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ROYC75
10-14-2008, 03:20 PM
I like her,but I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times. Show me a politician that isn't corrupt and I will show you one that will be.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081014/ap_on_el_pr/palin_state_ethics;_ylt=Aryk9ObyE3diTii35NgJKiXCw5R4

Palin has checkered history on ethics issues

By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE and JUSTIN PRITCHARD, Associated Press Writers 58 minutes ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, whose reformer image took a hit in a report concluding she abused her powers to settle a family score, has skirted state ethics rules before for personal benefit and used her office to help friends and supporters, according to an Associated Press review of records.
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Palin's first try at statewide office, after six years as mayor of Wasilla, was an unsuccessful run for lieutenant governor in 2002. To raise money, she improperly used her City Hall office and equipment, city records show. A year later she would make headlines by blasting a fellow Republican for, among other things, improperly using his government position to boost his campaign.

Then, in 2006, Palin won the governor's race with a vow to reform state ethics. But in less than two years, she has repeatedly taken actions that violated her own stated standards for ethical behavior if not state law. In the process, the Republican vice presidential nominee has become much like the old-school politicians she attacked during her rise to power.

Some examples:

_She pummeled opponents for giving oil companies and other businesses too much control of state government. Yet she appointed the founder of an engineering firm that received $6.8 million in state business as head of the transportation department.

_She has accepted dozens of gifts worth tens of thousands of dollars since taking office, including two free trips last year that she failed to report on disclosure forms, despite criticizing state legislators for the gifts they take.

_She is under another investigation, accused of misusing her office to campaign against a voter referendum calling for tighter mining regulations. Her husband, Todd, has accepted free trips from a mining company to look at their proposed new site.

_Another ethics complaint, unresolved, accuses her staff of finding a state job for a friend and campaign contributor.

Last week, an investigation by the Alaska legislature found that Palin, running mate to Republican presidential candidate John McCain, abused her powers when she and her husband improperly pressured the state public safety commissioner to fire her sister's ex-husband, a state trooper. The brother-in-law was never fired, but Palin fired the commissioner in July.

"It's all about the power, and it frightens me," said state Rep. Beth Kerttula, a Juneau Democrat who like many in the minority party have supported Palin on some issues, including energy policy. "She doesn't seem to know where the boundaries are."

Even critics concede that Palin deserves credit for working with legislators to toughen state ethics laws and for providing more information to taxpayers about state spending. She advocated restrictions on lobbyists' giving, increased disclosure requirements for public officials and posted state spending details on the Internet.

Palin also risked her own political future by exposing unethical behavior by other public officials, even those in her own party.

But they say she often claims the ethical high ground when she hasn't been above questionable behavior herself.

"She's very good at reading the public's discontent and pandering to it," said Larry Persily, who worked in the governor's Washington, D.C., office until resigning earlier this year.

Palin faced questions during her 2006 gubernatorial race about her use of the Wasilla mayor's office four years earlier to run for lieutenant governor. Palin used city staff and office equipment including a fax machine, computers for e-mail and a City Hall phone number to run her campaign, according to city records.

She apologized for those transgressions in 2006, but only this month acknowledged to the AP that the city initially paid for a campaign flight in that 2002 race and that weeks later she reimbursed the city.

"According to people who worked with her at the time, the travel agency inadvertently billed the city rather than her personally," McCain campaign spokesman Taylor Griffin said in a written statement. "To ensure that it was corrected immediately, she reimbursed Wasilla and the campaign later reimbursed her. It's an example of Gov. Palin's commitment to the highest standards of ethics."

Palin brushed the issue aside when she ran for governor, arguing it was nothing more than an opponent's smear campaign.

She has cast herself as Alaska's ethics watchdog. In her most dramatic move, she revealed in 2003 that the state's Republican Party leader was campaigning from his state job. She then challenged incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski two years ago on a platform of government reform.

After her victory, though, Palin reverted to political tradition, rewarding even marginally qualified friends and campaign backers with high-level positions.

A friend from her Wasilla High School class was named to manage the state's agriculture office after a career in real estate. A family friend and campaign worker became head of the state agency that distributes dividend checks to Alaskans from oil revenue. Her real estate agent's husband received an appointment to the state real estate board.

Palin's biggest political splash was from attacking the big oil companies that she said ran the state. She challenged their political power, and promised voters that her administration would avoid cozy relationships with business.

But one of her first cabinet appointments didn't live up to that pledge.

Leo von Scheben, a co-founder of Anchorage-based USKH Inc. engineering firm, took over the state's Department of Transportation and Public Facilities, and his firm's state business increased, records show. USKH received $6.8 million in state transportation contracts last year, up 13 percent from $6 million the year before.

Von Scheben stopped taking a salary and all benefits from the company when he stepped into the state job. But he didn't sever all financial ties. Von Scheben receives annual stock payments that he arranged before he left the company in 2007 that will continue for 10 years, according to his financial disclosure forms.

Von Scheben said he has recused himself on projects pursued by the firm and that others in the agency select companies to receive state business. He said he believes his appointment may have cost his former company state business, although he doesn't regret taking the job.

"If the state can't draw on some private sector people, they're missing out," he said.

Palin claims passage of broad ethics reforms as an accomplishment following state corruption scandals. But Palin didn't report as gifts two free trips she received in 2007 as legislators were debating the new ethics law.

"This is simply a rare oversight, nothing more," campaign spokesman Griffin said when asked about the omissions by the AP.

Palin has, in fact, reported most of her gifts on her annual financial disclosure forms, something her predecessor never did, according to Alaska Public Offices Commission records.

The unreported paid trips:

_The $2,988 cost of Palin's April 2007 flight and hotel in Scottsdale, Ariz., for a four-day conference was paid by the James B. Hunt Jr. Institute of North Carolina, a nonprofit education policy group. Palin received the same free trip as dozens of other governors invited over the years to attend the annual summit, institute spokesman April White said.

_A May 2007 overnight visit with her three daughters and her parents attending a family reception at Mt. Chilkoot Lodge in Skagway, Alaska, was paid for by friend and former deputy campaign treasurer Kathy Hosford, one of the lodge's owners.

"We weren't open and it was just on a friendship basis," Hosford said.

The Palins used two suites valued at $150 each, said Sharon Leighow, a spokeswoman in the governor's office.

The same day Palin visited Skagway, executives of the Anchorage-based VECO Inc. pleaded guilty to offering bribes to five legislators. Palin, mingling with old family friends and town residents, spoke briefly with local reporters during her visit, calling the corruption developments "atrocious" and promising change.

"There are problems in state government," Palin told The Skagway News, "and on our watch it is our responsibility to show people that we are going to clean things up."

Persily, who said he left Palin's administration because he didn't enjoy working in Washington, said Palin is skillful in "attacking the 'good ol' boys.' The good ol' boys that Palin is talking about are those that can't help her politically."

Democratic state Rep. Mike Doogan said Palin, even as she bends or breaks the rules herself, acts as if she invented ethics in Alaska.

"It's insulting to those of us who have always done the right thing," he said.

J Diddy
10-14-2008, 03:28 PM
just falling in line roy because you know your guy ain't gonna win, huh?

|Zach|
10-14-2008, 03:30 PM
just falling in line roy because you know your guy ain't gonna win, huh?

His apologist disclaimer is a nice touch.

DaneMcCloud
10-14-2008, 03:37 PM
So, Palin isn't corrupt because every one else is corrupt?

I guess this explains your overall approach to everything, Roy.

The mods need to change YOUR name to Illogical.

jidar
10-14-2008, 03:47 PM
To be fair, I'm a huge critic of Palin but I think most of this is pretty tame as far as political corruption goes. Staying at your friends place for free? You can easily take her at face value on not recording the trip as well since she recorded everything else.

That said there is reason to be concerned there as it does look like she's already on the typical political path.

Truthfully, I find the troopergate and the wasilla library incidents as far more troubling.

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 03:48 PM
So, Palin isn't corrupt because every one else is corrupt?

I guess this explains your overall approach to everything, Roy.

The mods need to change YOUR name to Illogical.

ROFL I said, even thou I like her, her goody 2 shoes image is not so good, she is just like any other politician, including Obama.

whoman69
10-14-2008, 05:09 PM
No mention of the request for travel per diem for days in which she was home...

Mr. Laz
10-14-2008, 05:16 PM
hey ..... gotta give Roy credit for posting it.

Howlin Wolf
10-14-2008, 05:16 PM
burn the witch!

VAChief
10-14-2008, 05:23 PM
She's a dirty girl, what's wrong with that?

WilliamTheIrish
10-14-2008, 05:28 PM
It's a smeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaar!!!

banyon
10-14-2008, 05:30 PM
I like her,but I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times. Show me a politician that isn't corrupt and I will show you one that will be.


I did a keyword search and you haven't said this even one time here.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?searchid=229551

Guru
10-14-2008, 05:36 PM
I did a keyword search and you haven't said this even one time here.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?searchid=229551
Certainly sounds like something I would say though.

I'll sue!!!!!!:evil:

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 08:05 PM
I did a keyword search and you haven't said this even one time here.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?searchid=229551

I have too, not only on here , but everywhere.

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 08:09 PM
ROFL I said, even thou I like her, her goody 2 shoes image is not so good, she is just like any other politician, including Obama.

Yes, your Mr. Middleman routine. Do you and Kotter practice each week?

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 08:15 PM
Yes, your Mr. Middleman routine. Do you and Kotter practice each week?

Oh but yes, nice to see that you still can't handle the truth, you must question everything.

I bet when you take a shit, you question yourself if you should use your hand or toilet paper. Must really suck to be you .

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 08:16 PM
Oh but yes, nice to see that you still can't handle the truth, you must question everything.

I bet when you take a shit, you question yourself if you should use your hand or toilet paper. Must really suck to be you .

I question things that need questioning.

Can you clue me in on what truth you are referring to?

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 08:24 PM
I did a keyword search and you haven't said this even one time here.


http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?searchid=229551


Sweet ......... Post 57 . Please do look it up.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5096653&highlight=show+politician#post5096653

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 08:26 PM
Sweet ......... Post 57 . Please do look it up.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=5096653&highlight=show+politician#post5096653

He still was not wrong. Crook doesn't equal corrupt in a word search.

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 08:27 PM
I question things that need questioning.

Can you clue me in on what truth you are referring to?

Your comments, post 15, questioning me, again. It never ends with you.

So which one is it, your hand or toilet paper ?:doh!:

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 08:29 PM
Your comments, post 15, questioning me, again. It never ends with you.

So which one is it, your hand or toilet paper ?:doh!:

Roy, do you know what a rhetorical question is?

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 08:41 PM
Roy, do you know what a rhetorical question is?

Why do I need to answer this ? You aren't .

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 08:43 PM
Why do I need to answer this ? You aren't .

:spock:

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 08:45 PM
:spock:

:spock:

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 08:47 PM
:spock:

So you can't or won't answer that question?

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 08:48 PM
So you can't or won't answer that question?

You didn't answer mine ... why should I answer yours after you refused to answer mine.

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 08:49 PM
You didn't answer mine ... why should I answer yours after you refused to answer mine.

Your question is a non-sequitur.

Mine, on the other hand, is a question of your intelligence.

OnTheWarpath58
10-14-2008, 08:50 PM
Roy, do you know what a rhetorical question is?

Why do I need to answer this ? You aren't .

ROFL

That's fucking hilarious.

ROFL

ROYC75
10-14-2008, 08:51 PM
Your question is a non-sequitur.

Mine, on the other hand, is a question of your intelligence.

I know the answer, but I refuse to answer till you do. You play this game all the time, you refuse my questions but expect me to answer yours.

I'll wait ......

irishjayhawk
10-14-2008, 08:54 PM
I know the answer, but I refuse to answer till you do. You play this game all the time, you refuse my questions but expect me to answer yours.

I'll wait ......

Please, name another question I've refused to answer besides this one.

Oh, and it has to be one that doesn't have a question I asked you unanswered. I seem to recall you not answering the qualifications or experiences - SPECIFICS - the President should have before entering office.

ROYC75
10-15-2008, 11:12 AM
Please, name another question I've refused to answer besides this one.

Oh, and it has to be one that doesn't have a question I asked you unanswered. I seem to recall you not answering the qualifications or experiences - SPECIFICS - the President should have before entering office.


Several and I have already been asked this question by you before. I'm not playing your childish school games anymore. You don't answer mine, I'm not answering yours.

Just like your childish rant a few weeks ago, it got you nothing but a few liberals patting you on the back, the majority of the post were bashing you for acting childish.

Don't you have a class to attend, you need to advance your education.

Pitt Gorilla
10-15-2008, 11:15 AM
I'm not playing your childish school games anymore. You don't answer mine, I'm not answering yours.That is the most awesome thing ever posted on the intrawebs.