It's over, the next thirty days are pretty much just for show.

[Direckshun]

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[Dave Lane]

agreed, if Obama picks up any more momentum it could be a EV landslide.

Dave

[D2112]

I guess there's no sense in voting now. Direckshun from CP said it's over.

Thanks!

[Mecca]

Considering most people feel the economy is the biggest issue, if those numbers stay like that McCain is toast simple as that.

[SNR]

Obama's got the 4th quarter lead.

Now he just needs to let Dick Curl run the show

[sportsman1]

American people want socialism I guess.

[penguinz]

American people want socialism I guess.It is a republican pres that pushed so hard for the latest installment of socialism.

[HolmeZz]

American people want socialism I guess.

Your President and your candidate just supported a 700+ billion dollar bailout of the banking industry. Did you miss that? I suggest you update your talking points.

[Hydrae]

Considering most people feel the economy is the biggest issue, if those numbers stay like that McCain is toast simple as that.

Didn't realize that economists elected our president for us. ;)

[Direckshun]

Didn't realize that economists elected our president for us. ;)

They're just economists! What do they know about the economy!

Dead on, Hydrae!

[sportsman1]

And I in no way support that. Who are we to support then? Everyone backed the bastard bill. Obama wants to further socialism, that is a fact. His entire campaign is based on it. McCain is still the lesser of those two evils in further imposing it. I wrote both my congressman and congress woman about it. The pork laden bill was a disgrace. Thats my point. Elect Obama, give him the Democratic congress and say adios to Capitalism.

[HolmeZz]

And I in no way support that. Who are we to support then? Everyone backed the bastard bill. Obama wants to further socialism, that is a fact. His entire campaign is based on it. McCain is still the lesser of those two evils in further imposing it. I wrote both my congressman and congress woman about it. The pork laden bill was a disgrace. Thats my point. Elect Obama, give him the Democratic congress and say adios to Capitalism.

If your beliefs are that strong, why don't you take a stand instead of falling in line and giving the Republicans a pass? I mean, you'd probably have more of a case then.

[Direckshun]

And I in no way support that. Who are we to support then? Everyone backed the bastard bill. Obama wants to further socialism, that is a fact. His entire campaign is based on it. McCain is still the lesser of those two evils in further imposing it. I wrote both my congressman and congress woman about it. The pork laden bill was a disgrace. Thats my point. Elect Obama, give him the Democratic congress and say adios to Capitalism.

I wonder if, given the opportunity, you'd even understand the difference between liberalism and socialism.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

If your beliefs are that strong, why don't you take a stand instead of falling in line and giving the Republicans a pass? I mean, you'd probably have more of a case then.

Thank you, and I totally agree. The Republican party is only a shadow of their former selves. If were going to have socialism it might as well be for the people, not that i support that at all as even Obama supported that horrible bill.

[sportsman1]

I think the difference is very slim because of where it treads. The "Differences between liberal and socialist understandings of representation are analytically compared in three pairs of categories: (a) micro versus macro, (b) individual versus class, and (c) the formalistic versus the substantive."

I see the bailout as governmental control over the micro and macro economy, leading to socialism. Obama's campaign is all about class warfare. The last one is vague and can be applied anywhere to the Obama Campaign.

Liberalism is failed Ideology that leads to Socialism 90 percent of the time. The whole Obama mindset is to turn the lower, and middle class against their employers. This is the medium of a socialist.

[SBK]

Direckshun working hard to get a jAZ esque 2 weeks thread of his own.

[KCJohnny]

American people want socialism I guess.

Exactly. Now that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have destroyed the housing market and tanked the economy, let's hand the world's best health care system over to the government so that BHO's marxist wealth redistribution plan can bring us "change we can believe in".

[KCJohnny]

agreed, if Obama picks up any more momentum it could be a EV landslide.

Dave

Actually, with 8 years of GOP leadership on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, 6 years of GOP majority in Congress, 2 wars going on and the economy in the toilet, BHO has a tenous single digit lead.

Not exactly the formulae for a landslide. Any Generic Democrat governor would be up by 25 points right now.

Lastly, people are fond of polling for democrats and voting for republicans when the curtain is drawn and the lever is dropped.

[Mecca]

Exactly. Now that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have destroyed the housing market and tanked the economy, let's hand the world's best health care system over to the government so that BHO's marxist wealth redistribution plan can bring us "change we can believe in".

I've seen some stats that disagree with this being the world best health care system.

[ROYC75]

And I in no way support that. Who are we to support then? Everyone backed the bastard bill. Obama wants to further socialism, that is a fact. His entire campaign is based on it. McCain is still the lesser of those two evils in further imposing it. I wrote both my congressman and congress woman about it. The pork laden bill was a disgrace. Thats my point. Elect Obama, give him the Democratic congress and say adios to Capitalism.


We need more people like you speaking up against Obama and his Obots.

Problem is they are programmed to ignore comments and facts and speak of only what they have been programmed for.

Plus with the help of ACORN doing there shady work , it's a big uphill battle.

[Mecca]

We need more people like you speaking up against Obama and his Obots.

Problem is they are programmed to ignore comments and facts and speak of only what they have been programmed for.

Plus with the help of ACORN doing there shady work , it's a big uphill battle.

Aren't you basically a McCain bot? Or a Republican bot I guess you do the exact same ignoring things when it comes to them.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Exactly. Now that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have destroyed the housing market and tanked the economy, let's hand the world's best health care system over to the government so that BHO's marxist wealth redistribution plan can bring us "change we can believe in".

If you think Fannie & Freddie are THE reason for the economic woes, then you can't see forest through the trees. That accounts for about 100 billion, so then where is the other 1.1 trillion this bailout bill provides for? I also agree about the health care plan, I DO NOT WANT Healthcare, i would rather the government stays out of providing such things. If they want to dabble in the healthcare industry they can start by actually looking out for the people by keeping the industry as a whole in check.

[KCJohnny]

If you think Fannie & Freddie are THE reason for the economic woes, then you can't see forest through the trees. That accounts for about 100 billion, so then where is the other 1.1 trillion this bailout bill provides for?

I am not economist, neither do I play one on TV, but my understanding is that F&F handed out cheap mortgages backed by the government which falsely inflated the housing market (which about 50% of the housing market is backed by F&F loans) which led to borrowing into oblivion which led to the housing market's natural correction which panicked Wall Street and here we are.

No matter what view one subscribes to, the government here is part of the problem. Our economy is maxed out on credit largely based on the (heretofore assumed) stability of the housing market (real estate being a key driver of the economy). (SEE: Barney Frank's "everything is fine" speeches)

Government needs to get out of the wealth redistribution business which is what the uber-corrupt F&F has become. Our forefathers braved the oceans, conquered the wilderness, reached the west coast on rail, bled and died in a civil war to preserve our union, and built their successes on sweat and the Protestant Work Ethic. We have raised a generation of whiny, lazy underachievers demanding to suck the teats of government largesse dry. Now that it has gone dry, we are demanding it come up with more largesse from - guess who? The actual producers in the economy.

Government handouts, bennies, programs and cheap'n'easy credit just perpetuate the cycle of dependence ON government which destroys both the production capability and the collective morale of those actually fueling the economy.

Last time I checked, the government doesn't earn $.01 of profit.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

No matter what view one subscribes to, the government here is part of the problem. Our economy is maxed out on credit largely based on the (heretofore assumed) stability of the housing market (real estate being a key driver of the economy). (SEE: Barney Frank's "everything is fine" speeches)

Government needs to get out of the wealth redistribution business which is what the uber-corrupt F&F has become. Our forefathers braved the oceans, conquered the wilderness, reached the west coast on rail, bled and died in a civil war to preserve our union, and built their successes on sweat and the Protestant Work Ethic. We have raised a generation of whiny, lazy underachievers demanding to suck the teats of government largesse dry. Now that it has gone dry, we are demanding it come up with more largesse from - guess who? The actual producers in the economy.

Government handouts, bennies, programs and cheap'n'easy credit just perpetuate the cycle of dependence ON government which destroys both the production capability and the collective morale of those actually fueling the economy.

Last time I checked, the government doesn't earn $.01 of profit.

So you do not see that Mr. "Conservative" Bush has increased the size of the Federal Government 3 fold? National debt was about 5 Tril before he took office and now it's around 11 Tril. How is Bush supporting conservative values? Is he even a Christian being in Skull & Bones?

[Mecca]

So you do not see that Mr. "Conservative" Bush has increased the size of the Federal Government 3 fold? National debt was about 5 Tril before he took office and now it's around 11 Tril. How is Bush supporting conservative values? Is he even a Christian being in Skull & Bones?

Just because he says he is.

[KCJohnny]

So you do not see that Mr. "Conservative" Bush has increased the size of the Federal Government 3 fold? National debt was about 5 Tril before he took office and now it's around 11 Tril. How is Bush supporting conservative values? Is he even a Christian being in Skull & Bones?

Let's not make this about President Bush. If you are really concerned about the size and growth of government, you could not possibly vote for someone who wants to nationalize healthcare and tax the economic engine of the economy. Also, the Department of Homeland Security is the largest growth sector in government - would you deny that we need it?

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Let's not make this about President Bush. If you are really concerned about the size and growth of government, you could not possibly vote for someone who wants to nationalize healthcare and tax the economic engine of the economy. Also, the Department of Homeland Security is the largest growth sector in government - would you deny that we need it?

Well since you only vote for "The Party" why not make it about President Bush? Mccain hardly seems Christian to me, it will be more of the same. I would never vote for BO, and the same holds true for Mccain. Homeland Security is an unnecessary office as well, we were just fine without it.

[KCJohnny]

Well since you only vote for "The Party" why not make it about President Bush? Mccain hardly seems Christian to me, it will be more of the same. I would never vote for BO, and the same holds true for Mccain. Homeland Security is an unnecessary office as well, we were just fine without it.

Let's not go there, OK? Because it would be all too easy for me to dismantle Obama's 20 years in the marxist black liberation theology church of Jeremiah Wright as a polemical against his so-called faith as well.

KCJ
Clinging to his guns and religion

[Mecca]

Well since you only vote for "The Party" why not make it about President Bush? Mccain hardly seems Christian to me, it will be more of the same. I would never vote for BO, and the same holds true for Mccain. Homeland Security is an unnecessary office as well, we were just fine without it.

Until right now when he needs their votes McCain pretty much mocked all the evangelicals.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Let's not go there, OK? Because it would be all too easy for me to dismantle Obama's 20 years in the marxist black liberation theology church of Jeremiah Wright as a polemical against his so-called faith as well.

KCJ
Clinging to his guns and religion

I'm well aware of BO Past, I've already stated i will not vote for him. I just want to get one thing straight, your perfectly fine voting for the "lesser" of two evils right? I simply see Mccain as a different but equal brand of evil. Do you think GOD is ok with voting for evil at all?

[KCJohnny]

I'm well aware of BO Past, I've already stated i will not vote for him. I just want to get one thing straight, your perfectly fine voting for the "lesser" of two evils right? I simply see Mccain as a different but equal brand of evil. Do you think GOD is ok with voting for evil at all?

We have the responsibility of citizenship, and in America, that means voting. If Obama appoints even one Supreme Court Justice, our Consitution as we know it will be up for grabs. My duty before God is to help elect those most closely supporting an agenda that preserves morality, sustains freedom of religion, and dissuades the free fall decline of our traditional values.

Abortion is the #1 most important moral issue of our times. It combines the lust of unfettered promiscuity with the diabolical murder of innocent human babies. In my Church (Catholic) the Bishops are beginning to speak very boldly about politicians who support the right to an abortion. No candidate in the history of American politics has held a more radical position on abortion that BHO.

BHO supports Planned Parenthood. According to blackgenocide.org, 94% of PP's so-called 'clinics' are in minority neighborhoods. Black women, who make up just 6% of the population receive 36% of the country's total abortions. If BHO supports the genocide of his own people, what will he do for the nation at large?

[KILLER_CLOWN]

We have the responsibility of citizenship, and in America, that means voting. If Obama appoints even one Supreme Court Justice, our Consitution as we know it will be up for grabs. My duty before God is to help elect those most closely supporting an agenda that preserves morality, sustains freedom of religion, and dissuades the fre fall decline of our traditional values.

Abortion is the #1 most important moral issue of our times. It combines the lust of unfettered promiscuity with the diabolical murder of innocent human babies. In my Church (Catholic) the Bishops are beginning to speak very boldly about politicians who support the right to an abortion. No candidate in the history of American politics has held a more radical position on abortion that BHO.

BHO supports Planned Parenthood. According to blackgenocide.org, 94% of PP's so-called 'clinics' are in minority neighborhoods. Black women, who make up just 6% of the population receive 36% of the country's total abortions. If BHO supports the genocide of his own people, what will he do for the nation at large?


I'm definitely voting for either Chuck Baldwyn or writing in Ron Paul, and I agree with most of what you said except for the fact that both major parties will do nothing on Abortion but leave it status quo. I could not bring myself to vote for Mccain either as he will dismantle our constitution similiar to the way Bush has. I'm sure your aware that President Bush called our constitution "just a GD piece of paper" right?

[Mecca]

They're never going to overturn Roe v Wade it is just a pandering tactic by the Republicans nothing more....

And abortion is pretty low on my list of important issues.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Exactly. Now that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have destroyed the housing market and tanked the economy, let's hand the world's best health care system over to the government so that BHO's marxist wealth redistribution plan can bring us "change we can believe in".

Explain to me how the best health care system in the world isn't even in the top 20 in infant mortality rates.

[Mecca]

Here is my basic view on religion..

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[Mecca]

The US is real high on this list of health care systems by country in the world isn't it?

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Actually, with 8 years of GOP leadership on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, 6 years of GOP majority in Congress, 2 wars going on and the economy in the toilet, BHO has a tenous single digit lead.

Not exactly the formulae for a landslide. Any Generic Democrat governor would be up by 25 points right now.

Lastly, people are fond of polling for democrats and voting for republicans when the curtain is drawn and the lever is dropped.

You really aren't this ignorant, are you? Do you have any concept how the electoral college works, or how close presidential elections are in popular vote %s?

Nixon beat Humphrey by 500,000 votes and almost doubled him in EVs


Bush beat Dukakis by 7.5 points and received over 420 EVs

Reagan beat Carter by 9 points an got nearly 500 EVs.


Furthermore, the electorate is so polarized, and the voting base is so ignorantly partisan that no matter how inept a candidate, they will receive at least 40% of the vote.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The US is real high on this list of health care systems by country in the world isn't it?



It's Johnny. It's the American health care system, therefore it's the best.

He clings to institutions of indoctrination.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

We have the responsibility of citizenship, and in America, that means voting. If Obama appoints even one Supreme Court Justice, our Consitution as we know it will be up for grabs.

Jesus Fucking Christ. Do you realize that the justices most likely to retire are Stephens, Souter, and Ginsburg? Do you even know what their political positions are and how that would affect the balance of the court?

[KCJohnny]

Jesus f***ing Christ.

Mr. Jenkins:
You need to know that your indiscriminate usage of religious names is deeply offensive to people of all faiths, people who value amicable, respectful dialogue, and people of no religious faith who nonetheless respect the fact that others do hold these names as sacred.

You are perfectly within the bounds of sound practice and good citizenship to register your opinions on this public forum without the unneccessary excesses of wanton profanity and deliberate attempts to offend people of faith.

Your undisciplined, unneccessary and unprincipled decorum adds nothing of any value to any point you wish to make. You only coarsen the atmosphere, invite more acrimony and lower the level of respect among the membership of this or any other forum where you interject ugly misusages of names that are respectfully held by others to be sacred.

If you elect to not believe in Jesus Christ, that is your free choice and God Almighty will respect it to the utmost.

I have asked you most respectfully and with restraint to abridge your vocabulary on behalf of the common good. Your obstinate insistance on insulting the worthy name of Jesus Christ will only increase your trespass and make you even more odious to those you are insulting.

I believe that most on ChiefsPlanet would agree that you can get your point across without these gross violations of common respect.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Mr. Jenkins:
You need to know that your indiscriminate usage of religious names is deeply offensive to people of all faiths, people who value amicable, respectful dialogue, and people of no religious faith who nonetheless respect the fact that others do hold these names as sacred.

You are perfectly within the bounds of sound practice and good citizenship to register your opinions on this public forum without the unneccessary excesses of wanton profanity and deliberate attempts to offend people of faith.

Your undisciplined, unneccessary and unprincipled decorum adds nothing of any value to any point you wish to make. You only coarsen the atmosphere, invite more acrimony and lower the level of respect among the membership of this or any other forum where you interject ugly misusages of names that are respectfully held by others to be sacred.

If you elect to not believe in Jesus Christ, that is your free choice and God Almighty will respect it to the utmost.

I have asked you most respectfully and with restraint to abridge your vocabulary on behalf of the common good. Your obstinate insistance on insulting the worthy name of Jesus Christ will only increase your trespass and make you even more odious to those you are insulting.

I believe that most on ChiefsPlanet would agree that you can get your point across without these gross violations of common respect.

You know what I find offensive?

Your preposterous hypocrisy, your use of religion as a crutch, your mindless proselytizing.

Spare me your righteous indignation and your use of your faux morality to cover up for the vapidity of your own positions.

[|Zach|]

I believe that most on ChiefsPlanet would agree that you can get your point across without these gross violations of common respect.

You are a clown.

[Ultra Peanut]

The US is real high on this list of health care systems by country in the world isn't it?YOU TALKIN SHIT ABOUT SLOVENIA?!

[phisherman]

Mr. Jenkins:
You need to know that your indiscriminate usage of religious names is deeply offensive to people of all faiths, people who value amicable, respectful dialogue, and people of no religious faith who nonetheless respect the fact that others do hold these names as sacred.

You are perfectly within the bounds of sound practice and good citizenship to register your opinions on this public forum without the unneccessary excesses of wanton profanity and deliberate attempts to offend people of faith.

Your undisciplined, unneccessary and unprincipled decorum adds nothing of any value to any point you wish to make. You only coarsen the atmosphere, invite more acrimony and lower the level of respect among the membership of this or any other forum where you interject ugly misusages of names that are respectfully held by others to be sacred.

If you elect to not believe in Jesus Christ, that is your free choice and God Almighty will respect it to the utmost.

I have asked you most respectfully and with restraint to abridge your vocabulary on behalf of the common good. Your obstinate insistance on insulting the worthy name of Jesus Christ will only increase your trespass and make you even more odious to those you are insulting.

I believe that most on ChiefsPlanet would agree that you can get your point across without these gross violations of common respect.

this guy is so f**king passive aggressive it's funny

[tiptap]

Talking shop and politics getting a tire taken care of.

"Did you uhh see were that CEO got 14 million dollars for 3 months of work. That shouldn't be happening with the way the economy is going."

Reply : 'Obama's income tax plan would put a big bite on that 14 million as opposed to McCain's plan. He thinks that CEO needs a break. That is opposed to the democrats wanting to give you a tax break.'

"I went down to see my friend's son play last weekend and to see how he is doing as they just found he has Esophogeal Cancer. It kind of hard on them getting the paper work all taken care of because his wife had by pass surgery recently."

'Well McCain wants to tax medical insurance benefits from employers and give everyone 5000 to buy insurance so you could each year spend time shuffling through all the programs to find the one that is timely for you the next year. Just like the Prescription Medicare Plan.
Obama wants to expand coverage and make sure everyone has coverage'

I don't know it sort of sell itself.

[KCJohnny]

"Did you uhh see were that CEO got 14 million dollars for 3 months of work. That shouldn't be happening with the way the economy is going."

Reply : 'Obama's income tax plan would put a big bite on that 14 million as opposed to McCain's plan. He thinks that CEO needs a break. That is opposed to the democrats wanting to give you a tax break.'



This is the danger of falling for class-warfare soft marxism. All a liberal sees here is Obama 'socking it to da man!". What the indiscriminate voter doesn't notice here is that the 'evil CEO' also employs thousands of workers, supporting thousands of families and that every tax hike on the rich is passed on to downsizing business, wage freezes, and loss of jobs. Its a shell game, and I feel sorry for the hard working blue collar democrats who fall for this insipid class warfare. They snarl and rage at 'the rich' and vote for their own depleted livelihoods.

[BucEyedPea]

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This appeals to authority, and the wrong authorities at that. The same Keynesians that brought us to our current economic condition. Their ideas are as bankrupt as their socialism which are as bankrupt as our govt.

[Sully]

The CEO doesn't emply anyone.
The company that is paying him does, however.

[penchief]

American people want socialism I guess.

I guess.

Or maybe you should just try to view things in a larger context than just your right wing talking points.

[DaFace]

For what it's worth, the respondents were heavily democrat. Just something to keep in mind. Here's the link to the full discussion:

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127

[penchief]

It is a republican pres that pushed so hard for the latest installment of socialism.

It's right wing corporate welfare (i.e. economic fascism) where the profits are privatized and the losses are socialized.

[penchief]

Exactly. Now that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have destroyed the housing market and tanked the economy, let's hand the world's best health care system over to the government so that BHO's marxist wealth redistribution plan can bring us "change we can believe in".

As opposed to the nationalistic socialism that you and your right wing fascists heroes in the republican party espouse via corporate welfare, war profiteering, and trickle down class warfare?

We hardly have the world's best health care system. That is just not true. Has anyone ever told you that you are completely incapable of an objective thought?

[penchief]

Let's not make this about President Bush. If you are really concerned about the size and growth of government, you could not possibly vote for someone who wants to nationalize healthcare and tax the economic engine of the economy. Also, the Department of Homeland Security is the largest growth sector in government - would you deny that we need it?

Why not make this about Bush? Because it will expose you as the hypocrite that you are?

[penchief]

Let's not go there, OK? Because it would be all too easy for me to dismantle Obama's 20 years in the marxist black liberation theology church of Jeremiah Wright as a polemical against his so-called faith as well.

KCJ
Clinging to his guns and religion

Let's not go there, hypocrite.

[penchief]

Explain to me how the best health care system in the world isn't even in the top 20 in infant mortality rates.

Because infant mortality is the price you pay for having such a good system. Keeping unborn babies alive is far more important than keeping infants alive to Christian hypocrites like KCJohnny.

[penchief]

Mr. Jenkins:
You need to know that your indiscriminate usage of religious names is deeply offensive to people of all faiths, people who value amicable, respectful dialogue, and people of no religious faith who nonetheless respect the fact that others do hold these names as sacred.

You are perfectly within the bounds of sound practice and good citizenship to register your opinions on this public forum without the unneccessary excesses of wanton profanity and deliberate attempts to offend people of faith.

Your undisciplined, unneccessary and unprincipled decorum adds nothing of any value to any point you wish to make. You only coarsen the atmosphere, invite more acrimony and lower the level of respect among the membership of this or any other forum where you interject ugly misusages of names that are respectfully held by others to be sacred.

If you elect to not believe in Jesus Christ, that is your free choice and God Almighty will respect it to the utmost.

I have asked you most respectfully and with restraint to abridge your vocabulary on behalf of the common good. Your obstinate insistance on insulting the worthy name of Jesus Christ will only increase your trespass and make you even more odious to those you are insulting.

I believe that most on ChiefsPlanet would agree that you can get your point across without these gross violations of common respect.

And your blatant hypocricy and unChristian behavior is offensive to most of the people on this board but that doesn't stop you from posting your narrow-minded self-righteous garbage.