I'm going to miss Jaz thread titles after the election. Anymore they are good for a laugh.

[jAZ]

:spock: Pointless? Asking for proof of a claim is “pointless” now?
Wow, I would have thought you understood the difference between past and future tense. I said "will" that future, as in "I will do it". I didn't not say "did" as in "I did it already". Seriously, you don't understand these basics of our nations (unoffiicial) language?
Thank you for the after thought defense. If I gave a shit about either candidate I might be more inclined to “try” but since I think they both stink due to their claimed positions and voting record, I’m not very motivated.
It's not an after thought. It's what I believed when I said I would offer the defense. But that's ok.

[PRIEST]

Ayers was never convicted of any crimes , unlike Keating McCain buddy Liddy who has committed treason against his Country again convicted felon 4 years in Prison .

In 1998 Liddy hosted a fundraiser at his house for John McCain's re-election campaign at which guests could have their pictures taken with McCain and Liddy.<sup id="cite_ref-5" class="reference">[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy#cite_note-5)</sup> Over the years, Liddy has made four contributions totaling $5,000 to Senator John McCain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain)'s campaigns -- including $1,000 in 2007. In November 2007 Senator John McCain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain), 2008 Presidential candidate, went on Liddy's radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain replied. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family... It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great." <sup id="cite_ref-friends_4-1" class="reference">[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Gordon_Liddy#cite_note-friends-4)</sup>

[jAZ]

Uh, let's see... who was tortured for 6 years by communists after being shot down over Viet Nam performing close air support for American ground troops? Obama?

POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11! POW! 9/11!

First it's Rudy, then it's Johnny, then it's Johnny's mini-me.

ROFL

[ROYC75]

They can't defend McCain against his associations without effectively defending Obama for lesser associations.

You really are full of shit ,this just proves it. LESSER ?

Now that is funny right there, no matter who you are.

[SBK]

I wish I could see the world through jAZ's eyes for a day or 2. Longer than that and I'd kill myself, but it'd be interesting to see what things look like from his point of view.

[Donger]

So, Liddy never carried out his plans, but WU did? Is that correct?

[Radar Chief]

Wow, I would have thought you understood the difference between past and future tense. I said "will" that future, as in "I will do it". I didn't not say "did" as in "I did it already". Seriously, you don't understand these basics of our nations (unoffiicial) language?

:rolleyes: It would be wise of you to at least use spell checker while bitching mindlessly about others grasp of our language.

It's not an after thought. It's what I believed when I said I would offer the defense. But that's ok.

You're right it’s ok, but it is an after thought since you posted it after your claim.
Grow the fuck up already and live with what you posted already.

[jAZ]

:rolleyes: It would be wise of you to at least use spell checker while bitching mindlessly about others grasp of our language.



You're right it’s ok, but it is an after thought since you posted it after your claim.
Grow the **** up already and live with what you posted already.
Actually, I'm bitching about your lack of substantive understanding of the concepts the language represents. I didn't bitch about your typos. That point having been made, I should have spell-checked my post.

[alpha_omega]

Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior.

[vailpass]

OMG, this is funny.
Jaz gets more wound up the closer the election gets, he's like a tea kettle on a hot flame. He just can't help what he spouts.
I hope the election gets here in time to keep you from blowing your top Jaz.

[ChiTown]

OMG, this is funny.
Jaz gets more wound up the closer the election gets, he's like a tea kettle on a hot flame. He just can't help what he spouts.
I hope the election gets here in time to keep you from blowing your top Jaz.

Let's just hope that's all he is blowing.............

[Taco John]

So, Liddy never carried out his plans, but WU did? Is that correct?


So let me get this straight. It's ok with you to plan terrorism, so long as you don't actually do it? Is that correct?

[dirk digler]

So, Liddy never carried out his plans, but WU did? Is that correct?

No Liddy committed crimes and went to jail. Ever heard of Watergate? :spock:

[Radar Chief]

Actually, I'm bitching about your lack of substantive understanding of the concepts the language represents. I didn't bitch about your typos. That point having been made, I should have spell-checked my post.

No, you just bitching to be an asshole.
You posted your defense, as requested. Had you done it and only that, without the snarky bitching included, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

[Laz]

Uh, let's see... who was tortured for 6 years by communists after being shot down over Viet Nam performing close air support for American ground troops? Obama?
the GOP's answer to everything

Edwards cheated on his wife and therefore we can't trust him to be potus/GOP

McCain cheated on his wife

But he's a POW!!!!!!/GOP

Obama was on a charity committee with a known radical and therefore we can trust him to be potus/GOP

McCain befriends a know radical

But he's a POW!!!/GOP




ROFLROFL

[Duck Dog]

OMG, this is funny.
Jaz gets more wound up the closer the election gets, he's like a tea kettle on a hot flame. He just can't help what he spouts.
I hope the election gets here in time to keep you from blowing your top Jaz.

Can you imagine how fucking sick his own family must be from hearing his rants day in and day out?

[jAZ]

I was under the impression that Ayers' group actually carried out terrorist acts. Did Liddy?
When you are playing the association game, it's all about the supposed ideological agreement.

Is Obama a radical willing to use violence agaisnt the military in order to stop a war he doesn't support!?!

Is McCain a radical willing to plot violent terrorist actions against his own nation in order to hold onto political power when peaceful democracy might lose that power?

[Donger]

So let me get this straight. It's ok with you to plan terrorism, so long as you don't actually do it? Is that correct?

No, it isn't. But I would say it's a little worse when it's actually carried out.

Wouldn't you?

[jAZ]

Justifying bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior.

Neither association is "bad behavior". That's the point.

[Donger]

No Liddy committed crimes and went to jail. Ever heard of Watergate? :spock:

Yes, for a burglary.

[jAZ]

No, it isn't. But I would say it's a little worse when it's actually carried out.

Wouldn't you?

When trying to play the association game, like you are... it's a distinction without a difference.

[Laz]

OMG, this is funny.
Jaz gets more wound up the closer the election gets, he's like a tea kettle on a hot flame. He just can't help what he spouts.
I hope the election gets here in time to keep you from blowing your top Jaz.
have you looked at the forum lately

many people are "more wound up"

[Donger]

When you are playing the association game, it's all about the supposed ideological agreement.

Is Obama a radical willing to use violence agaisnt the military in order to stop a war he doesn't support!?!

Is McCain a radical willing to plot violent terrorist actions against his own nation in order to hold onto political power when peaceful democracy might lose that power?

You are attempting to equate Ayers' past with Liddy's, no? That they were both terrorists?

If so, I think actions speak much louder than words.

[jAZ]

No, you just bitching to be an asshole.
You posted your defense, as requested. Had you done it and only that, without the snarky bitching included, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

And you'd be off the hook like you want. But alas, reality happened.

[Donger]

When trying to play the association game, like you are... it's a distinction without a difference.

I'm not playing the association game. You are.

The fact is that Liddy never carried out those plans. WU did.

Sorry.

[Radar Chief]

And you'd be off the hook like you want. But alas, reality happened.

Off what hook? You’re the one desperately trying to turn this into being about me.
Time to take off the waah panties and live up to what your doing, jAZ.

[ROYC75]

Is Obama a radical willing to use violence agaisnt the military in order to stop a war he doesn't support!?! What were Obama's comments after campaigning with Adinga, after the elections when Adinga had his villains attack Kenya voters and citizens, killing large amount of Kenyans ?


Is McCain a radical willing to plot violent terrorist actions against his own nation in order to hold onto political power when peaceful democracy might lose that power?

No, and all you want to link him to happened so long ago and these very same people are not supporting terrorist / and or extremist movements now with in the last 4 years .

Obama is just too risky with his judgment issues .

[penchief]

Uh, let's see... who was tortured for 6 years by communists after being shot down over Viet Nam performing close air support for American ground troops? Obama?

What does that have to do with McCain hiring a lobbyist for Saddam Hussein to head up his presidential transition team?

[vailpass]

Can you imagine how ****ing sick his own family must be from hearing his rants day in and day out?

LMAO
I'm guessing his wife is the same way he is or she has him living in a Residence Inn until the election is over.
I wonder if Jaz is that guy at the family gathering that makes everyone suddenly busy with something else when they see him coming for fear he'll start talking politics?

[dirk digler]

Yes, for a burglary.

Watergate was the biggest scandal to ever happen to a sitting President and Liddy was right in the middle of it.

He has not once apologized for it.

[dirk digler]

LMAO Liddy is a true American hero according to Donger

Liddy: When the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms thugs come to kill your wife and children, to try to disarm you and they open fire on you. When they come at the point of a gun, force and violence, when you're going to defend yourself, use that Gerand [M-1 rifle]. That thing is 30-06, and it'll take 'em right out.

[vailpass]

Watergate was the biggest scandal to ever happen to a sitting President and Liddy was right in the middle of it.

He has not once apologized for it.

Why should he apologize?

[Donger]

Watergate was the biggest scandal to ever happen to a sitting President and Liddy was right in the middle of it.

He has not once apologized for it.

I don't dispute that. But I'm sure that even jAZ would agree that was a burglary, not an act of domestic terrorism.

jAZ is making a rather feeble attempt to equate the two. They are not comparable.

[Donger]

LMAO Liddy is a true American hero according to Donger

I think Liddy's a nut-job.

[dirk digler]

Why should he apologize?

Umm because he committed a high crime and brought down a President.

He also was planning on killing people to keep it quiet but was overruled.

[dirk digler]

I don't dispute that. But I'm sure that even jAZ would agree that was a burglary, not an act of domestic terrorism.

jAZ is making a rather feeble attempt to equate the two. They are not comparable.

They aren't the same in the crimes they committed but they are both unapologetic about what the did.

I think the whole point is Libby supposedly rehabiliated himself and the cons love him but Ayers can't.

Kind of hypocritical IMHO.


I think Liddy's a nut-job.

I am glad to hear it.

[vailpass]

Umm because he committed a high crime and brought down a President.

He also was planning on killing people to keep it quiet but was overruled.

Liddy acted out of duty. The only difference between Liddy and a hundred others is that he got caught.
Can you put burning cigarettes out on your arm without blinking, simply by excercising will?

[Donger]

They aren't the same in the crimes they committed but they are both unapologetic about what the did.

I think the whole point is Libby supposedly rehabiliated himself and the cons love him but Ayers can't.

Kind of hypocritical IMHO.




I am glad to hear it.

Ayers' group KILLED people, Dirk.

[dirk digler]

The only difference between Liddy and a hundred others is that he got caught.
Can you put burning cigarettes out on your arm without blinking, simply by excercising will?

Are you suggesting that other Presidents have committed similar crimes?

When I was younger I could do that. :)

[vailpass]

Are you suggesting that other Presidents have committed similar crimes?

When I was younger I could do that. :)

Are you suggesting none did?

[dirk digler]

Ayer's group KILLED people, Dirk.

LMAO The only people that got killed was his own people. Since when do you care about dead terrorists? Are you going soft on us? :D

[dirk digler]

Are you suggesting none did?

I have no idea. I am not big on conspiracy theories.

[Donger]

LMAO The only people that got killed was his own people. Since when do you care about dead terrorists? Are you going soft on us? :D

February 13, 1970 - Several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department are bombed in the police parking lot; February 16, 1970: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen. No organization claims credit for either bombing.

[dirk digler]

February 13, 1970 - Several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department are bombed in the police parking lot; February 16, 1970: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen. No organization claims credit for either bombing.

My bad. I only read where 3 of his members were killed including his girlfriend when trying to build a nail bomb

[RJ]

February 13, 1970 - Several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department are bombed in the police parking lot; February 16, 1970: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen. No organization claims credit for either bombing.



Ayers did that?

[Donger]

Ayers did that?

Personally? I don't know. WU was suspected of it, however.

[Donger]

Here's a list of this peace-loving groups' activities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Weatherman_actions

[jAZ]

I don't dispute that. But I'm sure that even jAZ would agree that was a burglary, not an act of domestic terrorism.

Awesome! Can I play?

Libby's actions were part of an effort to subvert Democracy, not a property crime like Ayers'.

[Donger]

Awesome! Can I play?

Libby's actions were part of an effort to subvert Democracy, not a property crime like Ayers'.

Who is Libby?

[jAZ]

Ayers did that?

Personally? I don't know. WU was suspected of it, however.
Ooh! I wonder what deaths I can appear to attribute to Liddy and thereby associate with McCain and then assert that the GOP is suspected of!?!

[Donger]

Ooh! I wonder what deaths I can appear to attribute to Liddy and thereby associate with McCain and then assert that the GOP is suspected of!?!

You've lost your mind.

[Calcountry]

I don't dispute that. But I'm sure that even jAZ would agree that was a burglary, not an act of domestic terrorism.

jAZ is making a rather feeble attempt to equate the two. They are not comparable.He's an attorney and is allowed to do that under the elitist code of ethics.

[Donger]

* 18-June 22, 1969 – SDS National Convention held in Chicago, Illinois. Publication of "Weatherman" founding statement. Members seize control of SDS National Office.[1]

* July, 1969 – Members Bernardine Dohrn, Eleanor Raskin,[2] Dianne Donghi, Peter Clapp, David Millstone and Diana Oughton travel to Cuba and meet representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments.

* August 1969 – Weatherman member Linda Sue Evans travels to North Vietnam. Weatherman activists meet in Cleveland, Ohio, in preparation for "Days of Rage" protests scheduled for October, 1969 in Chicago.

* September 4, 1969 – Female members converge on South Hills High School in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where they run through the school shouting anti-war slogans and distributing literature promoting the “National Action.” The term "Pittsburgh 26" refers to the 26 women arrested in connection with this incident.

* September 24, 1969 – A group of members confront Chicago Police during a demonstration supporting the "National Action," and protesting the commencement of the Chicago Eight trial stemming from the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

* October 7, 1969 – The Haymarket Police Statue in Chicago is bombed; The Weathermen later claim credit for the bombing in their book, Prairie Fire.

* October 8-11, 1969 – The "Days of Rage" riots occur in Chicago, damaging a large amount of property. 287 Weatherman members are arrested, and some become fugitives when they fail to appear for trial in connection with their arrests.

* November-December, 1969 – A small number of Weatherman members join the first contingent of the Venceremos Brigade (VB) that departs for Cuba to harvest sugar cane.

* December 6, 1969 – Bombing of several Chicago Police cars parked in a precinct parking lot at 3600 North Halsted Street, Chicago. The WUO claims responsibility in Prairie Fire, stating it is a protest of the fatal police shooting of Illinois Black Panther Party leaders Fred Hampton and Mark Clark on December 4, 1969.

* December 27-31, 1969 – The Weathermen hold a "War Council" in Flint, Michigan, where they finalize their plans to change into an underground organization that will commit strategic acts of sabotage against the government. Thereafter they are called the "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO).

* February, 1970 – The WUO closes the SDS National Office in Chicago, concluding the major campus-based organization of the 1960s. The first contingent of the VB returns from Cuba and the second contingent departs. By mid-February the bulk of the leading WUO members go underground.

* February 13, 1970 - Several police vehicles of the Berkeley, California, Police Department are bombed in the police parking lot; February 16, 1970: A bomb is detonated at the Golden Gate Park branch of the San Francisco Police Department, killing one officer and injuring a number of other policemen. No organization claims credit for either bombing.

* March, 1970 – Warrants are issued for several WUO members, who become federal fugitives when they fail to appear for trial in Chicago.

* March 6, 1970 – 34 sticks of dynamite are discovered in the 13th Police District of Detroit, Michigan. During February and early March, 1970, members of the WUO, led by Bill Ayers, are reported to be in Detroit, for the purpose of bombing a police facility.[citation needed]

* March 6, 1970 – WUO members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins are killed in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, when a nailbomb they were constructing detonates. The bomb was intended to be planted at a non-commissioned officer's dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

* March 30, 1970 – Chicago Police discover a WUO "bomb factory" on Chicago’s north side. A subsequent discovery of a WUO "weapons cache" in a south side Chicago apartment several days later ends WUO activity in the city.

* April, 1970 – The FBI arrests WUO members Linda Sue Evans and Dianne Donghi are arrested in New York.

* April 2, 1970 – A federal grand jury in Chicago returns a number of indictments charging WUO members with violation of federal anti-riot laws. Also, a number of additional federal warrants charging "unlawful flight to avoid prosecution" are returned in Chicago based on the failure of WUO members to appear for trial in local cases. (The Anti-riot Law charges were later dropped in January, 1974.)

* May 10, 1970 – The National Guard Association building in Washington, D.C. is bombed.[citation needed]

* May 21, 1970 – The WUO releases its "Declaration of a State of War" communique under Bernardine Dohrn's name.

* June 6, 1970 – In a letter, the WUO claims credit for bombing of the San Francisco Hall of Justice, although no explosion has occurred. Months later, workmen locate an unexploded bomb.[citation needed]

* June 9, 1970 - The New York City Police headquarters is bombed by Jane Alpert and accomplices. The Weathermen state this is in response to "police repression."[citation needed]

* July 23, 1970 – A federal grand jury in Detroit, Michigan, returns indictments against a number of underground WUO members and former WUO members charging violations of various explosives and firearms laws. (These indictments were later dropped in October, 1973.)

* July 27, 1970 - The United States Army base at The Presidio in San Francisco is bombed on the 11th anniversary of the Cuban Revolution. [NYT, 7/27/70]

* September 12, 1970 – The WUO helps Dr. Timothy Leary escape from the California Men's Colony prison.

* October 8, 1970 - Bombing of Marin County courthouse. WUO states this is in retaliation for the killings of Jonathan Jackson, William Christmas, and James McClain. [NYT, 8/10/70]

* October 10, 1970 - A Queens traffic-court building is bombed. WUO claims this is to express support for the New York prison riots. [NYT, 10/10/70, p. 12]

* October 14, 1970 - The Harvard Center for International Affairs is bombed. WUO claims this is to protest the war in Vietnam. [NYT, 10/14/70, p. 30]

* December, 1970 – Fugitive WUO member Caroline Tanker, who fled the country for Cuba, is arrested by the FBI in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Fugitive WUO member Judith Alice Clark is arrested by the FBI in New York.

* March 1, 1971 - The United States Capitol is bombed. WUO states this is to protest the invasion of Laos. President Richard M. Nixon denounces the bombing as a "shocking act of violence that will outrage all Americans." [NYT, 3/2/71]

* April, 1971 – FBI agents discover an abandoned WUO "bomb factory" in San Francisco, California.

* August 29, 1971 - Bombing of the Office of California Prisons, allegedly in retaliation for the killing of George Jackson. [LAT, 8/29/71]

* September 17, 1971 - The New York Department of Corrections in Albany, New York is bombed, as per the WUO to protest the killing of 29 inmates at Attica State Penitentiary. [NYT, 9/18/71]

* October 15, 1971 - The bombing of William Bundy's office in the MIT research center. [NYT, 10/16/71]

* May 19, 1972 - Bombing of The Pentagon, "in retaliation for the U.S. bombing raid in Hanoi." [NYT, 5/19/72]

* May 18, 1973 - The bombing of the 103rd Police Precinct in New York. WUO states this is in response to the killing of 10-year-old black youth Clifford Glover by police.

* September 19, 1973 – A WUO member is arrested by the FBI in New York. Released on bond, this member again submerges into the underground.

* September 28, 1973 - The ITT headquarters in New York and Rome, Italy are bombed. WUO states this is in response to ITT's alleged role in the Chilean coup earlier that month. [NYT, 9/28/73]

* March 6, 1974 - Bombing of the Dept. of Health, Education and Welfare offices in San Francisco. WUO states this is to protest alleged sterilization of poor women. In the accompanying communiqué, the Women’s Brigade argues for "the need for women to take control of daycare, healthcare, birth control and other aspects of women's daily lives."

* May 31, 1974 - The Office of the California Attorney General is bombed. WUO states this is in response to the killing of six members of the Symbionese Liberation Army.

* June 17, 1974 - Gulf Oil's Pittsburgh headquarters is bombed. WUO states this is to protest the company's actions in Angola, Vietnam, and elsewhere.

* July, 1974 – The WUO releases the book Prairie Fire, in which they indicate the need for a unified Communist Party. They encourage the creation of study groups to discuss their ideology, and continue to stress the need for violent acts. The book also admits WUO responsibility of several actions from previous years. The Prairie Fire Organizing Committee (PFOC) arises from the teachings in this book and is organized by many former WUO members.

* September 11, 1974 – Bombing of Anaconda Corporation (part of the Rockefeller Corporation). WUO states this is in retribution for Anaconda’s alleged involvement in the Chilean coup the previous year.

* January 29, 1975 - Bombing of the State Department; WUO states this is in response to escalation in Vietnam. (AP. "State Department Rattled by Blast," The Daily Times-News, January 29, 1975, p.1)

* March, 1975 – The WUO releases its first edition of a new magazine entitled Osawatomie.

* June 16, 1975 - Weathermen bomb a Banco de Ponce (a Puerto Rican bank) in New York, WUO states this is in solidarity with striking Puerto Rican cement workers.

* July 11-13, 1975 – The PFOC holds its first national convention during which time they go through the formality of creating a new organization.

* September, 1975 – Bombing of the Kennecott Corporation; WUO states this is in retribution for Kennecott's alleged involvement in the Chilean coup two years prior.[3]

* 1976-1978 the Weather Underground slowly disbands, many members turning themselves in after taking advantage of President Jimmy Carter’s amnesty for draft dodgers.

* December 3, 1980, Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers turn themselves in.

* October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which Kathy Boudin and several former members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, near Nyack, New York on October 20, 1981. The robbers were stopped by police later that day and engaged them in a shootout, killing two police officers and one Brinks guard as well as wounding several others.

[vailpass]

Awesome! Can I play?

Libby's actions were part of an effort to subvert Democracy, not a property crime like Ayers'.

Holy shit.

[Calcountry]

Ayers' group KILLED people, Dirk.The ends justifies the means, they got thier guy elected eventually.


"Guilty as hell, free as a bird, what a great country".

[Calcountry]

My bad. I only read where 3 of his members were killed including his girlfriend when trying to build a nail bombYeah, you get that at the daily kos.

[jAZ]

You've lost your mind.

I'm just a mirror to you Donger. Take a hard look.

[PRIEST]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAm-Nvk3FAw


I dont know just saying :eek:

[Pitt Gorilla]

Uh, let's see... who was tortured for 6 years by communists after being shot down over Viet Nam performing close air support for American ground troops? Obama?Awesome.

[Dave Lane]

Uh, let's see... who was tortured for 6 years by communists after being shot down over Viet Nam performing close air support for American ground troops? Obama?

And denounced his country. Traitor!!

[VAChief]

So I guess you aren't a terrorist if you plan and don't actually carry them out, but it is still okay to subvert the principles of democracy and be proud of that, does that some it up for the Liddy apologists?

We should suspect a greater association than Obama has suggested with Ayers even though he has repudiated his actions, BUT ignore or give no significance to the fact that McCain has lauded his good buddy and campaign contributor convicted felon G.Gordon Liddy, who among other things thinks we should shoot federal agents in the head....Country First indeed!

[splatbass]

I was under the impression that Ayers' group actually carried out terrorist acts. Did Liddy?

No, but he conspired to murder a reporter (Jack Anderson) who wrote bad things about Nixon, and he conspired to kidnap anti-war protesters.

Conspiracy to commit murder and conspiracy to commit kidnapping are very serious felonies that can carry a life sentence.

[Logical]

You are attempting to equate Ayers' past with Liddy's, no? That they were both terrorists?

If so, I think actions speak much louder than words.
Convicted actions speak really, really loud Donger. In fact attemting to subvert the constitutional process though a crime you were convicted for is even more significant. Liddy unrepentent also!!!

[splatbass]

What does that have to do with McCain hiring a lobbyist for Saddam Hussein to head up his presidential transition team?

That's ok, it's not like there is anything for the guy to do. It doesn't take much transition planning for McCain to go back to the Senate.....:)

[jAZ]

Liddy has ... plott(ed) (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DYRty_4HT_8kC%26pg%3DPA171%26dq%3DWe%2Bdevised%2Ba %2Bplan%2Bthat%2Bentailed%2Bbuying%26ei%3D0hrTSIybEoTkygSg3uDpAw%26sig%3DACfU3U3kI1DJ3zZ1TIhfgmILplU-GA0Vmg%23PPA171%2CM1) to firebomb the Brookings Institution;

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/12/02/1695418.aspx

Nixon tapes: Ruthless, cynical, profane
Posted: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:39 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC’s John Rutherford
Richard Nixon's reputation takes a fresh pounding every time the National Archives releases another batch of audio tapes from his presidency, and today's opening of nearly 200 hours of Nixon White House recordings is no exception.

Again and again, Nixon comes across as ruthless, cynical and profane in conversations with staff members between November and December 1972.

Here are some examples:
-- On July 1, 1971, Nixon instructs Chief of Staff H.R. Haldeman to have someone break into the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C.:

"I can't have a high-minded lawyer ... I want a son-of-a-b----. I want someone just as tough as I am. ... We're up against an enemy, a conspiracy that will use any means. We are going to use any means... . Get it done. I want it done. I want the Brookings Institution cleaned out and have it cleaned out in a way that has somebody else take the blame."

[...]

Today's release was the 12th of Nixon White House tapes since 1980. Approximately 2,217 hours of tape recordings are now available to the public.

[Amnorix]

Nixon in many ways was a very good president. He had all the tools. Unfortunately he was also a power-mongering paranoid total f'n lunatic who had no respect for the rule of law, especially when applied to him.

I find his latter-in-life resurrection as some kind of respected senior statesman a complete joke.