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Mr. Laz
10-06-2008, 07:38 PM
2009 Mock NFL Draft: Updated 25 September 08

As we have seen in recent years, underclassmen will likely dominate the 2009 NFL Draft. If you see (JR) it means the prospects will be juniors for the 2009 NFL Draft. This draft will be very weak at quarterback and receiver, but should be incredibly strong at linebacker, tight end and offensive tackle. The order is based off our NFL Power rankings (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/NFL%20Power%20Poll.htm).

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Drafts/2009_nfl_mock_draft.htm

<table border="1" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td colspan="4" bgcolor="#0033cc">2009 NFL Mock Draft</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#c0c0c0">Team</td><td bgcolor="#c0c0c0">Pos </td><td bgcolor="#c0c0c0">Player</td><td style="width: 385px;" bgcolor="#c0c0c0">Comments:</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475119.gif</td><td align="center">1</td><td>QB, Mathew Stafford, Georgia (JR) (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Matt%20Stafford.htm)</td><td style="width: 385px;">If the strong armed Stafford comes out early he will likely be the first QB taken. Is Trent Green really starting for the Rams?</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475114.gif</td><td align="center">2</td><td>LB, R (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/rey_maualuga.htm)ey Maualuga, USC (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/rey_maualuga.htm) </td><td style="width: 385px;">They won't draft another receiver, but instead will upgrade their defense. Big, fast linebackers are hard to find. Rey might have been a top ten pick if he would have entered the 2008 NFL Draft.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474907.jpg</td><td align="center">3</td><td>OT, Andre Smith, Alabama (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Smith is huge at 6' 4" 330 pounds, slides his thick legs very well and plays with great balance and power. Might end up at guard.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474916.jpg</td><td align="center">4</td><td>WR, Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech (Soph) (http://www.nfl-draft-site.com/2008/08/young-guns-for-2009-nfl-draft.html)
</td><td style="width: 385px;">The top receiver in the nation is a draft eligible sophomore. He is even good enough to be the first over all pick. A nice target for QB JaMarcus Russell.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/browns.gif</td><td align="center">5</td><td>RB, Knowshon Moreno, Georgia (Soph)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Moreno is a draft eligible sophomore and the best running back in the nation, hands down.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474901.jpg</td><td align="center">6</td><td>OT, Eugene Monroe, Virginia</td><td style="width: 385px;">Wow three OTs taken in the top ten. Monroe (6' 5" 315 lbs) is just as talented as teammate Brandon Albert who was drafted 15th over all by the KC Chiefs. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474909.jpg</td><td align="center">7</td><td>LB, James (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/James%20Laurinaitis.htm)
Laurin (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/James%20Laurinaitis.htm)aitis,Ohio State (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/James%20Laurinaitis.htm)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Parcells loves to draft linebackers. Laurinaitis won the Butkis Award (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NCAA_2007/2007_college_football_awards.htm) in 2007 and could have been a top ten pick if he would have entered the 2008 NFL Draft.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475108.jpg</td><td align="center">8</td><td>OT, Michael Oher, Ole Miss (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/michael_oher.htm)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Oher is very athletic, has nice size (6' 6" 320 lbs) and plays with a chip on his shoulder. Young, talented QB Matt Ryan needs protection.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474922.jpg</td><td align="center">9</td><td>CB, Vontae Davis, Illinois (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">The younger brother of 49er TE Vernon Davis. He (Davis) has as much talent as any DB in the nation, has decent size (5' 11" 188 lbs) and runs a 4.35 forty. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/vikings.gif</td><td align="center">10</td><td>
CB, Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State </td><td style="width: 385px;">I was surprised Jenkins didn't enter the 2008 NFL Draft, where he would have been a top 20 selection. Jenkins is the top rated cornerback entering the 2008 season. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474910.jpg</td><td align="center">11</td><td>LB, Brian Cushing, USC (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Brian-Cushing.htm)</td><td style="width: 385px;">He fought injuries last year, but as a soph recorded 57 tackles and 13.5 tackles for loss. The Jags get a potential pro bowl linebacker with nice size (6' 3" 245 lbs). Also very good in pass coverage. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475100.jpg</td><td align="center">12</td><td>QB, Curtis Painter, Purdue (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/curtis_painter.htm)</td><td style="width: 385px;">The 6' 3" 224 pound quarterback has legitimate NFL potential. The Bears haven't drafted a quarterback since 2005, when they drafted Kyle Orton in the 4th round. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474911.jpg</td><td align="center">13</td><td>DE, Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech </td><td style="width: 385px;">Not huge at 6' 6" 255 pounds, but he is very explosive coming off the edge. Almost entered the 2008 NFL Draft where he was graded as a 3rd rounder despite missing most of the season with injuries.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/474917.jpg</td><td align="center">14</td><td>LB, Brandon Spikes, Florida (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Spikes hits like a ton of bricks and has nice size at 6' 3" 240 lbs. He recorded 16 tackles for loss and 7 pass break-ups in 2007. </td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475122.gif</td><td align="center">15</td><td>WR, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland (JR) </td><td style="width: 385px;">Seattle doesn't have a receiver that can draw a double team, enter Heyward-Bey. Big (6' 3" 206), fast (4.34)and great hands.</td></tr><tr><td class="style36" colspan="4"><script type="text/javascript"> sr_adspace_id = 2475507; sr_adspace_width = 728; sr_adspace_height = 90; sr_adspace_type = "graphic"; sr_color_back = "#FFFFFF"; sr_color_text = "#000000"; sr_color_url = "#E15F00"; sr_color_title = "#3F66B3"; sr_color_border = "#3366CC"; sr_color_your_ad = "#2852A3"; sr_color_your_adbk = "#FFDD81"; sr_ad_new_window = true; </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://ad.afy11.net/srad.js?azId=2475507"> </script>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475099.jpg</td><td align="center">16</td><td>RB, Chris (Beenie) Wells, Ohio State (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Wells (6' 1" 225 lbs/ 4.46 speed) has all the talent in the world and will rise up the boards again once he gets healthy. A needed relief for Frank Gore.</td></tr><tr><td class="style36">http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/Colts65by65.jpg</td><td class="style36" align="center">17</td><td class="style36">WR, Jeremy Maclin, Missouri (soph) (http://www.nfl-draft-site.com/2008/08/young-guns-for-2009-nfl-draft.html)</td><td class="style36" style="width: 385px;">An eligible soph, if he comes out early he will be a hot commodity. Maclin (6' 1" 200), exploded for a team high 1,055 receiving yards last season. Blazing fast, Maclin ran a 4.32 this spring.</td></tr><tr><td class="style36">http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475121.gif</td><td class="style36" align="center">18</td><td class="style36">DE/OLB Antonio Coleman, Auburn (JR)</td><td class="style36" style="width: 385px;">Coleman is a pass rushing terror, after only three games into the 2008 season he already has 4 sacks and 5 tackles for a loss.</td></tr><tr><td>http://www.nfldraftdog.com/images/475104.jpg</td><td align="center">19</td><td>
LB, Aaron Curry, Wake Forest (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/aaron_curry.htm)</td><td style="width: 385px;">A very talented, relatively unknown linebacker with nice size (6' 3" 247 lbs). Curry recorded 13.5 tackles for loss in 2007.</td></tr><tr><td>Washington
</td><td align="center">20</td><td>DE, George Selvie, South Florida (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Selvie is a pass rushing terror, constant double teams this year, but in 2007 Selvie led the nation in tackles for loss with an amazing 31.5 and an additional 14.5 sacks. </td></tr><tr><td>Philly
</td><td align="center">21</td><td>FS, William Moore, Missouri </td><td style="width: 385px;">From Panthers: Moore is the epitome of a ball hawk, recording 8 interceptions in 2007 which was tops in the country. He is also a big time hitter with nice size at 6' 1" 215 lbs.</td></tr><tr><td>Chargers
</td><td align="center">22</td><td>CB, Darius Butler, Connecticut</td><td style="width: 385px;">Butler is a supreme talent and will give the Chargers some depth at the corner position.</td></tr><tr><td>Green
Bay
</td><td align="center">23</td><td>CB, Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest</td><td style="width: 385px;">This little ball hawk is an excellent cover corner. Al Harris suffered a serious injury and might not make it back 100%.</td></tr><tr><td>Bucs
</td><td align="center">24</td><td>WR, Percy Harvin, Florida (JR) (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/percy_harvin_nfl_draft_prospect.htm)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Not huge at 5' 11" 184 pounds, but Harvin is a super talent and put up huge numbers in 2007 where he ran for 764 yards and 6 TDs and also caught 59 passes for 858 yards and 4 TDs. </td></tr><tr><td>Patriots
</td><td align="center">25</td><td>WR, Brian Robiskie, Ohio State</td><td style="width: 385px;">Robiskie should be one of the top senior receivers available for the 2009 NFL Draft. He is the son of former NFL player and current coach Terry Robiskie and had 55 receptions for 935 yards and 11 TDs in 2007.</td></tr><tr><td>Steelers
</td><td align="center">26</td><td class="style36">OT, Fenuki Tupou, Oregon</td><td style="width: 385px;">Tupou is an under rated tackle with nice size (6' 5" 328 lbs). He held his own against South Florida's George Selvie in the Sun Bowl.</td></tr><tr><td colspan="4"><script type="text/javascript"><!-- google_ad_client = "pub-7670561362994454"; google_ad_slot = "7942487620"; google_ad_width = 300; google_ad_height = 250; //--> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script>
</td></tr><tr><td>Titans
</td><td align="center">27</td><td>DE/OLB Everette Brown, Florida State (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Brown is in the mold of the Cowboys DeMarcus Ware. He is off to a good start in 2008 with 2 sacks and 4 tackle for losses (TFL) after only three games.</td></tr><tr><td>Philly
</td><td align="center">28</td><td>TE, Brandon Pettigrew, OK State (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">2009 might be considered the year of the tight if a couple talented juniors declare. At 6' 5" 260 pounds Pettigrew is a complete tight end.</td></tr><tr><td align="center">Buffalo
</td><td align="center">29 </td><td>TE Travis Beckum, Wisconsin (http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Travis%20Beckum.htm)</td><td style="width: 385px;">Beckum reminds me of the 49ers Vernon Davis. He (Beckum) is more of a speedy H-back at 6' 4" 235 lbs, but his speed will really stretch the field.</td></tr><tr><td align="center">Giants
</td><td align="center">30 </td><td>OT Jamon Meridith, South Carolina</td><td style="width: 385px;">Meridith (6' 5" 305 lbs) came out of no where to be one of the top offensive lineman entering the 2009 season. He seems to get better each game under Steve Spurriers tutelage.</td></tr><tr><td>Broncos
</td><td align="center">31</td><td>DT, Peria Jerry, Ole Miss</td><td style="width: 385px;">The Broncos still need help on defense and Jerry (6' 2" 292 lbs) is a stud. After getting surgery in week one, he only missed one full game and has already recorded 4.5 tackles for loss.</td></tr><tr><td>Dallas
</td><td align="center">32</td><td>OG, George (Duke) Robinson, Oklahoma (JR)</td><td style="width: 385px;">A massive (6' 4" 330 lbs), athletic offensive lineman that can easily start at left guard for Dallas. The question is, will Robinson fall this far or will Dallas have to trade up to get him?</td></tr><tr><td colspan="4"><script type="text/javascript"> sr_adspace_id = 2475507; sr_adspace_width = 728; sr_adspace_height = 90; sr_adspace_type = "graphic"; sr_color_back = "#FFFFFF"; sr_color_text = "#000000"; sr_color_url = "#E15F00"; sr_color_title = "#3F66B3"; sr_color_border = "#3366CC"; sr_color_your_ad = "#2852A3"; sr_color_your_adbk = "#FFDD81"; sr_ad_new_window = true; </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://ad.afy11.net/srad.js?azId=2475507"> </script>
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ChiefsCountry
10-06-2008, 07:39 PM
That would blow if the draft fell like that.

JASONSAUTO
10-06-2008, 07:40 PM
really.

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 07:42 PM
that's how it goes down?

we're f*cked. TWO tackles in consecutive years who may turn into guards. lord help us.

keg in kc
10-06-2008, 07:43 PM
I don't particularly want to draft any "might end up a guard" in the top 5.

JimNasium
10-06-2008, 07:43 PM
I'd love to see the reaction if we end up with a tackle-to-guard conversion at #3.

DeezNutz
10-06-2008, 07:43 PM
No thanks. Oher or Crabtree would be fine. Even Johnson.

Of course, we should think about trading up to get Daniel b/c he'll likely be first off the board. Then, trade back into the first to snag Maclin. Coffman in the second.

Dynasty...(without the tradition of Nebraska, of course)

keg in kc
10-06-2008, 07:44 PM
we're f*cked. TWO tackles in consecutive years who may turn into guards. lord help us.Assuming he's not injury prone, I'd say Albert's already shown he can play tackle.

Long Duk Dong
10-06-2008, 07:45 PM
Bad bad bad.

I<3Herm
10-06-2008, 07:46 PM
that's how it goes down?

we're f*cked. TWO tackles in consecutive years who may turn into guards. lord help us.

Do you guys even know who Smith is or are you just basing this off the guy's comment. Smith is a very good player. He's not a QB but we'd be lucky to have him. He's much more polished than Oher at this point. He's very much a legit Tackle prospect.

philfree
10-06-2008, 07:47 PM
As much as I prefer to draft the best player available I don't think we'll draft OT with a top pick two years in a row. We've got our LT in Alberts unless he continues to be injured. Michael Johnson sure dropped in this mock.

PhilFree:arrow:

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 07:48 PM
Assuming he's not injury prone, I'd say Albert's already shown he can play tackle.

I think he'll be a great LT for years. BUT, as many have pointed, out, he's GOOD as a guard, and could be GREAT as a tackle.

you do NOT draft a guard in the first round. period. end of sentence, end of story.

let's face it though. guard to tackle is the new safety to cornerback.

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 07:49 PM
Do you guys even know who Smith is or are you just basing this off the guy's comment. Smith is a very good player. He's not a QB but we'd be lucky to have him. He's much more polished than Oher at this point. He's very much a legit Tackle prospect.

I know who he is. I was being a smartass, n00b.

Mr. Laz
10-06-2008, 07:50 PM
wouldn't we grab Crabtree if it fell like this?



2 years we grab arguably the best player in the draft......

Mr. Arrowhead
10-06-2008, 07:50 PM
this Mock is a joke

RustShack
10-06-2008, 07:50 PM
Drafting an OG #3?

ChiefsCountry
10-06-2008, 07:50 PM
The only upside to this is that Andre Smith at left tackle and Albert at guard would be a scary good OL for many many years.

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 07:51 PM
wouldn't we grab Crabtree if it fell like this?



2 years we grab arguably the best player in the draft......

yep. I'd either take crabtree or the best passrushing DE (so we can put hali back in his best position).

keg in kc
10-06-2008, 07:53 PM
I think he'll be a great LT for years. BUT, as many have pointed, out, he's GOOD as a guard, and could be GREAT as a tackle.

you do NOT draft a guard in the first round. period. end of sentence, end of story.

let's face it though. guard to tackle is the new safety to cornerback.Good thing we drafted a tackle then, ain't it.

ChiefsCountry
10-06-2008, 07:53 PM
Drafting an OG #3?

He isnt a guard, he will be a left tackle in the league.

I<3Herm
10-06-2008, 07:55 PM
He isnt a guard, he will be a left tackle in the league.

That's what i've been saying. Disregard the guard talk. He's more polished than Oher and is a legit tackle prospect.

keg in kc
10-06-2008, 07:55 PM
And yea, Crabtree sounds more like it to me.

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 07:56 PM
Good thing we drafted a tackle then, ain't it.

indeed.

which is why I really don't want a tackle. let albert develop and get a QB if at all possible, a DE, or crabtree.

I wouldn't be unhappy with trading down a few slots and getting maualaga

Mr. Arrowhead
10-06-2008, 07:56 PM
there is no way Curtis Painter gets drafted at #12

ChiefsCountry
10-06-2008, 07:57 PM
indeed.

which is why I really don't want a tackle. let albert develop and get a QB if at all possible, a DE, or crabtree.

I wouldn't be unhappy with trading down a few slots and getting maualaga

Did you see this draft, Maualaga was taken #2.

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 07:59 PM
Did you see this draft, Maualaga was taken #2.

I honestly don't see anybody picking maualuga that high come next april.

I could be wrong. I could be right. who the hell knows right now.

but I just don't see anybody picking maualuga that high.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 08:00 PM
Andre Smith in no way shape or form ends up as a guard, but this mock is pretty much the worst scenario that could happen.

Crabtree I suspect won't have a top 5 grade on him due to his workouts.

ChiefsCountry
10-06-2008, 08:00 PM
I agree with you on that. 5 to 15 is Maualaga's range.

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 08:01 PM
Andre Smith in no way shape or form ends up as a guard, but this mock is pretty much the worst scenario that could happen.

and probably EXACTLY how it will go down...

and once more, we as chiefs fans are fucked.

we should be used to it.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 08:03 PM
If we aren't taking a QB it has to be a DE simple as that.

Mr. Laz
10-06-2008, 08:05 PM
If we aren't taking a QB it has to be a DE simple as that.

so no "Best available" this year?

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 08:06 PM
we need a DE. badly.

but crabtree wouldn't hurt my feelings. at all.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 08:07 PM
so no "Best available" this year?

You wanna take another OT, hey be my guest although our team will look exactly the same.

BigVE
10-06-2008, 08:07 PM
Meh, I'm guessing St. Louis and Detroit pull out a few wins and we end up in the number 1 slot. This mock is a crock.

DaKCMan AP
10-06-2008, 08:08 PM
Maualuga at 2? 4 LBs in the top-14? ROFL

Mr. Laz
10-06-2008, 08:11 PM
You wanna take another OT, hey be my guest although our team will look exactly the same.
hey ... you the one that says every year that selecting for need is what got the Chiefs in this bad shape.

changing your mind?

Mecca
10-06-2008, 08:16 PM
hey ... you the one that says every year that selecting for need is what got the Chiefs in this bad shape.

changing your mind?

No not really I just don't agree with this mock there is no way Michael Johnson isn't a top 10 pick.

Mr. Laz
10-06-2008, 08:21 PM
No not really I just don't agree with this mock there is no way Michael Johnson isn't a top 10 pick.
hmmm ...

not exactly what you said though is it


QB or DE this year ........ period?

btlook1
10-06-2008, 08:28 PM
So Dallas is going to win the superbowl? NOT! I see the Giant's doing a repeat before Dallas!

the Talking Can
10-06-2008, 08:29 PM
a True Fan's wet dream

win enough games to not get our QB, and then draft a guard.....lovely


every game we win this year is a disaster...we need to be #1

DeezNutz
10-06-2008, 08:29 PM
Wouldn't Crabtree be the BPA? It's not like we couldn't use a #1 receiver. Bowe is very solid (so it seems, at least), but he can't stretch the field, so he's more of a possession type.

I'm sure the Bowe crowd will be pleased with this comment, but, unfortunately, it's the truth.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 08:34 PM
Wouldn't Crabtree be the BPA? It's not like we couldn't use a #1 receiver. Bowe is very solid (so it seems, at least), but he can't stretch the field, so he's more of a possession type.

I'm sure the Bowe crowd will be pleased with this comment, but, unfortunately, it's the truth.

Crabtree is going to get the serious question thing, expect it. Let me show you a write up on him....

Whether itís in 2008, 2009 or even 2010 Michael Crabtree is going to be a very interesting and controversial pro prospect. Just a redshirt sophomore, Crabtree is coming off one of the most prolific seasons for a pass catcher in the history of college football but when evaluating him for the next level there are some big concerns. Not only does Crabtree play in an offense that is conducive to putting up those big numbers but he is also relatively inexperienced and may not have the ideal timed speed you look for. The question becomes is he Larry Fitzgerald or is he Jarrett Hicks? You will probably see him going much earlier in other mock drafts but considering those question marks I have a hard time putting Crabtree any higher than this.

This is 15.

HolmeZz
10-06-2008, 08:35 PM
I love Smith and Oher. I'd probably take Crabtree in that spot though.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 08:37 PM
For Crabtree to go that high he better run faster than his projected 4.4....the team he's on will knock him.

DeezNutz
10-06-2008, 08:37 PM
Crabtree is going to get the serious question thing, expect it. Let me show you a write up on him....

Whether itís in 2008, 2009 or even 2010 Michael Crabtree is going to be a very interesting and controversial pro prospect. Just a redshirt sophomore, Crabtree is coming off one of the most prolific seasons for a pass catcher in the history of college football but when evaluating him for the next level there are some big concerns. Not only does Crabtree play in an offense that is conducive to putting up those big numbers but he is also relatively inexperienced and may not have the ideal timed speed you look for. The question becomes is he Larry Fitzgerald or is he Jarrett Hicks? You will probably see him going much earlier in other mock drafts but considering those question marks I have a hard time putting Crabtree any higher than this.

This is 15.

That's interesting. Going into the season, I thought he was being talked about in the same fashion as Calvin Johnson, an All-Everything WR and can't-miss talent.

Nightfyre
10-06-2008, 08:38 PM
I'd take Johnson in that spot, no doubt.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 08:40 PM
That's interesting. Going into the season, I thought he was being talked about in the same fashion as Calvin Johnson, an All-Everything WR and can't-miss talent.

Calvin Johnson is much faster....

Crabtree's best upside is Fitzgerald who didn't have great timed speed either but he also didn't play in a gimmick offense.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 08:43 PM
I love how in October, some of you guys just KNOW that we'll have to be picking 1st to get Stafford.

How quickly we've forgotten this time last year, when it was a supposed lock that Brian Brohm and Andre Woodson would be the first two QB's taken in the draft.

How interesting that one of those players was picked in the late 2nd round, and is currently the 3rd QB behind a guy that was picked in the 7th round of the same draft - and one of those players was lucky to be drafted at all, slipping to the 6th round, and is currently on a PRACTICE SQUAD, available to anyone willing to give him a roster spot.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 08:45 PM
Point out to me something Stafford does that will drop him.....he doesn't have Woodson's throwing motion or release...or injury issues or a light arm.

Stafford is everything that makes guys rise in the scouting room not fall.

DeezNutz
10-06-2008, 09:00 PM
Calvin Johnson is much faster....

Crabtree's best upside is Fitzgerald who didn't have great timed speed either but he also didn't play in a gimmick offense.

Cool. I'd take a Fitz...

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:02 PM
Point out to me something Stafford does that will drop him.....he doesn't have Woodson's throwing motion or release...or injury issues or a light arm.

Stafford is everything that makes guys rise in the scouting room not fall.



What did Woodson and Brohm do to get dropped?

How are you a lead-pipe lock to be a high R1 pick in October, then almost fall to the 3rd round in April?

Better yet, how do you not beat out Matt fucking Flynn for the backup job?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4207322&postcount=80

TrickyNicky
10-06-2008, 09:06 PM
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:13 PM
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

Exactly why you DON'T reach for a player based on need.

TrickyNicky
10-06-2008, 09:15 PM
If we're top 3 and we don't take Stafford if he's there, we riot.

philfree
10-06-2008, 09:18 PM
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.


As nice as that would be there will come a point where we have to visit free agency to get a player or two that can fill the gaps. IMO 2009 will be that time. Because of the nature of the league with injuries and free agency there is no way you can count on building a team with no free agents. Players that have been drafted will not work out, become lost forever to injury or be lost as free agents. It doesn't appear that way right now but have a nucleus of young players which we've drafted the last three years. We need to hit on next years draft in the first couple of rounds and then we need to fill out the roster with some worth while free agents. Pinning our hopes to rookies every year just won't cut it. Just ask Detroit and AZ about it.

PhilFree:arrow:

TrickyNicky
10-06-2008, 09:20 PM
I agree. We have the cap to make a run at some of the bigger free agents. One thing we can't do is offer our top 3 picks in trades. We need all the help we can get at this point.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:23 PM
What did Woodson and Brohm do to get dropped?

How are you a lead-pipe lock to be a high R1 pick in October, then almost fall to the 3rd round in April?

Better yet, how do you not beat out Matt ****ing Flynn for the backup job?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4207322&postcount=80

Woodson's throwing motion killed him, people think/thought he'd throw tons of INT's because of how slow the ball came out.

Brohm's issues are he tends to get injured and his arm isn't that great....

Stafford is a better prospect than any of the guys last year and that includes Ryan who I would have drafted without a problem.

Nightfyre
10-06-2008, 09:23 PM
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

My team's needs analysis:
QB-10/10-Need Franchise QB
HB-4/10-Need 3rd String, trade LJ
FB-0/10
WR-7/10-Need a legitimate 2nd option
TE-5/10-Need a 2nd string, trade TG
OT-7/10-Need a RT or depth player
OG-6/10-Need a RG and depth player
C-0/10

DE-9/10-Need Starting RDE
DT-5/10-Need depth
OLB-6/10-Need depth
MLB-9/10-Need starter
CB-4/10-Need depth
S-0/10

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:23 PM
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

The biggest of which is QB, without a QB you become the Vikings.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:24 PM
My team's needs analysis:
QB-10/10-Need Franchise QB
HB-4/10-Need 3rd String, trade LJ
FB-0/10
WR-7/10-Need a legitimate 2nd option
TE-5/10-Need a 2nd string, trade TG
OT-7/10-Need a RT or depth player
OG-6/10-Need a RG and depth player
C-0/10

DE-9/10-Need Starting RDE
DT-5/10-Need depth
OLB-6/10-Need depth
MLB-9/10-Need starter
CB-4/10-Need depth
S-0/10

Eh safety should have some points as of now none of our safeties look like they are world beaters.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:25 PM
Woodson's throwing motion killed him, people think/thought he'd throw tons of INT's because of how slow the ball came out.

Brohm's issues are he tends to get injured and his arm isn't that great....

Stafford is a better prospect than any of the guys last year and that includes Ryan who I would have drafted without a problem.

:rolleyes:

Woodson's throwing motion was the same in October as it was in April. Nothing changed.

Everyone knew that Brohm was injury prone in October, just like they did in April. Nothing changed.

Sorry, you have to do better than this.

TrickyNicky
10-06-2008, 09:26 PM
If Taylor Mays comes out, is he the top safety?

Nightfyre
10-06-2008, 09:26 PM
Eh safety should have some points as of now none of our safeties look like they are world beaters.

I think that the problem lies within the coaching for our safeties.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:27 PM
:rolleyes:

Woodson's throwing motion was the same in October as it was in April. Nothing changed.

Everyone knew that Brohm was injury prone in October, just like they did in April. Nothing changed.

Sorry, you have to do better than this.

Are you just upset that Croyle blows?

I knew your post would somehow infer that we shouldn't be drafting a QB though since that's your stance.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:27 PM
If Taylor Mays comes out, is he the top safety?

Most likely because of his athletic measurables.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:27 PM
Eh safety should have some points as of now none of our safeties look like they are world beaters.

What?

I thought Morgan was the best prospect known to man?

Safety is pretty fucking low on the priority scale with all the holes we have, IMO.

On this team, EVERY position could be improved.

With the exception of punter...

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:28 PM
What?

I thought Morgan was the best prospect known to man?

Safety is pretty ****ing low on the priority scale with all the holes we have, IMO.

On this team, EVERY position could be improved.

With the exception of punter...

Morgan has played about 5 minutes....that doesn't change that I still don't like Pollard or Page.

ILChief
10-06-2008, 09:30 PM
That would be our luck to lose that many games only to have Stafford go in front of us. If that bastard of a scenario happened, I'd take Oher at 3 and I guess draft Cullen Harper with our second round pick.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:31 PM
That would be our luck to lose that many games only to have Stafford go in front of us. If that bastard of a scenario happened, I'd take Oher at 3 and I guess draft Cullen Harper with our second round pick.

Harpers team is massively underachieving, he may have the Brohm thing happen to him.

DeezNutz
10-06-2008, 09:33 PM
we shouldn't be drafting a QB though since that's your stance.

I must have missed this. Given our current situation, why would any Chiefs fan hold this position?

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:34 PM
I must have missed this. Given our current situation, why would any Chiefs fan hold this position?

Dude it's coming, it'll become more pronounced as the draft approaches there is a faction of posters which OTW is a part of that think drafting a QB with the top pick unless he's Manning or Elway reincarnated in other words a perfect prospect they aren't worth it and will "cripple your franchise"

Chief Chief
10-06-2008, 09:34 PM
If Stafford's already gone, we'll trade down and pick up QB Painter from Lenny's alma mater.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:34 PM
Are you just upset that Croyle blows?

I knew your post would somehow infer that we shouldn't be drafting a QB though since that's your stance.

No, that's not my stance at all, you just choose to blow right over it EVERY fucking time it comes up.

Your attitude towards taking a QB with a Top 5 pick has become cartoonish.

This time last year, you were up in arms that if we had a chance to take Brohm and we didn't, well, you'd turn in your fan card. Last straw, I believe you said.

Well....we did, and we didn't.

And it turns out that Brohm is so fucking phenomenal he can't beat out a 7th round pick for a backup job.

It's the same song and dance this year with Stafford.

"He's got all the physical attributes you look for"

"He can make all the throws"

Blah, blah and blah.

Same shit, different guy.

I'm all for taking a QB, provided he's worth the value of that pick at the time.

Forgive me for not genuflecting at the Altar of Stafford 6 months before the draft, when he hasn't looked that impressive to begin with this year.

This team has WAY too many holes to put in stone, six months before the draft, that we MUST take a QB in R1, or else. That's fucking retarded.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:37 PM
Apparently you think every person that does anything with the draft is an idiot then, projections change all the time.

It's pretty easy to sit back and say that when you give no opinion of it yourself than trying to project something months in advance.

Without a QB we are building to nothing unless you wanna be the Vikings which isn't my desire.

Hell you didn't even like Ryan, we see how that's workin out eh?

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:39 PM
Dude it's coming, it'll become more pronounced as the draft approaches there is a faction of posters which OTW is a part of that think drafting a QB with the top pick unless he's Manning or Elway reincarnated in other words a perfect prospect they aren't worth it and will "cripple your franchise"

Wow, that's about as blatant a lie as you might find here.

There's a HUGE difference in what you just posted, and my ACTUAL position, which is that I don't believe in taking a QB just for the sake of taking one.

I'm not of the opinion you pass up 15 better players to take a QB just because you need one, especially when you're not even sold on the QB you're taking.

Apparently people have already forgotten the Vermeil era, where it was common place to reach badly for players based on need alone.

That worked out well...

ILChief
10-06-2008, 09:39 PM
No, that's not my stance at all, you just choose to blow right over it EVERY ****ing time it comes up.

Your attitude towards taking a QB with a Top 5 pick has become cartoonish.

This time last year, you were up in arms that if we had a chance to take Brohm and we didn't, well, you'd turn in your fan card. Last straw, I believe you said.

Well....we did, and we didn't.

And it turns out that Brohm is so ****ing phenomenal he can't beat out a 7th round pick for a backup job.

It's the same song and dance this year with Stafford.

"He's got all the physical attributes you look for"

"He can make all the throws"

Blah, blah and blah.

Same shit, different guy.

I'm all for taking a QB, provided he's worth the value of that pick at the time.

Forgive me for not genuflecting at the Altar of Stafford 6 months before the draft, when he hasn't looked that impressive to begin with this year.

This team has WAY too many holes to put in stone, six months before the draft, that we MUST take a QB in R1, or else. That's ****ing retarded.

Stafford has looked very impressive.

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead" align="right"> <td align="left">NAME</td> <td>CMP</td> <td>ATT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>CMP%</td> <td>YDS/A</td> <td>TD</td> <td>INT</td> <td>RAT</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Matthew Stafford (http://chiefsplanet.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183518)</td> <td>86</td> <td>144</td> <td>1193</td> <td>59.7</td> <td>8.29</td> <td>7</td> <td>1</td> <td>144.0</td></tr></tbody></table>

I don't know what more you could want from him. 60% completion and a 7-1 TD/INT ratio and a 144 Rating.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:40 PM
Yea Matt Ryan was a reach of epic proportion right, didn't you try to sell that bag of goods?

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:41 PM
Stafford has looked very impressive.

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead" align="right"> <td align="left">NAME</td> <td>CMP</td> <td>ATT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>CMP%</td> <td>YDS/A</td> <td>TD</td> <td>INT</td> <td>RAT</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Matthew Stafford (http://chiefsplanet.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183518)</td> <td>86</td> <td>144</td> <td>1193</td> <td>59.7</td> <td>8.29</td> <td>7</td> <td>1</td> <td>144.0</td></tr></tbody></table>

I don't know what more you could want from him. 60% completion and a 7-1 TD/INT ratio and a 144 Rating.

And he has absolute shit WR's to work with and has to routinely make NFL throws.

KCUnited
10-06-2008, 09:42 PM
Eh, I could see St. Louis going LT just as much as I could see them going QB. Detroit on the other hand....

ILChief
10-06-2008, 09:43 PM
Eh, I could see St. Louis going LT just as much as I could see them going QB. Detroit on the other hand....

I think STL will go LT. They're paying Bulger a ton of $$$$.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:43 PM
Also there are certain positions you don't use top 10 picks on, you don't take say a LB unless he's a pass rusher capable of 15 sacks with a top 5-10 pick or you will be ridiculously overpaying and overvaluing the position.

Alot more goes into a top 5-10 pick than just BPA.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:44 PM
Apparently you think every person that does anything with the draft is an idiot then, projections change all the time.

It's pretty easy to sit back and say that when you give no opinion of it yourself than trying to project something months in advance.

Without a QB we are building to nothing unless you wanna be the Vikings which isn't my desire.

Hell you didn't even like Ryan, we see how that's workin out eh?

Minus a few deep balls that he's thrown to WR's with 10 yards of separation (sounds like your knock on Bradford) he hasn't been anything special, though he hasn't been terrible either.

Again, pining for the player we had NO CHANCE to take, because he was already gone.

And had we had the chance and taken him, I'm sure you'd be giving him every excuse why he'd be sucking ass right now.

Matt Ryan has four things he wouldn't have had in KC:

A decent OL

A great running game

WR's that can actually get open

Good coaching



If KC had drafted him, the countdown to bust status would have started the second after Goodell called his name...

LiL stumppy
10-06-2008, 09:45 PM
San Fran will not draft Beenie Wells

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:46 PM
Minus a few deep balls that he's thrown to WR's with 10 yards of separation (sounds like your knock on Bradford) he hasn't been anything special, though he hasn't been terrible either.

Again, pining for the player we had NO CHANCE to take, because he was already gone.

And had we had the chance and taken him, I'm sure you'd be giving him every excuse why he'd be sucking ass right now.

Matt Ryan has four things he wouldn't have had in KC:

A decent OL

A great running game

WR's that can actually get open

Good coaching



If KC had drafted him, the countdown to bust status would have started the second after Goodell called his name...

Well that it's then, our team is to stupid to develop a QB, we should all go be fans of other teams.

MIAdragon
10-06-2008, 09:51 PM
San Fran will not draft Beenie Wells

Thanks stumppy!

triple
10-06-2008, 09:51 PM
no way do the lions finish 'ahead' of us

MIAdragon
10-06-2008, 09:52 PM
no way do the lions finish 'ahead' of us

Dude its the "lions"

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:52 PM
Stafford has looked very impressive.

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead" align="right"> <td align="left">NAME</td> <td>CMP</td> <td>ATT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>CMP%</td> <td>YDS/A</td> <td>TD</td> <td>INT</td> <td>RAT</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Matthew Stafford (http://chiefsplanet.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=183518)</td> <td>86</td> <td>144</td> <td>1193</td> <td>59.7</td> <td>8.29</td> <td>7</td> <td>1</td> <td>144.0</td></tr></tbody></table>

I don't know what more you could want from him. 60% completion and a 7-1 TD/INT ratio and a 144 Rating.


He could do more in big games, against good teams to start.

Sure, he's got great stats against Georgia Southern and Central Michigan, then is back under 60% against decent defenses.

SC made him look pretty average, and he picked up a ton of numbers in the 2nd half of that ass-whooping Alabama laid on them...31-0 at half.

I'm NOT saying he sucks, but I'd sure like to see him play another 3 months before I declare him a cant-miss NFL QB, just because we happen to need one...

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:53 PM
Well that it's then, our team is to stupid to develop a QB, we should all go be fans of other teams.

See ya.

Don't let the door his you on the ass...

Great rebuttal, by the way.

I tell you your mancrush has been average, and the best you can do is this?

Disappointing.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:56 PM
I'm sorry Stafford made more NFL throws in that Alabama game than I've seen from Sam Bradford in 2 years.

Some people don't even know what they are suppose to be looking for.

And hey call him my mancrush all you want, atleast he isn't a brittle failure like yours is.

Nightfyre
10-06-2008, 09:57 PM
I'm sorry Stafford made more NFL throws in that Alabama game than I've seen from Sam Bradford in 2 years.

Some people don't even know what they are suppose to be looking for.

Like the floating duck into triple coverage for a pick?

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 09:58 PM
Like the floating duck into triple coverage for a pick?

Whoops.

Here comes the excuse. Will it be:

a) It was towards the end of the half, it didn't matter

b) Well, sometimes you have to take a chance when you have shitty WR's

c) All of the above

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Like the floating duck into triple coverage for a pick?

Do you know what a NFL throw is....throwing to guys with 10 yards of separation isn't one.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Whoops.

I personally enjoy your posts because I knew before I ever read it was going to be out how the top QB prospect this year sucks and you don't want him.

Shag
10-06-2008, 09:59 PM
Like the floating duck into triple coverage for a pick?

To be fair, Huard IS in the NFL...

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:00 PM
Also Sam Bradford has thrown more picks than Stafford has this year and we all know that OU has sure been playing some dominant teams right?

MIAdragon
10-06-2008, 10:00 PM
To be fair, Huard IS in the NFL...

ROFL

Nightfyre
10-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Do you know what a NFL throw is....throwing to guys with 10 yards of separation isn't one.

No, I've never seen an NFL throw in my life. :rolleyes:

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:02 PM
No, I've never seen an NFL throw in my life. :rolleyes:

Then why are you arguing with me about which QB makes them and which one doesn't?

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 10:04 PM
I personally enjoy your posts because I knew before I ever read it was going to be out how the top QB prospect this year sucks and you don't want him.

He's the top QB prospect in FUCKING OCTOBER.

If he's still the top prospect in late April, and there aren't 15 guys at other positions that hold better value than him, I'll be all for it.

Seriously, I thought you guys might have learned a lesson after last year. Getting attached to a QB 6 months before the draft is fucking retarded.

God forbid someone might grade out higher than the Almighty Matthew Stafford.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:07 PM
He's the top QB prospect in ****ING OCTOBER.

If he's still the top prospect in late April, and there aren't 15 guys at other positions that hold better value than him, I'll be all for it.

Seriously, I thought you guys might have learned a lesson after last year. Getting attached to a QB 6 months before the draft is ****ing retarded.

God forbid someone might grade out higher than the Almighty Matthew Stafford.

Lets go for the myopic pick of Michael Oher.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 10:12 PM
Lets go for the myopic pick of Michael Oher.

Another excellent rebuttal.

I don't think you actually disputed a single thing I've said. You just deflect to something else entirely.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:13 PM
Another excellent rebuttal.

I don't think you actually disputed a single thing I've said. You just deflect to something else entirely.

What do you want me to rebut that you came into the thread to basically call everyone talking about Matt Stafford stupid? Or that you really aren't a fan of taking QB's because you think it will cripple are well already crippled franchise?

You've made enough posts about this for anyone that has read them to know what you think about drafting QB's high.

I'm sorry our team is awful, people want to talk about something and drafting a QB is high on that list.

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 10:19 PM
What do you want me to rebut that you came into the thread to basically call everyone talking about Matt Stafford stupid? Or that you really aren't a fan of taking QB's because you think it will cripple are well already crippled franchise?

You've made enough posts about this for anyone that has read them to know what you think about drafting QB's high.

I'm sorry our team is awful, people want to talk about something and drafting a QB is high on that list.

Once again, you COMPLETELY miss everything I've said.

I didn't call anyone stupid for talking about Stafford.

I DID say that it's fucking retarded to hitch your wagon to a QB in OCTOBER, just because we NEED one.

Christ, we need a MLB too. And a RG. And a RT. And a shit-ton of DE's. I could continue.

If people want to get this worked up over a kid in October, by all means, go nuts. But you'd think people would have learned a lesson from doing the EXACT SAME THING over Brohm and Woodson this time last year. There's too much that can happen between now and April to sit here and say that we MUST take Player "X".

I'm going to laugh my balls off when Stafford isn't even the first QB taken in April...


Like I said: If late April rolls around and Stafford grades out worth a Top 5 pick, is available, and there isn't an obvious better player available when we pick, I'm all for it.

RustShack
10-06-2008, 10:20 PM
It doesn't really matter if hes the first one taken, what matters is how he produces in the NFL.

MIAdragon
10-06-2008, 10:21 PM
Once again, you COMPLETELY miss everything I've said.

I didn't call anyone stupid for talking about Stafford.

I DID say that it's ****ing retarded to hitch your wagon to a QB in OCTOBER, just because we NEED one.

Christ, we need a MLB too. And a RG. And a RT. And a shit-ton of DE's. I could continue.

If people want to get this worked up over a kid in October, by all means, go nuts. But you'd think people would have learned a lesson from doing the EXACT SAME THING over Brohm and Woodson this time last year. There's too much that can happen between now and April to sit here and say that we MUST take Player "X".

I'm going to laugh my balls off when Stafford isn't even the first QB taken in April...

Dude its October, we suck ass, this gives us something to look forward too.

Mecca
10-06-2008, 10:21 PM
Give me a QB that's gonna go ahead of him...the only 3 QB's worthy of high picks are underclassmen...

And newflash you don't take MLB's OG's or RT's with top 10 picks....

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 10:25 PM
It doesn't really matter if hes the first one taken, what matters is how he produces in the NFL.

Tell that to the people that say you HAVE to have a R1 QB in this league to be successful.

I wonder...

If Stafford was to "pull a Brohm" and fall out of the 1st round:

1) Would people here still want him in a later round?

2) If yes, why? It's already been "proven" that you have to have a R1 QB to win...

OnTheWarpath58
10-06-2008, 10:27 PM
Give me a QB that's gonna go ahead of him...the only 3 QB's worthy of high picks are underclassmen...

And newflash you don't take MLB's OG's or RT's with top 10 picks....

I'm not claiming to know, considering there's still THREE MONTHS of the season to be played, and another THREE MONTHS of workouts/combine/etc before the draft.

chagrin
10-06-2008, 10:27 PM
Just a side note - why the fuck is Houston not drafting an Offensive lineman with every pcik until Round 6, from this year forward through 2012? God that's the dumbest fuggin franchise for not understanding the importance of the interior line, geesh.

SBK
10-06-2008, 10:33 PM
There are 2 ways I see Stafford dropping past the #1 overall pick.

1. He's hurt.
2. The franchise drafting already has a franchise QB. (at which point they wouldn't be drafting #1 now would they?)

In fact, I think that the #1 pick is going to have a high amount of trade interest this year simply because of Stafford.

Nightfyre
10-06-2008, 10:40 PM
Then why are you arguing with me about which QB makes them and which one doesn't?

Mecca's sarcasm meter is broken, I see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r96vm751oKs&feature=related
Check at the :15 mark of this video.

At the :37, :55, 1:30 marks of the bama game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_8lk0GpUo

Maybe the 1:00, 1:25, 2:30, 3:12, 3:54, 4:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXbbg6PJmcM

Ebolapox
10-06-2008, 10:44 PM
mock me gently.... mock me slowly.
take it easy, don't you know......

KCrockaholic
10-06-2008, 10:45 PM
No thanks. Oher or Crabtree would be fine. Even Johnson.

Of course, we should think about trading up to get Daniel b/c he'll likely be first off the board. Then, trade back into the first to snag Maclin. Coffman in the second.

Dynasty...(without the tradition of Nebraska, of course)

I honestly think this is a terrific idea...although ill be surprised if Coffman falls into the 2nd. And Daniel should be a RND 2 pick...hey it works in Madden :)

RustShack
10-06-2008, 10:52 PM
Round 2 is about 4 rounds higher than Daniel gets drafted.

DeezNutz
10-06-2008, 10:56 PM
Round 2 is about 4 rounds higher than Daniel gets drafted.

He's a duel threat. Probably the first QB off the board, with Tebow right behind.

Mr. Laz
10-07-2008, 12:15 AM
we have alot of stinky teams we need to pass to get the top pick


i have confidence we can do it though

Mecca
10-07-2008, 12:15 AM
We really need those 0 and 1 win teams to win a few.

Tribal Warfare
10-07-2008, 12:24 AM
I'd take Johnson in that spot, no doubt.

say no to the one year wonder with raw potential. If any DE is the 1st one off the board it should be Selvie.

ClevelandBronco
10-07-2008, 12:28 AM
I wish we had another first rounder this year. We have a lot of holes.

Don't limit yourself. Wish for three first round picks.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-07-2008, 03:02 AM
There is a flip side to this coin...

Prospects are put on the map, are widely considered top flight, and then people spend 6 months tearing them down to prove that they know something.

Look at Philip Merling, Brandon Flowers, Sam Baker, or Desean Jackson from last year for examples of this.

King_Chief_Fan
10-07-2008, 10:41 AM
Aren't we wasting a lot of time talking about a QB in the draft? Especially the Bradfords, Staffords, Tebows etc?

The Chiefs game will never feature a down field QB with the current coaching and GM staff.

Picking one of them is an aboslute waste of a good QB that will not have success due to the run run dink pass punt strategy.

Trade down and focus on line men.

SBK
10-07-2008, 10:44 AM
Aren't we wasting a lot of time talking about a QB in the draft? Especially the Bradfords, Staffords, Tebows etc?

The Chiefs game will never feature a down field QB with the current coaching and GM staff.

Picking one of them is an aboslute waste of a good QB that will not have success due to the run run dink pass punt strategy.

Trade down and focus on line men.

We're getting a whole new regime. New front office and new coaching staff.

King_Chief_Fan
10-07-2008, 10:48 AM
We're getting a whole new regime. New front office and new coaching staff.

That is the best news Chiefs fan can have at this time.:clap:

Mr. Laz
10-07-2008, 12:02 PM
We're getting a whole new regime. New front office and new coaching staff.
link?

Demonpenz
10-07-2008, 12:09 PM
that would be a great pick for the colts. I would worry bout how to get the ball to maclin on most teams, but not the colts, indoors with manning.

SBK
10-07-2008, 12:20 PM
link?

top pick in draft + empty Arrowhead = new regime.

It ain't happening during the year, once the season is over we're going to see huge changes.

I have a lot of respect for Herm in one aspect, he went out and convinced the owner to do the very thing that would cost him his job, because it was the proper way to do things. He gets a pat on the back for that, right before he gets a kick in the butt for his piss poor coaching. :D

The front office has to sell hope in the off season, and keeping everything status quo will result in a HUGE drop in season ticket holders in time for a new Arrowhead. Clark can't have that, so he's going to have to make the move. I'm sure he'd like to keep Carl around to open the stadium, but he'll probably do something else, like put him in the Chiefs hall of fame for the opener or something.

If he's been fired I actually bet he'd get a huge round of applause when they announce him as 'former' GM and President of the Chiefs.