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memyselfI
10-12-2008, 10:02 AM
when he started to reassure his supporters that NObama would be ok. He should have seized the opening to say 'you should not fear Obama for what or who he is but what he STANDS FOR. With all the turmoil in the world and our ecomomy, you should fear a Democratic controlled congress with an inexperienced Democratic president at the helm.'

McCain has missed opportunity after opportunity to take a stand and hasn't. Most notably with the bailout. Why would he do this? He's been around for a while and is a smart politician. Does he want to win????

Mecca
10-12-2008, 10:04 AM
Oh so you encourage him inciting the angry mobs?

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 10:04 AM
Why didn't he take a stand with the bailout?

Simple. Whatever one voted for, the other voted for. It would neutralize the issue. And since McCain had already bungled the whole "I took credit for the bailout that didn't pass first time around" he had to vote for it. That and his "maverick" line of rhetoric.

BigChiefFan
10-12-2008, 10:05 AM
Hey more Obama smears from you-wow, more hatred and propoganda. If you aren't voting for McCain or Obama, WTF do you care? Oh, that's right because you are filled with venomous hate. Nothing like a woman scorned.

memyselfI
10-12-2008, 10:06 AM
Oh so you encourage him inciting the angry mobs?

The mobs are going to be angry and McCain can't change that. McCain would have been wise to channel that anger in a productive direction instead of scolding them for what they feel.

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 10:08 AM
The mobs are going to be angry and McCain can't change that. McCain would have been wise to channel that anger in a productive direction instead of scolding them for what they feel.

So, essentially, he missed an opportunity to preach to the choir?

memyselfI
10-12-2008, 10:13 AM
So, essentially, he missed an opportunity to preach to the choir?

He missed the opportunity to channel raw emotion based on (as of now) innuendo and unproven allegations to REAL issues. He could have confirmed their fear and anger is real but the basis of it is not. He should have said we have no reason to fear NObama based on rumors or innuendo but there are ample reasons to fear him because of the policies he will implement.

Again, simply channeling and refocusing that emotion to a productive source. Politics 101. Me thinks he's decided he really doesn't want this job.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-12-2008, 10:15 AM
It sucks to see it all slipping away, doesn't it, fucktard?

BigChiefFan
10-12-2008, 10:18 AM
You mean McCain doesn't know what he's doing? Yea, many already KNOW that, thanks for sharing.

memyselfI
10-12-2008, 10:21 AM
It sucks to see it all slipping away, doesn't it, ****tard?

I am not voting for him so I could care less if he wins or not. My POV is based on not liking EITHER of these two clowns.

ROYC75
10-12-2008, 10:22 AM
when he started to reassure his supporters that NObama would be ok. He should have seized the opening to say 'you should not fear Obama for what or who he is but what he STANDS FOR. With all the turmoil in the world and our ecomomy, you should fear a Democratic controlled congress with an inexperienced Democratic president at the helm.'

McCain has missed opportunity after opportunity to take a stand and hasn't. Most notably with the bailout. Why would he do this? He's been around for a while and is a smart politician. Does he want to win????


Damn, I agree, I saw that and said WTF ? John, you blew a chance , again.

This election is Obama's ....... that's scary .

memyselfI
10-12-2008, 10:22 AM
You mean McCain doesn't know what he's doing? Yea, many already KNOW that, thanks for sharing.

No, I wonder if the party has decided losing this particular election may not be a bad thing long term. From all indications, the economy will be miserable to tepid at best the next four years. Let NObama get in and be able to do NOTHING. Paint him as Carter and come back strong in 2012.

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 10:29 AM
Damn, I agree, I saw that and said WTF ? John, you blew a chance , again.

This election is Obama's ....... that's scary .

Roy, the minute anyone agrees with your political takes, the world will have ended.

ROYC75
10-12-2008, 10:30 AM
Roy, the minute anyone agrees with your political takes, the world will have ended.

Then the world is coming to an end, many feel Obama will win, I do too. God help us all .

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 10:31 AM
Then the world is coming to an end, many feel Obama will win, I do too. God help us all .

Yes. Red scare, USSA, McCarthy was right!, Obama=Osama, etc.

Your fear highlights why the Republican party's tactics worked to perfection for the last 8 years.

ROYC75
10-12-2008, 10:36 AM
Yes. Red scare, USSA, McCarthy was right!, Obama=Osama, etc.

Your fear highlights why the Republican party's tactics worked to perfection for the last 8 years.



Hmmm, I don't recall saying anything along the lines you typed about other than USSA. If American continues to buyout banks, companies, and take up Obama's liberal socialist visions and ideals, we will become a socialist country and could become the USSA.

It just depends on what we do and how far a democratic controlled house and senate will allow him to go.

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 10:38 AM
Hmmm, I don't recall saying anything along the lines you typed about other than USSA. If American continues to buyout banks, companies, and take up Obama's liberal socialist visions and ideals, we will become a socialist country and could become the USSA.

It just depends on what we do and how far a democratic controlled house and senate will allow him to go.

It's sad that people like you actually believe this.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:38 AM
I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who thinks it's ok to deny a baby medical care after being born despite attempts to abort him/her.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who's father is Kenyan; his step-father is Indonesian, and can't supply a legal birth certificate.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who has been a career Ivy league student, socialist agitator, and launched his political career in the living room of William Ayers and Bernadine dohrn.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who attended a black militant, racist, marxist church and had his children baptised by a scumbag like Rev Wright.

I just can't figure out why this guy scares people.

McCain? He's an asshole. I can't forgive him for not removing himself from the primaries, because he is completely out of touch with what is going on. This election will be decided by 5% to 10% of the voting public, and McCain couldn't even inspire a fraction of them to vote for him.

Well, only one thing left to do and thats prepare for at best four years of communist rule, at worst the complete destruction of the United States of America.

Rome's burning!

ROYC75
10-12-2008, 10:40 AM
It's sad that people like you actually believe this.


It is sad, but what is worst is people like you think it's not possible.

Mecca
10-12-2008, 10:41 AM
I love the Ivy league jab.....OMGZ smart people they are scaries!

memyselfI
10-12-2008, 10:42 AM
It's sad that people like you actually believe this.

You know, I am a liberal and the current track of the country scares me. I believe more regulation is needed but the bailout, like the Patriot Act, was done in a moment of crisis with little contemplation for later fallout and with Americans willingly handing over more and unchecked power to the government.

This should scare every American and not just partisan ones.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:43 AM
It's sad that people like you actually believe this.

You keep dismissing legitimate concerns that people have who don't think like you.

You just better hope your champion Obama doesn't f*ck shit up to the point that these people don't rise up and revolt.

I don't think you realize the potential serious consequences of what you and the other people that are going to vote for B.O. are about to unleash.

You just better hope that idiot doesn't f*ck shit up, because I'm telling you, you don't want to see Americans when they feel they have nothing left to lose.

It will be a bloodbath.

Basileus777
10-12-2008, 10:44 AM
The mobs are going to be angry and McCain can't change that. McCain would have been wise to channel that anger in a productive direction instead of scolding them for what they feel.

Angry mobs can't be channeled in a positive direction, McCain certainly can't channel them to the White House. If McCain did what you wanted him to he would only further alienate everyone but the people who were going to vote for him anyway. McCain isn't going to get back in the race by supporting a bunch of crazies.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:45 AM
I love the Ivy league jab.....OMGZ smart people they are scaries!

It's kind of sad that they all think Fidel Castro is a cool dude. Yeah, so that makes them scary to me.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:46 AM
You know, I am a liberal and the current track of the country scares me. I believe more regulation is needed but the bailout, like the Patriot Act, was done in a moment of crisis with little contemplation for later fallout and with Americans willingly handing over more and unchecked power to the government.

This should scare every American and not just partisan ones.

These are very naive kids you are trying to talk sense to. You see that their only response is to call you names. Critical thinking is beyond their cognitive capacities.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:47 AM
Angry mobs can't be channeled in a positive direction, McCain certainly can't channel them to the White House. If McCain did what you wanted him to he would only further alienate everyone but the people who were going to vote for him anyway.

And how alienated will they feel when B.O. takes control and starts to implement his Marxist agenda?

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 10:49 AM
The mobs are going to be angry and McCain can't change that. McCain would have been wise to channel that anger in a productive direction instead of scolding them for what they feel.

Yeah, they're going to be angry because we have a nation of Republican automatons that repeat every single line of bullshit spewed by hate-mongers such as Ann Coutler, Rush Limbaugh and Dennis Prager.

This country would have a very different attitude if it weren't for their hate and their rabid, empty headed followers.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:50 AM
Yeah, they're going to be angry because we have a nation of Republican automatons that repeat every single line of bullshit spewed by hate-mongers such as Ann Coutler, Rush Limbaugh and Dennis Prager.

This country would have a very different attitude if it weren't for their hate and their rabid, empty headed followers.

:drool:

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 10:51 AM
You keep dismissing legitimate concerns that people have who don't think like you.

You just better hope your champion Obama doesn't f*ck shit up to the point that these people don't rise up and revolt.

I don't think you realize the potential serious consequences of what you and the other people that are going to vote for B.O. are about to unleash.

You just better hope that idiot doesn't f*ck shit up, because I'm telling you, you don't want to see Americans when they feel they have nothing left to lose.

It will be a bloodbath.

So, you're declaring that there will be a Civil War?

JFC, you Republicans are a bunch of fucking pussies.

"Eww, we WE don't win, we'll just KILL all of YOU!".

Yeah, that's a GREAT solution.

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 10:53 AM
You know, I am a liberal and the current track of the country scares me. I believe more regulation is needed but the bailout, like the Patriot Act, was done in a moment of crisis with little contemplation for later fallout and with Americans willingly handing over more and unchecked power to the government.

This should scare every American and not just partisan ones.

We're in fully agreement on that part. That has nothing to do with your hatred of Obama.

You keep dismissing legitimate concerns that people have who don't think like you.

You just better hope your champion Obama doesn't f*ck shit up to the point that these people don't rise up and revolt.

I don't think you realize the potential serious consequences of what you and the other people that are going to vote for B.O. are about to unleash.

You just better hope that idiot doesn't f*ck shit up, because I'm telling you, you don't want to see Americans when they feel they have nothing left to lose.

It will be a bloodbath.

I dismiss concerns of people who are using nothing but fear. Fear that any socialist leanings are inherently bad, evil or a slippery slope to gulags. Roy fits that bill.

Obama is hardly my boy. I am, as I've said many times, anti-Palin. However, the claims that he is, essentially, Mao or Stalin, is just laughable.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:54 AM
America is about to elect the most left-wing government in history: an Obama Oval Office, a Pelosi House of Representatives, a filibuster-proof Senate and a year or two down the road maybe three new Supreme Court justices. How soon before the B.O.Administration starts building “the world as it should be”?

How many hours after he is in office will he push for reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment? How soon before he pushes to outlaw free speech on our airwaves? In our newspapers?

On the internet?

This is a guy who does not take criticism lightly. He will do everything within his power to wipe out any and all dissidence.

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 10:54 AM
You just better hope that idiot doesn't f*ck shit up, because I'm telling you, you don't want to see Americans when they feel they have nothing left to lose.

Yeah, because losing personal freedoms under the Patriot Act and losing 40% of retirement and college funds under BushCo HAS to be better than the alternative, right?

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 10:55 AM
America is about to elect the most left-wing government in history: an Obama Oval Office, a Pelosi House of Representatives, a filibuster-proof Senate and a year or two down the road maybe three new Supreme Court justices. How soon before the B.O.Administration starts building “the world as it should be”?

How many hours after he is in office will he push for reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment? How soon before he pushes to outlaw free speech on our airwaves? In our newspapers?

On the internet?

This is a guy who does not take criticism lightly. He will do everything within his power to wipe out any and all dissidence.

If that's the will of the American people, so be it.

I seriously don't think it can be any worse than 8 years of fucking bullshit under BushCo.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:55 AM
So, you're declaring that there will be a Civil War?

JFC, you Republicans are a bunch of ****ing pussies.

"Eww, we WE don't win, we'll just KILL all of YOU!".

Yeah, that's a GREAT solution.


Oh quit your crying you big baby. Your champion B.O. is going to win the election. That's what you want, right? Dane?

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 10:55 AM
America is about to elect the most left-wing government in history: an Obama Oval Office, a Pelosi House of Representatives, a filibuster-proof Senate and a year or two down the road maybe three new Supreme Court justices. How soon before the B.O.Administration starts building “the world as it should be”?

How many hours after he is in office will he push for reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment? How soon before he pushes to outlaw free speech on our airwaves? In our newspapers?

On the internet?

This is a guy who does not take criticism lightly. He will do everything within his power to wipe out any and all dissidence.

Hence, why I dismiss your fears.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:56 AM
Yeah, because losing personal freedoms under the Patriot Act and losing 40% of retirement and college funds under BushCo HAS to be better than the alternative, right?

What a crock of shit. What personal freedoms did you lose? You are such a drama queen.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:57 AM
Hence, why I dismiss your fears.

You want to live in a country where the 2nd amendment is voided?

Saggysack
10-12-2008, 10:57 AM
Win or lose. I'mn just glad shitstain meme is out of the party. That itself is a victory.

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 10:57 AM
You want to live in a country where the 2nd amendment is voided?

Hence, why I dismiss your views.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:58 AM
If that's the will of the American people, so be it.



Unfortunately, it's not the will of the American people. Right now most Americans have nobody to vote for.

McCain and B.O. is a choice between cancer or polio.

bango
10-12-2008, 10:58 AM
Maybe even McCain knows that he has a small chance of winning this election and that is one of the reasons that he said that. He could be trying to let his people down easy. He could know that nothing is for certain and there is a chance that we will not know who wins until the votes are counted next month. He could be trying to gain favor by showing that he is a good sport. He could be trying to apply for a job in Obama's Administration. He is a politician it is not easy to tell what the heck these idiots are talking about or what they mean half of the time. This may just be the first almost truth that he has told in his entire life.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 10:59 AM
Hence, why I dismiss your views.


Well, you just better hope B.O. doesn't try to reinterpret the 2nd amendment because there will be a bloodbath.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 11:00 AM
Maybe even McCain knows that he has a small chance of winning this election and that is one of the reasons that he said that. He could be trying to let his people down easy. He could know that nothing is for certain and there is a chance that we will not know who wins until the votes are counted next month. He could be trying to gain favor by showing that he is a good sport. He could be trying to apply for a job in Obama's Administration. He is a politician it is not easy to tell what the heck these idiots are talking about or what they mean half of the time. This may just be the first almost truth that he has told in his entire life.


If that's the case then the slappy motherf&cker had no business being in the primaries. He totally f'd up any shot the R's had of nominating a legitimate candidate who could have beaten the communist.

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 11:01 AM
Well, you just better hope B.O. doesn't try to reinterpret the 2nd amendment because there will be a bloodbath.

You do realize that that amendment won't be touched. And to touch it he'd have to get it repealed or another amendment added.

He won't accomplish that. Period.

bango
10-12-2008, 11:02 AM
You want to live in a country where the 2nd amendment is voided?

I thought that you guys were supposed to try and scare the indies into voting for your guy by using fear tactics not trying to get people from the otherside to deffect. Pun intended and not to offend those that Shitsprayer is talking to, but Shitsprayer and his fellow NC's.

bango
10-12-2008, 11:05 AM
If that's the case then the slappy motherf&cker had no business being in the primaries. He totally f'd up any shot the R's had of nominating a legitimate candidate who could have beaten the communist.

Communist? It does not matter how many times you say it. It will not come true. Try to be serious and not go off of the depp end if you would actually like to be taken seriously and have people here to dicuss the issues with.

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 11:08 AM
Unfortunately, it's not the will of the American people. Right now most Americans have nobody to vote for.

McCain and B.O. is a choice between cancer or polio.

Most Americans?

Are you predicting a record low turnout then?

Adept Havelock
10-12-2008, 11:16 AM
Heh. I dub thee "Beskeeredsprayer".

Don't forget to put a clothespin on the end of your schlort so you don't piss your pants.

memyselfI
10-12-2008, 11:21 AM
Angry mobs can't be channeled in a positive direction, McCain certainly can't channel them to the White House. If McCain did what you wanted him to he would only further alienate everyone but the people who were going to vote for him anyway. McCain isn't going to get back in the race by supporting a bunch of crazies.

I disagree. What McCain did will not pacify or diminish their anger. MOF, what McCain did will cause them to be even more angry but likely AT McCAIN for now. Then when NObama is elected they will not jump on board to support him the EXACT WAY MANY DEMOCRATS, myself included, DID NOT SUPPORT DUHBYA, EVER.

They will work to undermine and destroy him. It should be relatively easy to do because he's going to be VERY dependent on a Congress (Democratic majority) with record low approval ratings and no money to throw at every problem.

McCain would have been better off validating their anger and showing them how to make productive use of it. That being, making sure they vote. Instead, he alienated them and likely angered them further. Which, I almost suspect is by design if he's decided he doesn't want to win afterall.

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 11:28 AM
Oh quit your crying you big baby. Your champion B.O. is going to win the election. That's what you want, right? Dane?

Crying? What am I crying about?

YOU are the one that stated:

You just better hope that idiot doesn't f*ck shit up, because I'm telling you, you don't want to see Americans when they feel they have nothing left to lose.

It will be a bloodbath.

That sounds like to ME that you're the crybaby.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 11:32 AM
Communist? It does not matter how many times you say it. It will not come true.

Like I said, you better hope you are right.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 11:34 AM
America is about to elect the most left-wing government in history: an Obama Oval Office, a Pelosi House of Representatives, a filibuster-proof Senate and a year or two down the road maybe three new Supreme Court justices. How soon before the B.O.Administration starts building “the world as it should be”?

Adept Havelock
10-12-2008, 11:36 AM
America is about to elect the most left-wing government in history: an Obama Oval Office, a Pelosi House of Representatives, a filibuster-proof Senate and a year or two down the road maybe three new Supreme Court justices. How soon before the B.O.Administration starts building “the world as it should be”?

Not just reposting, but reposting yourself? In the same thread just a few posts down? ROFL

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5107553&postcount=31

You should use two clothespins unless you want your khakis to have a yellow front. :D

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 11:37 AM
Not only reposting, but reposting yourself? In the same thread just a few posts down? ROFL

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5107553&postcount=31

You better use two clothespins unless you want your Khakis to have a yellow front. :D


And I'm going to keep reposting it, over and over, as B.O. leads the country into chaos and disaster.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 11:37 AM
America is about to elect the most left-wing government in history: an Obama Oval Office, a Pelosi House of Representatives, a filibuster-proof Senate and a year or two down the road maybe three new Supreme Court justices. How soon before the B.O.Administration starts building “the world as it should be”?

Adept Havelock
10-12-2008, 11:38 AM
And I'm going to keep reposting it, over and over, as B.O. leads the country into chaos and disaster.

Forget the clothespins. You had better get a catheter and bag if you want to spare yourself the laundry. LMAO

bango
10-12-2008, 11:39 AM
Like I said, you better hope you are right.

You have done it. You have scared me into voting for the Republicans. You can now declare "Mission Accomlpished". You are not going to wear a flightsuit are you?

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 11:39 AM
Forget the clothespins. You had better get a catheter and bag if you want to spare yourself the laundry. LMAO

It will be like Zimbabwe, only worse.

:)

Adept Havelock
10-12-2008, 11:40 AM
It will be like Zimbabwe, only worse.

:)

ROFL

Keep it up. You're almost as entertaining as KCJohnny when you're in "fearsprayer" mode. :thumb:

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 11:42 AM
You have done it. You have scared me into voting for the Republicans. You can now declare "Mission Accomlpished". You are not going to wear a flightsuit are you?


http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 11:44 AM
The Impending Obama Thugocracy

The scariest thing you will hear from Obamunists is the glassy-eyed assertion that their messiah will "unite us." How is the guy with the most extreme left-wing record in the entire Senate going to unite us, when 99% of the public has a less radical point of view? Two words: brute force. Michael Barone offers a few examples of how this is already becoming apparent:

[Obamunists] seem determined to shut people up.

That's what Obama supporters, alerted by campaign emails, did when conservative Stanley Kurtz appeared on Milt Rosenberg's WGN radio program in Chicago. Kurtz had been researching Obama's relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers in Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers in the Richard J. Daley Library in Chicago — papers that were closed off to him for some days, apparently at the behest of Obama supporters.

Obama fans jammed WGN's phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest emails. The message was clear to anyone who would follow Rosenberg's example. We will make trouble for you if you let anyone make the case against The One.

Other Obama supporters have threatened critics with criminal prosecution. In September, St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce warned citizens that they would bring criminal libel prosecutions against anyone who made statements against Obama that were "false." I had been under the impression that the Alien and Sedition Acts had gone out of existence in 1801-02. Not so, apparently, in metropolitan St. Louis. Similarly, the Obama campaign called for a criminal investigation of the American Issues Project when it ran ads highlighting Obama's ties to Ayers.

It's gotten this bad without him even having been elected. Imagine Obama in office, backed up by a solid Democrat majority under the alarmingly irresponsible leadership of Pelosi and Reid. First will come a resurrected Fairness Doctrine, to shut off talk radio. Then they will go after the Internet, so enjoy Moonbattery while you can. After the Internet has been reduced to PBS Online, don't be surprised if they start on your mail.


Barone notes that Obama has chosen to spend his adult life in the ideological bubble of university communities. This is unlikely to foster respect for the opposition's right to express itself:

Today's liberals seem to be taking their marching orders from […] the college and university campuses where administrators, armed with speech codes, have for years been disciplining and subjecting to sensitivity training any students who dare to utter thoughts that liberals find offensive. The campuses that used to pride themselves as zones of free expression are now the least free part of our society.

William F. Buckley wisely said that he would rather be governed by the first 2,000 names in the phone book than by Harvard's faculty. We're about to find out why.


He'll unite us, all right.


http://www.moonbattery.com

HolmeZz
10-12-2008, 11:51 AM
CCW, is this your attempt to make a pre-emptive excuse for why Obama, a man you said couldn't win, won?

bango
10-12-2008, 12:24 PM
http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/

Why blame Bush when I can blame Canada?

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 12:41 PM
http://baseballcrank.com/obama-che.jpg

Mecca
10-12-2008, 12:44 PM
Question I said this in another thread.......

In Europe Obama would be considered a right side guy......here he is the most liberal ever and going to ruin the country, do you all think Europe is the embodiment of hell? Even you know they have longer life expectancies oh and less violent crime..

bango
10-12-2008, 12:59 PM
Question I said this in another thread.......

In Europe Obama would be considered a right side guy......here he is the most liberal ever and going to ruin the country, do you all think Europe is the embodiment of hell? Even you know they have longer life expectancies oh and less violent crime..

I have heard that some of the countries in Europe have tax rates that are close to or over sixty percent. I have heard that there are a good number of their citizens that can afford to do so end up moving out. Their murder rates are lower, but they have more robberies and other violent crime. I am not sure if it is better or worse over there. My guess is that it is a choice of what one would like to deal with as is always the choice of staying or leaving a place. I do have to add that look at all of the celebs over the years that have claimed if this person or that person wins they will leave the country and they stay. It can not be too bad for them. I know that some of them can be emotional. Most of them are artists of some sort.

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 12:59 PM
Question I said this in another thread.......

In Europe Obama would be considered a right side guy......here he is the most liberal ever and going to ruin the country, do you all think Europe is the embodiment of hell? Even you know they have longer life expectancies oh and less violent crime..

This is AMERICA. Fuck those European pussies. [/Red State Republicans]

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 01:00 PM
I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who thinks it's ok to deny a baby medical care after being born despite attempts to abort him/her.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who's father is Kenyan; his step-father is Indonesian, and can't supply a legal birth certificate.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who has been a career Ivy league student, socialist agitator, and launched his political career in the living room of William Ayers and Bernadine dohrn.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who attended a black militant, racist, marxist church and had his children baptised by a scumbag like Rev Wright.

I just can't figure out why this guy scares people.

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 01:01 PM
I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who thinks it's ok to deny a baby medical care after being born despite attempts to abort him/her.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who's father is Kenyan; his step-father is Indonesian, and can't supply a legal birth certificate.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who has been a career Ivy league student, socialist agitator, and launched his political career in the living room of William Ayers and Bernadine dohrn.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who attended a black militant, racist, marxist church and had his children baptised by a scumbag like Rev Wright.

I just can't figure out why this guy scares people.

I can't figure out why you think anyone cares about your bullshit.

:shrug:

Mecca
10-12-2008, 01:02 PM
I have heard that some of the countries in Europe have tax rates that are close to or over sixty percent. I have heard that there are a good number of their citizens that can afford to do so end up moving out. Their murder rates are lower, but they have more robberies and other violent crime. I am not sure if it is better or worse over there. My guess is that it is a choice of what one would like to deal with as is always the choice of staying or leaving a place. I do have to add that look at all of the celebs over the years that have claimed if this person or that person wins they will leave the country and they stay. It can not be too bad for them. I know that some of them can be emotional. Most of them are artists of some sort.

Well all of them have universal healthcare so that may explain the tax rates...see they use tax dollars for good things.

HolmeZz
10-12-2008, 01:02 PM
I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who thinks it's ok to deny a baby medical care after being born despite attempts to abort him/her.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who's father is Kenyan; his step-father is Indonesian, and can't supply a legal birth certificate.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who has been a career Ivy league student, socialist agitator, and launched his political career in the living room of William Ayers and Bernadine dohrn.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who attended a black militant, racist, marxist church and had his children baptised by a scumbag like Rev Wright.

I just can't figure out why this guy scares people.

You know how I know you're gay? You like Coldplay.

bango
10-12-2008, 01:04 PM
Well all of them have universal healthcare so that may explain the tax rates...see they use tax dollars for good things.

:clap:

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 01:05 PM
I can't figure out why I suffer from cognitive dissonance. :shrug:

People at McCain rallies are pissed off at him, not B.O.

DaneMcCloud
10-12-2008, 01:05 PM
Well all of them have universal healthcare so that may explain the tax rates...see they use tax dollars for good things.

You don't think that spending $10 Billion per month in Iraq is good use of American tax dollars?

:D

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 01:06 PM
You know how I know you're gay? You like Coldplay.


Thtop being a homophobe.

irishjayhawk
10-12-2008, 01:06 PM
SHTSPRAYER

What is "right" any more?

bango
10-12-2008, 01:07 PM
I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who thinks it's ok to deny a baby medical care after being born despite attempts to abort him/her.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who's father is Kenyan; his step-father is Indonesian, and can't supply a legal birth certificate.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who has been a career Ivy league student, socialist agitator, and launched his political career in the living room of William Ayers and Bernadine dohrn.

I don't know why anybody would be afraid of a guy who attended a black militant, racist, marxist church and had his children baptised by a scumbag like Rev Wright.

I just can't figure out why this guy scares people.

So you will not give him any credit at all? He is a very smart man. Is there any chance that he is smart enough to be above these things? Pehaps he is using these people to his advantage. Have you ever considered that? It is not like he is our current president with an average IQ and is so easily influenced by those around his that he may be doing what they say instead of thinking for himself.

MahiMike
10-12-2008, 01:28 PM
Republican playbook play #173: If you see that your party's choice has no chance left to win - Attack!

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 01:55 PM
So you will not give him any credit at all? He is a very smart man. Is there any chance that he is smart enough to be above these things? Pehaps he is using these people to his advantage. Have you ever considered that? It is not like he is our current president with an average IQ and is so easily influenced by those around his that he may be doing what they say instead of thinking for himself.


The man's entire life has been saturated with Marxism. He's a true believer.

bango
10-12-2008, 05:32 PM
The man's entire life has been saturated with Marxism. He's a true believer.

It must be very scary for you to have to live in this world. I actually feel sadness for you.

***SPRAYER
10-12-2008, 05:35 PM
It must be very scary for you to have to live in this world. I actually feel sadness for you.


You are a naive child if you think B.O. is anything but a Marxist.

bango
10-12-2008, 06:18 PM
You are a naive child if you think B.O. is anything but a Marxist.

No, I actually and like most here understand politics.