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Reaper16
10-13-2008, 01:03 AM
I thought this was an interesting read.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-politicalfootball&prov=ap&type=lgns

ASHBURN, Va. (AP)—As the presidential race revs up, political conversations in NFL locker rooms echo those in workplaces nationwide.

Taxes. Economy. McCain. Obama. War. Terrorism. White. Black.
And a choice for these high-paid athletes: principles or pocketbook?

“We’re right in the middle,” said Washington Redskins (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/was/;_ylt=AvgDsm5WaqvUqInVM7XMBXYdsLYF) veteran Philip Daniels. “We’ve all got family members that are not doing so well. Democrats would help them out, but Republicans would help us out.”

The 35-year-old defensive end sat in front of his locker not far from the nation’s capital and analytically explained how his political color has changed from blue to red and back to blue again. Everything about Daniels’ upbringing screams Democrat. He’s a black male who grew up in modest surroundings in a small Georgia town. He majored in social work in college.
Everything about his income screams Republican. He’s made millions many times over in his 13 years as a professional athlete, and the thought of paying higher taxes under a Democratic administration led him to vote for President Bush in 2000 and support the president’s re-election in 2004.

“I used to be a Republican,” Daniels said. “I wanted Bush in there. The previous years I’ve been Republican because of what we make, but this year’s a little bit different. I think this year more guys are not even thinking about the income part of it. They’re just really thinking about the economy and the country. A lot of people want change.”

If the contest between Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama has energized the U.S. public as never before, locker rooms across the country are reflecting the trend. Players whose jobs are based on wins and losses identify with the wild swings of the who’s-leading-and-by-how-much grind of the campaign.

The clear preferences from some athletes stand in contrast to former NBA superstar Michael Jordan’s unwillingness to take a stand in the 1990 North Carolina Senate race between Republican Jesse Helms and Democrat Harvey Gantt, who was bidding to become the first black southern senator since Reconstruction.

“Republicans buy sneakers, too,” Jordan famously said, though he later endorsed Bill Bradley’s presidential campaign in 2000.

“We spend an hour a day talking about this exact subject—in meetings, on the plane, in the locker room,” New Orleans Saints (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nor/;_ylt=As8gZDRhrqH4F2qJ11WbbTwdsLYF) linebacker Scott Fujita (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6029/;_ylt=AuRl4S3d.7RHFMTHMpXZua8dsLYF) said. “I think it’s just because there’s a new interest in politics this campaign season, more than there’s ever been as long as I’ve been following it.”

The historic nature of the contest, which includes the first black man to win a major party nomination and a female vice presidential candidate, makes the topic more compelling.

“As a black male, am I excited about Obama being a candidate?” Miami Dolphins (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/mia/) defensive tackle Vonnie Holliday (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4282/;_ylt=AnN50zoagy4sr9T3gCMmFL4dsLYF) said. “Where I can tell my son, who is 3 years old, ‘Believe it, you can be president one day’? Yes.”
Holliday emphasized, however, that he is voting Democratic because he wants “fresh energy and a change.” In interviews, players overwhelmingly said their votes in November would not—and should not—be based on race alone.

“That’s the thing that a lot of African-Americans fall into: ‘Just because he’s black, I’m going to vote for him,”’ said Redskins defensive end Demetric Evans (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5710/), an undecided voter who is black. “You need to know why you vote for him. You need to know what he stands for.

The discussions and mini-debates, however, always seem to come back to money. Days after Daniels expressed his feelings inside the Redskins locker room, teammate Ethan Albright (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3334/;_ylt=AhOmXoY7OmsrackQ1CKb6dwdsLYF) held up a stamped envelope containing his absentee ballot, ready to be mailed to his home state of North Carolina. As he put the envelope in his locker, cornerback Shawn Springs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3952/;_ylt=AnwidsrIuasrIsP3qUaxohgdsLYF) called out:

“Why you like McCain?”

“I like him,” Albright replied with a nod, “because he ain’t raising taxes.”

That’s a sentiment reiterated by New York Giants (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nyg/;_ylt=Ag3aITGmfT4yvAByY0nqbxQdsLYF) punter Jeff Feagles (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/323/;_ylt=AhjG2ez6kLA4Hj.kAtL1U6gdsLYF), also a McCain supporter.

“He is going to tax the wealthy, which is what we are,” said Feagles, referring to Obama. “We are in that category. You look at those kinds of implications, and I hate using that word, it will affect us.”
Feagles’ teammate, defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7781/;_ylt=ApVEVBmb8Z3nUy7fyEO4aFsdsLYF), couldn’t disagree more.

“It’s insulting to think you would vote based on how it affects you financially,” Kiwanuka said. “I had that conversation even before I got my signing bonus. It’s a matter of general policy and what you believe in and what that person stands for. … When you look at it, I spent the majority of my life with an average upbringing to say the least, and that has shaped how I vote a lot more than the last couple of years living this lifestyle.”

Torn between the two arguments is Redskins cornerback Fred Smoot (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5492/;_ylt=ApDFgN2btdL68kG0UHleNVsdsLYF). He was one of the few Washington players to publicly support Sen. John Kerry four years ago, but this time he has yet to make up his mind.

“We’re coming from Democratic backgrounds, but we got Republican money right now,” Smoot said. “That’s kind of hard, because you see it from both sides.”

The spike in interest isn’t limited to the NFL. NBA superstar LeBron James attended an Obama rally last weekend in Cleveland, while Boston Red Sox (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/bos/;_ylt=AlSU98btSeBGVnlnpX0XitcdsLYF) pitcher Curt Schilling appeared with McCain at a NASCAR race in New Hampshire last month.
NASCAR team owner Joe Gibbs addressed this year’s Republican National Convention, and Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/dal/;_ylt=AklQ3u1gJt54iZxvISNYJzwdsLYF) owner Mark Cuban has dished out unsolicited advice to both candidates on his popular blog.

Politics can be a touchy subject for athletes. Some find the topic too polarizing to discuss for public consumption. Others have never voted and simply have no interest.

“I was one of those people who was registered, tried to do the absentee ballot thing in ‘04, and didn’t get it done,” Redskins cornerback Leigh Torrence (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7503/) said. “This year I’ll make sure that’s not the case.”

Torrence is making up for lost ground in other ways. He and teammate Lorenzo Alexander (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7569/) attended a voter registration drive last month in Richmond, Va., and he’s been trying to get as many of his teammates registered as possible. Fujita has made a similar push with the Saints, encouraging teammates to register to vote in Louisiana.

Not everyone feels politics belongs in the locker room. On Wednesday, before Cleveland Browns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/cle/;_ylt=Amsxuws3SFZ2Z2hgnEN4Z5sdsLYF) quarterback Brady Quinn (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8276/;_ylt=Ar5V8oN9kalHPuwamCPi5qIdsLYF) introduced McCain at a rally in Strongsville, Ohio, Browns coach Romeo Crennel told his players in a teamwide address that he didn’t want to hear political debates on the job.

“Their politics are their politics as long as they don’t interfere with the team,” Crennel said. “That’s my main concern, that they don’t get on a soapbox here in the locker room and get it going back and forth about a particular candidate against another candidate. That’s why the ballot is a secret ballot when you go vote.

“(Quinn) took the time to do that, but as long as he keeps it outside the building and outside the team, that’s his choice.”

Four years ago, it was not uncommon to find Bush-leaning athletes unwilling to speak openly about their preference because they didn’t want to be perceived as voting against their ideals just to get a better tax rate. Some who went public for Kerry were chided by teammates because Kerry, like Obama this year, proposed raising taxes on the wealthy.

This year, the dynamic appears to have shifted. Several players said the locker-room banter suggests many of their teammates are mirroring Daniels’ example and switching from Republican to Democrat. If the Redskins were a state, there was little question that Bush would have won its electoral votes in 2004. Asked what would happen this year, Smoot said: “It’s a blue state.”

“There might be some years where honestly you’re like, ‘Hey, what might be best for me fiscally,’ and you may feel like a Republican slant may be a little more appropriate,” New York Giants defensive tackle Barry Cofield (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7873/;_ylt=AheiWbmXulugwg2M4NsW0CsdsLYF) said. “But I think after Bush’s reign of terror, you know, and what we are seeing out of Sarah Palin, I think regardless of your financial station, I think it is pretty easy to support Obama.”

That’s not to say McCain doesn’t have a solid core of supporters. After putting his absentee ballot in the locker, Albright emphasized that his preference for the Republican had as much to do with experience as taxes.

“McCain’s been in office his whole life,” Albright said. “I like somebody who’s experienced. He’s not going to make a quick, rash decision. If I’m having heart surgery, I want somebody who’s done it before.”

Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/kan/;_ylt=Ak4a5nSuHPrSy6u9AOYmtbQdsLYF) center Rudy Niswanger (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8036/;_ylt=AkoxO6JbiM7BpwjBQYHqUqMdsLYF) called himself “a McCain man, for all the obvious reasons.”
“I appreciate the sacrifice and courage he’s shown,” Niswanger said, “and I think experience is very important in that job.”
The dilemma gives some a reason to opt out of the process entirely.

“I don’t think I’m going to vote,” said Washington running back Clinton Portis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5937/), the Redskins star known for his colorful opinions. “Because I make Republican income, but I need the Democrats in office, so which way do I go?”

That’s one electoral decision that doesn’t sit well with Torrence, who has worked so hard to get his teammates involved in the process.

“Regardless of what your beliefs are,” Torrence said, “I think it’s your responsibility to vote.”

AP Sports Writers Tom Canavan in East Rutherford, N.J.; Doug Tucker in Kansas City, Mo.; Steven Wine in Davie, Fla.; Brett Martel in Metairie, La.; and Tom Withers in Berea, Ohio, contributed to this report.

HolmeZz
10-13-2008, 01:11 AM
Portis is such an r-tard.

Mecca
10-13-2008, 01:15 AM
Rudy Niswanger is a white guy from the south.....I'm shocked he's a Republican I tell ya.

kcpasco
10-13-2008, 01:15 AM
Portis is such an r-tard.

He has the an IQ of a box of rocks



But he sure can run

Ultra Peanut
10-13-2008, 02:12 AM
“He is going to tax the wealthy, which is what we are,” said Feagles, referring to Obama. “We are in that category. You look at those kinds of implications, and I hate using that word, it will affect us.”Fuck y'all, I gots mine.

Somebody rough that punter, please.

Jenson71
10-13-2008, 02:16 AM
Let's see. My friends back home are fighting through the poverty, rough education, and low economic prospects like many other poor blacks I grew up around. On the other hand, I want another Porshe. It's a hard decision.

patteeu
10-13-2008, 08:16 AM
It's highly disappointing to see people base their vote on which candidate will be best for them as an individual instead of which candidate will be best for the country. It's almost as bad when an NFL player does it as it is when the legions of poor and working class do it except that the NFL players aren't ruining the country in the process.

Goapics1
10-13-2008, 08:57 AM
Let's see. My friends back home are fighting through the poverty, rough education, and low economic prospects like many other poor blacks I grew up around. On the other hand, I want another Porshe. It's a hard decision.

ROFL

Mr. Kotter
10-13-2008, 09:06 AM
Is anyone really surprised that many NFL players are shallow, self-centered, and complacent? I mean, in fairness....that describes over 50% of the public, but no one should be shocked by the lack of substantive thought and consideration by many NFL players.

patteeu
10-13-2008, 09:28 AM
Is anyone really surprised that many NFL players are shallow, self-centered, and complacent? I mean, in fairness....that describes over 50% of the public, but no one should be shocked by the lack of substantive thought and consideration by many NFL players.

I'm a little surprised that so many of them understand that Obama is a threat to their pocketbook.

Mr. Kotter
10-13-2008, 10:00 AM
I'm a little surprised that so many of them understand that Obama is a threat to their pocketbook.

That, taxes and pocketbook issues, is the one thing everyone understands it seems---even shallow, self-centered, and complacent people (football players or otherwise.)

RJ
10-13-2008, 10:42 AM
I'm a little surprised that so many of them understand that Obama is a threat to their pocketbook.



Only the NFL players earning over $250K per year will see their taxes raised.

What's the minimum salary again?

StcChief
10-13-2008, 10:49 AM
I'm a little surprised that so many of them understand that Obama is a threat to their pocketbook.
I'm surprised most can think about this. Their accountants probably told them. Now if they took this as deferred until later in their career. And lived a little cheaper.... hmmm they get to keep that money.

Ultra Peanut
10-13-2008, 11:48 AM
I'm surprised most can think about this. Their accountants probably told them. Now if they took this as deferred until later in their career. And lived a little cheaper.... hmmm they get to keep that money.Seriously, dude. You're an incredible racist.

patteeu
10-13-2008, 12:41 PM
Seriously, dude. You're an incredible racist.

He didn't say anything about race. Could it be your own stereotypes speaking to you?

StcChief
10-13-2008, 01:09 PM
Seriously, dude. You're an incredible racist.Right. I'll go with first part Incredible... UP.

This is up and down the line on ALL athletes in general. A few have legit degrees and seem to be good at what they do... manage their future... others not so much. Handing out multi-$M signings and salary to a 22 yo seems kinda dumb for all involved.

The deferred salary approach/ pay for performance contract should be blanketed here.

Ultra Peanut
10-13-2008, 02:48 PM
He didn't say anything about race.Yeah, he's NEVER said anything about race.