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DeezNutz
10-05-2008, 11:41 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/828254.html

Well, it was fitting that this was the fifth week of the season because the Chiefs have now gone through all five stages of grief. There seemed to be no denial left in the locker room after the Chiefs’ nauseating 34-0 loss Sunday to Carolina. There wasn’t much anger. The Chiefs’ players were not in the mood for bargaining, and few players even seem very depressed.

All that is left for this team is acceptance.

“Games like this are going to happen,” Chiefs running back Larry Johnson said in his brief and thoroughly indifferent press briefing. He answered as many questions (two) as he had yards. Still, his seven-word answer more or less captured the spirit of the locker room. Yeah, it was a tough loss. Hey, we’re a young team. Look, we’re still rebuilding. Games like this are going to happen.

Thing is, games like this should never happen, not if you’re rebuilding, not if you’re rehabilitating, not if you’re regressing, not if you’re redecorating, not if you’re Regis and Kelly. Teams lose. Teams will get blown out. Teams will sometimes even get embarrassed. But what happened to the Chiefs on Sunday was something else, like something out of a kid’s movie. You kept waiting for someone to bring in Gus the Kicking Mule.

For posterity:

•The Chiefs were shut out on a dry field for the first time in 15 years. The Chiefs were shut out against Oakland in 2002 and at home against the Rams in 1994, but both of those were in the mud. Sunday’s game was on a fast track, at least for one team.

•The Chiefs managed 127 yards of offense, their lowest total since — get this — October 12, 1986, at Cleveland. Yeah. That was one day after president Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev met in Iceland. Yeah. The Chiefs’ leading rusher Jamaal Charles (18 yards) was not even born then. Yeah. Those Browns were coached by Marty Schottenheimer. Yeah. Long time ago.

•Only it gets worse. The Chiefs got 50 of those yards in a meaningless fourth quarter, long after the Panthers’ defense had checked out. At one point midway in the third quarter, Carolina’s fourth-string receiver, Mark Jones, had 19 yards receiving. The Chiefs had 18 total yards.

•The Chiefs’ defense gave up 441 yards to Carolina, which is the most the Panthers have piled up on anyone in almost two years. And perhaps the most telling play came in the third quarter when Carolina’s Muhsin Muhammad caught a pass over the middle and outran the entire Chiefs defense to the end zone. Why was this telling? Because it seemed pretty apparent that 35-year-old Muhsin Muhammad is a lot faster than every single player on the Chiefs’ supposedly talented and fast young defense.

•This was the biggest blowout victory in Carolina Panthers history.

So no, this wasn’t just a game that happens, wasn’t just a bump in the road or a slip of the tongue or a flat tire on the highway or a temporary power outage on a stormy night or any of that. This was a disaster, a kick in the teeth, a humiliation galore. This was the lowest point of Chiefs Home Makeover, which is saying something because the last two years the Chiefs have had more low points than Death Valley.

And yet the Chiefs’ locker room had a surprising and disconcerting chipperness after the game. I’m not saying anyone was happy, because it wasn’t that. And I’m not saying that after games like this football players and coaches should lock themselves in stockades and allow quarterbacks with accuracy to throw tomatoes at them. But, from coach Herm Edwards on down, the Chiefs seemed three connecting flights away from reality.

“I thought we started out OK,” Herm Edwards said.

Reality: On the Chiefs’ first offensive play, guard Adrian Jones jumped offside. On the second play, Larry Johnson fell backward for a 2-yard loss. On the third play, quarterback Damon Huard fumbled. On the fourth play, Huard’s pass was batted down. The Panthers got the ball and scored a touchdown in 3 minutes.

“We are at our best when we’re able to be balanced, running and throwing the football,” Huard said.

Reality: In the first half, the Chiefs ran six times and threw nine. Pretty balanced. They had 28 total yards and one first down.

“It’s puzzling to me,” Herm Edwards said. “You play one week like we played against Denver and then we played like this. Same players. Same coaches. I’m puzzled.”

Reality: Lots of players said some variation of this, but they’re probably missing the big point. Yes, last week the Chiefs beat Denver thanks to four turnovers, a huge effort from the home crowd and some angry Larry Johnson running It was a nice moment, no doubt, because it broke a 12-game losing streak and guaranteed that the Chiefs would not go winless in 2008. Nobody wants to take that away. Heck, that will almost certainly be the highlight of the year.

But apparently too many Chiefs people — including Edwards — seemed to believe that Denver victory was some kind of breakthrough game. In retrospect, it was probably just a fluke, one of those lucky victories that happen in the NFL. As one of the few realistic Chiefs players said, “I’m glad we won last week, but let’s face it: We got all the breaks. We can’t count on that.”

The Chiefs apparently did count on it. And after playing in what may be the worst professional football game they ever play in their lives, there didn’t seem to be too many emotions. The anger was drained. The depression was muted. Acceptance has set in.

“We’ve got to learn from it,” several players said.

Learn what? I’m not sure what lesson there was to learn in this game other than these Chiefs, when properly unmotivated and dazed, are capable of playing historically bad football. There’s not much you can do with that bit of learning.

L.A. Chieffan
10-05-2008, 11:44 PM
Is the general public just beginning to figure out we suck ass?

T-post Tom
10-05-2008, 11:51 PM
Kudos to Poz. :clap:

Dave Lane
10-05-2008, 11:51 PM
God I miss Vermiel. And I don't give one shit if anyone disagrees!!

On a positive note now the Offense is challenging the Defense in the suckage department...

Dave

DeezNutz
10-05-2008, 11:52 PM
Is the general public just beginning to figure out we suck ass?

?

What's JoPo supposed to write after today's game? He seemed to add a new perspective to the suckassery, IMO.

btlook1
10-05-2008, 11:54 PM
Well that article pretty much hits the nail on the head!!! I hope someone drops that article on Herms door step in the morning!

DeezNutz
10-05-2008, 11:55 PM
Well that article pretty much hits the nail on the head!!! I hope someone drops that article on Herms door step in the morning!

Perhaps the Paperboy will come through on this one? I always aimed for the windows. Fucking curbs and cars. Fucking up my pointage.

Hydrae
10-05-2008, 11:56 PM
Perhaps the paperboy will come through on this one...

Can his paperboy hit the porch consistently? Maybe we should look at him for QB. :hmmm:

DeezNutz
10-05-2008, 11:59 PM
Can his paperboy hit the porch consistently? Maybe we should look at him for QB. :hmmm:

We don't have the stones to draft a Paperboy early, and there isn't a very deep crop this year.

KCJohnny
10-06-2008, 12:03 AM
Million-dollar quote:
“It’s puzzling to me,” Herm Edwards said. “You play one week like we played against Denver and then we played like this. Same players. Same coaches. I’m puzzled.”


Kudos to JoPo for knowing the 5 stages of grief.
KCJ
:arrow:

FAX
10-06-2008, 12:48 AM
It's a shame that Herm doesn't read.

FAX

DaneMcCloud
10-06-2008, 12:51 AM
Million-dollar quote:


Kudos to JoPo for knowing the 5 stages of grief.
KCJ
:arrow:

Kudos? Are you kidding me?

He's a 40 year-old professional journalist.

Anyone that's ever taken a high-school psychology class knows the "five stages of grief".

It's not some kind of secret.

Sure-Oz
10-06-2008, 12:52 AM
It'd be nice if Hermy would resign, he's the Millen of coaching.

DaneMcCloud
10-06-2008, 12:53 AM
It'd be nice if Hermy would resign, he's the Millen of coaching.

It'll never happen.

He'd be jeopardizing his salary.

I wonder if Clark Hunt even saw the game today?

KCJohnny
10-06-2008, 01:19 AM
Kudos? Are you kidding me?

He's a 40 year-old professional journalist.

Anyone that's ever taken a high-school psychology class knows the "five stages of grief".

It's not some kind of secret.

Oh, you'd be surprised. I never said it was a secret. Just not something you expect to find in the sports pages. I deal with it in my line of work.

DaneMcCloud
10-06-2008, 01:20 AM
Oh, you'd be surprised. I never said it was a secret. Just not something you expect to find in the sports pages. I deal with it in my line of work.

I know you do, unfortunately.

I just surprised you're shocked that an excellent journalist such as Pos would be familiar with that terminology.

KCJohnny
10-06-2008, 01:31 AM
I know you do, unfortunately.

I just surprised you're shocked that an excellent journalist such as Pos would be familiar with that terminology.

I agree, JoPo is the creme of the crop. I love his humor. He seems funnier when the Chiefs are bad. And they are very bad.

oaklandhater
10-06-2008, 03:36 AM
Gochiefs should take notes This is a Critical artical on the chiefs.

the Talking Can
10-06-2008, 07:32 AM
Poz brings out the long knives...

But, from coach Herm Edwards on down, the Chiefs seemed three connecting flights away from reality.

“I thought we started out OK,” Herm Edwards said.

Reality: On the Chiefs’ first offensive play, guard Adrian Jones jumped offside. On the second play, Larry Johnson fell backward for a 2-yard loss. On the third play, quarterback Damon Huard fumbled. On the fourth play, Huard’s pass was batted down. The Panthers got the ball and scored a touchdown in 3 minutes.

“We are at our best when we’re able to be balanced, running and throwing the football,” Huard said.

Reality: In the first half, the Chiefs ran six times and threw nine. Pretty balanced. They had 28 total yards and one first down.

“It’s puzzling to me,” Herm Edwards said. “You play one week like we played against Denver and then we played like this. Same players. Same coaches. I’m puzzled.”

Reality: Lots of players said some variation of this, but they’re probably missing the big point. Yes, last week the Chiefs beat Denver thanks to four turnovers, a huge effort from the home crowd and some angry Larry Johnson running It was a nice moment, no doubt, because it broke a 12-game losing streak and guaranteed that the Chiefs would not go winless in 2008. Nobody wants to take that away. Heck, that will almost certainly be the highlight of the year.

But apparently too many Chiefs people — including Edwards and the True Fans — seemed to believe that Denver victory was some kind of breakthrough game. In retrospect, it was probably just a fluke, one of those lucky victories that happen in the NFL. As one of the few realistic Chiefs players said, “I’m glad we won last week, but let’s face it: We got all the breaks. We can’t count on that.”

HypnotizedMonkey
10-06-2008, 07:54 AM
I think these dudes started their bye week early. Clark Hunt needs to get MAD at these coaches.. at halftime he should have stormed into the locker room like the beer looter with a dish tub full of baby bottles and handed them out to every last person in there.

:cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss::cuss:

KcMizzou
10-06-2008, 08:15 AM
This game didn't matter, because the Chiefs have a lot more "tradition" than Carolina.

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 08:19 AM
This game didn't matter, because the Chiefs have a lot more "tradition" than Carolina.

yep, we have as much tradition as teams like 49ers and cowboys.

petegz28
10-06-2008, 08:24 AM
Spot on by Poz. I think he went easy too.

mlyonsd
10-06-2008, 08:33 AM
My wife doesn't really watch football and doesn't follow the Chiefs but I think she summed it up best yesterday when the game was on in the kitchen.

She said the Bronco's really must have to hang their heads low if they were beaten by "those" guys.

luv
10-06-2008, 08:33 AM
This game didn't matter, because the Chiefs have a lot more "tradition" than Carolina.

Rep.

smittysbar
10-07-2008, 12:17 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/828254.html

Well, it was fitting that this was the fifth week of the season because the Chiefs have now gone through all five stages of grief. There seemed to be no denial left in the locker room after the Chiefs’ nauseating 34-0 loss Sunday to Carolina. There wasn’t much anger. The Chiefs’ players were not in the mood for bargaining, and few players even seem very depressed.

All that is left for this team is acceptance.

“Games like this are going to happen,” Chiefs running back Larry Johnson said in his brief and thoroughly indifferent press briefing. He answered as many questions (two) as he had yards. Still, his seven-word answer more or less captured the spirit of the locker room. Yeah, it was a tough loss. Hey, we’re a young team. Look, we’re still rebuilding. Games like this are going to happen.

Thing is, games like this should never happen, not if you’re rebuilding, not if you’re rehabilitating, not if you’re regressing, not if you’re redecorating, not if you’re Regis and Kelly. Teams lose. Teams will get blown out. Teams will sometimes even get embarrassed. But what happened to the Chiefs on Sunday was something else, like something out of a kid’s movie. You kept waiting for someone to bring in Gus the Kicking Mule.

For posterity:

•The Chiefs were shut out on a dry field for the first time in 15 years. The Chiefs were shut out against Oakland in 2002 and at home against the Rams in 1994, but both of those were in the mud. Sunday’s game was on a fast track, at least for one team.

•The Chiefs managed 127 yards of offense, their lowest total since — get this — October 12, 1986, at Cleveland. Yeah. That was one day after president Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev met in Iceland. Yeah. The Chiefs’ leading rusher Jamaal Charles (18 yards) was not even born then. Yeah. Those Browns were coached by Marty Schottenheimer. Yeah. Long time ago.

•Only it gets worse. The Chiefs got 50 of those yards in a meaningless fourth quarter, long after the Panthers’ defense had checked out. At one point midway in the third quarter, Carolina’s fourth-string receiver, Mark Jones, had 19 yards receiving. The Chiefs had 18 total yards.

•The Chiefs’ defense gave up 441 yards to Carolina, which is the most the Panthers have piled up on anyone in almost two years. And perhaps the most telling play came in the third quarter when Carolina’s Muhsin Muhammad caught a pass over the middle and outran the entire Chiefs defense to the end zone. Why was this telling? Because it seemed pretty apparent that 35-year-old Muhsin Muhammad is a lot faster than every single player on the Chiefs’ supposedly talented and fast young defense.

•This was the biggest blowout victory in Carolina Panthers history.

So no, this wasn’t just a game that happens, wasn’t just a bump in the road or a slip of the tongue or a flat tire on the highway or a temporary power outage on a stormy night or any of that. This was a disaster, a kick in the teeth, a humiliation galore. This was the lowest point of Chiefs Home Makeover, which is saying something because the last two years the Chiefs have had more low points than Death Valley.

And yet the Chiefs’ locker room had a surprising and disconcerting chipperness after the game. I’m not saying anyone was happy, because it wasn’t that. And I’m not saying that after games like this football players and coaches should lock themselves in stockades and allow quarterbacks with accuracy to throw tomatoes at them. But, from coach Herm Edwards on down, the Chiefs seemed three connecting flights away from reality.

“I thought we started out OK,” Herm Edwards said.

Reality: On the Chiefs’ first offensive play, guard Adrian Jones jumped offside. On the second play, Larry Johnson fell backward for a 2-yard loss. On the third play, quarterback Damon Huard fumbled. On the fourth play, Huard’s pass was batted down. The Panthers got the ball and scored a touchdown in 3 minutes.

“We are at our best when we’re able to be balanced, running and throwing the football,” Huard said.

Reality: In the first half, the Chiefs ran six times and threw nine. Pretty balanced. They had 28 total yards and one first down.

“It’s puzzling to me,” Herm Edwards said. “You play one week like we played against Denver and then we played like this. Same players. Same coaches. I’m puzzled.”

Reality: Lots of players said some variation of this, but they’re probably missing the big point. Yes, last week the Chiefs beat Denver thanks to four turnovers, a huge effort from the home crowd and some angry Larry Johnson running It was a nice moment, no doubt, because it broke a 12-game losing streak and guaranteed that the Chiefs would not go winless in 2008. Nobody wants to take that away. Heck, that will almost certainly be the highlight of the year.

But apparently too many Chiefs people — including Edwards — seemed to believe that Denver victory was some kind of breakthrough game. In retrospect, it was probably just a fluke, one of those lucky victories that happen in the NFL. As one of the few realistic Chiefs players said, “I’m glad we won last week, but let’s face it: We got all the breaks. We can’t count on that.”

The Chiefs apparently did count on it. And after playing in what may be the worst professional football game they ever play in their lives, there didn’t seem to be too many emotions. The anger was drained. The depression was muted. Acceptance has set in.

“We’ve got to learn from it,” several players said.

Learn what? I’m not sure what lesson there was to learn in this game other than these Chiefs, when properly unmotivated and dazed, are capable of playing historically bad football. There’s not much you can do with that bit of learning.

That is bad, this team is accepting the suck.

Herm thought we started okay, WTF is he on

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 12:21 PM
Is the general public just beginning to figure out we suck ass?

99% of Chiefs fans knew that the moment Herm was introduced as the HC...

Reerun_KC
10-07-2008, 12:22 PM
That is bad, this team is accepting the suck.

Herm thought we started okay, WTF is he on

Beats the hell out of me...

We started off ok? WTF? We went backwards and DownField BigFetal started the yellow stains in his pants...

Chief Faithful
10-07-2008, 02:45 PM
Posnanski is wrong this kind of thing is exactly what happens to young teams. Young teams have troubles with fundamentals, week in and out consistancy, handling pressure, mental errors, and playing as a team when momentum is against them.

What happened was a very young team went on the road against on of the NFL's most solid tough in the trenchs team following a big emotional win at home. The Chiefs started slow got behind and fell apart like young teams tend to do. I appreciate the fact John Fox showed mercy in the 4th quarter.

Just because Posnanski is wrong does not make me a Hermie. I am still steamed that Jones, McIntoad and Darling are starting.

jidar
10-07-2008, 03:01 PM
Posnanski is wrong this kind of thing is exactly what happens to young teams. Young teams have troubles with fundamentals, week in and out consistancy, handling pressure, mental errors, and playing as a team when momentum is against them.

What happened was a very young team went on the road against on of the NFL's most solid tough in the trenchs team following a big emotional win at home. The Chiefs started slow got behind and fell apart like young teams tend to do. I appreciate the fact John Fox showed mercy in the 4th quarter.

Just because Posnanski is wrong does not make me a Hermie. I am still steamed that Jones, McIntoad and Darling are starting.

Yeah. Every time a young team goes on the road they set the opposing teams franchise record for blowouts.

:rolleyes:

smittysbar
10-07-2008, 03:11 PM
Yeah. Every time a young team goes on the road they set the opposing teams franchise record for blowouts.

:rolleyes:

Kinda what I was thinkng, boy that teams stats look swole after they play us

Saleenman607
10-07-2008, 03:13 PM
Look, just get over it....let the plan come to fluition, don't get flustrated

smittysbar
10-07-2008, 03:18 PM
Well I think, we might have, kinda went out there, and maybe saw some things. I kinda think I might need ta go over the tape first, I think. /Herp Edwad

Chief Faithful
10-07-2008, 04:43 PM
Yeah. Every time a young team goes on the road they set the opposing teams franchise record for blowouts.

:rolleyes:

My guess you have a reading comprehension problem.

HemiEd
10-07-2008, 05:12 PM
I hope Clark Hunt read that article, and gets as pissed as some of us.

KCTitus
10-07-2008, 07:54 PM
Over the years, I keep thinking it cannot get any worse...There have been some pretty bad games in KC's history, but it seems they do get worse and have only gotten worse over the 3 years of Herm's tenure.

Im still not clear why Herm decided to 'rebuild' in year 3 of his tenure rather than year 1. Putting that aside, is there going to be a point that this team reaches a 'rock bottom' and begins to ascend the hill that is a climb to eventual contender?

Is that supposed to happen from some point in the future and reach the contender status for the 2010 season with hopes of going all the way. ?

Forgive me for being dubious that this can happen in the next 27 NFL games and two offseasons/drafts. The talent that KC does have will want to leave for the FA dollars or flat retire.

Does KC even have Gonzalez or Larry for the 2010 season? How about Croyle or does KC reset and go for another franchise QB next year or is this 'contender' supposed to start a rookie QB in 2010?

Currently KC has one WR...Im just guessing here, but I think they need more.

Will KC be able to rebuild the OL in one year, they've failed over the last 3 to do it, how am I supposed to be confident they can do it in 2 more offseasons?

What about the DL and LB's? It seems the safeties and CB's are showing some promise.

All I ask is to start seeing improvement, but instead I get what I thought was a team that hit rock bottom only to see them break out the jackhammer and continue to dig.

Ebolapox
10-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Over the years, I keep thinking it cannot get any worse...There have been some pretty bad games in KC's history, but it seems they do get worse and have only gotten worse over the 3 years of Herm's tenure.

Im still not clear why Herm decided to 'rebuild' in year 3 of his tenure rather than year 1. Putting that aside, is there going to be a point that this team reaches a 'rock bottom' and begins to ascend the hill that is a climb to eventual contender?

Is that supposed to happen from some point in the future and reach the contender status for the 2010 season with hopes of going all the way. ?

Forgive me for being dubious that this can happen in the next 27 NFL games and two offseasons/drafts. The talent that KC does have will want to leave for the FA dollars or flat retire.

Does KC even have Gonzalez or Larry for the 2010 season? How about Croyle or does KC reset and go for another franchise QB next year or is this 'contender' supposed to start a rookie QB in 2010?

Currently KC has one WR...Im just guessing here, but I think they need more.

Will KC be able to rebuild the OL in one year, they've failed over the last 3 to do it, how am I supposed to be confident they can do it in 2 more offseasons?

What about the DL and LB's? It seems the safeties and CB's are showing some promise.

All I ask is to start seeing improvement, but instead I get what I thought was a team that hit rock bottom only to see them break out the jackhammer and continue to dig.

this is why I play madden--it's the only chance I'll have of seeing the chiefs win the 'ship.