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triple
10-06-2008, 11:56 AM
I've been thinking about this.

John Fox's comments about how Johnson gives up and dogs it if he doesn't get going early make a lot of sense. We have all seen it. He seems to take a game over against a bad team if he wants, but is ineffective against good teams. He is not an elite back like he believes or we used to believe. He doesn't seem motivated to block (i.e., give effort on plays that do not focus on him) either.

His attitude seems to be deteriorating from selfishness to apathy. Earlier in the year he wanted more carries. Now he doesn't care about getting 2 yards yesterday, judging by his comments changing to "these games happen", "we knew they were going to shut down the run", etc. He doesn't expect to win or perform well and he doesn't really seem to care. Maybe that's because he's got his money, and at worst he gets run out of KC and ends up in NYC where he wishes he were.

This, the guy who doesn't care and often doesn't seem to try, is a man who held out of training camp last year wanting big money. He railed Carl for $20 million guaranteed dollars, $40 million plus in total, and now he's mailing it in.

I say we bench him. Use Smith, who looked just as good as Johnson last year after his injury, and Charles.

Bowser
10-06-2008, 11:57 AM
We should put him at QB and run the Wing T. Works for the Dolphins.

Mr. Laz
10-06-2008, 12:00 PM
benching LJ or not is pretty irrelevant at this point


the only thing that would matter now is TRADING LJ and getting something decent in return for him.

that 298 yrd proved he could still do it with a decent Oline which should bump his value up quite a bit.

talastan
10-06-2008, 12:02 PM
I think we need to keep LJ in the lineup. We just need an O-line who can block worth a crap. The right side of the line is killing us right now. We also need to throw the ball farther than 5 yds. We have to open up some running lanes for LJ with the deep ball a few times. Whether that is lack of gameplan or just lack of a QB we need to get a vertical throwing game going. JMO though

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 12:03 PM
Yeah, bench Larry so we can watch Jamaal Charles get stuffed in the backfield instead. Great idea. You fucking moron.

philfree
10-06-2008, 12:04 PM
They should try blocking for him.

PhilFree:arrow:

ClevelandBronco
10-06-2008, 12:05 PM
Yeah. Bench the guy who laid a couple hundred yards on the Broncos. That'll do it.

triple
10-06-2008, 12:06 PM
Yeah. Bench the guy who laid a couple hundred yards on the Broncos. That'll do it.

Charles would have done the same thing. So would Smith

PRIEST
10-06-2008, 12:10 PM
Bench herm & his stupid azz OC

DaneMcCloud
10-06-2008, 12:13 PM
Another fucking stupid poll.

You know who should be benched?

McIntosh!

Who else?

Jones!

Who else?

Huard

Who else?

Webb (why is this guy even on the team?)

sedated
10-06-2008, 12:13 PM
It sure looked like he was benched against Carolina

ClevelandBronco
10-06-2008, 12:13 PM
Charles would have done the same thing. So would Smith

You gotta love guys who talk about things that didn't happen as if they inevitably would have happened.

triple
10-06-2008, 12:19 PM
You gotta love guys who talk about things that didn't happen as if they inevitably would have happened.

i dont think you could show me any runs that he's made this year that smith or charles couldn't have made.

KCKY-Fan4life
10-06-2008, 12:20 PM
Let's not forget LJ only got 7 carries and we were down two scores at the blink of an eye. Kind of hard to establish a run game after that, not to mention they were loading the box evreytime he was in the back field.

ChiefsCountry
10-06-2008, 12:21 PM
Lets bench the only way we can win a football game, brillant.

CupidStunt
10-06-2008, 12:24 PM
Bench Herm Edwards.

2bikemike
10-06-2008, 12:26 PM
Bench herm & his stupid azz OC

That would be the smarter move. Too bad that has to come from Clark.

PastorMikH
10-06-2008, 01:03 PM
I'd start LJ and in the first series if he stinks, I'd yank him till halfway through the third quarter. That way, he's sitting on the bench getting good and mad so when we bring him in he can actually make a difference.


FWIW, I would like to see more of Kolby. I think he's the best all around back on the team. No he doesn't run quite as good as LJ, but his catching and blocking abilities more than make up for the difference in running.

Short Leash Hootie
10-06-2008, 01:06 PM
LJ had 10 yards or so at half against Atlanta...didn't seem like he gave up then...he didn't give up against Carolina...when we get down 20+ points there is no reason for him to see the field.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 01:08 PM
I would like to see more of Kolby.

Kolby will do just as poorly if there's no blocking.

StcChief
10-06-2008, 01:09 PM
are you nuts? We got ran over on the road by a top NFL team. period.

TinyEvel
10-06-2008, 01:12 PM
Larry needs to look where he's running. He just puts his head down and runs into the back of the Guard (or Niswangers) ass crack, and does the Fred Flintstone running in place then either falls down or gets ankle grabbed by a defender.

If he could look up and see a wall of red jerseybacks, then he'd have a chance to make a move to the side.

MOhillbilly
10-06-2008, 01:17 PM
its time for herm and the chiefs front office to make a stand and bench larry. if nothing else itll put the rest of the players on notice.

B_Ambuehl
10-06-2008, 01:27 PM
I am amazed by how much he's lost physically. His legs are pretty much gone.

beach tribe
10-06-2008, 01:27 PM
Is it just me, or is the planet getting dumber. It must be watching all this Herm coached football dumbing us down.

MOhillbilly
10-06-2008, 01:28 PM
Is it just me, or is the planet getting dumber. It must be watching all this Herm coached football dumbing us down.

you dont think he can be a big friggin baby when things dont go his way?

beach tribe
10-06-2008, 01:31 PM
you dont think he can be a big friggin baby when things dont go his way?

Yeah, I guess, and they should be giving the other guys more carries anyway, but LJ is not gonna get benched. It's just not gonna happen. It's all moot.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 01:36 PM
I am amazed by how much he's lost physically. His legs are pretty much gone.

:rolleyes:

That explains the career-long run last week.

Fried Meat Ball!
10-06-2008, 01:42 PM
I think we need to keep LJ in the lineup. We just need an O-line who can block worth a crap. The right side of the line is killing us right now. We also need to throw the ball farther than 5 yds. We have to open up some running lanes for LJ with the deep ball a few times. Whether that is lack of gameplan or just lack of a QB we need to get a vertical throwing game going. JMO though

Preferably a deep pass to a player wearing our jersey... that deep pass with no receiver yesterday was UUUUGLYYYY.

Fried Meat Ball!
10-06-2008, 01:42 PM
:rolleyes:

That explains the career-long run last week.

Charles wouldn't have gotten caught from behind. :Poke:

beach tribe
10-06-2008, 01:45 PM
Charles wouldn't have gotten caught from behind. :Poke:

Charles doesn't weigh 240 lbs.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 01:45 PM
Charles wouldn't have gotten caught from behind. :Poke:

Can we stop talking about Jamaal Charles? Christ.

triple
10-06-2008, 01:51 PM
:rolleyes:

That explains the career-long run last week.

charles would have taken that to the house. maybe smith too.

it explains why he got caught from behind though

FringeNC
10-06-2008, 01:58 PM
I missed John Fox's comments on LJ. What exactly did he say?

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 01:59 PM
charles would have taken that to the house. maybe smith too.

it explains why he got caught from behind though

Larry has been getting caught from behind since 2006. He hasn't lost anything.

4th and Long
10-06-2008, 01:59 PM
I've been thinking about this.
There's the problem, right there!

Redrum_69
10-06-2008, 01:59 PM
Can we stop talking about Jamaal Charles? Christ.


Charles can pass block
Johnson steps to the side

Charles can run
Johnson can run..into teammates

Charles has a second and third level boost
Johnson lost his boost when he took off his diapers

Charles keeps his mouth shut in a loss
Johnson bitches to the media about being phased out

Charles has a team mentality
Johnson only cares about himself and his rap album

Charles backs Obama
Johnson backs Obama, only because McCain reminds him of Vermeil

Charles has a foundation of football
Johnsons dad tried to teach Larry how to block, when that failed he moved on to Tamba Hali...

FringeNC
10-06-2008, 02:01 PM
Johnsons dad tried to teach Larry how to block, when that failed he moved on to Tamba Hali...

ROFL

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
10-06-2008, 02:30 PM
The better question is:

"Is it time to bench MacIntosh?"

Hard to do any running (or passing) when the left end is getting to the QB almost before the exchange. Len mentioned several times in the radio broadcast about seeing #77 on his back right next to the QB.

There is no reason for MacIntosh to be playing. Get Richardson on the field and put the never-was on the bench. We need to know what Richardson has. We already know what Mac's got . . . nothing.

CupidStunt
10-06-2008, 02:32 PM
I am amazed by how much he's lost physically. His legs are pretty much gone.

Rubbish. He just has zero vision.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 02:34 PM
Another fucking stupid poll.

You know who should be benched?

McIntosh!

Who else?

Jones!

Who else?

Huard

Who else?

Webb (why is this guy even on the team?)




In all fairness, Webb has as many catches as Darling does.

So if Webb goes, Darling goes.

Which is fine by me...

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 02:39 PM
I wouldn't give up on ANY receiver considering the state of the quarterback situation and the pass protection.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 02:41 PM
I wouldn't give up on ANY receiver considering the state of the quarterback situation and the pass protection.

Me neither.

They'll be gone soon enough when a new coach comes in and realizes that the majority of them can't separate from NFL DB's...

Redrum_69
10-06-2008, 02:44 PM
Is Herm showing favoritism towards certain players based on race and ethnicity..and possibly religion?

Redrum_69
10-06-2008, 02:45 PM
If the prophet Muhammed was a football player...would he play for the Chiefs just to help them win?

talastan
10-06-2008, 02:46 PM
Preferably a deep pass to a player wearing our jersey... that deep pass with no receiver yesterday was UUUUGLYYYY.

I agreed, I'll be more specific next time. Huard might get confused and think throwing it to the other team counts as a completion..:doh!:

beach tribe
10-06-2008, 02:49 PM
I am amazed by how much he's lost physically. His legs are pretty much gone.

You'd really be amazed at how his skills would magically reappear if Will Shields was blocking for him.

El Jefe
10-06-2008, 03:03 PM
I think we need to keep LJ in the lineup. We just need an O-line who can block worth a crap. The right side of the line is killing us right now. We also need to throw the ball farther than 5 yds. We have to open up some running lanes for LJ with the deep ball a few times. Whether that is lack of gameplan or just lack of a QB we need to get a vertical throwing game going. JMO though


QFT, all of it IMO.

MOhillbilly
10-06-2008, 03:11 PM
Yeah, I guess, and they should be giving the other guys more carries anyway, but LJ is not gonna get benched. It's just not gonna happen. It's all moot.

stars have been benched before.

Dave Lane
10-06-2008, 03:24 PM
I say bench him to piss him off. He might run angry again.

Dave

ClevelandBronco
10-06-2008, 03:32 PM
i dont think you could show me any runs that he's made this year that smith or charles couldn't have made.

My point is that neither I nor you could show anyone any runs that Larry made that anyone else could have made. Larry's runs are his own. You cannot project his runs to any other runner.

okcchief
10-06-2008, 03:57 PM
We shouldn't bench him because he is still the best back we have. Plus, the young backs will get playing time anyway. No reason to beat them up.

We should trade him if we can get anything valuable in return. IMO he will be done by the time this team is good again.

Yesterday wasn't his fault. He gets too much credit when he has a good day and too much blame when he has a bad day. If you block for him he will produce and he could be a great asset for a good team.

KcFanInGA
10-06-2008, 04:10 PM
We are fine at RB. Lets focus on something else, LJ is one of the best backs in this league, period. Get a line, get a QB, get a real coach and then see what he does.

DaneMcCloud
10-06-2008, 04:19 PM
In all fairness, Webb has as many catches as Darling does.

So if Webb goes, Darling goes.

Which is fine by me...

Webb's had three training camps and 37 games to prove that he belongs in the NFL. IMO, he doesn't.

Darling is a 5th receiver at best. Franklin should be starting opposite Bowe and Hagans or anyone else should be in the slot.

Webb's time is over.

rambleonthruthefog
10-06-2008, 04:19 PM
If you block for him he will produce and he could be a great asset for a good team.

then save whats left of him, so we can get good value for him. i agree he won't be much by the time we are good.

smittysbar
10-06-2008, 04:26 PM
Looked like to me he was benched last game.......IMO he needs to be on the field regardless if we get behind, not all the time, but at least some.

No I would not bench him.

WTF did Fox say, I must have missed it.

Skip Towne
10-06-2008, 05:54 PM
Larry has been getting caught from behind since 2006. He hasn't lost anything.

What was his combine 40 time?

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 05:56 PM
4.62 40

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:06 PM
What was his combine 40 time?

4.45

Larry's game has always been acceleration, not blazing top end, long speed. Ask penchief.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:07 PM
4.45

where did you get that clay?

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:08 PM
where did you get that clay?

My brain. You better believe I have all of Larry's pertinent stats memorized.

But here's a link:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=28235&draftyear=2003&genpos=RB

MIAdragon
10-06-2008, 06:09 PM
Yeah, bench Larry so we can watch Jamaal Charles get stuffed in the backfield instead. Great idea. You ****ing moron.

Whats with the name calling Jack Ass? LJ doesn't get "stuffed" he flops after running into the back of his own linemen. Id like to see what Charles can do as well.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:12 PM
My brain. You better believe I have all of Larry's pertinent stats memorized.

But here's a link:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=28235&draftyear=2003&genpos=RB

he asked about his COMBINE #s on that site you gave it was 4.55, his proday was 4.45, i googled it and found his combine #s as 4.62. your stats could be a little off . mine could be off due to wiki.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:16 PM
Ah. Well, 4.45 is his fastest 40 from what I've seen. I'd say that's still his 40, maybe he's a hair slower.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:17 PM
but that # was at his pro day where the #s could be skewed to look better

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:18 PM
Whats with the name calling Jack Ass? LJ doesn't get "stuffed" he flops after running into the back of his own linemen. Id like to see what Charles can do as well.

Charles isn't going to do any better. Sure, he might gain a couple more yards when there's actually a hole for him to rip through. But he won't be powering forward for a couple more yards when there's no hole at all. It would even out.

Our offensive line sucks. Anyone blaming Larry for 2 yards on 7 carries is completely fucking retarded.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:18 PM
i would say 4.6 - 4.7 would be closer

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:18 PM
but that # was at his pro day where the #s could be skewed to look better

Either way, I'm right.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:19 PM
i would say 4.6 - 4.7 would be closer

Priest was slower than Larry, dude. You think Priest ran a 4.8? Larry runs a legit 4.45.

I<3Herm
10-06-2008, 06:19 PM
Charles isn't going to do any better. Sure, he might gain a couple more yards when there's actually a hole for him to rip through. But he won't be powering forward for a couple more yards when there's no hole at all. It would even out.

Our offensive line sucks. Anyone blaming Larry for 2 yards on 7 carries is completely ****ing retarded.

It's Larry's fault. Deal with it.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:24 PM
Priest was slower than Larry, dude. You think Priest ran a 4.8? Larry runs a legit 4.45.

look priest up on your website there.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:25 PM
holmes ran a 4.7 at the combine

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:26 PM
look priest up on your website there.

Priest was undrafted. I don't know that he even went to the combine.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:26 PM
who broke longer runs?

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:26 PM
Priest was undrafted. I don't know that he even went to the combine.

4.7 buddy.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:26 PM
who broke longer runs?

Larry for sure.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:27 PM
then he worked out at lightning fast performance and ran a 4.5 4 weeks later.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:28 PM
then he worked out at lightning fast performance and ran a 4.5 4 weeks later.

Is there a point to any of this? Larry was faster than Priest.

I<3Herm
10-06-2008, 06:28 PM
Is there a point to any of this? Larry was faster than Priest.

Were there Fig Newtons involved?

smittysbar
10-06-2008, 06:30 PM
then he worked out at lightning fast performance and ran a 4.5 4 weeks later.

Why do have have to argue stupid little details all the fucking time. It's like all you are looking for is something to argue. It has gotten very old IMO

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:30 PM
I agree with smitty. It's wearing a little thin.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:31 PM
you're right larry WAS faster, is he any more? you dont like when others pull stats? Lj ran a 4.55 AT THE COMBINE, a 4.45 at HIS pro day, priest ran a 4.7 at the combine, a 4.5 at his pro day, not much difference there.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:31 PM
you're right larry WAS faster, is he any more? you dont like when others pull stats? Lj ran a 4.55 AT THE COMBINE, a 4.45 at HIS pro day, priest ran a 4.7 at the combine, a 4.5 at his pro day, not much difference there.

Drop it.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:32 PM
Why do have have to argue stupid little details all the fucking time. It's like all you are looking for is something to argue. It has gotten very old IMO

you know i WASNT looking tonight, someone asked, i answered clay answered something else, i wanted to know the truth, anyways what is it to you?

I<3Herm
10-06-2008, 06:33 PM
you know i WASNT looking tonight, someone asked, i answered clay answered something else, i wanted to know the truth, anyways what is it to you?

FWIW, i respect your opinions.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:34 PM
FWIW, i respect your opinions.

ROFL

smittysbar
10-06-2008, 06:37 PM
you know i WASNT looking tonight, someone asked, i answered clay answered something else, i wanted to know the truth, anyways what is it to you?

And you won't let it fucking go, you sure seem to have a lot of problems around here, seems the consensus is you.

You seem to be the guy that is always right and never wrong, very annoying

smittysbar
10-06-2008, 06:38 PM
FWIW, i respect your opinions.

:D

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:38 PM
And you won't let it fucking go, you sure seem to have a lot of problems around here, seems the consensus is you.

You seem to be the guy that is always right and never wrong, very annoying

thats not me. if numbers back it up wht not stand your ground? like i said if you dont like what i say or do then dont read my posts.

Count Zarth
10-06-2008, 06:50 PM
thats not me. if numbers back it up wht not stand your ground? like i said if you dont like what i say or do then dont read my posts.

OK, this is a really pointless argument, but I'm going to (hopefully) conclude it.

We know from your statistical data (BTW, where did you find it?) that Priest ran a 4.5 at his pro day and Larry ran a 4.45.

However, when Larry and Priest played together, Priest was in his 30s and was coming off multiple lower-body injuries. Larry is still 28. And yes, Larry has broken a hell of a lot more long runs than Priest.

Are we done here?

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 06:52 PM
i was already done man.