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HMc
10-12-2008, 12:54 AM
http://www.economist.com/vote2008/

Quite Revealing.

Either the entire planet is skewed towards "omg the terrorist socialists!" or it's actually true to the at least somewhat objective that Obama is the better candidate.

DaFace
10-12-2008, 12:57 AM
Interesting I suppose, but not especially surprising. It's just an online poll, which aren't at all scientific.

HMc
10-12-2008, 12:58 AM
dude, it's 8000 to 16!

DaFace
10-12-2008, 01:02 AM
dude, it's 8000 to 16!

That's in "electoral votes" rather than true votes. In other words, it could be 51 percent to 49 percent in every country and still be 8016 to 0.

I don't deny that it's interesting that Obama has the majority of the votes in every country. I'm just saying that it's not surprising, especially considering that web polls almost always trend more liberal.

Mecca
10-12-2008, 01:02 AM
What's funny about this at that there are people that think it's bad for other countries to like our president.

Mecca
10-12-2008, 01:02 AM
That's in "electoral votes" rather than true votes. In other words, it could be 51 percent to 49 percent in every country and still be 8016 to 0.

I don't deny that it's interesting that Obama has the majority of the votes in every country. I'm just saying that it's not surprising, especially considering that web polls almost always trend more liberal.

The liberals in our country would be the right wing in Europe and the way people act here you'd think Obama was coming to ruin the country.....do they think Europe is the devil or somethin?

DaFace
10-12-2008, 01:04 AM
I guess a key to this would be that the U.S. vote is currently at 81 percent for Obama, indicating that there's about a 30% inherent "spread" between the web site's users and the general population (based on other polls out recently). It's amazing McCain is winning any countries at all given that bias.

HMc
10-12-2008, 01:08 AM
That's in "electoral votes" rather than true votes. In other words, it could be 51 percent to 49 percent in every country and still be 8016 to 0.

I don't deny that it's interesting that Obama has the majority of the votes in every country. I'm just saying that it's not surprising, especially considering that web polls almost always trend more liberal.

You can hover your mouse over any country to get the vote breakdown.

DaFace
10-12-2008, 01:09 AM
Here's a scientific poll if anyone's really that interested:

http://www.readersdigest.com/worldpoll

Ultra Peanut
10-12-2008, 01:10 AM
That's the funny thing. Based solely on positions, Obama would be a right-center candidate pretty much everywhere else.

I'm just saying that it's not surprising, especially considering that web polls almost always trend more liberal.Tell that to the Drudge polls.

It's not so much that they trend liberal as it is that they trend in the direction of (a) whichever group identifies with the source of the poll and (b) whichever group is more interested in what the poll is inquiring about.

Mecca
10-12-2008, 01:12 AM
Yet here he's the ultra lib comin to ruin the country....Europe must be like hell for these people.

Ultra Peanut
10-12-2008, 01:13 AM
Yet here he's the ultra lib comin to ruin the country....Europe must be like hell for these people.To hear them tell it, Europe is in flames right now and all of its people are miserable and oppressed.

As opposed to, you know, having higher life expectancies and better economies.

HolmeZz
10-12-2008, 01:14 AM
How the fuck is Moldova a toss-up?

DaFace
10-12-2008, 01:15 AM
That's the funny thing. Based solely on positions, Obama would be a right-center candidate pretty much everywhere else.

Tell that to the Drudge polls.

It's not so much that they trend liberal as it is that they trend in the direction of (a) whichever group identifies with the source of the poll and (b) whichever group is more interested in what the poll is inquiring about.

No argument there. I'd still argue that the majority of "internet savvy" types tend to trend more liberal, but it definitely depends on the individual web site. Or, as we've seen many times on ChiefsPlanet, what group gets a hold of it and tries to intentionally rig the results.

Ultra Peanut
10-12-2008, 01:15 AM
No argument there. I'd still argue that the majority of "internet savvy" types tend to trend more liberal, but it definitely depends on the individual web site. Or, as we've seen many times on ChiefsPlanet, what group gets a hold of it and tries to intentionally rig the results.GOOGLE RON PAUL

HMc
10-12-2008, 01:16 AM
I don't know enough about polling science to understand why the RD poll is more scientific that the Economist one, but if they used RD readers for the sample (I exect that they did) then you'd harldly expect it to evenly represent demographics in reality.

Nor would the Economist one, I don't suppose.

DaFace
10-12-2008, 01:23 AM
I don't know enough about polling science to understand why the RD poll is more scientific that the Economist one, but if they used RD readers for the sample (I exect that they did) then you'd harldly expect it to evenly represent demographics in reality.

Nor would the Economist one, I don't suppose.

Here's their full methodology:

Methodology: Synovate's Global Omnibus was used to conduct interviews in 15 countries from June 2 to July 7, 2008:

* Telephone interviews were conducted via Computer Assisted Telephone Interviewing (CATI) networks in UK, France, Germany, Russia, Poland, Spain, Mexico, Brazil, Taiwan and Australia.
* Face to face interviews are conducted door to door in South Africa, India and Indonesia.
* Online interviews among nationally representative samples drawn from Synovate’s Consumer Opinion Panels were conducted in the US and Canada.
* Data from the Netherlands and Finland were collected by an outside supplier. The data collection methods used in these countries were online and telephone, respectively.

They wouldn't have used a readers' list unless they specifically stated it. Typically for polls like this, you'd use a system that just randomly calls telephone numbers to find respondents, so it's close to a representative sample of the entire population. I'm not sure how they sampled in South Africa, India, and Indonesia, but I'd expect they at least tried to draw a representative sample.

The difference is just that Economist just let people vote who are registered on their web site.

HMc
10-12-2008, 01:31 AM
So the bulk of it was conducted in June. I expect that if it were much more recent (it's difficult to know when the Economist started theirs) the numbers would be further in the direction of those in the Economist version.

That's what has occurred in your traditional polls, anyway.

From the perspective of a foreigner, McCain was more or less an unmentioned unknown entity in the media here until very recently. The last two months have naturally seen awareness increase as the race heats up, but I dare say approval of him would be dropping.

Personnally I had more faith in McCain before I actually saw him speak/debate.

BucEyedPea
10-12-2008, 11:33 AM
LMAO at the two teeny spots leaning toward McCain...one just happens to be Georgia. His FP advisor was a lobbyist for them.

This doesn't surprise me and I happen to think it's accurate. Afterall, Ron Paul was also popular around the world. Could this have to do with the invasion of Iraq? I think so. People are sick of the hawks.

wazu
10-12-2008, 11:39 AM
McCain is HUGE in Macedonia.

BucEyedPea
10-12-2008, 11:51 AM
McCain is HUGE in Macedonia.

ROFL :D

Is that what that other spot is? It was hard for me to tell!

RINGLEADER
10-12-2008, 12:06 PM
http://www.economist.com/vote2008/

Quite Revealing.

Either the entire planet is skewed towards "omg the terrorist socialists!" or it's actually true to the at least somewhat objective that Obama is the better candidate.

The fact that a) The Economist and b) most of the terrorist-exporting nations want Obama is reason enough to want McCain. ;)

Adept Havelock
10-12-2008, 12:11 PM
McCain is HUGE in Macedonia.

They love Empire Builders in Macedonia.

It's an Alexander thing. We wouldn't understand. :p