PDA

View Full Version : Chiefs Fewest yards of offense


smittysbar
10-05-2008, 09:41 PM
By the Chiefs in 22 years :(

Coach
10-05-2008, 09:44 PM
Gee, I wonder why.

KCJohnny
10-05-2008, 09:46 PM
Some of us owe John Mackovich and Marv Levy an apology.

Skip Towne
10-05-2008, 09:53 PM
Some of us owe John Mackovich and Marv Levy an apology.

Yes, we do.

FAX
10-05-2008, 09:56 PM
The Tacks could very well get Herm that record. Any enemy defense that is particularly stout against the run and have a good pass rush could do it and the Tacks qualify.

FAX

smittysbar
10-05-2008, 09:56 PM
Some of us owe John Mackovich and Marv Levy an apology.
:D

KCrockaholic
10-05-2008, 11:18 PM
here come the "thank you dick" chants again from Vermeils last game as HC ..ah the good ol' wild west times...

2bikemike
10-06-2008, 02:13 AM
Gee, I wonder why.

So does Herm.

Its obvious opposing defenses know what our offense is going to do better than our own players.

rad
10-06-2008, 06:27 AM
DeAngelo Williams had more yards than the Chiefs' total net offense?

Really?

Fried Meat Ball!
10-06-2008, 06:42 AM
Some of us owe John Mackovich and Marv Levy an apology.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080214/Oscars/John-Malkovich-Being_l.jpg

Reerun_KC
10-06-2008, 08:30 AM
Good thing Herm wasnt going to touch that Circus offense....

MOhillbilly
10-06-2008, 08:31 AM
here come the "thank you dick" chants again from Vermeils last game as HC ..ah the good ol' wild west times...

thought it was 'one more year'

KCKY-Fan4life
10-06-2008, 08:39 AM
And of course the only game I get to go to and witness is the joke of a game. So pissed

wazu
10-06-2008, 08:42 AM
Funny thing is, Posnanski nailed it when he pointed out that the game was even worse than the stats. 50 of those yards were garbage yards in the fourth quarter.

luv
10-06-2008, 08:44 AM
And of course the only game I get to go to and witness is the joke of a game. So pissed

Actually, I thought the Oakland game was the joke. Does a shut out top QB roullette (sp?)?

wazu
10-06-2008, 08:50 AM
Actually, I thought the Oakland game was the joke. Does a shut out top QB roullette (sp?)?

It is particularly sad that we have a game from just a few weeks ago in which we can seriously debate which was worse. This one was more of a national embarrassment, but the Raiders game was pure torture to home town fans who were at the game.

I have to give the nod to yesterday's game as the worst played game I have ever seen by the Chiefs. The image of an old, slow, Muhsin Muhammed streaking through the Chiefs secondary and pulling away from our guys is probably the single worst thing I have seen yet from this horrible team during this awful, never-ending season.

luv
10-06-2008, 08:51 AM
2008 total rushing
Player Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Larry Johnson 93 417 4.5 65 3
Jamaal Charles 21 98 4.7 13 0
Tyler Thigpen 6 40 6.7 18 0
Kolby Smith 4 19 4.8 7 0
Damon Huard 3 13 4.3 15 0
Marques Hagans 1 2 2.0 2 0
Dantrell Savage 1 0 0.0 0 0

I wonder how he would be at blocking?




/sarcasm

HemiEd
10-06-2008, 09:15 AM
Good thing Herm wasnt going to touch that Circus offense....

The offense needs to help out the defense. They do that by getting off the field quickly, allowing the defense more reps.

petegz28
10-06-2008, 09:16 AM
I bet there were at least 10+ players in the league, not including QB's, that had more yards by themselves than the Chiefs did as a team.

I bet there were 20+ QB's with more rushing yards than LJ.

BigChiefFan
10-06-2008, 09:17 AM
All he had to do was fix the DEFENSE. Seems simple enough, but Herm couldn't stand being one upped by an old man with his circus offense. Who's the clown, now, bitch? You are Herm.

petegz28
10-06-2008, 09:18 AM
The offense needs to help out the defense. They do that by getting off the field quickly, allowing the defense more reps.

The defense nees to blitz on 3rd and long instead of giving teams time to set up for 15+ yards on 3rd down. Instead we consistently rush 3-4 people and expect to get pressure.

Fish
10-06-2008, 09:26 AM
All he had to do was fix the DEFENSE. Seems simple enough, but Herm couldn't stand being one upped by an old man with his circus offense. Who's the clown, now, bitch? You are Herm.

This is a great opportunity for legitimate Herm bashing, but your statement is pure horseshit. As inept as he is right now, Herm didn't destroy the offense. It was bound to fall no matter who was coaching. Herm deserves to be roasted, but definitely not for this....

CoMoChief
10-06-2008, 09:30 AM
The offense needs to help out the defense. They do that by getting off the field quickly, allowing the defense more reps.

ROFL

CoMoChief
10-06-2008, 09:32 AM
That Jared Allen trade looks AWESOME now.

Fuck I knew this would happen.

Moral of the story.......DONT TRADE YOUR BEST PLAYER!!!!!!!!!, ESPECIALLY IF HE's ONLY 26 FUGGIN YRS OLD!!!!!

triple
10-06-2008, 09:34 AM
That Jared Allen trade looks AWESOME now.

f*** I knew this would happen.

Moral of the story.......DONT TRADE YOUR BEST PLAYER!!!!!!!!!, ESPECIALLY IF HE's ONLY 26 FUGGIN YRS OLD!!!!!

oh yeah, if we still had Jared Allen the offense would be humming and we'd be in first place.

shouldn't you go write articles for scout you imbecile

HemiEd
10-06-2008, 09:50 AM
The defense nees to blitz on 3rd and long instead of giving teams time to set up for 15+ yards on 3rd down. Instead we consistently rush 3-4 people and expect to get pressure.

Does anyone else think Herm is doing this shit on purpose, maybe to get the highest pick possible?

I am starting to wonder, nobody could be this incompetent with the tools at his disposal.

Rausch
10-06-2008, 09:52 AM
That Jared Allen trade looks AWESOME now.

f*** I knew this would happen.

Moral of the story.......DONT TRADE YOUR BEST PLAYER!!!!!!!!!, ESPECIALLY IF HE's ONLY 26 FUGGIN YRS OLD!!!!!

Remind me how Allen would help the offese manage a first down...

Red Brooklyn
10-06-2008, 09:56 AM
Does anyone else think Herm is doing this shit on purpose, maybe to get the highest pick possible?

I am starting to wonder, nobody could be this incompetent with the tools at his disposal.

I don't think anything this man does is on purpose. I think his whole day - from begining to end - is one big, happy, shit-eating grin of a surprise.
I would never, EVER truly wish alzheimer's on anyone. It is a horrible and serious disease. But I hope Herm has it. I do. Because it's the ONLY possible explanation for the way this man "coaches" football.

Red Brooklyn
10-06-2008, 10:00 AM
That Jared Allen trade looks AWESOME now.

f*** I knew this would happen.

Moral of the story.......DONT TRADE YOUR BEST PLAYER!!!!!!!!!, ESPECIALLY IF HE's ONLY 26 FUGGIN YRS OLD!!!!!

I feel your pain, man. I wish he were still here too. But I don't think trading JA is the biggest problem we're facing. I think if he were still here, he would spark the D. I think he's be bringing more pressure. He may even be helping to get more three and outs MAYBE. But, as is has already been pointed out, that doesn't do much in terms of our offense's ability (or extreme inability) to mismanage a drive and flat out fail. AND WE HAVE WEAPONS! Argh! Whatever... I'm just too frustrated...

alpha_omega
10-06-2008, 10:02 AM
I just had to go back and look....i guess this is the game in question...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198610120cle.htm

Red Brooklyn
10-06-2008, 10:35 AM
I just had to go back and look....i guess this is the game in question...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198610120cle.htm

wow... well at least the Chiefs scored some points in that contest.

triple
10-06-2008, 10:39 AM
wow... well at least the Chiefs scored some points in that contest.

well, that team was 3-3 at the time.

BigChiefFan
10-06-2008, 10:51 AM
This is a great opportunity for legitimate Herm bashing, but your statement is pure horseshit. As inept as he is right now, Herm didn't destroy the offense. It was bound to fall no matter who was coaching. Herm deserves to be roasted, but definitely not for this....
I disagree. I'm not implying the offense would have remained a juggernaut, but there is no question, that Herm CHANGED the offensive philosophy. Let's also not forget that Herm, himself, IMPLIED the same thing. Don't you remember all the "offense will remain the same" bullshit he spouted went he first got here. Clearly it wasn't and one, Mr. Solari took the fall for HERM'S conservative and neutered approach, now look at Gailey's IDENTICAL APPROACH, same conservative, PREDICTABLE approach.


Don't confuse changing offensive philosophy with offensive player personel changing. Argueing about the effectiveness of the offense with the loss of Roaf and Shields, etc.. is an entirely different argument and one that I can see coming into the discussion, but I think you'll find it impossible to argue against what is being said, because I'm using HERM as the source that STATED, he DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE the OFFENSE.

2bikemike
10-06-2008, 10:54 AM
This is a great opportunity for legitimate Herm bashing, but your statement is pure horseshit. As inept as he is right now, Herm didn't destroy the offense. It was bound to fall no matter who was coaching. Herm deserves to be roasted, but definitely not for this....

Exactly, That falls at the feet of CP the other half of the idiot tandem that needs to go. He let the O-line get old without addressing it. I guess he thought Shields and Roaf could play great well into their 40's.

InChiefsHell
10-06-2008, 10:56 AM
Actually, I thought the Oakland game was the joke. Does a shut out top QB roullette (sp?)?

Against a bitter rival...good point. I don't know which was worse...:shake:

Ultra Peanut
10-06-2008, 11:19 AM
When we're matching records of futility that some of our players weren't even alive to experience, well, that's something.

Chiefnj2
10-06-2008, 11:24 AM
Herm killed the offense. Yeah, it was going to slide a bit, but it didn't need to bottom out like Amy Winehouse on crack.

Rausch
10-06-2008, 11:25 AM
Herm killed the offense. Yeah, it was going to slide a bit, but it didn't need to bottom out like Amy Winehouse on crack.

It's like there's some DV/Herm matter and antimatter...

Fish
10-06-2008, 11:28 AM
I disagree. I'm not implying the offense would have remained a juggernaut, but there is no question, that Herm CHANGED the offensive philosophy. Let's also not forget that Herm, himself, IMPLIED the same thing. Don't you remember all the "offense will remain the same" bullshit he spouted went he first got here. Clearly it wasn't and one, Mr. Solari took the fall for HERM'S conservative and neutered approach, now look at Gailey's IDENTICAL APPROACH, same conservative, PREDICTABLE approach.


Don't confuse changing offensive philosophy with offensive player personel changing. Argueing about the effectiveness of the offense with the loss of Roaf and Shields, etc.. is an entirely different argument and one that I can see coming into the discussion, but I think you'll find it impossible to argue against what is being said, because I'm using HERM as the source that STATED, he DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE the OFFENSE.

You can't separate the offensive philosophy from the player personnel. It doesn't work that way. You can't implement an offensive philosophy, even a very successful offensive philosophy, without the correct player personnel to run it. If you want proof of this, simply look at Jesus Saunders' handiwork after he left here. Without the right personnel, the best offensive philosophy in the world will fail.

They made an attempt to run the same style of offense. But they couldn't because we had no decent talent waiting after Roaf and Shields left. You can't coach up retards like Kyle Turley and Chris Terry, and expect the same results as Willie Roaf and Will Shields.

Remember, Solari is the one that coached Roaf and Shields. But for some reason, the offensive line fell apart after those 2 left. Even though Solari was still here.

El Pendejo
10-06-2008, 01:04 PM
DeAngelo Williams had more yards than the Chiefs' total net offense?

Really?

I believe so. Looking at the espn box score...

Williams 148
Chiefs 127

HemiEd
10-06-2008, 01:24 PM
It's like there's some DV/Herm matter and antimatter...

It has been about Herm's ego since the day he arrived.

Oh Snap
10-06-2008, 01:31 PM
thats a far cry from the 590 yards of offense we put up against the colts back in 04. :( Kinda miss those days..

Bearcat
10-06-2008, 04:20 PM
The sad thing is that it's not 'rock bottom'... it's been going on since he's been here. That's one game per season with about 125 yards of offense each. :doh!:

@Carolina, 34-0
Yards -- 127 (was 92 with 2:00 left) to 441
First Downs -- 6 to 20
ToP -- 18 to 38

@Denver 12/9/07, 41-7
Yards -- 129 to 453
First Downs -- 7 to 23
ToP -- 25 to 35

@Colts 1/6/07, 23-8
Yards -- 126 to 435
First Downs -- 7 to 28
ToP -- 20 to 40


(we had over 200 yards vs. the Steelers in '06 and 190 against Oakland a few weeks ago)

smittysbar
10-06-2008, 04:51 PM
The sad thing is that it's not 'rock bottom'... it's been going on since he's been here. That's one game per season with about 125 yards of offense each. :doh!:

at least he is consistent......wonder about when he was with the jets?

Long Duk Dong
10-06-2008, 04:56 PM
The offense needs to help out the defense. They do that by getting off the field quickly, allowing the defense more reps.

:clap: ROFL

Bearcat
10-06-2008, 05:10 PM
at least he is consistent......wonder about when he was with the jets?

:hmmm:

2005 vs. Patriots, 3-16
167 yards, 12 first downs

2005 vs. Ravens, 3-13
152 yards, 8 first downs

--> 2004, Herm goes f***ing arena league <--

2003 vs. Redskins
158 yards, 11 first downs

...Sad when you look at 150-160 yards of offense and think "Holy crap, it's gotten worse". I guess it goes to show that he's getting left behind.

Long Duk Dong
10-06-2008, 05:15 PM
:hmmm:

2005 vs. Patriots, 3-16
167 yards, 12 first downs

2005 vs. Ravens, 3-13
152 yards, 8 first downs

--> 2004, Herm goes f***ing arena league <--

2003 vs. Redskins
158 yards, 11 first downs

...Sad when you look at 150-160 yards of offense and think "Holy crap, it's gotten worse". I guess it goes to show that he's getting left behind.

That is depressing.

Phobia
10-06-2008, 05:18 PM
Remind me how Allen would help the offese manage a first down...

It would have been really cool if the Chiefs had tried him at TE.

HemiEd
10-06-2008, 05:22 PM
It would have been really cool if the Chiefs had tried him at TE.He scored too quickly.

FringeNC
10-06-2008, 05:35 PM
This thread brings back bad memories. I am way beyond Herm destroyed the offense -- that is so patently obvious I refuse to even debate it anymore -- but just looking at the number, and looking at the numbers we used to put it, and having the numbers bring back all the old arguments on here -- Jesus Christ, Herm Edwards is just a fucking disgrace. There simply is no other way of putting it. I was dead set against Herm Edwards, but even in my nightmares I couldn't imagine THIS. He's just a incompetent fucking piece of shit.

whoman69
10-06-2008, 06:46 PM
Some of us owe John Mackovich and Marv Levy an apology.

What about Frank Gansz...Nah.

plbrdude
10-06-2008, 07:18 PM
This is a great opportunity for legitimate Herm bashing, but your statement is pure horseshit. As inept as he is right now, Herm didn't destroy the offense. It was bound to fall no matter who was coaching. Herm deserves to be roasted, but definitely not for this....

bound to fall this far???????

smittysbar
10-06-2008, 07:30 PM
bound to fall this far???????

I agree, it wouldn't have fell near this far with a good HC

MahiMike
10-06-2008, 07:52 PM
here come the "thank you dick" chants again from Vermeils last game as HC ..ah the good ol' wild west times...

Thank you DV. We give homage to the best coach in our historyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!

InChiefsHell
10-07-2008, 05:20 AM
The worst part is, I just have a feeling that he'll be back next year. He'll be able to spin that this is year one of the re-build, and in many ways he'd be right, but damn people...you should NOT have a showing like Sunday...ever. 3 Years and we get worse every year...I hope that at the very least Carl is gone at season's end, but IIRC his contract is up after 2009 right? Same with Herm? If so, that's probably the earliest we'll see a move made...this'll all get chalked up to the "re-build"...

KCJohnny
10-07-2008, 07:00 AM
The worst part is, I just have a feeling that he'll be back next year. He'll be able to spin that this is year one of the re-build, and in many ways he'd be right, but damn people...you should NOT have a showing like Sunday...ever. 3 Years and we get worse every year...I hope that at the very least Carl is gone at season's end, but IIRC his contract is up after 2009 right? Same with Herm? If so, that's probably the earliest we'll see a move made...this'll all get chalked up to the "re-build"...

I think we'll see a major move for some FAs in the offseason... the "all kids/all the time" experiment is a bit pollyanna. We need a few vets to balance out this team - which, unless I am mistaken, is the youngest in the NFL.

Dave Lane
10-07-2008, 08:55 AM
This is a great opportunity for legitimate Herm bashing, but your statement is pure horseshit. As inept as he is right now, Herm didn't destroy the offense. It was bound to fall no matter who was coaching. Herm deserves to be roasted, but definitely not for this....

Yeah right. I'll just bet if Vermiel and Saunders were here it would be this bad ROFL

Dave

smittysbar
10-07-2008, 09:06 AM
I think we'll see a major move for some FAs in the offseason... the "all kids/all the time" experiment is a bit pollyanna. We need a few vets to balance out this team - which, unless I am mistaken, is the youngest in the NFL.

Green Bay is younger than us

CoMoChief
10-07-2008, 09:09 AM
Green Bay is younger than us

Your mom is younger than us...

InChiefsHell
10-07-2008, 09:09 AM
Your mom is younger than us...

IIRC they said we have more rookies starting, but GB's roster is younger.

CoMoChief
10-07-2008, 09:14 AM
Yeah right. I'll just bet if Vermiel and Saunders were here it would be this bad ROFL

Dave

Yeah.....theres no fucking way it'd be this bad.

Though Trent Green would still be QB. Don't really know if that's a good thing or not.

smittysbar
10-07-2008, 09:14 AM
Your mom is younger than us...

At heart. /Hallmark

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 09:17 AM
It has been about Herm's ego since the day he arrived.

QFT 100%

How can you defend Herm when his EGO put this team into a total clusterfuck...

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 09:21 AM
I think we'll see a major move for some FAs in the offseason... the "all kids/all the time" experiment is a bit pollyanna. We need a few vets to balance out this team - which, unless I am mistaken, is the youngest in the NFL.

Well that would bring us around to 9-7 and HOPE for a playoff bitch slapping...

but the "true fans" would rejoice and praise Herm for is masterful turn around...

DJ's left nut
10-07-2008, 09:51 AM
:hmmm:

2005 vs. Patriots, 3-16
167 yards, 12 first downs

2005 vs. Ravens, 3-13
152 yards, 8 first downs

--> 2004, Herm goes f***ing arena league <--

2003 vs. Redskins
158 yards, 11 first downs

...Sad when you look at 150-160 yards of offense and think "Holy crap, it's gotten worse". I guess it goes to show that he's getting left behind.

For the love of all things holy.

Carl Peterson actually hired this man.

He gave up a draft pick and continues to give him actual legal tender in exchange for him running an NFL football team. There are no words.

When will the devil come for Herm's soul? Seriously, WTF has this guy ever done to deserve a head coaching job? Better still, how in the hell has he kept one for a decade?

This is just completely perplexing to me.

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 09:53 AM
Yeah.....theres no fucking way it'd be this bad.

Though Trent Green would still be QB. Don't really know if that's a good thing or not.

I have a feeling Roaf would of gave it one more year and DV would never ever let the OL get this terrible...

The Defense would still suck, but good thing Herm fixed that for us Fans...

Fish
10-07-2008, 10:04 AM
I have a feeling Roaf would of gave it one more year and DV would never ever let the OL get this terrible...

The Defense would still suck, but good thing Herm fixed that for us Fans...

Did you miss the interview where Roaf said that Vermeil's long and complicated practices were part of the reason he retired?

And I'd really like to know what you think DV would have done to keep the OL as productive. Not that it would have mattered, considering he didn't win a damn thing for us except pathetic fan contentment.

smittysbar
10-07-2008, 10:15 AM
Did you miss the interview where Roaf said that Vermeil's long and complicated practices were part of the reason he retired?

And I'd really like to know what you think DV would have done to keep the OL as productive. Not that it would have mattered, considering he didn't win a damn thing for us except pathetic fan contentment.

You realy think it would have got this bad with DV and al here? :doh!:

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 10:22 AM
Did you miss the interview where Roaf said that Vermeil's long and complicated practices were part of the reason he retired?

And I'd really like to know what you think DV would have done to keep the OL as productive. Not that it would have mattered, considering he didn't win a damn thing for us except pathetic fan contentment.

True forgot about that Roaf comment... Thanks for the refresh...

I think you can go back to 1989 and say there wasnt a coach here than won a damn thing except for pathetic fan contentment... Yes that include fucking shit for brains Martha...

I am not going to sit here and say I could/can read DV's minds and thoughts. But I would gather that he would of seriously addressed the OL through FA. Just a my thoughts, it neither right or wrong...

But obviously, Your Hermie boy didnt think the line was that important...

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 10:24 AM
You realy think it would have got this bad with DV and al here? :doh!:

Its very easy to trash the DV era.. Alot of bitterness form the fans for wasting a true NFL offense.

If we are still bashing DV 3 years later, we will be able to bash Herm and his reign of terror for at least 10 years.

smittysbar
10-07-2008, 10:32 AM
Its very easy to trash the DV era.. Alot of bitterness form the fans for wasting a true NFL offense.

If we are still bashing DV 3 years later, we will be able to bash Herm and his reign of terror for at least 10 years.
I am not bashing him

Fish
10-07-2008, 10:40 AM
You realy think it would have got this bad with DV and al here? :doh!:

Yes I do. DV completely neglected the draft. And the players he did draft wasted away on the bench. He could not see the big picture. Look at his draft choices today, and see how many are still contributing in the league. Then think how that continued behavior would look on this team. His continued insistence on patching holes with "good ol' boy" acquaintances year after year hampered development and set us back more and more as time went on. DV lucked into one of the best OLines in history. And I believe that any coach could have had offensive success behind that line. Just look at what Solari and Saunders did after Roaf and Shields were gone. Don't you question why they bombed after that line went away?

When you look at all the areas of the team, DV really only excelled in one area. Offense. And take away Roaf and Shields, and most of that goes away. He was absolutely terrible with the defense. Terrible. The staunchest of supporters would admit to that. And these days a one-sided team simply will not win. Actually his one-sided philosophy really didn't win shit when he was here. Just a lot of offensive stats dazzling fans with lots of points but heartbreaking losses. In the end, he had 5 years to patch together a legitimate team. 5 years. The most he could eek out of it was a pathetic performance where we couldn't force a punt the entire game.

Put Vermeil in charge of this bunch today, and we'd see a different colored turd that stinks just the same, while ignoring youth and building for the future. We're not getting it done now, but Vermeil wouldn't be better.

Fish
10-07-2008, 10:51 AM
True forgot about that Roaf comment... Thanks for the refresh...

I think you can go back to 1989 and say there wasnt a coach here than won a damn thing except for pathetic fan contentment... Yes that include ****ing shit for brains Martha...

I am not going to sit here and say I could/can read DV's minds and thoughts. But I would gather that he would of seriously addressed the OL through FA. Just a my thoughts, it neither right or wrong...

But obviously, Your Hermie boy didnt think the line was that important...

Yes, I agree that he would have attempted to address the OL through FA. But look at how much that would cost these days. Imagine how much cap space we would have used patching the OL with upper tier lineman last year. And you know for a fact that he wouldn't have wanted rookies on the line. No way no how. So we'd be overpaying older guys year after year while never trying to groom rookies that would be around for a long time. No planning for down the road.

DV's team management is only good for the one and done strategy. I want a team that can be consistently good and won't need to be expensively restocked every offseason.

And no, Hermie hasn't done well with the line, he absolutely deserves that criticism. Especially last season with Turdley, McIntosh, and Terry. Big time failure in planning there. But you have to admit Albert, Taylor, and Richardson look promising and are still young. Do you think they'd be playing for Vermeil? I don't.

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 10:57 AM
But you have to admit Albert, Taylor, and Richardson look promising and are still young. Do you think they'd be playing for Vermeil? I don't.

Man who knows... That was so long ago, things have changed so much... DV was here to build a superbowl team in 3 years. He "almost" accomplished that.

Herm was brought here to Herm the team, well 3 years later we have a "true Herman Edwards" team...

So we can discuss apples and oranges all day... they are still apples and oranges..

who knows what would happen, we both make valid points, but it doesnt help to argue "what ifs" about the past....

Fish
10-07-2008, 11:13 AM
Man who knows... That was so long ago, things have changed so much... DV was here to build a superbowl team in 3 years. He "almost" accomplished that.

Herm was brought here to Herm the team, well 3 years later we have a "true Herman Edwards" team...

So we can discuss apples and oranges all day... they are still apples and oranges..

who knows what would happen, we both make valid points, but it doesnt help to argue "what ifs" about the past....

That's an important point. Things have changed a lot in the last few years. DV has not. For that matter, Herm has not.

That's why it's so important to get some fresh young blood in here. All the clamoring for Cowher and Marty is so ridiculous in that regard that I can't believe people can criticize Herm while calling for either of those 2 clones....

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 11:16 AM
That's an important point. Things have changed a lot in the last few years. DV has not. For that matter, Herm has not.

That's why it's so important to get some fresh young blood in here. All the clamoring for Cowher and Marty is so ridiculous in that regard that I can't believe people can criticize Herm while calling for either of those 2 clones....

That my friend was perfect! :clap: